Meseta

[strikershadow]

The more I play this game, I cant help but to think meseta is the worstless thing in PSU...

And now they have player shops... and people sell all sorts of stuff for crazy prices...

I dunno is PSU economy messed up?

In PSO we never had shops and and the boards were limited so you usually had multiple items in storage... and people would jus give players extra stuff they had...

I mean, is it worth selling this stuff to get meseta instead of giving it to a friend online who could use it? I mean meseta has no real purpose, you dont even need meseta to buy items like scape dolls or trimates...

And any noob can get on and at level 1 run a board and make some decent cash and get enough money to buy the best A class weapons they can get from the player vendors...

Just wanted to put out what im thinking and see what else people thought...

Who really cares if you have a billion meseta, nothing really expensive to buy neway http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[Doh42]

The problem with meseta in this game is that the endgame players (maxed characters) don't need any (beyond upkeep) and get the most, as well as getting all the cool items that can fetch a lot of meseta, while the lower level players use most of their upkeep in consummables, and don't get anything that's worth selling.

There's a reason why most succesful MMOs have money sinks, and why most high-grade consummables aren't usually sold by NPCs. I think Photon Charge Cosmo are about the only consummable you can't buy at NPCs in PSU?

If hunting for rares made player lose money, and hunting something else made player get money, you'd see players who prefer to get money (and buy the rares) and those who prefer to hunt rares (and sell their extra to afford the rest). Right now, what we have is a system where people making the most money are also hunting the best rares.

[Kanore]

Meseta is more useful in PSU than it is on PSO. I use it more on supplies that I need (sans Scape Dolls and Photon Charges of course), whereas on PSO I only spent it on 'mates, 'fluids and Atomizers.

[strikershadow]

True true, but thats the thing, you dont need to buy consummables like trimates or scapes or photon charges... you always have max in your inventory. and you usually get what you use in any run. and besides you can run a low instance like a b and get 20 tris and 10 scapes like its nothing, and lets just say the people who are hunting the rares dont know how to play this game have to buy 10 scapes and 20 trimates... how much is that? like 70k right...

the point is meseta is worthless, nobody buys this stuff cause its not needed... hell i cant even remember last time i used a trimatet. i had 10 scapes in my bag forever now... i used one one time but i had to pass like 6...

i only use a photon charger when i find one, so i always have 10 on me...

and just so ya know im a level 70 human, 12 guntecher so no comments like im a super class either or nething.

[ilovetypemoon]

On 2008-02-18 15:10, strikershadow wrote:
True true, but thats the thing, you dont need to buy consummables like trimates or scapes or photon charges... you always have max in your inventory. and you usually get what you use in any run. and besides you can run a low instance like a b and get 20 tris and 10 scapes like its nothing, and lets just say the people who are hunting the rares dont know how to play this game have to buy 10 scapes and 20 trimates... how much is that? like 70k right...

the point is meseta is worthless, nobody buys this stuff cause its not needed... hell i cant even remember last time i used a trimatet. i had 10 scapes in my bag forever now... i used one one time but i had to pass like 6...

i only use a photon charger when i find one, so i always have 10 on me...

and just so ya know im a level 70 human, 12 guntecher so no comments like im a super class either or nething.







That was like the most self-conceited, narrow-minded, and ignorant post I've read in a while.

[Hath_Wrobo]

On 2008-02-18 15:18, ilovetypemoon wrote:

On 2008-02-18 15:10, strikershadow wrote:
True true, but thats the thing, you dont need to buy consummables like trimates or scapes or photon charges... you always have max in your inventory. and you usually get what you use in any run. and besides you can run a low instance like a b and get 20 tris and 10 scapes like its nothing, and lets just say the people who are hunting the rares dont know how to play this game have to buy 10 scapes and 20 trimates... how much is that? like 70k right...

the point is meseta is worthless, nobody buys this stuff cause its not needed... hell i cant even remember last time i used a trimatet. i had 10 scapes in my bag forever now... i used one one time but i had to pass like 6...

i only use a photon charger when i find one, so i always have 10 on me...

and just so ya know im a level 70 human, 12 guntecher so no comments like im a super class either or nething.







That was like the most self-conceited, narrow-minded, and ignorant post I've read in a while.



Welcome to Pso-World.

[Indica]

Meseta is a pain in this game. I am totally running out where to store it! All my characters have Max money and all my PM's pretty much are holding max money.

[strikershadow]

>.> i wasnt trying to be concieded. its just i never buy that stuff. i dont buy anything in the game... i pass up more items like mates, dolls, or whatever just because i never use it...

and even on my lower alts... my 10 year old brother plays now he made it to 50... and has 800k... and hes playing a beast hunter...

just asking if anyone else notices this, and thinks the economy is messed up...

[WhiteKnight01]

if you want a high % 10/10 you need alot of cash to buy or make one, forget about the mates and scapes its about a nice pallet and the photon arts to back em up with, and if you think money is a waste of your time give it to a noob and make his day, today i gave out all my old c/b/a class weps that i dont use anymore for free try it ya get a kick outa it. and if you still dont like it you can always stop playing any find a game that you do like

o also if this game was exactly like pso i wouldnt play it, whay pay for a game and play for a long time just to pay for a new one and do the same stuf you did all over again, can people stop whining that they want this to be more like pso

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[Silver_Wyrm]

On 2008-02-18 15:10, strikershadow wrote:
and just so ya know im a level 70 human, 12 guntecher so no comments like im a super class either or nething.

while GT is not a super class the combination of healing yourself + mobile guns means you use incredibly small amount of consumables >.> when playing a hunter you have to melee, and sometimes something unfortunate happens, and Fo's have low hp and def, and a small mistake can lead to 1-hit-kill or something similar. Use of trimates and scapes doesn't mean "don't know how to play" -.-

[The2dCour]

I do give all the boards I don't intend to use to my friends. Which tends to be a much greater amount than the boards that I do intend to use. Theres always the stuff that nobody wants that can be sold.

Theres also a ton of people who demand that you give them your drops because they want them. If someone demanded a monomate from me like that I'd have to say no. Hell even if I was gonna give it away they wouldn't get it. It's just rude to ask for other peoples stuff. Honestly though, I wish more people would give stuff away they aren't gonna use.

[Mewnie]

They just need more money sinks in the game.

Like an option to buy copper coins at Voloyal. At an absurd ratio; 1:10000 or something like that.

More clothes.

If they do add that PvP feature, you have to pay meseta to register for a match.

Repair broken weapons from grinding, albeit it'd be very expensive, and each reovered grind level would be exponentially more than the previous.


*edit* Most smart players trade for high end weapons/line shields anyways. Unless you want RangRang9999 spamming in lobbies about "Shop MaxMeseta.com! We make good price for your meseta!"



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[ljkkjlcm9]

I have a challenge for you. Buy the 9* gun and tech boards in shops. Synth them. And make a +10 of all of them. See how much money you spend on doing that.
That means, money to make the Pure PM to synth.
Money to buy the boards to synth
Money to buy the materials
Money to buy the grinder bases and boards.
then maybe, if you're lucky enough, you do that enough to get a +10 weapon or two.

or even worse:
mass produce melee weapons, get high percents, and try to get a +10 one to use. SO, not only are you sinking money in trying to produce a high percent, once you do, you have to try and grind it.

S rank grinders are even worse. Fact is though, a lot of people i know, avoid grinding anything over like +3 on S ranks, and most don't grind much on A ranks either. Therefore, they don't really sink that much money into it.

THE JACKEL

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[tailz]

On 2008-02-19 19:35, ljkkjlcm9 wrote:
I have a challenge for you. Buy the 9* gun and tech boards in shops. Synth them. And make a +10 of all of them. See how much money you spend on doing that.
That means, money to make the Pure PM to synth.
Money to buy the boards to synth
Money to buy the materials
Money to buy the grinder bases and boards.
then maybe, if you're lucky enough, you do that enough to get a +10 weapon or two.

or even worse:
mass produce melee weapons, get high percents, and try to get a +10 one to use. SO, not only are you sinking money in trying to produce a high percent, once you do, you have to try and grind it.

S rank grinders are even worse. Fact is though, a lot of people i know, avoid grinding anything over like +3 on S ranks, and most don't grind much on A ranks either. Therefore, they don't really sink that much money into it.

THE JACKEL

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check annnnnd mate http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

seriously... try it... ur in for a rude awakening

and while ur at it, switch to fortegunner, buy a good grenade launcher, get boma duranga, and then tell me u dont use mates/scapes http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[darkante]

On 2008-02-19 19:26, Mewnie wrote:
They just need more money sinks in the game.

Like an option to buy copper coins at Voloyal. At an absurd ratio; 1:10000 or something like that.

More clothes.

If they do add that PvP feature, you have to pay meseta to register for a match.

Repair broken weapons from grinding, albeit it'd be very expensive, and each reovered grind level would be exponentially more than the previous.


*edit* Most smart players trade for high end weapons/line shields anyways. Unless you want RangRang9999 spamming in lobbies about "Shop MaxMeseta.com! We make good price for your meseta!"



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About PvP thing..there should be a spectator mode where you can bet on who is gonna win and stuff.

By being able to look onto the combatants skills and weapons, class etc..you have a easier chance to guess who is gonna win or not.

Wins should give you double the bet you put.
Max would be maybe 200 000 or something that low so you don´t get overkill in money imcomst or something if you are in a lucky streak.
Be patient and you shall be rewarded!

Rares betting for other rares upon winning should be implented too.

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[SATatami]

200k is low? Try 2~20k.

[darkante]

On 2008-02-20 04:04, SATatami wrote:
200k is low? Try 2~20k.


Good point. I really don´t know the money value these days seeing almost all decent stuff costing 20+ milj minimum. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[Mewnie]

On 2008-02-20 04:01, darkante wrote:

About PvP thing..there should be a spectator mode where you can bet on who is gonna win and stuff...

tl;dr ;3



Something like that. To move meseta out of the player economy, there'd have to be some kind of fee/tax. Bookies skimming some of the winnings into thier pockets ;3

[darkante]

No wait, i even got a better thing to spend on if there were a spectator mode in PvP on PSU.
Instead of meseta..you could bet..Casino coins!!

That would actually be more appropiate! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[Mewnie]

Fight Club: Moatoob X3

[SStrikerR]

Betting on matches would be stupid because the people fighting could fix their matches and crap like that, just like wrestling, and people would get insanely rich.

[amtalx]

Meseta will have a use until I can afford to buy all the weapons I want without having to work for it. Since I can't afford my all 11* palette yet, meseta is still useful.

[strikershadow]

Ahh just to clarify, I dint mean people who use scapes and trimates dont know how to play because they use them. I was referring to the fact a high level character that has a hard time in a board can always drop down from lets say an A to a B, use no items and replenish there items... 10 - 15 minutes of time means no money spent and a bit of money used. Also the trimate boards are at 100% success rate meaning people probably have a ton of materials in the bank to make the stuff they need and so forth. Im just saying theres other ways of getting what you need instead of spending the money to do it after every run.

as for the comment about getting 10/10 weapons and grinding... been there done that. I have twin deathmakers and a majimra rod grinded at 10/10. grinded roughly 1500 grinders to make them. got 40 A+10, used 20 and sold the other 20. and sold everything from A+6 - A+9 and made about 4 times the amount i spent doing it...

about the comment about buying all the 11* items you want, is the millions of meseta you need to do it really worth it? the 9* gear are really good gear, and when you get a 10* item the stats arent all that much better then the 9* item... And from what ive seen in the weapons im interested in getting, the 9* weapons grinded 3 - 5 times is better then the 10*... i would need to find a pair of hyper vipers grinded 5/10 times before there better then my twin deathmakers grinded at 10/10

Also in PSO, people were friendly and everyone had a vault full of rare weapons by the dozen and would just hand them out... you needed to kill that damn dragon so many times to level up i had so many of those dual swords LOL

I wasnt getting smart with anyone, or saying people dont know how to play, ive just been thinking and looking at the stats and just dont think blowing all your meseta for the stuff is worth it...

And also I wanted to get peoples opinions on this, I know everyone thinks differently and to most people money is important. it is nice when you play a game and rich as all hell http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

But i wanted to know what people thought could be added. the PVP betting is nice but could be rigged. the casino idea i like a lot.

And the other thing i was thinking is, wouldnt it be cool if instead of money you actually used the synth stuff to trade to the vendors for items? I thought that kind of system would be cool.

but anyway thanks for the imput. sorry bout sounding rude like i was callling people noobs or whatever. I didnt mean any disrespect (i was wondering why the girl called me concieted)



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[mvffin]

time is money.

in the time it takes you to gather up ingredients on b/c runs and make 20 trimates, you could have bought them at the shop, ran another S2 mission (or 2) and gained much more money than you would have saved by making your own trimates.

Go play true darkness S2, and see if you can finish in 20 minutes using no items.

using twin handguns as comparison between 9* and 11* is fail. twin handguns atp is almost no difference. try comparing weapons where the att is actually different.

Saber- 9* Buccaneer 10/10 = 672 att. 11* Blackheart 0/10 677 att.
Spear- 9* Muktrand 10/10 = 729 att. 11* Muktengek 0/10 770 att.
Longbow- 9* Ulteri 10/10 = 705 att. 11* Rikauteri 2/10 708 att.
Rod- 9* Howrod 10/10 704 Tech. 12* Psycho Wand 0/10 958 tech.
Rifle- 9* Phantom 10/10 641 att. 11* Rattlesnake 2/10 642 att.

in PSO, all weapons were fully made, couldn't be broken when grinded, and most weapons given away were duped.

they do have a way to trade crap items for other items, there's an exchange mission on parum now, talk to the juice lady outside the GRM shop.

[Sekani]

You play a Guntecher. That's why you don't need meseta. Your weapons don't break when you grind them like back in the old days, you can Resta yourself so you never run out of curatives, and you know nothing of the massive expense it takes to equip any melee-centric class.

PSO had no economy, so after a certain point meseta actually was 100% useless, since you had everything you could possibly buy from the NPCs already.

[strikershadow]

im perfectly aware, i said my mains a guntecher, reason being my friends are lower level. im a weak FF but its still the same, i find more trimates and scape dolls then i use.

and weapons do break... i went thru a bunch of deathmakers before getting the perfect 10/10... and with the prices from a player shop i dont think i would even try on a melee weapon.

the only thing i find really expensive is PM evolving.

and good point muffin, it would save you a hell of a lot of time, but for the weapons comparison

bucaneer damage is 595 ungrinded, blackheart is 677, is that extra 80ish ATT worth a few million is my point?

you can have a good character without the rares...

i guess meseta is worth something to the people who have to be perfect and have every single piece of perfect gear

[ThePendragon]

All the people complaining they have too much money. Give me some. i really need like 10 million. I will be on later tonight. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif

[superdood22]

On 2008-02-18 15:24, strikershadow wrote:
>.> i wasnt trying to be concieded. its just i never buy that stuff. i dont buy anything in the game... i pass up more items like mates, dolls, or whatever just because i never use it...

and even on my lower alts... my 10 year old brother plays now he made it to 50... and has 800k... and hes playing a beast hunter...

just asking if anyone else notices this, and thinks the economy is messed up...

Fuck it. :/


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