A few of my questions

[Stefanhizzle]

So i quit a while back, about a week before the 1-up cup started..
And now im back. and everything is Crazy and im super confused.

So just answer a few of my questions if ya would to clear things up..

How come nothing is worth anything anymore.. unless its an S rank.
Why did a Black heart go from like 1.3-5 mil to about 4-5 mil??
Why does everyone hate Rappy suits? i think there are AWESOME!!! lol
Where is the Freakin Casino?!?!
Why do Whips suck so much?


feel free to add any other things i need to know, to play AOTI


thanks!



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[Hath_Wrobo]

1-up cup and new missions drop a lot of mats and a rank boards, so synthing them is much easier and more common now

There are two items called Black Heart, the unit and the 11 star saber

Everyone use to wear the suits and the chirping noise kind of gets on people's nerves

Freakin Casino is after De lo re on Moatoob

They don't really suck, they hit a lot of targets and can status effect.



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[Mudkips]

1.)Nobody really wants them otherwise.. S weapons are only for show anymore. The more you have, the cooler you are.
2.) Rare.
3.) Most little kids have them.
4.) Moatoob.
5.) Duh, they're whips. Techers are suppose to use TECHS, not whips.

kthxbai.



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[VanHalen]

On 2008-01-21 12:44, Stefanhizzle wrote:

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Why does everyone hate Rappy suits? i think there are AWESOME!!! lol

Three reasons
1. Personal preference
2. That day when people decided to spam hackers in rappy suits
3. Some people try to be annoying while wearing them.

I think they are cool as well



Where is the Freakin Casino?!?!

Right after the De rol le mission. Take the missions that bring you to the ice lobby on Moatoob. And do the mission there and the one after it.



Why do Whips suck so much?

Well damage wise they suck and the way some people use them also make them suck. If used for there SE they aren't that bad.








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[Stefanhizzle]

lol.. ok

thanks.
Yeah i was talkin bout the Extra Slot item, The Blackheart weapon isnt really worth that much is it?

[JAFO22000]

On 2008-01-21 12:44, Stefanhizzle wrote:
So i quit a while back, about a week before the 1-up cup started..
And now im back. and everything is Crazy and im super confused.

So just answer a few of my questions if ya would to clear things up..

How come nothing is worth anything anymore.. unless its an S rank.
Why did a Black heart go from like 1.3-5 mil to about 4-5 mil??


Supply and demand curve. Lots of S rank prices dropped due to more supply.



Why does everyone hate Rappy suits? i think there are AWESOME!!! lol

Try standing in universe 1 on the 360 during the last week of 1up. There was so much spam and squeeking going on I will literally punch anyone with a rappy suit on! (seriously, they are a novelty item and the novelty wore off).



Where is the Freakin Casino?!?!


Moatoob. Just go the the travel crystal on a populated universe and ask someone for a ride.



Why do Whips suck so much?


Whips don't suck. People who use whips suck.



feel free to add any other things i need to know, to play AOTI


thanks!



You are welcome.

[Mikura]

Whips really don't suck in my opinion. >_> I'm not just talking about the SE either. They're great against bosses with all those yummy hit-boxes.

[cel]

On 2008-01-21 12:44, Stefanhizzle wrote:
1. Why does everyone hate Rappy suits? i think there are AWESOME!!! lol
2. Where is the Freakin Casino?!?!
3. Why do Whips suck so much?



1. Dunno! Personally i find the "squeak squeak squeak" sound they make while walking being the highlight.

2. Here's how you get there via mission sequences. In moatoob, pick the mission that says Tunnel. Finish that one and on the other side, pick the one that says Caves. Finally, once you emerge from the Caves, pick the one that says Awoken and have fun with that boss. Think of it like combining a hyper-annoying flying boss AI with game mechanics that give you an far easier time of doing the most damage to enemies on foot... and you'll have an idea of just how bad this guy is.

Tunnel > Caves > Awoken Serpent.

3. Low attack. Most people don't realize that whips aren't meant for all out maximum DPS. They're meant for support as they have a fairly good rate of imposing a status effect on targets you hit with it. That said, the animation for it is kinda cool, but gets a little cheesy when you do the PA as a female. It starts to look like you're doing that thing highly talented chinese girls do in those circuses with... uh I forget what they're called. Rope-like thingies but colorful and not a rope at all.

[gryphonvii]

ribbon, and you can lay waste to a crowd if you do it right

[MSAksion]

1) How come nothing is worth anything anymore.. unless its an S rank.

Cause everyone has dozens and dozens of 9* Muktrands all 10% to 30% just sitting in their PM.
There are no "newbies" who need 2* to 8*weapons. Why use an Eight Star when a lvl 30 can use a 9*?
Its so ridiculous how the requirements for Basic weaponry are messed up.

I would have set it up like... to use a 7* weapon you must be level 70 and above. So that atl east you're FORCED to use the crappy stuff for a short while.

2) Why did a Black heart go from like 1.3-5 mil to about 4-5 mil??

Saber or the Unit? The Saber should go back down when Tylor starts dropping it like candy in the 2nd story mission.

3) Why does everyone hate Rappy suits? i think there are AWESOME!!! lol

XD my friend started chasing that hacker in his suit and he called all of us to help him take photographic evidence of the hacker's crimes against the laws of physics hehe.

4) Where is the Freakin Casino?!?!

already answered

5) Why do Whips suck so much?

Its a TECH weapon - slap an enemy a few times with a PA NOT the normal attack. a TECHER shouldn't be meleeing all the time only when enemies have come into melee range. Slap one PA Attack then run away after the status had landed. Move to safe ARTILLERY RANGE and let loose with TECH explosives.

Oh come on the Bow, Card fan and Whip are very very situational backup Force Weaponry. Thats why they level up so fast cause were supposed to TECH the whole time.

[Laranas]

I don't hate rappy suits, I just hate the people who wear them and spam rappy macros all mission.

[Oniko]

On 2008-01-21 12:44, Stefanhizzle wrote:
Why do Whips suck so much?


They don't, you're just using them for all the wrong reasons. Outside of boss battles, never touch a whip unless you want the status effect, or it's a giant mob that loves to cluster together and never moves apart(booma's come to mind)

During boss battles, Vivi Danga and a Shadoog make a wonderful damage combination. Five targets and plenty of range that you can use it even while De Regan/Ragnus is walking. I haven't done extensive testing to actually say it's the ultimate dragon killer, but without a doubt it gives Majarra a run for it's money, not to mention Majarra got old so fast, and I avoid using it at all costs because of the spammage in 1up... =.=;

For damage it's only good in boss battles due to their tendency to have very large numbers of targets. Other than that it is a support weapon. Not once, however, have I heard a complaint after silencing a mob of Vanda's.

Most importantly, however, they give you the ability to make yourself the entire party's Mistress/Master. ^.~

[EngelBlut]

On 2008-01-21 18:54, Oniko wrote:

On 2008-01-21 12:44, Stefanhizzle wrote:
Why do Whips suck so much?


They don't, you're just using them for all the wrong reasons. Outside of boss battles, never touch a whip unless you want the status effect, or it's a giant mob that loves to cluster together and never moves apart(booma's come to mind)

During boss battles, Vivi Danga and a Shadoog make a wonderful damage combination. Five targets and plenty of range that you can use it even while De Regan/Ragnus is walking. I haven't done extensive testing to actually say it's the ultimate dragon killer, but without a doubt it gives Majarra a run for it's money, not to mention Majarra got old so fast, and I avoid using it at all costs because of the spammage in 1up... =.=;

For damage it's only good in boss battles due to their tendency to have very large numbers of targets. Other than that it is a support weapon. Not once, however, have I heard a complaint after silencing a mob of Vanda's.

Most importantly, however, they give you the ability to make yourself the entire party's Mistress/Master. ^.~

yes i was waiting for someone to say that
my wife likes them cuz theres so meny pervy things she can say about them.. i gave her one and none stop bondage jokes and what not

[AlphaMinotaux]

Whips do AMAZING damage to bosses. Just get a high percent element and each hit of the PA hits for over 1000 minimum to 6 targets, then the second part of the PA hits for 1500 to 6 targets also. Course I'm cast, humans and beasts can do it easily not so sure about newman.

http://img32.picoodle.com/img/img32/4/1/21/f_whipPAm_545da1a.jpg (http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img=/4/1/21/f_whipPAm_545da1a.jpg&srv=img32)

Its the best melee Boss Killer weapon acrotecher have.

[Mikura]

On 2008-01-21 19:18, AlphaMinotaux wrote:
Whips do AMAZING damage to bosses. Just get a high percent element and each hit of the PA hits for over 1000 minimum to 6 targets, then the second part of the PA hits for 1500 to 6 targets also. Course I'm cast, humans and beasts can do it easily not so sure about newman.

http://img32.picoodle.com/img/img32/4/1/21/f_whipPAm_545da1a.jpg (http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img=/4/1/21/f_whipPAm_545da1a.jpg&srv=img32)

Its the best melee Boss Killer weapon acrotecher have.



I'm not sure Newmans can reach those numbers. I usually average around 600ish on the first hit and 1000-1100 on the second hit of Vivi Danga as Newman and I use an SPS too. Oh, and I'm lvl 103, AT 15.

Of course, my whips are in the 30s so maybe if I had higher % ones, it could be possible.

Also, are we talking about Acrotecher damage or Wartecher damage? WT can use whips too and I could definitely see them hitting for big numbers with Vivi Danga. But AT ATP is pretty low compared to every other class.

[Laranas]

On 2008-01-21 19:30, Mikura wrote:
Also, are we talking about Acrotecher damage or Wartecher damage? WT can use whips too and I could definitely see them hitting for big numbers with Vivi Danga. But AT ATP is pretty low compared to every other class.
As a person who's gotten almost every class to 15, AT ATP isn't as far behind other classes as you think.

As a human male, my AT would be at 976 ATP if I switched. WT would be at 1102. That's a mere 126 ATP between the two. (At Lv120, Lv15 class)

[AlphaMinotaux]

On 2008-01-21 19:30, Mikura wrote:

On 2008-01-21 19:18, AlphaMinotaux wrote:
Whips do AMAZING damage to bosses. Just get a high percent element and each hit of the PA hits for over 1000 minimum to 6 targets, then the second part of the PA hits for 1500 to 6 targets also. Course I'm cast, humans and beasts can do it easily not so sure about newman.

http://img32.picoodle.com/img/img32/4/1/21/f_whipPAm_545da1a.jpg (http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img=/4/1/21/f_whipPAm_545da1a.jpg&srv=img32)

Its the best melee Boss Killer weapon acrotecher have.



I'm not sure Newmans can reach those numbers. I usually average around 600ish on the first hit and 1000-1100 on the second hit of Vivi Danga as Newman and I use an SPS too. Oh, and I'm lvl 103, AT 15.

Of course, my whips are in the 30s so maybe if I had higher % ones, it could be possible.

Also, are we talking about Acrotecher damage or Wartecher damage? WT can use whips too and I could definitely see them hitting for big numbers with Vivi Danga. But AT ATP is pretty low compared to every other class.



acrotecher cast, with beast it should be higher.

[Mikura]

On 2008-01-21 19:34, Laranas wrote:

On 2008-01-21 19:30, Mikura wrote:
Also, are we talking about Acrotecher damage or Wartecher damage? WT can use whips too and I could definitely see them hitting for big numbers with Vivi Danga. But AT ATP is pretty low compared to every other class.
As a person who's gotten almost every class to 15, AT ATP isn't as far behind other classes as you think.

As a human male, my AT would be at 976 ATP if I switched. WT would be at 1102. That's a mere 126 ATP between the two. (At Lv120, Lv15 class)



126 seems like a lot to me. But it's not as big a gap as I had thought either. I'll probably never touch WT so thanks for sharing this with me. ;p


acrotecher cast, with beast it should be higher.

Ah, well that's a big difference then. I'm newman and female on top of that, so the ATP gap is pretty big.





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[Laranas]

Well you need to also consider that WT support is capped at Lv20, which means our buffs give 14%. AT has Lv40 buffs, which give 24% of the stat. Also, WT doesn't have S whips. The difference between Vish Adan and Vish Tien is about 35 ATP ungrinded, but I'd imagine that AT and WT whip damage can be around the same - if they were solo'ing. On the other side of the coin, WT get that extra 10% in ATP and ATA from Lv30 skills.

Either way, it's a darn good weapon for crowds, especially for bosses.



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[Mikura]

On 2008-01-21 19:47, Laranas wrote:
Well you need to also consider that WT support is capped at Lv20, which means our buffs give 14%. AT has Lv40 buffs, which give 24% of the stat. Also, WT doesn't have S whips. The difference between Vish Adan and Vish Tien is about 35 ATP ungrinded, but I'd imagine that AT and WT whip damage can be around the same - if they were solo'ing. On the other side of the coin, WT get that extra 10% in ATP and ATA from Lv30 skills.

Either way, it's a darn good weapon for crowds, especially for bosses.



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Agreed. It's not meant to be a huge damage-dealing weapon but for what it was designed for, it's great. Crowded mobs, large mobs with multiple hit-boxes, and bosses are situations where a whip especially shines though.

Even with the low ATP of whips, once we get lvl 20 jobs and increased character lvls past 120, I can see whips becoming pretty fierce. Still not on par with other melee weapons in damage but adequate nonetheless.