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gryphonvii
Dec 3, 2007, 09:29 PM
si, now that I've been all the new classes, I've gone back to fighgunner, but I've decided to finaly try and level up crossbows now that I have learned patience. Right now I'm packing a yurasogic grinded 4 times, anybody have reccomendations for the best a-rank out there? A dunga paired with the armor?, a grinded mamba?

Nai_Calus
Dec 3, 2007, 10:18 PM
I use a couple of +5 Cubo Dungas with Rabol Dunga and it does me just fine. Ground Mambas would work nicely as well.

I honestly don't like the Yohmei crossbows at all... They'd be OK for GTs if they were using them as a primary means of damage, but I only ever manage to drain crossbows if I'm levelling bullets on them. *shrug* And the Youmei have inferior ATP as well as inferior ATA, so that's a turn-off. Besides them being so huge it's ugly... Yuck. Gimme Tenora Xbows any day.

Zael
Dec 3, 2007, 10:27 PM
On 2007-12-03 19:15, Thanubis wrote:
Go with the Cubo Mamba and just so you know, there are no armor+weapon combos in AoI anymore.


Fuma-Hiken and Fuma-senba?

Shishi-O
Dec 4, 2007, 12:13 AM
On 2007-12-03 19:15, Thanubis wrote:
Go with the Cubo Mamba and just so you know, there are no armor+weapon combos in AoI anymore.

....'splain plis.

HFlowen
Dec 4, 2007, 12:15 AM
Combo sets were nerfed, it's not worth it anymore.

pikachief
Dec 4, 2007, 12:25 AM
lol flowen's posts are 1234 XD

also cubo mamba

Para
Dec 4, 2007, 12:35 AM
Cubo Mamba indefinitely, cheap to create with the amount of cash out there, grindable to +10 and well worth the damage.

ljkkjlcm9
Dec 4, 2007, 12:55 AM
beast fighgunner using cugo mamba +10 does 500+ damage a bullet at level 30

THE JACKEL

I-am-Evan
Dec 4, 2007, 01:44 AM
I'm a guntecher and i use Mamba 10/10 seems to work the best i love it... but it is for sale http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

CelestialBlade
Dec 4, 2007, 06:59 AM
I use a grinded Cubo Mamba and a grinded 9* Yohmei (forgot what it's called). The damage gap isn't all that much to be honest, and the Yohmei does indeed have a sick amount of PP. I normally don't care too much about PP amount but unfortunately Photon Charges are still dumb and only restore half-PP when you have two weapons equipped. They both have their uses to be honest, and given that Crossbows drain pretty fast, I keep both on me.

amtalx
Dec 4, 2007, 10:32 AM
What's the set bonus for the Dunga set now? I'm glad I didn't get around to dumping resources into +10s...

Bliven
Dec 4, 2007, 10:52 AM
On 2007-12-04 03:59, Typheros wrote:
I use a grinded Cubo Mamba and a grinded 9* Yohmei (forgot what it's called). The damage gap isn't all that much to be honest, and the Yohmei does indeed have a sick amount of PP. I normally don't care too much about PP amount but unfortunately Photon Charges are still dumb and only restore half-PP when you have two weapons equipped. They both have their uses to be honest, and given that Crossbows drain pretty fast, I keep both on me.



You can go through the menu to use photon charges on one weapon if it really bothers you that much...

CelestialBlade
Dec 4, 2007, 11:05 AM
On 2007-12-04 07:52, Bliven wrote:

On 2007-12-04 03:59, Typheros wrote:
I use a grinded Cubo Mamba and a grinded 9* Yohmei (forgot what it's called). The damage gap isn't all that much to be honest, and the Yohmei does indeed have a sick amount of PP. I normally don't care too much about PP amount but unfortunately Photon Charges are still dumb and only restore half-PP when you have two weapons equipped. They both have their uses to be honest, and given that Crossbows drain pretty fast, I keep both on me.

You can go through the menu to use photon charges on one weapon if it really bothers you that much...

True enough, just, heat of battle and all that.

amtalx
Dec 4, 2007, 11:11 AM
On 2007-12-04 08:05, Typheros wrote:

True enough, just, heat of battle and all that.


Set your default shortcut to "/item" for speedy access. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

Hath_Wrobo
Dec 4, 2007, 12:26 PM
Wait, set bonuses were nerfed? If anyone has any experience with it, and this is a long shot due to rarity, but I have currently been hunting for a rikauteri/rikausenba set. Now if the stat increase is not great, I would appreciate if someone with knowledge of this set to tell me if it is even worth the time to hunt for the rikau-senba.

Kittycat
Dec 5, 2007, 05:02 AM
Cubo Dunga 8* +10
Rabol dunga bonus
PP 1009
Att 334 (402 if set wasn't nerfed)
Acc 141 (176 if set wasn't nerfed)
Max vs test monster : 366

Cubo Mamba 9* +10
PP 1030
Att 354
Acc 156
Max vs same test monster: 351

I didn't collect a large sample, but they're really close.


---
Cubo upindec 8* tenora -> kubara +10
possible bonus from aoti patch
1144 (unconfirmed)
120 (unconfirmed)
120 (unconfirmed)

Yurasogic 8* yohmei -> kubara +10
possible bonus from aoti patch
pp: 1122
atk: 280
acc: 120 (pso-w lists as 102 by error)

Gained a level, so new test:
dunga+10+bonus: 360
mamba+10: 344
yurasogic+10: 320

bah

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Jakosifer
Dec 5, 2007, 05:33 AM
I love my Aikasoki, has a lot more PP than my old Mamba did, and not much less ATP either (Which is easily remedied by some good grinding I might add). I say when you find one, grind it and you'll be pleased with the result.

Dragwind
Dec 5, 2007, 06:30 AM
I still stick with the Mamba. It grinds very well.

RACast_Raiden
Dec 5, 2007, 06:40 AM
I'd prefer any of the Yohmei Crossbows dur to their High PP count.

ATP doesn't metter to me much anyways as i'd rather have a steady stream of Bolts firing.

Shadow_Wing
Dec 5, 2007, 07:09 AM
Opps, didn't realize there was a 2nd page lol


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CelestialBlade
Dec 5, 2007, 08:03 AM
(Wow Wren, you're up as early as I am o_O)

I got my Aikasoki to +5 the other day, and it now has freaking 11xx PP. That's pretty awesome for a 1h weapon. Cards may hit a little harder but my Mira-kikami +5 only has around 750 PP. And the gap between Yohmei and Tenora for Crossbows, as far as ATP goes, is not that much. So there's a solid case for using Yohmei Crossbows, despite how funked up they look.

amtalx
Dec 5, 2007, 08:16 AM
Eh, I rather carry a few Xbows than have 1 or 2 of a weaker version. You can make up for lacking PP with charges and multiple weapons. Theres no way to make up for lost ATP. Besides, I prefer my weapons not look like something from the Pottery Barn. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

Kittycat
Dec 5, 2007, 12:51 PM
board glitch

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Kittycat
Dec 5, 2007, 12:55 PM
board glitch

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DISCO
Dec 5, 2007, 06:22 PM
dunga +10 and a rabol dunga is the superior crossbow for damage. I have used both a mamba+10 and the dunga+10 and combo and teh dunag hits for considerably more.

Benegesserit
Dec 5, 2007, 06:26 PM
On 2007-12-04 08:11, amtalx wrote:

On 2007-12-04 08:05, Typheros wrote:

True enough, just, heat of battle and all that.


Set your default shortcut to "/item" for speedy access. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif





And if I play Xbox?

majan
Dec 5, 2007, 08:40 PM
On 2007-12-05 15:22, DISCO wrote:
dunga +10 and a rabol dunga is the superior crossbow for damage. I have used both a mamba+10 and the dunga+10 and combo and teh dunag hits for considerably more.




indeed.also, a key here is yak zagenga.this PA has more multipliers than you can shake a stick at.3x for 3 shots,3% atp for every 5% HP lost,and of course its base damage multiplier which is quite high-high enough to parallel the element bullets.

so a difference of 15-20 damage actually translates to a difference of 45-60 damage when multiplied by 3 which is the max damage you can do to one target if you concentrate all the bullets on one.crossbows are super effective and if you give even half a rats ass about damage output,stick with the tenora ones.if you are a fanatic and depend primarily on crossbows,go rabol dunga/cubo dungas.if you use them for just support,it isnt worth going too deep into it with the armor bonus,especially if its been nerfed.

Helly
Dec 5, 2007, 08:48 PM
Wait Yohmei makes crossbows now?? Me want! PP > Damage when you're just trying ta spread SE's! To bad the lowest priced one out there is 1.5 million x_X; highway robbery! Oh well... it'll be gone by the time this has been posted anyway like everything else I've considered buying...