Interesting Concept for Kubara Knockoffs

[Totti]

First off let me say herein that i'm not refering to actual dedecated kubara weapons like PWand, Bil De Axe etc but the knockoffs; such as the -ics.

Well, I was musing over their use in the knockoff form for classes that usually wouldn't be able to use them. Such as, for example, a FiGunner being able to use Hyper Viprics. Now, he usually doesn't specialise in S-Rank Twins and can't use the authentic ones...But perhaps he'd be able to use the inferior Kubara variety.

If you think about it, it makes sense because if a Fortefighter wants to use a cometarac then he can go ahead, but the crappy stats+his crappy TP would make it pointless.

What do you guys think?

[Reginaldo]

I think it would be funny if knockoffs broke during battle.

[ANIMEniac]

lolol that would be JACKED up...

[Miyoko]

While it's kind of a neat idea, what about the Kubara knockoffs that are actually GOOD? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[Reginaldo]

I can see it now, it just explodes and kills you instantly xD.

[mvffin]

what i dont like is that a lot of the newer kubara weapons are useless in every way shape or form. most of the older ones had SOMEZTHING going for them, either high pp, high accuracy, high attack, or grinds very well. but now most of them are just waste of time. hyper vipric? twin tornadoc? arb maganac? and whats worse is people actually make things like this.

[Lineek]

I think the only reason they make em is when you put the board in the last material is:
??? now it will recognise both par walna and kabura wood so they probably started it not knowing and then pow they see a viperic instead of a viper....

if you stop a synth you loose the materials put in to it so they probably just let it run

[CelestialBlade]

It's like Kroger-brand food, only this time it actually sucks.

[DragonStorm]

Knockoff Kubara's need to be NURFED! I hate them all >.> True kubara FTW!

[DragonStorm]

Knockoff Kubara's need to be NURFED! I hate them all >.> True kubara FTW!

[Aviva]

On 2008-01-16 06:16, Typheros wrote:
It's like Kroger-brand food, only this time it actually sucks.

Kroger dent and bent canned foods LOL

[majan]

generally,knockoff kubara weapons are 100% useless. there are a handful(and I mean a HANDFUL) that,when grinded, are the superior weapon. otherwise,they are just for novelty. however, when the expansion came, it was said that the 10% PA penalty on kubara melee weapons was removed,so they would be just like normal weapons besides different stats. then,when the rod buff was introduced along with the slicer nerf and S rank knux and twin claws for wartechers,it was said that kubara melee weapons would not only not have a PA penalty anymore,but a bonus.

since I have nothing to do,I will test this.

[Ryoki]

I think, that since you're illegally altering weapons, you should be able to customize it. Like I could right "Badass" across the handle of my Ohsobrac, or paint flames on a B'duki Maganac. And maybe, add a dark aura to my Crimsic. I mean, you f'd up the weapon, and usually people customize things like computers and things when they decide to void their warranty.

[Totti]

Exactly. I'd love to put an inscription on my Ank Dedda so that when people asked which one was mine i could say:

"It's the one that says BAD MUTHAFUCKA" http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[Chuck_Norris]

On 2008-01-16 00:55, Reginaldo wrote:
I can see it now, it just explodes and kills you instantly xD.



Win. Thread over.

[Jainsea]

Yea since they are knock offs/illegal copies, maybe the classes
that can use that weapon in A rank, get the S rank Kubara now.
It would be neat, but only the kockoffs! Not the stand alone good ones ! but some ppl will say"Stay outa ma S ranks!" oh well cant make everyone happy http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[Ffuzzy-Logik]

On 2008-01-15 23:40, Totti wrote:

If you think about it, it makes sense because if a Fortefighter wants to use a cometarac then he can go ahead, but the crappy stats+his crappy TP would make it pointless.

The level 0 cap on techs wouldn't help either.

[RemiusTA]

On 2008-01-15 23:46, Reginaldo wrote:
I think it would be funny if knockoffs broke during battle.



that would be fucking hillarious.

Like you randomly take 2000 damage as your photon reactor asplodes and your PP goes to 0

[Totti]

Yep. And if you wanted the weapon back you had to take it to KESLA VASLA and pay a certain amount of meseta depending on the extent of damage / How long you used it for after it was busted.

[Sinue_v2]

On 2008-01-15 23:46, Reginaldo wrote:
I think it would be funny if knockoffs broke during battle.



That's actually a decent idea. Allow knockoffs of rare weapons easily available so that people who want to play around with them can have access to them almost immediately - however reduce their stats (perhaps even further below what they currently are but not to the point of being completely useless), remove all special effects/status effects, ungrindable, and have them break after a certain period of use.

[Xaeris]

On 2008-01-16 15:04, Ffuzzy-Logik wrote:

On 2008-01-15 23:40, Totti wrote:

If you think about it, it makes sense because if a Fortefighter wants to use a cometarac then he can go ahead, but the crappy stats+his crappy TP would make it pointless.

The level 0 cap on techs wouldn't help either.



Technically (lol, I made a pun), it's a 1 cap. If an fT with a Lv 40 Foie changes to, say, FI, Foie will be restricted to Level 1 in the Photon Arts menu. The thing that keeps non techers from using techs in any capacity is the inability to use teching weapons.

But hey, I'll take a level 1 Reverser, no problem.

[Mikura]

On 2008-01-16 20:31, Sinue_v2 wrote:

On 2008-01-15 23:46, Reginaldo wrote:
I think it would be funny if knockoffs broke during battle.



That's actually a decent idea. Allow knockoffs of rare weapons easily available so that people who want to play around with them can have access to them almost immediately - however reduce their stats (perhaps even further below what they currently are but not to the point of being completely useless), remove all special effects/status effects, ungrindable, and have them break after a certain period of use.



I really don't like that idea. Unless we're only talking about the A rank Kubaras. Something like ohh..a Vish Adac for example, I would NOT want to break on me...unless when you went to repair it, it kept it's elemental %.

Still, I don't see what the point is having them break except for novelty. People hardly use Kubara weapons as it is, much less if they broke too.

[Retehi]

Just take your broken stuff to Charsi, Halbu, or whoever, and you'll be fine.

Er, wait. . .

[SJW89]

On 2008-01-16 01:21, mvffin wrote:
what i dont like is that a lot of the newer kubara weapons are useless in every way shape or form. most of the older ones had SOMEZTHING going for them, either high pp, high accuracy, high attack, or grinds very well. but now most of them are just waste of time. hyper vipric? twin tornadoc? arb maganac? and whats worse is people actually make things like this.



Arb Maganac isn't useless if you grind it...

[EngelBlut]

On 2008-01-17 03:37, SJW89 wrote:

On 2008-01-16 01:21, mvffin wrote:
what i dont like is that a lot of the newer kubara weapons are useless in every way shape or form. most of the older ones had SOMEZTHING going for them, either high pp, high accuracy, high attack, or grinds very well. but now most of them are just waste of time. hyper vipric? twin tornadoc? arb maganac? and whats worse is people actually make things like this.



Arb Maganac isn't useless if you grind it...

nor is the b'duki maganac.. even tho the arb isnt that great i have yet to run out of pp with it (bulletsave fortgun >.>) its recharge is something like 12pt i think something rediculis like that

[Akaimizu]

Weapons breaking during use. In this system that normally equals (not used). Diablo was good for weapon breaks due to simple repair procedures, and/or the fact that Diablo had a million and 1 different weapons and that a weapon loss was no big deal. It's constant rewarding system always meant that a better score was always around the corner.

[Angelo]

On 2008-01-16 21:50, Retehi wrote:
Just take your broken stuff to Charsi, Halbu, or whoever, and you'll be fine.

Er, wait. . .



It's sad that I got that.

[HyperShot-X-]

Are kubara S rank imitations really that useless? I mean I've been thinking Two-Headed Ragnuc with cool ice flames would be so cool...or is it just me? :/

[majan]

On 2008-01-16 21:50, Retehi wrote:
Just take your broken stuff to Charsi, Halbu, or whoever, and you'll be fine.

Er, wait. . .



where is the rouge encampment lobby?....

[mvffin]

i think they should make kubara versions of items and other things.

scape dolc

lol

[Smallredbox]

Scape dolc - "A doll that dies in the place of its user, alledgedly."

[Sinue_v2]

I really don't like that idea. Unless we're only talking about the A rank Kubaras. Something like ohh..a Vish Adac for example, I would NOT want to break on me...unless when you went to repair it, it kept it's elemental %.

Well the idea is that they're easy to get. Like, say, bought from a store or a Kubara outpost. Hell, maybe from Kubara itself if they ever add the town in. Perhaps as a late-game lobby, much like the Casino. You could buy the boards to make yourself, or maybe just buy them outright. So even if you lost a weapon, it'd be easy enough to get ahold of again.

But, on the realistic side, weapon degradation has never really been a good idea in games so it would only harm the game to have them degrade/break.

[MSAksion]

I think the best idea was the one where 10* Kubara versions are usable by people restricted by A ranks only.

Like the 10* Hyper Viperics - let that be used by Fortegunners and Figunners who cannot really equip the Hyper VIPER GRM 10* dualies. Let them have a weapon that LOOKS like a 10* but it doesn't have the special effects hehe.

Its like "LIKES". They LIKE the real NIKES.

[Addark]

On 2008-01-17 09:59, HyperShot-X- wrote:
Are kubara S rank imitations really that useless? I mean I've been thinking Two-Headed Ragnuc with cool ice flames would be so cool...or is it just me? :/

Ragnucs have no flames.

[EngelBlut]

On 2008-01-17 17:52, Addark wrote:

On 2008-01-17 09:59, HyperShot-X- wrote:
Are kubara S rank imitations really that useless? I mean I've been thinking Two-Headed Ragnuc with cool ice flames would be so cool...or is it just me? :/

Ragnucs have no flames.

all kubara "knock-offs" have no effect of the sort.. like the kubara tenora a-rank pistols dont shoot "bullets"

[Sgt_Shligger]

On 2008-01-17 16:32, Sinue_v2 wrote:

I really don't like that idea. Unless we're only talking about the A rank Kubaras. Something like ohh..a Vish Adac for example, I would NOT want to break on me...unless when you went to repair it, it kept it's elemental %.

Well the idea is that they're easy to get. Like, say, bought from a store or a Kubara outpost. Hell, maybe from Kubara itself if they ever add the town in. Perhaps as a late-game lobby, much like the Casino. You could buy the boards to make yourself, or maybe just buy them outright. So even if you lost a weapon, it'd be easy enough to get ahold of again.

But, on the realistic side, weapon degradation has never really been a good idea in games so it would only harm the game to have them degrade/break.



Maybe, instead of giving the Kubara copies a tendency to break, give them unreasonably high PP usage. Sure, it's just a step down from an S rank but it consumes an unprecedented amount of photon points that you might just be inclined to get the real thing and switch classes. Hell, it even lacks the cool auars and bullets and effects and the like.

On a side note, Kubara copies for S ranks are probably intended to be bad because it's easier to get Kubara Wood in place of the S rank woods.