Is Gigushline still a viable solution to swords?

[SATatami]

I remember, back in the day... Gigushlines were insane. They could almost match the damage of a caliburn, but, being cheaper to synth, you could quite easily make 100 of them in attempts to get 50%'s.... Is that still a good idea, or what? I heard set bonuses were nerfed, so I honestly don't know.

[Hank]

Nah stick with Tenora A rank swords. Materials are everywhere now so they shouldn't be a problem.

[pikachief]

my friend was actualyl able to compare theirs to HUGE CUtter's O.o

not anymore though http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif lol

[SATatami]

On 2008-01-25 22:09, Hank wrote:
Nah stick with Tenora A rank swords. Materials are everywhere now so they shouldn't be a problem.



Tenora A ranks have such horrid pp though... I can use gravity break like, 4 times, then I gotta either photon charge or switch to a different weapon... >_> and the ATP isn't THAT much higher then, say, Caliburn.

[beatrixkiddo]

Then use Caliburns ;3

[SATatami]

On 2008-01-25 22:19, beatrixkiddo wrote:
Then use Caliburns ;3



Caliburns aren't KEWL tho D: I wan luk liek 1337 hax. But seriously... Hmm... Caliburn and Soda Riban stats...

Calburn
Base: Atp+ 730, PP= 336.
Grinded+10: Atp+ 824, PP=436

Soda Riban (Almost unattainable at this point. >_>;)
Base: Atp+ 803, PP= 235
Grinded+10: Atp+ 984, PP= 314

Hmm... I doubt I'd ever get it to +10, but, that 73 ATP doesn't mean so much to me as the -100 PP. Sometimes, PP>ATP, due to skills boosts. I'd only be able to Grav Break 4 times on that Tenora Sword... Does it really have anything I don't know about that makes it WORTH it?

[beatrixkiddo]

Awesome looks, but that's about it.

[Laranas]

Gravity Break Lv40: 420% ATP Mod
73 x 4.2 = 306.6 ATP
160 x 4.2 = 672 ATP

That's the only thing I can see going for it... That's a nice Fortetecher in damage between the two atp mods if grinded 10/10.

[SATatami]

Gravity Break :25 PP? It does for me right now. Given that fact....

Base Caliburn: 730 x 420%= 3066 ATP. 336/25= 13 uses. 3066 x 13= 39,858
Base Soda Riban: 803 x 420%= 3373 ATP. 235/25= 9 uses. 3373 x 9= 30,357

And that is exactly why I don't usually use Tenora.

[Chaosgyro]

Sure...if you PA spam constantly. That calculation is going to be fudged to the point of uselessness if you make use of JA PP regen in multiple target situations where Gravity Break wouldn't be of much use anyway.

edit: I fail to see how the Gigush would have been better by your reasoning as it has even less PP than Tenora swords.

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[SATatami]

triple post. =X

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[SATatami]

damn lag D:


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[SATatami]

Yeah, I usually PA spam till I run on empty, then switch to another weapon or use a charge. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif I'm a constant PA leveler. =X But I'm not stupid enough to Gravity Strike a mob of Ageeta or something... >_>

[Chaosgyro]

You know, I always thought that if you doubled or tripled a mob's hp in one hit (like GB to an ageeta's head let's say...) then it should explode in some Ninja Scroll-esque spray of blood and squishy bits. Perhaps it could be followed by some sort of gloating animation where you give everyone/thing the finger like Homer from the Simpson's movie.

[SJW89]

Regardless of what everyone says, I've actually tested this.

I took my 50% light Soda Joggi+6/8 and tested it against 50% light Gigush+10/10 and Gigush Line on my Lv50 character.

Soda Joggi: 2,899 damage maximum
Gigush: 2780 damage maximum

As your level goes up, the difference in damage between the two will become less dramatic, but the gigush never actually surpasses the Soda Joggi.

[SATatami]

Ahh. So Gigush is still a viable option then... my Joggi is 6/6, but it's easy enough to make Gigushes of 50% of every elements, way more so than a Soda Joggi, or Riban. Not bad, and thanks for the info.

[SJW89]

Yeah, my test is with gravity break by the way, so actually...the gigush has the potential to be stronger than the Soda Joggi with Tornado Break, because of the less exaggerated dependence on ATP.

I would provide some results if my xbox wasn't broken down right now http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

[SATatami]

Just tested it myself on enemies at LL. Ungrinded lightning gigush... It was doing similar damage to my chainsawd. Granted that it gains a good 300 ATP grinded to +10, I think it just MIGHT be a solution, powerwise. Also with gravity break. It is i indeed a viable option for those who want to be able to nuke every element with a sword. Thanks, SJ. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

EDIT: AND IT'S EFFING CHEAP TOO.

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[SJW89]

Yeah definitely, cheaper than a 46% dark Huge Cutter 3/10 for 6,000,000 meseta >.>

[SATatami]

Only 6m? >_> Hrmm... That's hella cheap. o.O

[SJW89]

I actually lost that sword in a trade along with 22,000,000 meseta for my first Agito Repca board, which came out 14% light and resold for 18,000,000 after wasting 1,500,000 on grinders to get it to 5/5. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif



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[SATatami]

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x133/satatami/itbegins.jpg

It BEGINS.

[SATatami]

On 2008-01-26 06:05, SJW89 wrote:
Niiiice, congrats, fast-acting intelligent player. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_eek.gif

Nice to see someone besides me cares about percentages http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif



I normally don't. >_>

[SJW89]

Niiiice, congrats, fast-acting intelligent player. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_eek.gif

Nice to see someone besides me cares about percentages http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[SJW89]

-.-

[SATatami]

On 2008-01-26 06:12, SJW89 wrote:
-.-



If it's something THAT cheap to make, you might as well go all out. Am I right?

[SJW89]

Yeah, you are

[SATatami]

I now have 222 gigushes, lol. Gonna give em to my friend as PM food. XD

[SATatami]

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x133/satatami/itbegins2.jpg

IT CONTINUES.

[EngelBlut]

i care about weapon %.... but i see i dont count im on the 360

[DAMASCUS]

Given that Gravity Break has such a low ATA mod that would be the only thing I would wonder about. Tenora swords also have more ATA which helps, but how much is the accuracy bonus from the Gigush set?

[EngelBlut]

i think it was 30%

[SATatami]

At Reina's level (100), Accuracy really doesn't matter all that much... >_>; But if you're a lower level, then sure, you're going to miss... and miss... and miss again...

[Shiryuu]

On 2008-01-26 19:54, DAMASCUS wrote:
Given that Gravity Break has such a low ATA mod that would be the only thing I would wonder about. Tenora swords also have more ATA which helps, but how much is the accuracy bonus from the Gigush set?


http://www.pso-world.com/items/psu/1/9/gigush/

It only gains 18 ATA from the set.

[SATatami]

Alright. Time for screens.

Okay, here's my damage with a 0/10 10% ice caliburn...

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x133/satatami/damagetestcaliburn.jpg

And with a 5/5 30% fire soda joggi...

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x133/satatami/damagetestsodajoggi.jpg

Now, for a 50% 8/8 dark gigush.

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x133/satatami/damagetestdarkgigush.jpg

AS you can see, it's not bad, not bad at all. Now for applying elemental %...

Damage for a 6/6 47% lightning chainsawd.

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x133/satatami/damagetestchainsawd.jpg

And finally a 50% lightning 6/6 gigush.

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x133/satatami/damagetestlightninggigush.jpg

Yes. It's stronger than chainsawd. This damage is all for the first hit of level 16 gravity break. As you can see, gigush is a viable option for those who want to do better damage for cheap. But you still can't beat a 50% of a caliburn/soda joggi. >_>

Also, on the note of accuracy, I've noted no problems with it other than gravbreak's normal misses...

btw, none of these were just attacked or critted.

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