is this a safe way to make coins in the casino??

[linkz4461]

put 10 coins on one 1/3 piece 10 coins on another 1/3 piece then 5 coins on the last 1/3 piece

[Rizen]

Yes there is. Safest way to make coins in the casino is not to gamble at all. Just get 1s and day and save it.

[EMPYREAN]

only 1 probelm whit that, it takes too long time lol

[Crosse]

What I do is only bet on red or black, and start out small. That way, when you lose, you can double your bet and still win. Just make sure you have enough money to last through doubling it every time you bet wrong.

[HaydenX]

The classic 2x system does *NOT* work. The odds of winning at roulette when betting on red or black are 1:2.18 yet pays at 1:1. If there were a sure thing, nobody would waste it on PSU, they'd be making big bucks.

[Bliven]

How is it 1:2.18? .18 times it's gonna land on 0?

[Hath_Wrobo]

I just do the slot machines while browsing the internet. 3 coins each time, if I run out, oh well. The majority of the days though, I get at least one fever mode, which after it stops, I just deposit those coins and stop there.

[HaydenX]

On 2007-12-14 17:39, Bliven wrote:
How is it 1:2.18? .18 times it's gonna land on 0?



What about 00?

also, yes I got the odds wrong, they are 1:2.118 (assuming there are both a 0 and 00 as I have not yet entered the casino in PSU).

[Sasuke1986]

The method I use is to get my coins for the day and use them at the slots until I either:

1) Risk going below 50 bronze coins
2) Hit fever mode which, by the end, leaves the bronze coin count below 50
3) Hit fever mode and, if over 50 in the bronze count, keep going after fever ends until bronze count risks going below 50

Basically, if the bronze coin section is at risk of dropping below half, I leave the slots and deposit what I managed to get/save. This way I can at least salvage half of my daily earning if I have a run of bad luck.

Oh, I also use three coins at a time.

[Ahkaskar]

The PSU roulette wheel doesn't have a 00 (european rules?), but that doesn't change much.

[StanleyPain]

Here's what I do, and it works relatively well.
The roulette wheel allows you to bet on three number ranges, 1-12, 13-24, 25-36. Statistically, even though the roulettle wheel in the casino isn't particularly random (more on that later), the 13-24 range is a very safe bet and the odds of getting a number there are pretty good.
So...bet an amount on 13-24. Then bet the SAME amount on one of the other two ranges. My rule of thumb is to bet on a range that's opposite of whatever the last number was. If the last number was in the 13-24 range, I just make a quess.
Then, I bet a few coins on 0. The wheel hits 0 more often than you'd expect and, in my experience, it hits 0 at least once every 20-25 spins, roughly.
So, let's say you bet 10 coins on 13-24, 10 coins on 25-36. If one of those number ranges hits, you make 30 coins. Not a HUGE profit, but it's a slow, safe way to earn some coins when you have time to kill in the casino.
As for 0, I usually put enough coins on 0 to cover whatever I bet on the number ranges so that if it does hit 0 I am, at minimum, making back my initial bet. (remember, winning on 0 gets you x36 your bet).

If I feel adventurous, in addition to betting on the two ranges and 0 I will put money on black or red if the wheel has spun 4 or 5 of one color in a row (especially if it's more). Then, you're making a little extra cash.

The end benefits of this system can be huge if you risk a lot of money, but it's safer than putting all your money into red or black. But no system is perfect, of course.

As I said, though, the wheel is not truly random as I think everyone has seen it hit statistical impossibilities (like hitting black 10 times in a row, or a single number more than twice within 4 spins, or hitting zero two times in a tow). And I know there are people who've gotten good at predicting what the wheel will hit pretty well. There are definitely patterns people are catching.

[Ahkaskar]

The trouble I found with betting on two-thirds of the board is that it's like losing half the time, even if you win every time.

Best thing I found to do is bet on one of the thirds and one of the colors, same value. I usually use a spreadsheet to keep track of trends, though.

And yes, I know they aren't really "thirds".

[HaydenX]

On 2007-12-14 17:50, Ahkaskar wrote:
The PSU roulette wheel doesn't have a 00 (european rules?), but that doesn't change much.



That changes the number of potential landing slots from 1:38 to 1:37. That is a gigantic change when it comes to odds.

[Bliven]

On 2007-12-14 17:43, HaydenX wrote:

On 2007-12-14 17:39, Bliven wrote:
How is it 1:2.18? .18 times it's gonna land on 0?



What about 00?

also, yes I got the odds wrong, they are 1:2.118 (assuming there are both a 0 and 00 as I have not yet entered the casino in PSU).



There is no 00 in PSU

[Ahkaskar]

Going from 18 in 38 to 18 in 37 doesn't make much difference to me, when it comes to pulling a win on a color. It means that, principally speaking, it still favors the house.

[ZiG]

I also bet an equal amount on 2 different "thirds". But I generally but a third equal amount on a color. I'm pretty good at predicting the color (most of the time). This has worked for me alot. But yeah, it's very slow going.

[Tomeeboy]

I originally started out betting on red and black, trying to make the quick money. This usually resulted in me quickly going broke instead.

Now, I use a slightly different strategy. I take my one silver and head to the roulette table, taking note of which numbers have recently hit. I pay attention to the 12-number sets, in particular. Now, many people will say that betting based on probability isn't giving you any edge, but I think that betting based on probability at least gives you some structure to work from so that your bets stay consistent. If it helps a little at the same time, then that's even better. I take 25 bronze and place it on the set of 12 that I think is "due" to hit, and this set has a bet placed on it each spin until it does hit. For the second set of 12 (another 25 bronze bet), it is usually more of a guess. However, I will usually bet it on whatever set just hit, as long as that set is not already on a streak (2 or more in a row). This goes against the probability thing a little, but it seems to work out better for whatever reason (maybe I've just been lucky).

If I win the first round, I increase my bets to 35 bronze each. If I lose, I do two more bets of 25. This means I can be completely out of money in two spins if my luck is bad, but more times than not I can pull ahead a bit and give myself some breathing room. I keep playing the most probable set, and choosing the second set based on whatever hunch I may have when looking at the previous results.

Now, most people may not notice that the roulette table in PSU is set up differently than a standard roulette table. The numbers go in order, all the way around the table. On a standard roulette wheel, the numbers are totally mixed up and spread out in a way that gives no particular advantage to a specific set of numbers. In PSU roulette, you can bet on two sets of 12 numbers and basically have a giant pie slice of the wheel as your "win zone". Whether this gives any added advantage, I'm not sure, but it does make it easy to tell if you're going to win or not while the spin is still in progress. I'd be interested in finding out if this gives some additional edge to the player, as I'm sure there is a reason it's not set up this way in Vegas.

In the event that I lose and there is a set of 12 that I think is highly probable to hit (for example, 1-12 hasn't hit in 6 or 7 spins), I may increase my bets to 50 bronze each and try to recoup the losses a little quicker. I don't recommend doing this unless you've broke 2 silver or more with your original silver. It's a good way to blow your winnings, but it can also quickly get you back in the game a little after taking a loss or two.

I will occassionally drop a bronze or two on the 0, especially if that spot is inbetween the two sets of 12 that I'm betting on. This part is totally optional, and I merely do it now because I've had it land smack in the middle of the 1-12 and 25-36 sets, stopping on 0 and causing me to lose (due to the one space in my giant pie slice that I left vulnerable).

Anyway, this method takes a little time, but I've had a lot of success with it so far. Once I quit betting on red/black and switched to this method, I went from 0 to 17.5 silver in less than a week. Once I'm happy with my winnings (whether it's double, triple, or quadruple my original silver), I deposit the money and quit for the night. The most important part of this strategy is, DO NOT TOUCH the money you've deposited unless you are spending it on a prize.

Each spin is around a 65% chance of you winning half of your total bet. This means that nearly 2/3 spins you'll be winning enough to cancel out the losses from 1/3 of your spins... aka: breaking even (or at least pretty close). It's a fairly safe strategy, although the odds are always going to be in favor of the house, thanks to that pesky 0. I personally think that making sure you have a bet on the set that is 'due' to hit gives you the slight edge you need to put the odds in your favor. It has been working for me, at least http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif

[linkz4461]

i want happy score but i dunno if i should try to make 4 silver out of the silver i get tomorrow or just wait 4 days...

[Carbinne]

Put your one silver on 0, every day, until you win it. Then take your pile of 36 silver and brag about how you won big betting on 0. Alternatively you can put your money into the slots so that someone else can win back your winnings through a fever rush. Yeah, there's no guaranteed way to turn one silver into one gold.

Really, if there was a way to consistantly win these luck based games, we'd know it and all be winners. As it is the casino is just a timesink to keep us playing (with coins) and keep us paying (with $). If they had something like blackjack or poker, then I'd be more interested.

[Erika]

._. I just bet 10 bronze on the same color thats already hit. Like if it went red 19 put it on red. Because Ive fakin' seen it go red [&black] in a row like 13 times. That to me, is the equavilent of getting a fever on slots. Fevers make me mad anyway ]:<
always giving me bells! It works okay. Thats just my method anyway ^-^
Remember when gambling, the house always wins! & remember its fake coins, so dont get too stingy with them. Bet it all on BLACK! muahaha
<dontdothatIjustlost):>

[Randomness]

So, because it hits a rare streak, its not random?
Because someone fools themselves and thinks they can predict it, its not random? LOL.
Its easier to make it random than not. MUCH easier.

Furthermore, there is absolutely no way to actually win mathematically. Using a "system" and thinking it gives you an edge? Its called a gambler's fallacy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/gamblers_fallacy). EDIT:Excluding of course, Blackjack, becuase card counting actually does improve your odds.

The absolute best risk/reward is obtained by simply saving your one silver. Its slow, but it works.



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[Morokite]

I notice alot of people seem to place 1 coin on like 10-12 diffrent numbers. Which would in theory net you some profits easily.. Though it would be very gradual profits over time.

Personally I say just wing it and go wild.
Currently none of the items for sale are -that- great. Today I got my coin. My first to bets were like a 16 and a 30-something. Both of them landed right on those numbers and I was up to 12 silver already o_O I played around, bought some stuff, earned some more cash and then when I got bored I threw down 10s on Black for the heck of it and lost =P
It's roulette. There's no real safe way. It's a game of pure-chance. The only safe thing you can do is when you get that coin, play until you win enough so you can bank that one coin. That way, win or lose, you'll always come out even.



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[jcm5]

i spent an hour reading that that wiki link and the monty hall thing and the law of large numbers and the quantum game theory. wow i feel smart thanks

[jcm5]

i read that wiki link plus the monty hall thing and the quantum game theory and the law of large numbers. it took me an hour. it was fun. thanx

[StanleyPain]

Here we are talking about odds and who would have guessed someone would accidentally post something 23 times?

[Angelo]

Holy double-post...

[Rashiid]

All or nothing. That's my motto until I get what I want

[Misaki Ki]

Page 3, for the win?

[NOVA79]

I won big at the slots one day (hit the jackpot and won 3 gold coins & 88 silver). So I just spend my entire silver coin at the slots and hope for the best (I still have 1 gold coin + 17 silver banked)… I usually try to play on the same machine that others seem to be getting fevers (there always seems to be 1 that gets it more than others).

I just find roulette is way too risky for my taste.

My problem is that I made the mistake, after I won the jackpot, of buying 2 of some stuff (i.e. double the music disks, double some room decos) hoping to sell it/trade with others. Only the crappy part is that I didn’t know that you’re not able to unload these items be it in a shop, trade, drop, etc. It won’t even let me gift wrap it and give it to somebody. I kept them in case they ever change this feature (which I personally don’t agree with…should be free to do what I want with these items)….but to me, my only other option is to feed it to my PM which I really don’t want to do…

[panzer_unit]

I think the roulette wheel favors color streaks more than checker-boards. I usually make money or break even by hanging out and betting 10 coins on whatever color came up last. Really tho casino is just something I do while spamming mail and talking to people before I hit missions, I make most of my money by keeping the 1 silver I get per day.

[Zorak000]

another, slower, way is to bet 12 on 1-12, 13-24, then 1 coin on any number of the remaining single spots up to a maxium of 11 additional plots, so you would make 1-12 coins. this is the slowest possible way to make coins but it is also the safest.

[doubleEXP]

I just receive the silver and then deposit the silver, right away. I got tired of losing silver each day.

This way I get 7 silver profit a week, guaranteed. Just got the FTM music disc last night; great tune.

[New_One]

I play the slots almost exclusively, if I get a fever thing and a good payout then I deposit a silver coin from that and don't touch it again until I wan't to spend it. Basically an all or nothing but with loooaaaads of bitsize chances. I've got about 32 silver saved though.

[Vickie]

i just bet the one silver on 0 whenever i get it, then return to The Kego Clearing Correctional Facility



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[darkante]

On 2007-12-20 08:36, Vickie wrote:
i just bet the one silver on 0 whenever i get it


I don´t see how that is helping..the odds of it landing there is very slim..wouldn´t be smarter just to not use them and save them in the bank instead?

[Vickie]

thats the whole point of gambling isnt it taking that risk. you dont win big betting small

[Vickie]

i say to hell with all the mathmatical bullshit just bet and leave it to luck weather its a low % or high % especially in a game where you cant physically roll the dice...



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[New_One]

Through my observations the most common numbers that turn up are '26' and '33', the latter happens to be my lucky number aswell..., I don't have the balls to bet alot of money on single numbers though haha

[darkante]

On 2007-12-20 08:40, Vickie wrote:
thats the whole point of gambling isnt it taking that risk. you dont win big betting small



No, but you might be stuck not landing on that number until like 2 months or more if you bet your free silver every day.
And what from i heard, its 36 times the bet.
So you see my point?
I rather rely on knowing i get that amount of money by that month then hoping it eventually land one of all other numbers.
I would rather bets on one of the 3 boards thingies or Black/red http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[Vickie]

well im not gonna debate with you nor will i change my way of doing things. I'm just saying how I do things, take it how you want.

[darkante]

On 2007-12-20 08:49, Vickie wrote:
well im not gonna debate with you nor will i change my way of doing things. I'm just saying how I do things, take it how you want.


No, i´m not saying you how you must bet.
Just giving out friendly tips.
It´s just i don´t trust luck that much..learned it the hard way...mostly because i ended up losing over 30 silvers.
Sorry, if you took the post as something else.

You are free to do it how you want. =)

[Vickie]

On 2007-12-20 08:54, darkante wrote:

On 2007-12-20 08:49, Vickie wrote:
well im not gonna debate with you nor will i change my way of doing things. I'm just saying how I do things, take it how you want.


No, i´m not saying you how you must bet.
Just giving out friendly tips.
It´s just i don´t trust luck that much..learned it the hard way...mostly because i ended up losing over 30 silvers.
Sorry, if you took the post as something else.

You are free to do it how you want. =)


ill say this tho i may not agree with your comments but you right on the money with that signature of yours



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[sirrokr]

On 2007-12-14 20:26, Randomness wrote:

Its easier to make it random than not. MUCH easier.



That is only half true. The only reason it is easier to make it "random" is because the algorithm for the supposedly random number generator was written decades ago by some mathematician, and is included in every development kit for every programming language commonly available. For example, in C/C++ it is as simple as calling the function "rnd()" and capturing the return value. (Assuming of course you have included the necessary math modules/headers.) And even then, you still have to write your own algorithms to convert the random number (between 0 and 1) into a usable number within the range you need.

Edit: goofed on the random number generator function name




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[amtalx]

Put half your stack on red and the other half on black. You win every time!!

[Vickie]

unless that ass is unlucky n get a 0

[sirrokr]

My strategy for betting, deposit half of every free silver and bet the other half. At least that way if I go bust, I don't lose everything.

[Libram]

That's my strategy as well.