Just turned one silver into ten at the casino

[Arcturus]

I've been through all the complicated strategies, and none of them really worked. So, I just relied on the following very simple strategy: Bet on two of the three dozens. Bet an equal amount on each one. Bet on what is likely to win, which is determined by looking at the past wins. If you're not so sure what will win, bet a low amount. If high and middle have come up the past seven times, bet heavily on the lows and either high or middle, just as a backup.

Now, at the end of the night, I lost everything I had on me, but I had ten silver safely stowed away in the bank, where I previously had none. Good guideline: Once you reach a certain amount of money (be reasonable), deposit half of it in the bank, and don't even think about touching it until you need it for a prize.



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[Ffuzzy-Logik]

This is really all common sense.


Also: In before Mikaga makes some obvious statement about how roulette odds are always against you.

[Arcturus]

On 2007-11-28 20:31, Ffuzzy-Logik wrote:
This is really all common sense.


Also: In before Mikaga makes some obvious statement about how roulette odds are always against you.


I see lots of people betting only on the colors. Not much common sense there.

[Ffuzzy-Logik]

Well, betting on the colors does work if you get lucky.

At least it's better than the imbeciles who bet one bronze on each individual space. How is that even remotely advantageous?

[DEM_CIG]

yawn congratz on the ten siliver i guess.... thnks for telling us ur secert, but its not that big of a one lol, good luck on making more coins...

[Arcturus]

On 2007-11-28 20:34, Ffuzzy-Logik wrote:
Well, betting on the colors does work if you get lucky.

At least it's better than the imbeciles who bet one bronze on each individual space. How is that even remotely advantageous?



Haha, I keep wondering the same thing. Maybe they make some connection between color and... no, never mind.

[Shou]

I made 26 silver out of 1 silver in 2 hours. then lost it all. Its all luck. You just have to know when to pull out. If you put it in storage, telling yourself that you will bet it tomorrow, that is the saame thing as keeping on betting. You should bet until you have enough to get the item you want. No big. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[Carlo210]

I'm envious of jackpot winners.

[Maxson]

Aren't we all? Who doesn't like winning free money?

[Carlo210]

By betting evenly on two of the 1/3 spots, you have a WAY better chance at oubling up than by betting on a color. It's common sense.
If you win one of the thirds, you get x3 what you bet, meaning you make up for the lost third plus make a profit of whatever you bet.

[Maxson]

The problem is, you have to make up your losses. So if you're betting on two of the thirds, your current bet has to be at least double your total losses (that way, the 3x win covers your loss AND the cost of your current bet).

This turns your following bets into something like 1, 4, 12, 36, 108, 324, 962... in order to break even. With a slightly less than 2/3 chance each time, you hopefully won't lose that many times.



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[Telina]

i have a system similar to this, in one night i turned 4 silver into 43, then turned 43 into 0 lol it helps to incorporate a double up system to your bets too

[Carlo210]

Betting on a third and then betting less on a color is pretty good too, but not as good as bettng on 2 thirds equally.

[HFlowen]

You gotta weigh how safe you wanna be to how fast you wanna make money. (Duh.)

Either way, it'll land on zero. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

[bahk]

Maybe I'm just looking at this the wrong way, but how is this "common sense?"
Betting equally on 2 of the 1/3's would mean that for every 1 time you lose, you'd have to win twice to break even. And with a 1/3 chance of losing, mathematically that says you'll strike even. Obviously gambling can't simply be decided with math, but if the law of averages holds any ground here you'd be near even. The chances of you gaining money is equal to the chances of you losing money.

Am I incorrect?

[Maxson]

You're correct, of course... but gambling is about minimizing reliance on luck while still admitting that luck is necessary. These systems are designed to make gambling more than "I think I'll bet it all on this, oops, now I'm broke", which isn't fun at all.

Luck just needs a helping hand sometimes, you know?

[Arcturus]

On 2007-11-28 20:47, Shou wrote:
I made 26 silver out of 1 silver in 2 hours. then lost it all. Its all luck. You just have to know when to pull out. If you put it in storage, telling yourself that you will bet it tomorrow, that is the saame thing as keeping on betting. You should bet until you have enough to get the item you want. No big. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif


No, what I meant was that now that ten silver is in the bank, it's not coming out until I use it on a prize. If I lose the one silver I get tomorrow, I quit for the day.

bahk, that is true, but also remember that I have something like a 64% chance of winning, plus an educated guess as to what the next win will be. It worked for me... just have to use common sense (and yes, I know that's been said already, lol).

[Carlo210]

I'm on a winning streak. The only way I'll lose if a number between 1-12 is chosen, which is 1/3 likely. So I like my odds. I figure the nubmers I usually see are high teens and the twenties.

[HFlowen]

Of course, all the 2/3 logic applies exactly the same to 1/2 logic. There are no "efficient" ways to win roulette, if there was, casinos wouldn't have it.

In the end: Luck.

[Kion]

On 2007-11-28 20:29, Arcturus wrote:
I've been through all the complicated strategies, and none of them really worked. So, I just relied on the following very simple strategy: Bet on two of the three dozens. Bet an equal amount on each one. Bet on what is likely to win, which is determined by looking at the past wins. If you're not so sure what will win, bet a low amount. If high and middle have come up the past seven times, bet heavily on the lows and either high or middle, just as a backup.

Now, at the end of the night, I lost everything I had on me, but I had ten silver safely stowed away in the bank, where I previously had none. Good guideline: Once you reach a certain amount of money (be reasonable), deposit half of it in the bank, and don't even think about touching it until you need it for a prize.



I did that the other night and made 25 silver with a massive winning streak. I just didn't know when to quit and lost it all after gaining too much confidence in the system. T_T

[Wallin]

On 2007-11-28 21:29, bahk wrote:
Maybe I'm just looking at this the wrong way, but how is this "common sense?"
Betting equally on 2 of the 1/3's would mean that for every 1 time you lose, you'd have to win twice to break even. And with a 1/3 chance of losing, mathematically that says you'll strike even. Obviously gambling can't simply be decided with math, but if the law of averages holds any ground here you'd be near even. The chances of you gaining money is equal to the chances of you losing money.

Am I incorrect?



I agree with this more than the OP.

I've tried the 2/3 method before, and what happened - I hit a streak where every other, if not every single one, landed in the areas I didn't bet on. And this is not cheap, if you bet 25 bronze in one spot, you have to bet 25 bronze in another, only so you can make 25 more. That's half a silver in one spin of the wheel that you can lose, and if it happens four times, you're already down 2 silver, and yet all you aimed to win was 25 bronze - so now you have to win 8 times in a row just to make up for your loses. How the heck are you supposed to find odds like that when you just lost 4 times? Luck.


On 2007-11-28 20:29, Arcturus wrote:
Bet on what is likely to win, which is determined by looking at the past wins. If you're not so sure what will win, bet a low amount. If high and middle have come up the past seven times, bet heavily on the lows and either high or middle, just as a backup.

I'm really glad this strategy worked for you, but seriously, this fails as hard as the people who assume that because you have a streak of red or black that you're guaranteed a win betting on the opposite. It's totally random - I've seen plenty of times now where it's even landing not just in the same area as the last spin, but on the exact same number.

[Arcturus]

Well, my strategy combined with a healthy dose of discipline (aka putting money in the bank regularly, and not touching it) is working pretty well for me at least. Yes, it is true that if you lose, you lose a lot of money, but you forget that you have that ~63% chance of winning, plus the ability to successfully guess where will win most of the time. Like I said, if low hasn't won for six spins, bet on low and something else. It almost always works, and I'll take those odds over just assuming the wheel is completely random.

Ever done the experiment where you flip a coin multiple times and record how many times each side lands face up?

[Carlo210]

The reason why betting on 2/3s isnt because it's invincible or has better odds at overall success - that's impossible, duh. It's just the quickest and safest payoff.

[bahk]

On 2007-11-28 21:51, Arcturus wrote:

Ever done the experiment where you flip a coin multiple times and record how many times each side lands face up?



Most people wouldn't pay attention and would just flip it the same way each time. Unless you flip the coin 10 feet in the air and kick it across the room before landing, it's fairly easy to keep the same result coming on accident.

[Carlo210]

What I find to be the safest, most enduring playstyle is betting, for example, 10 bronze on 1/3rd and then playing 5 bronze on a color. If you lose the 1/3rd, you have a good chance of making 'something', so it's harder to run dry this way.

[Arcturus]

On 2007-11-28 21:54, Carlo210 wrote:
The reason why betting on 2/3s isnt because it's invincible or has better odds at overall success - that's impossible, duh. It's just the quickest and safest payoff.


Exactly. And, like I've said already, it's fairly easy to predict what will come up in the next couple of spins, unlike the colors or individual numbers.



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[bahk]

On 2007-11-28 21:54, Carlo210 wrote:
It's just the quickest and safest payoff.



I'm not going against it being 100% safe. What I'm trying to say is that it's no safer than any other way of betting. It still ends up averaging to you winning the same amount you put in, just like any other possible bet you can make.

Unless you only bet once. Then it's in your favor. But I'm guessing you didn't just bet once.

[Carlo210]

Bahk, of course it is the same average total winnings, but you have the best chance at doubling up a large bet. That's what the 2/3 play is for.

[Arcturus]

On 2007-11-28 21:58, bahk wrote:

On 2007-11-28 21:54, Carlo210 wrote:
It's just the quickest and safest payoff.



I'm not going against it being 100% safe. What I'm trying to say is that it's no safer than any other way of betting. It still ends up averaging to you winning the same amount you put in, just like any other possible bet you can make.

Unless you only bet once. Then it's in your favor. But I'm guessing you didn't just bet once.



It is safer, though. You stand to lose more, but the odds are comparatively much more largely in your favor.

Betting on a color: ~49% chance to double bet
Betting on a number: ~3% chance to 36x bet
Betting on a third: ~32% chance to triple bet
Betting on two thirds: ~64% chance to 1.5x bet

Betting in larger sums (like 2 or 3 silver on two thirds) equals some pretty large wins.

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[HFlowen]

EDIT: Forum lag is tricky.

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[Carlo210]

Arcturus, you actuall have a ~64% chance to DOUBLE your bet when betting on two thirds, not 1.5x.

[Arcturus]

On 2007-11-28 22:04, HFlowen wrote:
EDIT: Forum lag is tricky.

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Edit: Yeah, it is.

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[Arcturus]

On 2007-11-28 22:12, Carlo210 wrote:
Arcturus, you actuall have a ~64% chance to DOUBLE your bet when betting on two thirds, not 1.5x.


Example: You bet 1 silver each on 2 thirds. You win, gaining 3 silver. Bet was 2 silver, win was 3. 2 times 1.5 = 3.

[HFlowen]

Nah, it's 150%

If i bet 10 on two thirds, I get 30 back, but spend 20. Like I said, all the ways to bet are proportionate to how much you make, there are no tricks, just luck.

[Arcturus]

On 2007-11-28 21:43, Kion wrote:

On 2007-11-28 20:29, Arcturus wrote:
I've been through all the complicated strategies, and none of them really worked. So, I just relied on the following very simple strategy: Bet on two of the three dozens. Bet an equal amount on each one. Bet on what is likely to win, which is determined by looking at the past wins. If you're not so sure what will win, bet a low amount. If high and middle have come up the past seven times, bet heavily on the lows and either high or middle, just as a backup.

Now, at the end of the night, I lost everything I had on me, but I had ten silver safely stowed away in the bank, where I previously had none. Good guideline: Once you reach a certain amount of money (be reasonable), deposit half of it in the bank, and don't even think about touching it until you need it for a prize.



I did that the other night and made 25 silver with a massive winning streak. I just didn't know when to quit and lost it all after gaining too much confidence in the system. T_T



Which is why I emphasized putting money in the bank after you win on a regular basis. For me, every time I got to ten silver, I put five in the bank.

What I'm going to start doing is not betting on the turns where it looks iffy. Once the record shows a trend of wins or losses for a particular third (which is pretty often), then I'll bet. I lost money on the times when I wasn't sure.

[Carlo210]

Perhaps, but I'm looking at it a different way.
You lose the one silver that was on one of the thirds that lost. Your victorious 1 silver on the winning 1/3rd turned into one silver of profit, meaning you're making 2x on one of the thirds total.

3 silver payout - 1 silver lost = 2 silver won
2 silver won - 1 silver bet = 1 silver profit

But we're both right. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[Arcturus]

After reviewing everyone's posts, I have come to the following conclusion: The roulette wheel (and gambling in general) is an evil device that steals your hopes and dreams.

[HFlowen]

On 2007-11-28 22:20, Arcturus wrote:
After reviewing everyone's posts, I have come to the following conclusion: The roulette wheel (and gambling in general) is an evil device that steals your hopes and dreams.

Bingo.

[Maxson]

On 2007-11-28 22:21, HFlowen wrote:

On 2007-11-28 22:20, Arcturus wrote:
After reviewing everyone's posts, I have come to the following conclusion: The roulette wheel (and gambling in general) is an evil device that steals your hopes and dreams.

Bingo.


That one only works on old people.

[Syanaide]

Remind me why we're all trying to win big at the casino? Kings chair? A crappy Chainsawd/C?

Play, enjoy, win, lose. This isn't real money, and most of the prizes really aren't worth dividing by zero for.

[HFlowen]

I play for fun and hope to get a Photon Gacha soon. What better way to take all the hate from the gambling system then to have my very own to screw other players with!?

YES!

[Carlo210]

I'm aiming for a gacha too. LOL

[bahk]

On 2007-11-28 22:23, Syanaide wrote:
Remind me why we're all trying to win big at the casino? Kings chair? A crappy Chainsawd/C?

Play, enjoy, win, lose. This isn't real money, and most of the prizes really aren't worth dividing by zero for.



For the awesomely terrible SUV, of course.

[Carlo210]

All I want is ST to remove the annoying '____ has started a fever on machine 4!" message that blocks the view of the turn history.

[Arcturus]

On 2007-11-28 22:25, bahk wrote:

On 2007-11-28 22:23, Syanaide wrote:
Remind me why we're all trying to win big at the casino? Kings chair? A crappy Chainsawd/C?

Play, enjoy, win, lose. This isn't real money, and most of the prizes really aren't worth dividing by zero for.



For the awesomely terrible SUV, of course.


Yeah, that's what I want. I wanna go in a room, and be like, "HAY GUYS LOOK AT MAH NEW SUV" then fire it off, only to have a little Cosmo Fountain go off.

[Carlo210]

Oh, I just bet 1 on a random number every turn and someday get a nice surprise 36 bronze. LOL. It's painless.

[Arcturus]

On 2007-11-28 22:29, Carlo210 wrote:
Oh, I just bet 1 on a random number every turn and someday get a nice surprise 36 bronze. LOL. It's painless.


But you're never going to get anywhere with that strategy. Let me tell you about a strategy that has worked for me...

._.

[Carlo210]

http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif I'm just kidding around, but I do sometimes bet on one random number. Makes things exciting(-er?)

[bahk]

On 2007-11-28 22:28, Arcturus wrote:

On 2007-11-28 22:25, bahk wrote:

On 2007-11-28 22:23, Syanaide wrote:
Remind me why we're all trying to win big at the casino? Kings chair? A crappy Chainsawd/C?

Play, enjoy, win, lose. This isn't real money, and most of the prizes really aren't worth dividing by zero for.



For the awesomely terrible SUV, of course.


Yeah, that's what I want. I wanna go in a room, and be like, "HAY GUYS LOOK AT MAH NEW SUV" then fire it off, only to have a little Cosmo Fountain go off.



I want to join random parties and heal/buff a huge group of monsters. Then run while that random guy who always appears in every party swinging his axe madly has a pleasant time with his new friends.

[Arcturus]

On 2007-11-28 22:34, bahk wrote:

On 2007-11-28 22:28, Arcturus wrote:

On 2007-11-28 22:25, bahk wrote:

On 2007-11-28 22:23, Syanaide wrote:
Remind me why we're all trying to win big at the casino? Kings chair? A crappy Chainsawd/C?

Play, enjoy, win, lose. This isn't real money, and most of the prizes really aren't worth dividing by zero for.



For the awesomely terrible SUV, of course.


Yeah, that's what I want. I wanna go in a room, and be like, "HAY GUYS LOOK AT MAH NEW SUV" then fire it off, only to have a little Cosmo Fountain go off.



I want to join random parties and heal/buff a huge group of monsters. Then run while that random guy who always appears in every party swinging his axe madly has a pleasant time with his new friends.



HAHA yes! "WHY DID YOU DO THAT? YOU HEALED THE MONSTERS! Wait... HOW did you do that??"

[bahk]

On 2007-11-28 22:36, Arcturus wrote:

On 2007-11-28 22:34, bahk wrote:

On 2007-11-28 22:28, Arcturus wrote:

On 2007-11-28 22:25, bahk wrote:

On 2007-11-28 22:23, Syanaide wrote:
Remind me why we're all trying to win big at the casino? Kings chair? A crappy Chainsawd/C?

Play, enjoy, win, lose. This isn't real money, and most of the prizes really aren't worth dividing by zero for.



For the awesomely terrible SUV, of course.


Yeah, that's what I want. I wanna go in a room, and be like, "HAY GUYS LOOK AT MAH NEW SUV" then fire it off, only to have a little Cosmo Fountain go off.



I want to join random parties and heal/buff a huge group of monsters. Then run while that random guy who always appears in every party swinging his axe madly has a pleasant time with his new friends.



HAHA yes! "WHY DID YOU DO THAT? YOU HEALED THE MONSTERS! Wait... HOW did you do that??"



Spy's sappin mah enemies... with spiritual healing and warm, fuzzy feelings.

[Ninerlife]

I won a jackpot but it was last week and it was like 30 silvers...enough to buy some decos and then play this week on...now the jackpots are much higher but I have not been so lucky.

[Kylie]

Betting on two of the range blocks is too safe and boring for my tastes. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[3nascar3fan3]

I have used this statagy and i am steadilly gaining coins but some of my friends have used it to more success 2 have gotten ascention give and another the papagayo (parrot)

although i tend to not change the places i bet (the two highest) and i only bet in universe 15 (xbox 360) around 4-8 pacific time that is when it seems to stay in the higher range and if i am not winning i will stop

i noticed that the wheel seems to be streaky in these times so i wait till i would of won 2 times before i start betting and i usually bet form 20-5 bronze ber run and when i build up a silver coin i store it in the bank (till i get enough that i can start betting silver)

[Esufer]

I bet one silver on the colors, and one on a dozen, then 10 copper on zero.
Works for me.

[Raven5_1]

i went from 1 silver, to 1 silver and 86 bronze then lost it all on slots. ah well guess i have to start all over again.

[RedX]

I've been doing this since the first day i was at the casino. It works most of the time, as long as you don't get greedy.

[Sinue_v2]

What was I doing out here? What was the meaning of this trip? Was I just roaming around in a frenzy of some kind... or had I really come out here to Voloyal on a mission? Who are these people, these faces Where do they come from? They look like caricatures of used PPT Shuttle dealers from Tacus City... and, sweet Jesus, there are a hell of a lot of them at 4:30 on a Sunday morning... still humping the Gurhalian Dream-- that vision of the big winner... somehow emerging from the last-minute, pre-dawn chaos of a stale Moatoob casino. - HUnter

Personally, I just hit the slot machines. Seems to be better for raising money, but much slower. You'll lose a bit, and spend quite a bit of time just making up losses, but will quickly make it up when you hit a fever. Or several fevers in a row.

Yes, I am that asshole who keeps hitting the fevers and obscuring the view of the Roulette Wheel number history.




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[Shade-]

bet on 0...

ALWAYS bet on 0

[Hokokaru]

lol RED RED RED
13-24 or 25-36
always wins XD you just see lol

[Carlo210]

Question: how do you hit a jackpot?
Question: Why does the rappyx2 reward sometimes appear as RAPPO RAPPO or whatever instead of x200?
Question: How do you start a fever?



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[Hyper_Rappy]

wow nice, i havent won anything from the cacino. i just save up by getting my free one silver each day.

[bahk]

I actually tried this just to see... Man, the coins I had made up till now got devastated. I guess you're right, 2/3 doesn't mean anything. Otherwise I can't believe how many times in a row I could lose.

So yeah, I hate your trick. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[Carlo210]

Never mind, I got a fever and it's awesome... and answers my other questions. LOL

[Aka]

On 2007-11-29 19:19, Carlo210 wrote:
Question: how do you hit a jackpot?
Question: Why does the rappyx2 reward sometimes appear as RAPPO RAPPO or whatever instead of x200?
Question: How do you start a fever?



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You hit Jackpot when you get the 3 King Rappys (Gappo Gappo) during fever mode.
During Fever mode, all rewards except the 3 King Rappy become x2.
Fever is started when you get 3x King Rappy, 3x Red Rappy or 3x Blue Rappy during normal play.

And on the subject of turning 1 silver into many, I managed to turn 1 Silver into 20 today http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[Arcturus]

On 2007-11-29 19:38, bahk wrote:
I actually tried this just to see... Man, the coins I had made up till now got devastated. I guess you're right, 2/3 doesn't mean anything. Otherwise I can't believe how many times in a row I could lose.

So yeah, I hate your trick. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif



Uh... well... it's the effort that counts! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[Getintothegame]

Tried this strategy tonight, but lost everything. My highest was about 1 silver, 90 bronze.

[Carlo210]

I can't believe people do this... with REAL money.