AotI: Prestac: The hax wand. Not anymore...

[Shiryuu]

http://www.pso-world.com/items/psu/1/2857/prestac/
8* Kubara wand
999 TP at 10/10
Recovers 9 PP per tick

92% To synth on pure tech PM.

Recently released in JP, in the kubara shop. This thing annihilates even a fully grinded Okarod. Will there be any point in using anything else? Discuss.

See: Post (http://www.pso-world.com/viewtopic.php?topic=168588&forum=22&start=45&60#59)

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[Rayokarna]

WTF, no freaking way.

[Silver_Wyrm]

only 8* too, makes me kinda sad, only thing I see surpassing it is psycho wand..

[Hrith]

Yeah, that one's really stupid... again.

[Silver_Wyrm]

just read its in kubara shop too, so gonna be easy to obtain as well as smashing every toher S-ranks (even fi it isnt 10/10 its still easily competitive, I can more oft then not get 7/7 on A's pretty easy)

[Shiryuu]

On 2008-01-31 03:58, Silver_Wyrm wrote:
only 8* too, makes me kinda sad, only thing I see surpassing it is psycho wand..


Gao rod at 10/10 beats it, not by much though (31 TP >_> ).

[Skuda]

I don't even use techs and I'm a bit sickened. An easily obtainable 10/10 wand being the third best in tech, for ALL casting weapons. Seems like ST is a bit daft with their math.

[Hrith]

On 2008-01-31 04:06, Shiryuu wrote:
Gao rod at 10/10 beats it, not by much though (31 TP >_> ).Rods have a damage and elemental boost, though, so at equal TP, the rod will significantly outdamage the wand.

Prestac is retarded for classes that cannot use rods who can now rival the damage of a Fortetecher.


Oh yeah, if you have one, send us a pic =P



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[Shiryuu]

Very few people would have multiple gao rods and psycho wands at high grinds to begin with. There's also the fact that wands cast way faster than a rod.

And no, don't be anymore of a jackass Hrith.

[Hrith]

When was I a jackass? =/

A Psycho Wand at +0 would outdamage a Prestac +10, but I was not trying to say rods are still better or something like that. I was just pointing out your mistake.

I agree there's little point in using anything else, unless you're lucky to own a Psycho Wand (although on PC/PS2, a good 75% of the FTs I have seen do own one >_>).

It will be an amazing weapon for WT, GT and AT, now they can actually deal decent damage with attack techs.

The thing even has good PP -_-;

[Shiryuu]

Btw, it is 92% synth rate on a pure Tech PM.

[Silver_Wyrm]

On 2008-01-31 04:36, Shiryuu wrote:
Btw, it is 92% synth rate on a pure Tech PM.


so let s get this all straight.
Store bought, obtainability difficulty nil.
A-rank, useable by any wand user
With above, moderately easy to grind to 10, or at least 7 (wihcih is 785 tp there)
very high synth rate.
-.- sega...

Know what its synth mats are? I at least hope theres something hard to obtain in them, because so afr its just silly

[Shiryuu]

Just the same mats as any kubara knockoff.

[Skuda]

I kinda wish there were some knockoff melee weapons like this. :]

[panzer_unit]

On 2008-01-31 04:14, Hrith wrote:
Rods have a damage and elemental boost, though, so at equal TP, the rod will significantly outdamage the wand.

This. By the same logic a rod with LESS TP will still outdamage the wand. Just less significantly.

I think it's great ST's got some stuff going on that will make attack techs useful for non-fortetechers. That's pretty much the complaint all my WT and AT friends have about their jobs, they get attack techs to 30 but they're just not good enough. A powerhouse wand like prestac and some of the unreleased tech-effect units might make the difference.

[erickarim]

i really hope is cool looking http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

i have not been very happy lately. since the last lvl cap didn't do much for me. ( my damage difference is just a few 30-50 damage on grinded psycho + stc + lvl 40 dambarta, and some +200 damage on diga). so thankfully we get a high power wand.

[Hrith]

Can you tell us the PP regen?

[Shiryuu]

On 2008-01-31 08:19, erickarim wrote:
i really hope is cool looking http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif


It looks like the 8* GRM wand without the markings.

On 2008-01-31 08:43, Hrith wrote:
Can you tell us the PP regen?


See first post.



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[erickarim]

LOL. terrible. i hate how to grm looks...

[rogue_robot]

I think this more or less has something to do with the craptastic teching abilities of CAST and Beast Techers...
Though this is a positively horrible way to try and remedy the problem...

On a side note, I hope it has the high PP regen in offline - I've seen the board, getting a tech PM won't be a problem, and I like playing HUnters/RAngers who rely to some extent on techs...

[MSAksion]

Okay i am VERY disappointed.

To make up for the horrendous stats of a ForteTecher our TECH power is supreme and off the scale right?

Well get an Acrotecher or a Wartecher with this new kubara wand grind it up and now they with double speed of wand vs rod, everyone else can do more damage still than the supreme Master of Magic class?

I have no Gao Rod, Psycho Wand, or Kazarod so my best is a halarod - and only because im Newman can i even weild it. And my Grinded HowRods blow my Halarods away. This is very disturbing how an EIGHT Star WAND can blow away or nearly compete with S rank stuff like a 11* KAZAROD or a 12* PSYCHO.

[Umberger]

The hax wand indeed. Thing looks pretty ridiculous.

[Zorafim]

Guys, +20% when using rods. Wands are still junk comparatively.

[Umberger]

On 2008-01-31 11:47, Zorafim wrote:
Guys, +20% when using rods. Wands are still junk comparatively.



Did we ever figure out what the +20% was to exactly? Like, would a 200% TP TECHNIC become a 220% (+20%) or 240% (i.e. 120% of the original modifier) or what?

Also Zora, compare the rarity of the rods that do outclass this with how easy it is to just go buy the board and a ton of A+10s.

[panzer_unit]

On 2008-01-31 11:52, Umberger wrote:
Did we ever figure out what the +20% was to exactly? Like, would a 200% TP TECHNIC become a 220% (+20%) or 240% (i.e. 120% of the original modifier) or what?


No, nobody ever figured it out. It's so much easier to have a fit all over PSOW every day about how the game's getting destroyed by some new piece of ST's bungling than spend a couple minutes figuring out how to do the most damage with your character.

It would be pretty easy to tell using some low-rank gear (e.g. for equal TP or just a tiny difference) to cast the same attack tech. I bet it's 20% to total TP since that's the way all other % mods work.

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[amtalx]

On 2008-01-31 11:52, Umberger wrote:

Also Zora, compare the rarity of the rods that do outclass this with how easy it is to just go buy the board and a ton of A+10s S+10s.



Fixed. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[SolomonGrundy]

On 2008-01-31 12:01, panzer_unit wrote:
On 2008-01-31 11:52, Umberger wrote:
Did we ever figure out what the +20% was to exactly? Like, would a 200% TP TECHNIC become a 220% (+20%) or 240% (i.e. 120% of the original modifier) or what?


No, nobody ever figured it out. It's so much easier to have a fit all over PSOW every day about how the game's getting destroyed by some new piece of ST's bungling than spend a couple minutes figuring out how to do the most damage with your character.

It would be pretty easy to tell using some low-rank gear (e.g. for equal TP or just a tiny difference) to cast the same attack tech. I bet it's 20% to total TP since that's the way all other % mods work.

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yes they most certainly figured it out. it's easy.

step 1. use any level tech mapped to a wand. (on tech only - zero elemental bonus)

Step 2. use the same tech on a lower rank, or ungrinded rod.

step 3. compare damage

doing this for a lower rank wand/rod, and a higher rank rod/wad will give you the slope of the line (whihc should be linear). I'm fairly sure this was a flat 20% damage bonus given AFTER element. So, if your 4% elemental wand did 2000 damage/diga vs an opposite element enemy, it would do 2400 in a 4% elemental rod.

PS: FT are the BIGGEST BUNCH of crybabies. they do double the amount of damage any other tech user does
with techs and if any other techer gets anything good (which they can also use, natch), they cry about it. I'm going to go rant about it, I think.

[panzer_unit]

On 2008-01-31 12:18, SolomonGrundy wrote:
doing this for a lower rank wand/rod, and a higher rank rod/wad will give you the slope of the line (whihc should be linear). I'm fairly sure this was a flat 20% damage bonus given AFTER element. So, if your 4% elemental wand did 2000 damage/diga vs an opposite element enemy, it would do 2400 in a 4% elemental rod.


So if you've got like 2000 base TP... I'm not sure just how high newm fT's are these days... an ungrinded Granarod w/ bonus would be just as powerful as Prestac +10.

3010 vs 2999 actually.

[Umberger]

On 2008-01-31 12:38, Reginaldo wrote:
[/whine]



I for one welcome our new, extremely strong, easy to obtain wand overlords. ¯ ( º _ o ) /¯

[Katy]

Pfft if ST is gonna be like that then just release Pyscho Wandoc a Kubara Kubara rod.

[Shiryuu]

Weird, I was testing for a bit and found out that an identical TP gao rod does tons more damage somehow even against neutral monsters.

Gao was doing 630-650 and Prestac was doing 540-560 (unlinked against opposite element). 500 vs 400 on neutral monsters.

Total TP difference after PA is actually 38 TP (Gao). It's like Prestac has the v1 PSU kubara weakness or something. Though it's possible Gao has some hidden boost, or maybe the kubara upgrade they we're talking about in the beginning only applied to "genuine" kubara products (gao, psycho, bil, etc).

Someone else will have to do more extensive testing.

EDIT: Problem solved below.



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[Umberger]

I don't think the rod boost is reflected in the item screen's TP section (pre or post PA).

[Shiryuu]

On 2008-01-31 14:49, Umberger wrote:
I don't think the rod boost is reflected in the item screen's TP section (pre or post PA).


Even so, that shouldn't matter at all against neutral monsters and if it's not linked with the same element PAs.

[Pillan]

On 2008-01-31 14:34, Shiryuu wrote:
Weird, I was testing for a bit and found out that an identical TP gao rod does tons more damage somehow even against neutral monsters.

Gao was doing 630-650 and Prestac was doing 540-560 (unlinked against opposite element). 500 vs 400 on neutral monsters.


I’m surprised anyone is surprised by that. They did boost rod damage so total TP is multiplied by 1.2. (400x1.2=480~500…) Basically, a wand/madoog would need 1.2x the rod’s TP plus .2x your base TP to compete in terms of damage.

So until we see a wand with nearly 2000 TP, rod users have nothing to worry about.



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[Inazuma]

shiryuu. a while back ST adjusted rods so they do 20% more damage. thats why gao rod is doing more. but if wands are gonna be this powerful, that 20% rod boost mite not matter in the future. can you imagine a 12 star kubara wand? i wouldnt be surprised if it does more damage than psycho wand, even w/ rod's 20% damage boost. ST is extremely poor at balance.

Fortefighter is a better ranger than Fortegunner. Its like they are repeating DC ver 1 history again. the pso veterans out there know what im talking about.

[Shiryuu]

K. I always thought it was just elemental %s. No wonder it always says 12% when I have the same element techs. -_-

Either way, I guess there's still a reason to use rods after all *goes and changes topic title*

[erickarim]

we need

> 2500 tp Rods

and

>1500 tp wands

and

>1000 tp mags

and tech with LVL OVAR NINE THOUSAND !!!!

[Hrith]

On 2008-01-31 15:17, Inazuma wrote:
shiryuu. a while back ST adjusted rods so they do 20% more damage. thats why gao rod is doing more. but if wands are gonna be this powerful, that 20% rod boost mite not matter in the future. can you imagine a 12 star kubara wand? i wouldnt be surprised if it does more damage than psycho wand, even w/ rod's 20% damage boost. ST is extremely poor at balance.Even right now, if you take wand casting speed into account, Prestac is very close to Psycho Wand.

Fortefighter is a better ranger than Fortegunner. Its like they are repeating DC ver 1 history again. the pso veterans out there know what im talking about.*dies laughing*

[erickarim]

Hrith.
dude.
Statements like that makes you look like you know little about FT. i am probably not the first one to tell you this. so u might want to start taking them into consideration.
i totally don't want to be rude to you. i am just saying.

[Chaosgyro]

On 2008-01-31 16:04, erickarim wrote:
Hrith.
dude.
...you...know...little.


Fixed.

[MrNomad]

On 2008-01-31 16:30, Chaosgyro wrote:
On 2008-01-31 16:04, erickarim wrote:
Hrith.
dude.
...you...know...little.


Fixed.

Truth, or is Chaos alittle bumhurt from one of Hriths comments? Only time will tell...http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif Hehe, msgs are fun

[SolomonGrundy]

Even right now, if you take wand casting speed into account, Prestac is very close to Psycho Wand.

You've got to be joking. Dam techs, Nos techs, and gi-techs ALL favor rods. so basically it is only Ra, and single techs that have a shot at matching Rods power.

unsuprisingly, single and ra techs are the most likely to miss. So, are you really worried that a wand user's diga is going to compare to a rod user's diga?

This is not even including the bonus TP, and increased damage modifiers FTs have over other classes that use techs makes this a COMPLETE non-issue.

Rods rule for tech damage, and FTs are by far the highest damaging tech user. End of Story.

[Gen2000]

- Yohemi products always grinded like crap. Serdote+10 had similiar TP to a Halarod. Before the Rod Boost this used to matter but after the boost, the Halarod still did way more damage. So this wand doesn't mean that much to FTs, though it will make for a nice boss weapon though.
- This is great for Cast/Beast hybrid techers, maybe it can make their resta heal 100% now even on FFs?
- Good and bad for ATs, the good: they get a kick ass wand. The bad: it's ugly and any other Srank wand is basically just reduced a buff/resta wand. Good/bad(?): Most ATs are melee based anyways so it probably doesn't matter that much to them either.

If GRM ever makes Srank wands and Kubara version of that comes out, it could knock PsychoWand out. Is this the only new Kubara weapon in shops?



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[Hrith]

On 2008-01-31 16:04, erickarim wrote:
Hrith.
dude.
Statements like that makes you look like you know little about FT. i am probably not the first one to tell you this. so u might want to start taking them into consideration.
i totally don't want to be rude to you. i am just saying.You calculate the DPS of any "non-hold" tech with Prestac +10 and Psycho Wand +0, you will realise how little you know about FTs.

Look at the figures posted above, it's a 20% difference in damage, if wands are more than 20% faster than rods, it's over for PW.

Dam and Nos techs have poor DPS to begin with, so that's hardly an advantage to rods.


It's amazing how people on those boards love to comfort one another in their mistakes >_>

[Silver_Wyrm]

On 2008-01-31 18:07, Hrith wrote:
On 2008-01-31 16:04, erickarim wrote:
Hrith.
dude.
Statements like that makes you look like you know little about FT. i am probably not the first one to tell you this. so u might want to start taking them into consideration.
i totally don't want to be rude to you. i am just saying.You calculate the DPS of any "non-hold" tech with Prestac +10 and Psycho Wand +0, you will realise how little you know about FTs.

Look at the figures posted above, it's a 20% difference in damage, if wands are more than 20% faster than rods, it's over for PW.

Dam and Nos techs have poor DPS to begin with, so that's hardly an advantage to rods.


It's amazing how people on those boards love to comfort one another in their mistakes >_>


are you sure wands are 20% faster with har quick? O.o Im playing FT now and the speed difference between rod and wand is hardly noticeable with my quick on (I can tell but barely)

[erickarim]

LOL.
since psow forum doesn't have " Blacklist " like psu. i'm just going to pretend not to be able to see any of Hrith post. i know its retarded. but certainly not as much has Mr hebetudinous - bulb over there.

[Umberger]

On 2008-01-31 17:17, SolomonGrundy wrote:

You've got to be joking. Dam techs, Nos techs, and gi-techs ALL favor rods. so basically it is only Ra, and single techs that have a shot at matching Rods power.





Only Dam-, Nos-, Megiverse and Regrant "favor" rods. Every other TECHNIC "favors" wands. But seriously, lol, dps...who cares? Creatures die so fast and bosses are more of a nuisance than a challenge nowadays.

[Silver_Wyrm]

Creatures die so fast and bosses are more of a nuisance than a challenge nowadays.

which is why I don't understand the rampant elitism int his game o.o

[SolRiver]

On 2008-01-31 20:20, Silver_Wyrm wrote:
Creatures die so fast and bosses are more of a nuisance than a challenge nowadays.

which is why I don't understand the rampant elitism int his game o.o



I beat beat dragon in c mode 2 sec faster than you did http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

I think this wand is a start of something new that I hope won't happen. Imagine ST release tenora wand that grind surpass psycho wand... or imagine ST release tenora madoog that grind surpass psycho wand... that better not happen =(

[Inazuma]

http://phantasystaruniverse.jp/news/wis/?mode=view&id=604

according to this post at the official site, the prestac and some other recently released items are going to have their stats lowered. sonic team is giving all races max luck from feb 7 to feb 21 as an apology.

[Gen2000]

So much for that then.

[SolomonGrundy]

On 2008-01-31 20:14, Umberger wrote:
On 2008-01-31 17:17, SolomonGrundy wrote:

You've got to be joking. Dam techs, Nos techs, and gi-techs ALL favor rods. so basically it is only Ra, and single techs that have a shot at matching Rods power.





Only Dam-, Nos-, Megiverse and Regrant "favor" rods. Every other TECHNIC "favors" wands. But seriously, lol, dps...who cares? Creatures die so fast and bosses are more of a nuisance than a challenge nowadays.



nope. gi techs have the damage split by enough ways (6) that if you are hitting 6 enemies, then the rods greater TP + greater element + 20% boost > than a wands speed.

[Shiryuu]

Aww... I wanted to grind some too. And sucks they're fixing W'gangac (http://www.pso-world.com/viewtopic.php?topic=166100&forum=20&start=825&840#838) too, that thing looked badass.

[Umberger]

On 2008-01-31 23:56, Shiryuu wrote:
And sucks they're fixing W'gangac (http://www.pso-world.com/viewtopic.php?topic=166100&forum=20&start=825&840#838) too, that thing looked badass.



Just in case the screenshot thread gets locked, is that the Granahodrac?

[Shiryuu]

I think so. Apparently the item database took data from the aoi bible, and since that's the only one not released yet, it makes sense.

[mvffin]

yeah, kubara weps should just look like grey versions of their counterparts. thats probably granahodrac.

[DreXxiN]

Wow, I'll have to look into getting this thing for my WT/aT as soon as....Hey wait, I don't have a pure mind PM. Damnit. How much does it cost to synth one of these things anyway?

[Chaobo99]

yay resta wand!

[Shiryuu]

Owned: http://www.mithra.to/~psu/uploader/src/psu12290.jpg

Original: 999 TP 1213 PP
New: 640 TP 967 PP

At the very least I hope that granahodrac's stats is gonna be prestac's old ones. >_<


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[SolomonGrundy]

lame. the crying of FTs nerfs another useful item.

[Lyra]

Yeah. I had to switch to my other job, acrofighter, from acrotecher in order to get S rating on some of the most recent story missions. I just couldn't do enough damage to make the time limits (although admittedly, my attack techs are not maxed yet since I spent too much time trying to whip and card things). Regardless, I'm not going to complain if they want to make it a little easier for me to output some dps. Although that tesbra purchase I made a while ago now seems a little foolish ><