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JinxoOrougeOo
Dec 12, 2007, 03:05 PM
I've noticed a general trend in the forums everyone is saying that everything is unbalanced now hear me out on this if everything is unbalanced and everything is weaker then everything else then the game is perfectly balanced
Sychosis
Dec 12, 2007, 03:19 PM
Not everything is unbalanced. Additionally, being unbalanced =/= overpowered.
JinxoOrougeOo
Dec 12, 2007, 03:20 PM
On 2007-12-12 12:19, Sychosis wrote:
Not everything is unbalanced. Additionally, being unbalanced =/= overpowered.


thats my basic point, that nothing is unbalanced
Pillan
Dec 12, 2007, 03:22 PM
There's always going to be some people complaining about everything on either side. I say everything except slicers is pretty well balanced at this point.
JinxoOrougeOo
Dec 12, 2007, 03:23 PM
On 2007-12-12 12:22, Pillan wrote:
There's always going to be some people complaining about everything on either side. I say everything except slicers is pretty well balanced at this point.


yeah those are pretty ridiculus but i think the best way to fix that is to actually lower acrofighters TP which whould effectivly nerf em
Kiata
Dec 12, 2007, 03:23 PM
On 2007-12-12 12:22, Pillan wrote:
There's always going to be some people complaining about everything on either side. I say everything except slicers is pretty well balanced at this point.



I agree.
JAFO22000
Dec 12, 2007, 03:26 PM
I think I just blew out a synapse....
Chuck_Norris
Dec 12, 2007, 03:26 PM
What? How would nerfing TP fix them?
JinxoOrougeOo
Dec 12, 2007, 03:27 PM
On 2007-12-12 12:26, Chuck_Norris wrote:
What? How would nerfing TP fix them?


slicers rely off of TP why else would acrofighters have 900 TP
Kiata
Dec 12, 2007, 03:28 PM
All they need to do i nerf the atp and pa % a little bit doesnt have to be alot lowering the TP would do nothing
Pillan
Dec 12, 2007, 03:29 PM
On 2007-12-12 12:27, JinxoOrougeOo wrote:
slicers rely off of TP why else would acrofighters have 900 TP


Slicers rely on ATP. It's Shadoogs that use TP. And their TP mod is fine because Shadoogs are all it can be used for.
kissablepimp
Dec 12, 2007, 03:30 PM
Yes! a lot of people always complaining about anything either if the game is to hard or to easy or if a class is stronger than the rest they are all a bunch of cry babies that need to stop thier whining and shut the helll up!!!!!. How many people are with me?
Sychosis
Dec 12, 2007, 03:31 PM
On 2007-12-12 12:20, JinxoOrougeOo wrote:

On 2007-12-12 12:19, Sychosis wrote:
Not everything is unbalanced. Additionally, being unbalanced =/= overpowered.


thats my basic point, that nothing is unbalanced



I said not everything is unbalanced, not that nothing is unbalanced...
Chuck_Norris
Dec 12, 2007, 03:31 PM
On 2007-12-12 12:30, kissablepimp wrote:
Yes! a lot of people always complaining about anything either if the game is to hard or to easy or if a class is stronger than the rest they are all a bunch of cry babies that need to stop thier whining and shut the helll up!!!!!. How many people are with me?



None. WE LIKE BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWING!
JinxoOrougeOo
Dec 12, 2007, 03:32 PM
On 2007-12-12 12:30, kissablepimp wrote:
Yes! a lot of people always complaining about anything either if the game is to hard or to easy or if a class is stronger than the rest they are all a bunch of cry babies that need to stop thier whining and shut the helll up!!!!!. How many people are with me?


start a poll dud
Kiata
Dec 12, 2007, 03:32 PM
It depends if your a cast or not.
LOL
Hath_Wrobo
Dec 12, 2007, 03:34 PM
On 2007-12-12 12:27, JinxoOrougeOo wrote:

On 2007-12-12 12:26, Chuck_Norris wrote:
What? How would nerfing TP fix them?


slicers rely off of TP why else would acrofighters have 900 TP



...Slicer is a melee weapon
Miyoko
Dec 12, 2007, 03:41 PM
There are A LOT of things that are unbalanced in this game, but I'm not going to bother getting into them, because trying to have an intelligent debate on these forums is like trying to argue with a rock. A really dumb rock. >_>

Still more balanced than WoW, though... http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif
Pillan
Dec 12, 2007, 03:42 PM
On 2007-12-12 12:32, Kiata wrote:
It depends if your a cast or not.
LOL


Not so much whether your a Cast or not, but it does have a lot to do with race. The humans retain the "being decent at everything means we're the best at nothing, so give us something to be the best at" complaint. The Newmans have the "We should be able to beat fortefighter in terms of damage even though we have range, buffs, and resta to keep us alive while we watch the fortefighter get raped after begging us to heal." (Ignoring the slicer issue, obviously.) The Beasts have the whole "Did you see that last crit?! It was over 9000!!!" And the only thing you really hear from Casts lately is "We don't suck at GT, WT, or AT, despite the claims of others."

So, yeah, it is heavily dependent on where you're coming from.
Kion
Dec 12, 2007, 03:42 PM
Guns should be changed too. ST boosted the chances of getting high percents on synthing melee weapons so it's pretty common to get above 20% when synthing and yet guns leveled to 31 don't even get that high. And with percents applying only to the weapon on low ATP weapons, I only do 30 damage difference between the right element and the wrong one. Kind of a kick in the face for PA's I spent along time leveling. *complain complain*

i think it's alittle too much too facily hand over to melee for ATP to be the absolute stat, getting high ATP weapons with almost garanteed decent percent, and high ATP mods. but hey, i'm only one of like five gunners left in the population so i realize how littloe my opinion matters.



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ThEoRy
Dec 12, 2007, 04:36 PM
Whatever it is just pay the Guardian's license fee every month, or don't?...
Legendria
Dec 12, 2007, 04:39 PM
On 2007-12-12 13:36, ThEoRy wrote:
Whatever it is just pay the Guardian's license fee every month, or don't?...



This.
th0rnz
Dec 12, 2007, 04:44 PM
On 2007-12-12 12:41, Miyoko wrote:
There are A LOT of things that are unbalanced in this game, but I'm not going to bother getting into them, because trying to have an intelligent debate on these forums is like trying to argue with a rock. A really dumb rock. >_>

Still more balanced than WoW, though... http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif



I was waiting for someone to mention that WoW is so much more unbalanced than this game.

Seriously psu is pretty balanced, I don't see a huge difference in anything like I do in wow.
Akaimizu
Dec 12, 2007, 04:45 PM
My current feelings are like some of the others. Things seem pretty balanced..and I feel the racial benefits are becoming more equally shared especially as our levels get higher. My eye is on slicers, though. They currently seem as the main thing that seems off on the balance.

The other thing? Machinegun glitches, but that's a bug and less of an official game device. However, if that's the main bug we got, that's soooo much better than worrying about PKs and steals and being NOLed out of your entire character data, like it was for PSO.
AnamanaAU
Dec 12, 2007, 05:40 PM
Slicers are powerful, but you gotta remember that they aren't like other melee weapons, you have to actually aim their PA. I think the aim + power is an even trade off.
pikachief
Dec 12, 2007, 05:45 PM
On 2007-12-12 12:27, JinxoOrougeOo wrote:

On 2007-12-12 12:26, Chuck_Norris wrote:
What? How would nerfing TP fix them?


slicers rely off of TP why else would acrofighters have 900 TP



first of all, my acrofighter has over 1100 TP XD

second of all it runs on ATP not TP http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

the SHADOOGS run on tp http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif (if they ran on TP it would be much better because FF wouldn't be running around with an Acrofighters weapon! >.<)

or u know they can just take them away from FF's! Idk y they got them in the first place >.>
Lonzell
Dec 12, 2007, 05:49 PM
My testicals are unbalanced. My left hangs lower than my right.

A BAY BAY!
Pengfishh
Dec 12, 2007, 05:52 PM
Yeah! And golly, I just don't see why folks go around complaining all the time. We're always satisfied with having something to be dissatisfied with. Generally.
Lonzell
Dec 12, 2007, 05:55 PM
... Did you just say golly?
pikachief
Dec 12, 2007, 05:57 PM
On 2007-12-12 14:55, Lonzell wrote:
... Did you just say golly?



Gee golly gee gosh! JIMMINY JILLICKERS!

lol XD
Shiro_Ryuu
Dec 12, 2007, 06:10 PM
After the FT buff this friday and WTs getting S rank fists and claws [whenever that is], and if Slicers are a bit toned down, then I'm sure the classes will be balanced.
AnamanaAU
Dec 12, 2007, 06:12 PM
Then we will have people whining that the game is unbalanced again.
Lonzell
Dec 12, 2007, 06:12 PM
STOP TRYIN TO TONE DOWN OUR BADASS TOYS! WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU ALL!


YAAAH BITCH YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
Pillan
Dec 12, 2007, 06:14 PM
On 2007-12-12 15:12, JubeiSaotome wrote:
Then we will have people whining that the game is unbalanced again.


There was already a thread with Fortetechers complaining that a mere 20% damage boost and a slightly faster casting speed isn't enough.
Lonzell
Dec 12, 2007, 06:18 PM
On 2007-12-12 15:14, Pillan wrote:

On 2007-12-12 15:12, JubeiSaotome wrote:
Then we will have people whining that the game is unbalanced again.


There was already a thread with Fortetechers complaining that a mere 20% damage boost and a slightly faster casting speed isn't enough.



People complain for the sake of complainin'. They don't know wtf they want rlry.
KyEmo
Dec 12, 2007, 06:19 PM
On 2007-12-12 14:45, pikachief wrote:
or u know they can just take them away from FF's! Idk y they got them in the first place >.>



That... seems like a great idea.
Macras
Dec 12, 2007, 06:23 PM
On 2007-12-12 14:45, pikachief wrote:
or u know they can just take them away from FF's! Idk y they got them in the first place >.>


this wouldn't work if you think about it. They would just switch to a job that can use it and continue onward.
Finae
Dec 12, 2007, 06:24 PM
Complaining is fun. I just do it to get a rise out of people even though I'm fine with whatever they are changing.

Anyways, cry more nubs. Reroll to another game.
Lonzell
Dec 12, 2007, 06:26 PM
I blame it on their vaginas.
KyEmo
Dec 12, 2007, 06:32 PM
On 2007-12-12 15:23, Macras wrote:

On 2007-12-12 14:45, pikachief wrote:
or u know they can just take them away from FF's! Idk y they got them in the first place >.>


this wouldn't work if you think about it. They would just switch to a job that can use it and continue onward.



Less Atp means less damage..
Zorafim
Dec 12, 2007, 06:33 PM
I thought things were pretty balanced in terms of classes and PAs before the recent rebalancing, but now everything's thrown out of whack. As a teching class, using the race with the highest TP in the game, I'm doing more damage meleeing than I am using techs. This isn't even taking into consideration the slower cast times of techs, or the smaller amount of targets, or the speed for leveling them.

Gunners are now pretty much useless from what I see. At least, there isn't much of a point to play one. Status doesn't do anything anymore, and most enemies can be meleed without much harm done.

Then there's the fact that most PAs I bothered leveling to 30 are now inferior to the ones I still use. While I used to use all three PAs of each weapon, now I don't ever switch from one. Most of these are even the easy to get ones.


If you can't see that this game is unbalanced, you're really blind. It's better than most online games, for sure, but it's still pretty bad.
Pengfishh
Dec 12, 2007, 06:41 PM
What's wrong with golly?
MetalIdol876
Dec 12, 2007, 06:47 PM
On 2007-12-12 12:05, JinxoOrougeOo wrote:
I've noticed a general trend in the forums everyone is saying that everything is unbalanced now hear me out on this if everything is unbalanced and everything is weaker then everything else then the game is perfectly balanced


Nothing is unbalanced. You just aren't leaning over in your chair far enough.
SyThaGhost730
Dec 13, 2007, 03:53 PM
The game isnt unbalanced...they should have waited to give us our stat boosts because just about every class is overpowered in some type of way. All we need is to have some harder enemies (S3?S4?) smack us around a bit and people will stfu with the complaining.
creativehope
Dec 13, 2007, 04:27 PM
You know, with all this talk of unbalancing and such I just want to say that as a fortetecher main, I really dont want to do as much damage as a fortefighter. In all honesty I simply want to be more useful to the party besides being the personal nurse. Seeing as how being a fortetecher allows me to do everything from dmg,se,and support I would like to be decent in the 2 lesser fields I have. because as of now I really do feel sort of useless in a party. after I buff in the beginning of White beast all of the fist spawn is dead, so much for that. and no one seems to want buffs until I dont supply them, then the fighters complain, but when I do supply them, no exp for me. Maybe I should solo http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif