acrogunner or something else??

[JinxoOrougeOo]

Just wondering if anyone knew what is going to happpen with all those poor casts who are stuck with nothing new

[Pillan]

Casts, like every other race, do very well as either of the Acro- classes. There's nothing really to worry about.

Sonic Team has not released any information on an "Acrogunner" or any new gunner class, though Gunmaster was discovered in the offline data and 3 new classes will be released early next year on the Japanese version. So we'll just have to wait and see what happens.

[Umberger]

I wasn't aware that CASTs were specifically told they were not allowed to use any of the new content.

EDIT: Also, there are 3 new SUVs, with at least 2 more that are going to be released in the future.

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[Ezodagrom]

the gunner type with fast ranged weapons is guntecher (even with no speed boost), there would be no point in an acrogunner...
and casts are not stuck to fortegunner, they can be whatever they want, they are also quite good hunters



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[Hokokaru]

Acrogunner=Guntecher lol
they specialize in 1-handed guns so why would SEGA make a repeat of it?

[Pillan]

On 2007-12-09 14:13, Umberger wrote:
I wasn't aware that CASTs were specifically told they were not allowed to use any of the new content.


Check the earlier pages of either of the "Official Acro- Threads". Both began with an anti-Cast/Beast bias among the majority of testers on the JP beta, so it wouldn't surprise me if those statements fostered an illusion that Casts would suck at both. I mean, both classes have high EVP and TP and Casts are the lowest on both, so at face value alone you'd assume Casts aren't that great.

[JinxoOrougeOo]

guntech is a hybrid class the fact of the matter is that theres no class in the expansion for gunners hear me out on this
hunter-acrofighter
force-acrotecher
ranger-???
i dont even have a highlevel cast im just sayin wheres the love for gunners

[Ezodagrom]

acrofighter is an hybrid class, requires hunter/ranger
acrotecher is an hybrid class, requires force/ranger



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[JinxoOrougeOo]

u arent seeing my point are u try answering the question

[Umberger]

On 2007-12-09 14:18, Pillan wrote:

Check the earlier pages of either of the "Official Acro- Threads". Both began with an anti-Cast/Beast bias among the majority of testers on the JP beta, so it wouldn't surprise me if those statements fostered an illusion that Casts would suck at both. I mean, both classes have high EVP and TP and Casts are the lowest on both, so at face value alone you'd assume Casts aren't that great.



Acrofighters can do well without using Shadoogs...which are the only TP dependent thing they have. CASTs make fine Acrofighters...they aren't the best Acrotechers, but that's expected of them.

[Ezodagrom]

there's no point in acrogunner...what weapons would it have? basically the same as guntecher (in terms of ranged weapons)...
acrofighter is an expert in fast melee, acrotecher is an expert in support techs and fast melee and offensive techs, guntecher uses support techs and fast guns...


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[Addark]

You're not seeing his point. Both classes utilize guns to a great extent.

[Zwick_]

If I am not mistaken I think gunners have more classes they are involved in than anybody else...

[Pillan]

On 2007-12-09 14:23, Umberger wrote:
Acrofighters can do well without using Shadoogs...which are the only TP dependent thing they have. CASTs make fine Acrofighters...they aren't the best Acrotechers, but that's expected of them.


It's actually pretty easy to do well at either Acro-class regardless of race. That's why I used the qualifier "at face value alone". It was really more of a joke than anything else.

[Addark]

On 2007-12-09 14:23, Umberger wrote:

On 2007-12-09 14:18, Pillan wrote:

Check the earlier pages of either of the "Official Acro- Threads". Both began with an anti-Cast/Beast bias among the majority of testers on the JP beta, so it wouldn't surprise me if those statements fostered an illusion that Casts would suck at both. I mean, both classes have high EVP and TP and Casts are the lowest on both, so at face value alone you'd assume Casts aren't that great.



Acrofighters can do well without using Shadoogs...which are the only TP dependent thing they have. CASTs make fine Acrofighters...they aren't the best Acrotechers, but that's expected of them.

Shadoogs are more for special effects than for damage anyway. :]

[JinxoOrougeOo]

again the question at hand is why is there no class in the expansion for GUNNERS casts are not part of it at all yes they make good AF's and yes they make good GT's i agree but acrofighter use's one handed weps with hightened reflexes same with acrotechers hightened reflexes NO GUNNER has hightened reflexes

[Zwick_]

[/quote]Shadoogs are more for special effects than for damage anyway. :]

[/quote]
Not really, my shadoog doesn't do the most damage but what it does really does add up

[RACast_Raiden]

'cause they(me/us) ONLY shoot guns?

[Zwick_]

On 2007-12-09 14:26, JinxoOrougeOo wrote:
again the question at hand is why is there no class in the expansion for GUNNERS casts are not part of it at all yes they make good AF's and yes they make good GT's i agree but acrofighter use's one handed weps with hightened reflexes same with acrotechers hightened reflexes NO GUNNER has hightened reflexes


The reason for this is because how strong guns are, they already deal about 700-800 DPS in most cases and you want to make it faster so it is 1200-1300? It is just simply to avoid overpowering and have a diversity in classes instead of everyone being the strongest in the game

[JinxoOrougeOo]

On 2007-12-09 14:28, RACast_Raiden wrote:
'cause they(me/us) ONLY shoot guns?


if uve ever played as a gunner u know how long it takes to shoot a shotgun or a rifle or a grenade or a laser cannon

[Ezodagrom]

On 2007-12-09 14:30, JinxoOrougeOo wrote:

On 2007-12-09 14:28, RACast_Raiden wrote:
'cause they(me/us) ONLY shoot guns?


if uve ever played as a gunner u know how long it takes to shoot a shotgun or a rifle or a grenade or a laser cannon



crossbow, twin handgun, machinegun, handgun are all fast shooting weapons (guntecher)



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[zandra117]

protranser = acrogunner, it covers everything that the other acro classes didn't.

[Zwick_]

On 2007-12-09 14:30, JinxoOrougeOo wrote:

if uve ever played as a gunner u know how long it takes to shoot a shotgun or a rifle or a grenade or a laser cannon


Once again, these are all also very powerful weapons and if they were faster it would be overpowered
2nd. The rifle shoots pretty fast last time I checked and leveled up does more damage than most other weapons

[blkbeast]

On 2007-12-09 14:30, JinxoOrougeOo wrote:

On 2007-12-09 14:28, RACast_Raiden wrote:
'cause they(me/us) ONLY shoot guns?


if uve ever played as a gunner u know how long it takes to shoot a shotgun or a rifle or a grenade or a laser cannon


yea long @$$ time... to shoot dats why i hate my gunner as of right now anyways...but its ok for soloing with they power of each weap. you said

[JinxoOrougeOo]

On 2007-12-09 14:31, Ezodagrom wrote:

On 2007-12-09 14:30, JinxoOrougeOo wrote:

On 2007-12-09 14:28, RACast_Raiden wrote:
'cause they(me/us) ONLY shoot guns?


if uve ever played as a gunner u know how long it takes to shoot a shotgun or a rifle or a grenade or a laser cannon



crossbow, twin handgun, machinegun, handgun? (guntecher)


hightened reflexes i think not sega has officially nerfed gunners they cant hit crits unless they block they can never have a 50% wep unlesss its a sword or dagger and they cant attack anyfaster than they coud in psu

[Zwick_]

On 2007-12-09 14:35, JinxoOrougeOo wrote:

On 2007-12-09 14:31, Ezodagrom wrote:

On 2007-12-09 14:30, JinxoOrougeOo wrote:

On 2007-12-09 14:28, RACast_Raiden wrote:
'cause they(me/us) ONLY shoot guns?


if uve ever played as a gunner u know how long it takes to shoot a shotgun or a rifle or a grenade or a laser cannon



crossbow, twin handgun, machinegun, handgun? (guntecher)


hightened reflexes i think not sega has officially nerfed gunners they cant hit crits unless they block they can never have a 50% wep unlesss its a sword or dagger and they cant attack anyfaster than they coud in psu


It is a good thing they cant have 50% for their own sake, they would have to buy multiple of the same gun in different elements

[Shadow_Wing]

Gunners don't need an acrogunner class, what they need is just attack to compare with melee http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif.

Gunners have not been nerfed (IE Shotgun kicks some serious ass, GT kicks some serious ass, ect), and no we don't need an acrogunner class <<;.

And I'm a CAST AT, I do quite extremely well in a class considered a techer class <<;

[JinxoOrougeOo]

i dont know if u know how the Pa's work but every 10 levels u get the elemntal % goes up

[Shiryuu]

What basic classes would an acrogunner require? 5 Ranger and 3 Ranger? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_confused.gif

[pikachief]

On 2007-12-09 14:13, Umberger wrote:
I wasn't aware that CASTs were specifically told they were not allowed to use any of the new content.

EDIT: Also, there are 3 new SUVs, with at least 2 more that are going to be released in the future.

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ZOMG 3 NEW SUV'S! that shur beats bigger spells, new classes, new weapons and timed attacks! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_eek.gif

[Ezodagrom]

well, even if there was an acrogunner class with faster shooting, it would only have crossbow, handgun, card, machinegun, shadoog and twin handgun for ranger weapons. The other acroclasses the only 2 handed weapons they have are 1 weapon for each hand and not big weapons that use 2 hands (like swords, spears, axe, shotgun, grenade, bow, rifle, and so on...)

[JinxoOrougeOo]

On 2007-12-09 14:40, pikachief wrote:

On 2007-12-09 14:13, Umberger wrote:
I wasn't aware that CASTs were specifically told they were not allowed to use any of the new content.

EDIT: Also, there are 3 new SUVs, with at least 2 more that are going to be released in the future.

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ZOMG 3 NEW SUV'S! that shur beats bigger spells, new classes, new weapons and timed attacks! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_eek.gif


let it be know that not alll casts are gunners and not all gunners are casts

i would hardly consider acension gift as an suv

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[pikachief]

On 2007-12-09 14:41, JinxoOrougeOo wrote:

On 2007-12-09 14:40, pikachief wrote:

On 2007-12-09 14:13, Umberger wrote:
I wasn't aware that CASTs were specifically told they were not allowed to use any of the new content.

EDIT: Also, there are 3 new SUVs, with at least 2 more that are going to be released in the future.

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ZOMG 3 NEW SUV'S! that shur beats bigger spells, new classes, new weapons and timed attacks! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_eek.gif


let it be know that not alll casts are gunners and not all gunners are casts



well then it just sucks even more for non-cast gunners now doesnt it!? lol

[Zwick_]

On 2007-12-09 14:39, JinxoOrougeOo wrote:
i dont know if u know how the Pa's work but every 10 levels u get the elemntal % goes up


Yes I know how bullets work, I have a fortegunner and try to tell me that is fair to everyone else who has to make/buy 50% elemental weapons when you just spam to get them and they are interchangable between one weapons

[JinxoOrougeOo]

that was my basic point lawl

[Grimhart]

On 2007-12-09 14:32, zandra117 wrote:
protranser = acrogunner, it covers everything that the other acro classes didn't.



Yeah, I second this thought. It's basically what I figured when I wondered about the absence of an "Acrogunner" class. xD

[Zwick_]

On 2007-12-09 14:41, JinxoOrougeOo wrote:

On 2007-12-09 14:40, pikachief wrote:

On 2007-12-09 14:13, Umberger wrote:
I wasn't aware that CASTs were specifically told they were not allowed to use any of the new content.

EDIT: Also, there are 3 new SUVs, with at least 2 more that are going to be released in the future.

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Umberger on 2007-12-09 14:18 ]</font>


ZOMG 3 NEW SUV'S! that shur beats bigger spells, new classes, new weapons and timed attacks! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_eek.gif


let it be know that not alll casts are gunners and not all gunners are casts

i would hardly consider acension gift as an suv

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Hey guess what! people like me that use Humans dont have a SUV so I dont see any reason to complain about that either

[JinxoOrougeOo]

On 2007-12-09 14:43, Zwick_ wrote:

On 2007-12-09 14:39, JinxoOrougeOo wrote:
i dont know if u know how the Pa's work but every 10 levels u get the elemntal % goes up


Yes I know how bullets work, I have a fortegunner and try to tell me that is fair to everyone else who has to make/buy 50% elemental weapons when you just spam to get them and they are interchangable between one weapons


guns are more expensive to buy make and they have less of a chance to make from a pm this leads to less guns being made makeing them more rare and more expensive

[Zwick_]

On 2007-12-09 14:45, JinxoOrougeOo wrote:

On 2007-12-09 14:43, Zwick_ wrote:

On 2007-12-09 14:39, JinxoOrougeOo wrote:
i dont know if u know how the Pa's work but every 10 levels u get the elemntal % goes up


Yes I know how bullets work, I have a fortegunner and try to tell me that is fair to everyone else who has to make/buy 50% elemental weapons when you just spam to get them and they are interchangable between one weapons


guns are more expensive to buy make and they have less of a chance to make from a pm this leads to less guns being made makeing them more rare and more expensive



They are harder to make because they require Im-photons which lower success of any weapon, if you could make them an element it would be the same as anything else
And if they are so much more expensive then how about you go out and buy a 50% of every element on a high rank weapon and tell me how 'cheap' it is

[Umberger]

On 2007-12-09 14:40, pikachief wrote:

ZOMG 3 NEW SUV'S! that shur beats bigger spells, new classes, new weapons and timed attacks! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_eek.gif



Bigger spells are just for show...it doesn't change the fact that they're just 1% (or 2 in other cases) TP and 1% element stronger. Plus, every class has higher PAs now, it's not like Fortetechers are the only ones. =|

New weapons...so change to a new class? Every class got a new weapon except Protransers if I remember correctly.

Just Attack is a luxury, not a necessity. If you want it so bad, change classes.

For about the millionth time, this is a game, not a job. If all you can do is complain about it, then either stop playing, or change to something that is fun.

[NPCMook]

On 2007-12-09 14:51, Umberger wrote:
Bigger spells are just for show...it doesn't change the fact that they're just 1% (or 2 in other cases) TP and 1% element stronger. Plus, every class has higher PAs now, it's not like Fortetechers are the only ones. =|

New weapons...so change to a new class? Every class got a new weapon except Protransers if I remember correctly.

Just Attack is a luxury, not a necessity. If you want it so bad, change classes.

For about the millionth time, this is a game, not a job. If all you can do is complain about it, then either stop playing, or change to something that is fun. 100% agree

[Zwick_]

On 2007-12-09 14:53, NPCMook wrote:

On 2007-12-09 14:51, Umberger wrote:
Bigger spells are just for show...it doesn't change the fact that they're just 1% (or 2 in other cases) TP and 1% element stronger. Plus, every class has higher PAs now, it's not like Fortetechers are the only ones. =|

New weapons...so change to a new class? Every class got a new weapon except Protransers if I remember correctly.

Just Attack is a luxury, not a necessity. If you want it so bad, change classes.

For about the millionth time, this is a game, not a job. If all you can do is complain about it, then either stop playing, or change to something that is fun. 100% agree


Also agree, thank you Umberger

[JinxoOrougeOo]

i never siad that it would be cheap to buy 50% weps however the fact that im photons lower sucess of any wepon is an untrue anystriking weapon will be lowered by im photons and el photons but rods and wands must use el photons and guns must use im photons which dont lower the percent of making them at all

[Zwick_]

On 2007-12-09 14:54, JinxoOrougeOo wrote:
i never siad that it would be cheap to buy 50% weps however the fact that im photons lower sucess of any wepon is an untrue anystriking weapon will be lowered by im photons and el photons but rods and wands must use el photons and guns must use im photons which dont lower the percent of making them at all


It does, notice you dont have a choice, its like kubara weapons have a lower chance of success than other weapons of the same * if they are kubara only, if you had a choice of photon it would be higher for other photons because im and el lower it. It is logical if you just think about it for a minute instead of assuming and complaining about everything

[JinxoOrougeOo]

On 2007-12-09 14:54, Zwick_ wrote:

On 2007-12-09 14:53, NPCMook wrote:

On 2007-12-09 14:51, Umberger wrote:
Bigger spells are just for show...it doesn't change the fact that they're just 1% (or 2 in other cases) TP and 1% element stronger. Plus, every class has higher PAs now, it's not like Fortetechers are the only ones. =|

New weapons...so change to a new class? Every class got a new weapon except Protransers if I remember correctly.

Just Attack is a luxury, not a necessity. If you want it so bad, change classes.

For about the millionth time, this is a game, not a job. If all you can do is complain about it, then either stop playing, or change to something that is fun. 100% agree


Also agree, thank you Umberger


u just agrred with urself??

[Zwick_]

On 2007-12-09 14:56, JinxoOrougeOo wrote:

On 2007-12-09 14:54, Zwick_ wrote:

On 2007-12-09 14:53, NPCMook wrote:

On 2007-12-09 14:51, Umberger wrote:
Bigger spells are just for show...it doesn't change the fact that they're just 1% (or 2 in other cases) TP and 1% element stronger. Plus, every class has higher PAs now, it's not like Fortetechers are the only ones. =|

New weapons...so change to a new class? Every class got a new weapon except Protransers if I remember correctly.

Just Attack is a luxury, not a necessity. If you want it so bad, change classes.

For about the millionth time, this is a game, not a job. If all you can do is complain about it, then either stop playing, or change to something that is fun. 100% agree


Also agree, thank you Umberger


u just agrred with urself??


...no, I agreed with Umberger and with NPCMook

[JinxoOrougeOo]

i still not that u agreed with urself so lets just agrre to disagree and note that i agree with myself that we should agree to disagree

[Zwick_]

Sounds good, but my last point still stands if you didnt read it yet

[Shadow_Wing]

Let me just put this out, before it gets too late:

JinxoOrougeOo, wut?

I don't exactly quite get what your talking about anymore.

[NPCMook]

On 2007-12-09 14:58, JinxoOrougeOo wrote:
i still not that u agreed with urself so lets just agrre to disagree and note that i agree with myself that we should agree to disagree

You live in your own little world with magical elves, and unicorns don't you?

[JinxoOrougeOo]

i did and that was a misread by myself

[JinxoOrougeOo]

On 2007-12-09 15:00, NPCMook wrote:

On 2007-12-09 14:58, JinxoOrougeOo wrote:
i still not that u agreed with urself so lets just agrre to disagree and note that i agree with myself that we should agree to disagree

You live in your own little world with magical elves, and unicorns don't you?


actually its dwarves and lawn gnomes with pink bob the builder hats on

[Zwick_]

On 2007-12-09 15:00, NPCMook wrote:

On 2007-12-09 14:58, JinxoOrougeOo wrote:
i still not that u agreed with urself so lets just agrre to disagree and note that i agree with myself that we should agree to disagree

You live in your own little world with magical elves, and unicorns don't you?


probably.. lol

[Zwick_]

I am suprised remedy hasn't started ranting here yet =P

[JinxoOrougeOo]

remedy?

[Zwick_]

On 2007-12-09 15:04, JinxoOrougeOo wrote:
remedy?


The voice of complaints of every techer in the world

[JinxoOrougeOo]

oh yes well illl start a thread bashing techers and see what he does lawl

[Zwick_]

On 2007-12-09 15:06, JinxoOrougeOo wrote:
oh yes well illl start a thread bashing techers and see what he does lawl


That would be suicide

[JinxoOrougeOo]

its already done

[Raine_Loire]

shouldn't do that, it's called flame baiting. Remedy hasn't really been on since he started in on the mods...

I just don't get the point of this topic- there are 3 main classes. force, hunter, ranger. I believe all the combinations are now covered by the classes that are out:

techer
hunter
ranger
fortetecher double techer
fortefighter double fighter
fortegunner double ranger
figunner hunter ranger (hunter higher)
guntecher ranger techer (ranger higher)
wartecher hunter techer (force higher)
acrofighter ranger fighter (ranger higher)
acrotecher techer ranger (techer higher)

Did I miss something or did they pretty much cover all the bases here???

[JinxoOrougeOo]

On 2007-12-09 15:23, Raine_Loire wrote:
shouldn't do that, it's called flame baiting. Remedy hasn't really been on since he started in on the mods...

I just don't get the point of this topic- there are 3 main classes. force, hunter, ranger. I believe all the combinations are now covered by the classes that are out:

techer
hunter
ranger
fortetecher double techer
fortefighter double fighter
fortegunner double ranger
figunner hunter ranger (hunter higher)
guntecher ranger techer (ranger higher)
wartecher hunter techer (force higher)
acrofighter ranger fighter (ranger higher)
acrotecher techer ranger (techer higher)

Did I miss something or did they pretty much cover all the bases here???


i dont understand ur "graph" but if u elaborate i might

[Raine_Loire]

I'm sorry, I know it's in English and that appears to be a problem for you.

OK, I forgot protranser in the last one anyway, so let me try to make it more simple:

BASIC CLASSES
Hunter
Ranger
Force

EXPERT CLASSES
fortefighter (basically a complete hunter class)
fortegunner (a complete ranger class)
fortetecher (a complete techer class)
fighgunner (combination hunter/ranger, highest level hunter)
guntecher (combination ranger/ techer, highest level ranger)
wartecher (combination hunter/force, highest level force)
protranser (combination hunter/force/techer, even levels for all)

HYBRID CLASSES
acrofighter (combination ranger/hunter, highest level ranger)
acrotecher (combination ranger/techer, highest level techer)

as I said before, it seems like every possible combination of the classes is covered (except for a hunter/techer combo that has a higher level for hunter) so really rangers can't complain- technically it seems that although acrofighter is called "fighter" it is still aimed at rangers.



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[Zwick_]

i agree with all those except acrofighter, that is more hunters

[JinxoOrougeOo]

u make a valid point although it is a weak one because it has nothing to do with what i was arguing which was my piont that no gunner has hightened reflexes good point still on ur part and its also a truth

[blkbeast]

On 2007-12-09 15:41, Zwick_ wrote:
i agree with all those except acrofighter, that is more hunters


yar yar it is

[RACast_Raiden]

On 2007-12-09 15:44, JinxoOrougeOo wrote:
u make a valid point although it is a weak one because it has nothing to do with what i was arguing which was my piont that no gunner has hightened reflexes good point still on ur part and its also a truth


'cause they don't need one?...maybe



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[Raine_Loire]

Well it was hard to tell what your point was for this thread, considering you start off saying you wonder about casts, but later say that "gunners" don't have anything, and yet later you remind people that not all gunners are casts. It would be easier if you actually knew what your own point was before you started a thread...

[RedMussel]

On 2007-12-09 15:44, JinxoOrougeOo wrote:
u make a valid point although it is a weak one because it has nothing to do with what i was arguing which was my piont that no gunner has hightened reflexes good point still on ur part and its also a truth

You just fail in topics.

[JinxoOrougeOo]

On 2007-12-09 15:46, Raine_Loire wrote:
Well it was hard to tell what your point was for this thread, considering you start off saying you wonder about casts, but later say that "gunners" don't have anything, and yet later you remind people that not all gunners are casts. It would be easier if you actually knew what your own point was before you started a thread...


like hilary clinton i change my oppinion to suit the question

[blkbeast]

o0o0o0o0o RACast is on tha scene
now theres a cast player who knows sumthin about Gunner classes...
Go get em' Raiden