Rod Exclusivity

[Leahcim]

If wartecher was given A rank rods to balance the Guntecher boost, what would people think?
We would still do crappy tech damage in comparison to Fortetecher, but this would keep us above Guntecher.



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[Anduril]

No, you Wartechers don't touch our Rods. They belong to us, not you.

But honestly it would be a bit unbalanced seeing a WT is more Melee than TECH, so having a rod takes away your Meleeing, as opposed to having a TECH-Mag and 1 handed striking weapon.

[Leahcim]

That would make us too much like an Acroclass, which we are not. The Majority of our weapons are two handed (swords, twin daggers, bows etc) this would simply fit that trend.

Either A rank Rods, lvl 40 techs or a general TP boost is what we need =<



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[Anduril]

The general TP boost I agree with. LV 30 TECHs are really all you need but the low TP is a slap in the face. But either way WT is still better at TECHing than GT, so I don't really see the issue. Remember WT is still a Hybrid class, as are Acro classes, and you still do Melee better than an AT.

[Akaimizu]

I would wait until you see what the GT boost really means, before an instant ask of updates for the class. I mean, the GTs got this (oh so good) boost for the AOI. Sure it gave them what they so needed for a long time; but in real application, it wasn't as *hot* as people were making it out to be, before they actually came out.

The original AOI upgrade was an understandable upgrade, but it certainly was far from stepping on any other classes. But on paper, people were claiming (Oh, they're going to be uber awesome now). And we know how THAT turned out.

So I'm using hind-sight 20/20 in waiting to see what this boost does in-game, before I can attempt to see how it balances things.

I do have a concern on how it could "on paper" balance bullets vs. techs, on them. But it might not be that way "in game".

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[DoubleJG]

As cool as that would be, WTs are melee first, techs second in my eyes. Rods are PURE force, and they should stay with FTs only. My WT loves his daggers and wands and will do just fine without rods thank you.

[Ffuzzy-Logik]

Lolwat.

Rods are useless compared to a TCSM/Wand combo, unless you're talking about a Psycho Wand, but those are way too elusive to be A-Rank.

Only thing they can do to WT to make it useful is upgrading support to 30. Otherwise it's a weaker fF with pointless techs.

[Danger_Girl]

On 2008-02-20 12:39, Ffuzzy-Logik wrote:
Lolwat.

Rods are useless compared to a TCSM/Wand combo, unless you're talking about a Psycho Wand, but those are way too elusive to be A-Rank.

Only thing they can do to WT to make it useful is upgrading support to 30. Otherwise it's a weaker fF with pointless techs.



All TECHNICs receive a 20% attack boost when cast with a rod.

[panzer_unit]

On 2008-02-20 12:39, Ffuzzy-Logik wrote:
Lolwat.

Rods are useless compared to a TCSM/Wand combo, unless you're talking about a Psycho Wand, but those are way too elusive to be A-Rank.

Only thing they can do to WT to make it useful is upgrading support to 30. Otherwise it's a weaker fF with pointless techs.


... yeah, the rod update never happened. Even a crap rod beats TCSM/Wand, more when people can be bothered to link elements (like that'll ever happen! easier to save money on atomizers/mates and whine on PSOW about not doing damage)

WT could be unique as a secondary nuker job... for people who'd like attack techs as their main offense but don't want to go all the way fT and low hitpoints and everything. Better that than yet another melee-and-I-forget-what class.

[Randomness]

No. Give WTs rods and the only thing FT has over them is a higher TP. (Since everyone knows S ranks aren't significantly better than A ranks... with a few exceptions like a grinded Agito Repca or Psycho)

[panzer_unit]

I'm sure a lot of Fortefighters cry themselves to sleep over "only" having higher stats than Fighgunner.

[GuardianElite]

On 2008-02-20 12:11, Leahcim wrote:
If wartecher was given A rank rods to balance the Guntecher boost, what would people think?
We would still do crappy tech damage in comparison to Fortetecher, but this would keep us above Guntecher.



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hell no you just be making it unbalance <.< your wartecher biased

[JAFO22000]

On 2008-02-20 12:13, Anduril wrote:
No, you Wartechers don't touch our Rods. They belong to us, not you.

But honestly it would be a bit unbalanced seeing a WT is more Melee than TECH, so having a rod takes away your Meleeing, as opposed to having a TECH-Mag and 1 handed striking weapon.



This would be the ideal pallette for a WT. Too bad that only 1 of the 4 WT S rank melee weapons are one handed. And we don't get S rank Madoogs.


Through numerous posts, the OP is trying to find ways to improve WT. My thought would be to give them S rank madoogs, downgrade wands to A rank, and give them the following S rank melee options: single saber, single dagger, single claw and whip (no longer being able to s-rank in twin daggers, twin claws or knuckles). This would allow WTs to have a strong weapon in their right hand coupled with a madoog in the left. Having 75% of WTs melee S ranks be two handed melee weapons just takes up palette space that could be used for more teching options (my opinion. I understand that this change is probably not the popular option.)

[panzer_unit]

On 2008-02-20 13:18, JAFO22000 wrote:
This would be the ideal pallette for a WT. Too bad that only 1 of the 4 WT S rank melee weapons are one handed. And we don't get S rank Madoogs.

Through numerous posts, the OP is trying to find ways to improve WT. My thought would be to give them S rank madoogs, downgrade wands to A rank, and give them the following S rank melee options: single saber, single dagger, single claw and whip (no longer being able to s-rank in twin daggers, twin claws or knuckles).

... that sounds more like an Acrotecher / Acrofighter hybrid. Not that it's a bad idea, but right now Wartecher is more of a cross between Fortefighter / Fortetecher. They need to be better at that instead of something else entirely.

[Leahcim]

We would just become an acro class without the speed boost though =/

[Mewnie]

I'd just like S rank single claws.. I mean twins only? Buh?

[Garanz-Baranz]

o.o Wartecher With A Rod?

http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_mad.gif sorry but, that's not really a good Idea, and the Idea about giving WT S-grade Singles is basically giving Acrofighter Techs.

Wartecher is designed mainly as a secondary support.
AND Guntecher DOES NOT do more Tech damage then a Wartecher, Wartechers have higher stats that Guntecher everywhere except on Accuracy and mabye STA.

Wartechers ONLY needed boost left is Lv30 Support. that's all, final, zip, end.

<.< Wartechers with Rods make them secondary Fortetechers, but, they arn't designed to be. Besides, most Wartechers don't need the Rod boost due to the sheer power of the Melee they possess. o.o

By the way, What other Class has access to the greater weapons of every type? Wartechr gets Bows, Cards, Swords, Fist, Twin Claw, Whip, Twin Saber, Twin Dagger, Singles, Wands, Madoogs, and Handguns. o.o Wartecher has enough of the Weapons, leading to one of the largest, most universal pallets in the game. <.< Wartecher does not need any more weapons as is.

[Leahcim]

We are not secondary support, not getting lvl 30 support justifies that.

We are a dirrect mix of fortecher and fortefighter, which are both offence classes not supportive.
Our role as support died with the creation of Acrotecher and the Guntecher boosts

[SStrikerR]

Why didnt you just put this in your other topic about WTs so we dont end up with 5 topics with random questions about WTs wasting space on the board?

[Akaimizu]

Guntecher support boosts were mainly to give them the range they desperately needed to use them. Unlike others, their original support was counter-productive to their role as gunners. For the most part, they had low HP and low all around defense, so they were meant to dance around the battlefield at a distance. That's technically what their stats dictated. It doesn't help their stat'ed position, on the battlefield when their support techs only reached as if they were standing right in the middle of battle, close to everybody in Fighter range.

GTs were labeled as a support class, so I clearly see your point of why Wartechers technically need more attack power in techs than support power in techs. However, my bet is that WTs will still have oodles of better TP for strong attack techs.

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[Leahcim]

On 2008-02-20 13:47, Ryan113 wrote:
Why didnt you just put this in your other topic about WTs so we dont end up with 5 topics with random questions about WTs wasting space on the board?



If you red the other topic, you'd know it about PA levels.

[Yoshi_Ayarane]

All I want are S-rank sabers for WTs. Is that too much to ask? ;_;

[drizzle]

If anything needs boosting, it's the TECHs themselves, not WTs.

[Garanz-Baranz]

On 2008-02-20 13:38, Leahcim wrote:
We are not secondary support, not getting lvl 30 support justifies that.

We are a dirrect mix of fortecher and fortefighter, which are both offence classes not supportive.
Our role as support died with the creation of Acrotecher and the Guntecher boosts


Wartechers ARE secondary support because they don't have the Lv30 Support. Lv30 verses Lv40 is not a big difference. <.< Guntechers and Acrotechers are sesigned as Primary support, as Fortetechers.

Fortetecher is a mix of Support and Offensive, so your point on that is dead. My reasoning that
Wartecher is secondary support is that Fortetecher is 1/2 support, thus Wartecher being 1/4th support on your standards.

Wartecher is designed to be secondary support because it's ABLE to do the role, but not as great as the others.

Guntechers can be considered secondary support though not as directly as Wartecher, Guntechers Support being Lv30 makes it strong, thus boosting it's power, and others.

o.o but if you ignore all that, Wartecher is secondary Support, because if no other class superior to it in support is present, Wartecher can play the Role of Support. <.<

[ljkkjlcm9]

look, wartecher is intended to be played as a melee class, with technics and some minor guns for support. You're suppose to be utilizing the two handed weapons they have, then occasionally use techs when the situation calls for it. Wartecher is meant to focus on it's melee. AKA twin claws and twin daggers and fists, switching to a wand and say card/shadoog for support.

Acrotecher is meant to be melee combined with techs, with occasional ranged support. Their main strength is single handed weapons with madoogs. Acrotecher is meant to focus on their techs. IE: Dagger/shadoog, or wand/card.

Guntecher is mostly meant to be the one handed gun specialist, which is why getting S rank wands(finally) makes so much sense. Their strength is running around with a Xbow, mechgun and a wand. Backing that up with bows and twin handguns, and the occassional heavy gun.

The only tech class that makes sense to have rods, is the Fortetecher. They're meant to be pure magic, and their the only ones who should ever not have something else easily on hand, and even then, they can use wand/card or bows.

in the end, the only thing I don't understand about classes right now, is AT with mechguns. AF would make much more sense with them.

THE JACKEL

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[SStrikerR]

On 2008-02-20 13:54, Leahcim wrote:

On 2008-02-20 13:47, Ryan113 wrote:
Why didnt you just put this in your other topic about WTs so we dont end up with 5 topics with random questions about WTs wasting space on the board?



If you red the other topic, you'd know it about PA levels.

First of all it's READ, not red. Second off, if you just edited the first post you could put in both questions moron. And I DID read it. Edit the first topic so we dont get these stupid topics everytime a little thought pops into your head.

[Fox_Makenshi]

So WT should get 30 attack and support while GT should be stuck at 20 attack? Yeah that makes sense >.> You guys are a damage class. You get melee weapons and higher (than GT) attack techs. GT is a support class. We get guns and higher (than WT) support techs.

What I don't understand is why WT's get bows. It's clearly a ranged weapon and WT isn't even part ranger.

Love,
Fox Makenshi

[Lamak]

On 2008-02-20 14:31, Fox_Makenshi wrote:
So WT should get 30 attack and support while GT should be stuck at 20 attack? Yeah that makes sense >.> You guys are a damage class. You get melee weapons and higher (than GT) attack techs. GT is a support class. We get guns and higher (than WT) support techs.

What I don't understand is why WT's get bows. It's clearly a ranged weapon and WT isn't even part ranger.

Love,
Fox Makenshi

Bow is a Techer Ranged weapon.Hence only classes with Force levels has access.

[Leahcim]

On 2008-02-20 14:22, Ryan113 wrote:
Edit the first topic so we dont get these stupid topics everytime a little thought pops into your head.



You know what a forum is for? Discussing ideas and such. I've done nothing wrong. If you are annoyed just don't read them. Problem solved, no one is forcing you to do so.

[Fox_Makenshi]

Oh and I didn't see the new readjustment for JP. Okay if GT gets 30/30 techs then WT should get it too. That actually makes sense. But Rods...no. I can see giving them S-rank TCSMs.

Love,
Fox Makenshi

[Leahcim]

Also, to those who say Wartecher was intended to be melee over tech, I disagree.
I think Sega intended to try and make it split down the middle, I believe so because of our atp and tp tie with each other, along with our melee and attack tech caps. Problem is Melee will beat out Tech in most cases so what was intended was never achieved.

To balance our teching with our Melee, our teching needs a little boost... what ever that could be could range from A rank Rods, lvl 40 Attack techs or simply higher TP. The last of that list would piss the least amount of Fortetechers off.

EDIT

Also, we don't need S rank Mags, they are meant for support techs and that is not our focus! A rank ags are just fine.



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[Fox_Makenshi]

TCSM's are meant for teching not support by the way. It's like GT's having wands. GT's get some one-handed guns and use wands for the right hand, WT's get some one-handed melee and use TCSM's in the left hand.

Love,
Fox Makenshi

[Leahcim]

Lower TP and high PP than Wands? Mags are meant for Support techs. THis doesn't mean they can't nuke of course.
The GT's main attack source is their left hand, guns. So the S rank Wands make perfect sense. Wartechers find the majority of their DPS from two handed Weapons (Twin Claw, Twin Dagger, Knux, Spears, Bows too I guess). S rank Mags are just not needed.


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[SStrikerR]

On 2008-02-20 14:35, Leahcim wrote:

On 2008-02-20 14:22, Ryan113 wrote:
Edit the first topic so we dont get these stupid topics everytime a little thought pops into your head.



You know what a forum is for? Discussing ideas and such. I've done nothing wrong. If you are annoyed just don't read them. Problem solved, no one is forcing you to do so.

Yes, forums are for discussion, congrats on knowing that, do you want a medal?
It's not the readin them that annoys me, it's seeing more than one topic about the same class/subject for the same person, when all that person had to do was edit both questions, and any quesitons that come later, into the same friggen topic. So far its: Wartechers, Should Wartechers get A rank rods? What's next, a 3rd topic about ranged weaponry for them? If you just edited them into the same topic, people who read it could answer all of the questions in the same post, which makes it easier for everyone who gives a damn about these things.

[Leahcim]

Lol, two topics and you are already annoyed? What about the hundreds of "Is PVP in PSU?" Topics that I never made?

You, sir, have a sort fuse. Snapping at someone for missing the 'a' key when typing 'read'? Please calm yourself down.


edit

Also, This topic was simply named Rods, bu a mod changed it.

So I just changed it to something else, so your aren't mad about seeing Wartecher on these forums http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif

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[SStrikerR]

On 2008-02-20 14:54, Leahcim wrote:
Lol, two topics and you are already annoyed? What about the hundreds of "Is PVP in PSU?" Topics that I never made?

You, sir, have a sort fuse. Snapping at someone for missing the 'a' key when typing 'read'? Please calm yourself down.

The PvP topics usually drown to the 2nd page within a few hours, so you dont see them much, so they basically dont exist. And the stupidest part about this is that you arent even replying to the parts of my posts, such as the editing and how it would be better for you to do so, because you probably realized you're stupid for doing so. And yea, there's only 2 topics now, but as I said, if you continue to make topics everytime a little thing pops up, there would be a bunch, when you could make it all the easier for yourself and others to make it all into one topic.

Edit: Changing the topic title doesnt help anything either, it's still all about WTs.

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[Ken_Silver]

The best way to solve this issue (because GT shouldn't have had 20/20 to start) would be to balance out wartecher in general (or keep it balanced.) Because we are the middle class. We can use Magic as well as we can melee. We have ok support and ok ranged weapons. We also have a versatile weapon palette which should not be messed with. So if we are to stay the balanced group, we should get an upgrade to the support techs and that's it.

Nothing else makes sense in terms of making it an equal class. But if ST wants us to lean to one side or another then they can do it now. I'll admit that the GT improvement does dimish the use of WT's alotgether, we still have the ability to make yourself useful in any situation. Besides we should remember, they only have 10 in Melee while we have 20 in Ranged and we don't have to do anything to get it either (In terms of leveling up the ranger class.)

Edit: When did the topic title change? And if I may ask, let it go Ryan. The "damage" has already been done. No need to confuse everyone else with topics beginning to change names while they are typing a response. Be nice. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

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[Leahcim]

The other topic was about Where a Wartecher would like ot have 10 extra PA points Added, this one is about what people "not only Wartechers" would think about give Wartehcers A rank ROds. Not the same thing bub

[Sexy_Raine]

No, you's don't deserve Rods. It should always be FT exclusive. With undeserving defense stats, WT deserves to trail far away from FT tech damage. FT already has the deal with crap HP, a small weapon selection, and only lv30 support.



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[Weeaboolits]

Rods just don't seem to fit wartecher that well.

[Sinue_v2]

I'd rather see WT get S-Rank single-claws than any-rank rods.

[Xaeris]

I'd rather there be some enemies that actually die quickest by teching before we go talking about any improvements to techs on the player end. I mean, christ, even robots job faster to striking than technics.

[Rayokarna]

I would rather see S Rank Twin Saber insted.

[Rashiid]

Nay, sir.

[Libram]

I'll just stand behind X and throw my Nosdiga at robots while he's up front getting pinballed across the room by explosions.

[RemiusTA]

On 2008-02-20 12:11, Leahcim wrote:
If wartecher was given A rank rods to balance the Guntecher boost, what would people think?
We would still do crappy tech damage in comparison to Fortetecher, but this would keep us above Guntecher.



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Then all hell breaks loose.

Doesnt matter if you get C rank Rods. Their fortetecher exclusive for the speed and horrible HP/DFP modifiers we are plauged with.

+ thy d0 l33t dmg n@0

[Xaeris]

Actually, considering Chikki and Choutou have more range than even Barta and Zonde, chances are, I'll be behind you Libram. Some men might be opposed to using fTs as meat shields, especially the 4', pointy eared, female variety. I, however, am all about the womens' rights and equality.

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[Magus_84]

On 2008-02-20 15:38, Xaeris wrote:
Actually, considering Chikki and Choutou have more range than even Barta and Zonde, chances are, I'll be behind you Libram.



Killer Shot. I'll be behind you both. >_>

[Libram]

Why is the Fortetecher now the frontline fighter?

[Xaeris]

Some people believe it's their duty to get up and be the vanguard that separates the rabid hordes from the techers. Me, I bruise easy.

[Danger_Girl]

On 2008-02-20 15:27, Sinue_v2 wrote:
I'd rather see WT get S-Rank single-claws than any-rank rods.



I agree. My damage output as a wartecher isn't really the problem. My melee is fine. The TP adjustment it would take to make my tech damage competitive with my melee would....well I'll just put it this way, it's not going to happen.

I'm quite content with having my offensive techs as a situational supplement to my melee damage.

[Rashiid]

Because we dodge like literally every other attack.
I blocked an entire Bil De Vir spin before.

[Kion]

This thread would make me laugh if only people didn' take it so seriously. Guntechers did recieve a TP to make it almost even with wartecher, but have you ever seen a guntecher use attack techs? No, they're really not useful at level 20. The added TP if for just for resta.

If anything WT should get a slightly higher TP mod to make techs more useful. Rods don't make any sense for the play style.

[Rashiid]

I would use attack techs at Lv30 with a GT, that's a massive improvement. Now they have S rank wands to go with an S rank crossbow/machine gun, and while your gun is out of PP, could cast techs.

[JAFO22000]

That sig is hilarious. Looks like a douchy Japanese boy band....BACK-A-STEET BOYS! BACK-A-STEET BOYS!!

Anyway, my earlier point made about the one handed weapons making us a acrofighter/acrotecher hybrid brings me to my philosophy about how acro-classes should have never been created; with a few minor tweaks to the existing classes, they could've done without them. I've never understood why acro classes were added and I never will.

[Kion]

my sig is a korean boy band called Big Bang (http://youtube.com/watch?v=zGgPeAew_T0). And yeah, i love how out of place it looks. it's not anime!!!

Edit: added youtube link.

Second edit: I reallized this post is off topic so ah... techs aren't useful for GT at level 20 so WT's stop whining.

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[Rashiid]

They looked like TVXQ to me, lol.

[Leahcim]

the five of them look th same to me... lol

[majan]

for the love of god,don't take rod exclusivity away from fortetechers. it is THE ONE AND ONLY THING that sets fortetechers apart from the other classes in the game. with the rod and its sexy power boost, its the only thing thats preventing fortetechers from extinction. give rods,and in effect its awesome power boost to other classes, and you've got no reason to be a fortetecher whatsoever other than fancy looking techs above level 31.

[Leahcim]

A rank Rods, A RANK. -.-

And do you realize the TP difference between FT and WT? or the power of lvl 31+ Techs that we don't have? -.-
PLus the PP save etc. You'd still be sitting high an mighty


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[Garanz-Baranz]

<.<

Rods are the pinical of the Fortetecher, compact, and powerful, good PP too.

Wartechers are the HUnewearl of PSU, decent ATP, decent TP, decent Weaponry.

Wartechers combine the three factors of the game, Techs, Ranged, and Melee. The almighty Longbow and Card, the ever powerful assorted Melee, and the everuseful Wand/Madoog combo, these are bound to the Wartechers power, leading it to be one hell of a useful class, EVEN AS A BEAST, it's ATA is not THAT bad, it's TP and ATP are fare enough to do decent damage, and it's assorted weaponry allows it to break any resistances.

Now, why give Wartechers the almighty Rod, when they have some of the most powerful weapons in the game already? in all types even? Wartecher is the only class to include a mass of all three in a grand combination, and NO!, Acrotechers are not designed to be brutes of Melee or Range, although they have higher ATA then a Wartecher.

<.< Wartechers are the omniclass. All they deserve is what they have, or S-grade Claws to balance that uneven spot, and 30 support.

also, Giving Wartechers ONLY S-Singles is really just, as I preveously stated, making it a Acrofighter with Techs. o.o I defend wartecher from such an immense change because it is almost fine as it is.

If you MUST Give Wartechers Rods, it must be B-rank only. <.< Just like if you wish to give anything else to a class, such as wands to FF's, it's below A-grade. except, C-rank there on Techs, and Lv1 tech at that...

[Packrat]

Wartechers are fine as they are. I know mine is <3 <3

[Lamak]

I just want my S rank Claw or Level 30 Support. Is that too much? >_>

[Genoa]

WT's shoulda got S-rank madoog instead of wand imo... They need melee in their other hand D:
WT's amazing anyways, I'm not sure why people complain. They have amazing stats and an incredibly vast weapon selection...

[GuardianElite]

On 2008-02-20 18:58, Leahcim wrote:
A rank Rods, A RANK. -.-

And do you realize the TP difference between FT and WT? or the power of lvl 31+ Techs that we don't have? -.-
PLus the PP save etc. You'd still be sitting high an mighty


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Your Stepping in ForteTechers territory..If we keeps this up might as well make one class...

[Leahcim]

Lol, oh no! We got A rank swords! "If we keeps this up might as well make one class... "

[hiraisho]

On 2008-02-20 20:42, MegamanX wrote:
WT's shoulda got S-rank madoog instead of wand imo... They need melee in their other hand D:
WT's amazing anyways, I'm not sure why people complain. They have amazing stats and an incredibly vast weapon selection...



I like A rank madoog and S rank wand as it is. I can stay in my Shatos for healing/buffs with a dagger in main hand and have my tesbra for attack techs paired with my cards on offhand.

though I won't disagree, S rank madoogs would probably be a little more beneficial due to the desire to keep melee weapons on the spaces but still have access to techs.

[mvffin]

WT vs GT, Battle of the Century.

no, rods do not belong on a WT. MAYBE GT, but thats pushing it. WT still does need a little something to catch up to the rest of the game though... weapon selection is good... PA levels are ok i guess.. more TP and ATA would be nice.

oh, and since slicers are getting nerfed, I think AF should be able to use Axes and Doublesabers now.

[Leahcim]

Lol, No.

Total BS on the AF getting Double Saber and Axes. Acro = Single handed weaponry.

[SolomonGrundy]

There are 2 seperate problems

1. level 20 buffs don't last long enough
2. FTs are the only ones who do meaningful damage with techs.

For problem 1, the solution is simple: increase the duration of all buffs by 30 or 60 seconds.

For problem 2 there are any number of solutions, here are a few

a. reduce the 20% (to 10%?) boost on rods and increase the elemental boost (by 4%)

b. increase the elemental boost on madoogs and wands

c. chaange the damage formula to favor base TP over wand/madoog TP for a portion of the damage

[Weeaboolits]

I do think now that guntecher is gonna be getting level 30 attack techs, that WT should get level 30 support as well.

Also, looking at the above post, don't be taking away FT's tech power, that's really the only thing they have going for them.

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[GuardianElite]

Funny thing is all is said might as well make one class if you all trying to weaken and strengthen classes..

[Ruru]

On 2008-02-21 01:07, Leahcim wrote:
Lol, No.

Total BS on the AF getting Double Saber and Axes. Acro = Single handed weaponry.



how can you say that when you make a topic asking if wt should be able to steal our rods? and A rank isn't so far under S rank. Howrod +10 has more TP/PP than a Halarod/Kazarod. Also WT is not even with techs/skills (as an earlier post of yours states) firstly it depends on your race. a Cast or beast WT is going to be alot better with skills and bullets (for casts) than say a newman wt who will be better off using both techs and skills equally.

Basically WT is melee first, techer second. there isn't any need for you to have rods. Just like there isn't any need for a fortetecher to use an axe. sure it would be neat to see a little newman slapping around things with an axe, but it's not gonna happen.
The only thing we fortetechers have going for us right now is our high mst/tp and our rods. WT's may not be the strongest melee/techers out there but they have survivability. High hp/dfp, good atp/ata (depending on race anyway) if you want to use rods be a fortetecher.

[mvffin]

On 2008-02-21 01:07, Leahcim wrote:
Lol, No.

Total BS on the AF getting Double Saber and Axes. Acro = Single handed weaponry.


sarcasm - stating the opposite of an intended meaning especially in order to sneeringly, slyly, jest or mock a person, situation or thing.

[EMPYREAN]

IMO, WT dont need rods. all they need is a TP boost. maybe im wrong here but isent WT aimed against offencive techs and GT against support techs?
if u WTs want 30 support then GT needs 30 offencive too. simple as that.

[SATatami]

*insert phallus joke here*

[mll]

I am quite tired of the fT being sssooo much better with attack techs.
Dambarta with se4 freeze, Dammegid with se3 infect,
ra spells hitting 4 targets,
exclusive access to rods (and all the bonuses associated with them)
exclusive access to 31+ techs.
pp save on techs, theres probably hundreds more.
Its really over the top.

I really wish they'd just make attack techs useful for the hybrid classes
Every rebalance of techs only affects fT.

Anyway having said that we're balanced pretty we'll with the other techer classes imo,
I'm not bothered by the GT boost because its currently completely meaningless.

[PinkyBloodyArt]

Wow Mll my fT can is not so much better than an AT with techs yea my numbers look bigger but the AT cast much faster not only the 20% boost for AT but the rod vs wand makes a big difference in damage over time, oo so I can hit one more target with my Ra techs, but I still miss that dam mob headed right for me, the one I am aiming at to hit is 2 friends to either side only to get smacked in the face and take 1/3 of my life or more if I was not 104, I should do more damage I have no survivability other than evade, and try to evade while frozen. The ONLY thing a fT has is its tech damage take that away and you loose fT as a class

[icewyrm]

On 2008-02-20 12:28, DoubleJG3288 wrote:
As cool as that would be, WTs are melee first, techs second in my eyes. Rods are PURE force, and they should stay with FTs only. My WT loves his daggers and wands and will do just fine without rods thank you.



Eh, Fo 5 Hu 3 disagrees with you -_-
Also, since WT TP is quite a bit lower than FT to begin with, it wouldn't make much difference.

I'd like rods for a wartecher, even C class would be fine.

Why?

Coz I could be more lazy with my crappy lvl 20 buffs, and not have to switch wep hands just to cast the other 2 -_-

Yeah yeah, speed boost/tp regen blah blah. Less keys/wep switching = less key mashing overall.

Oh, and rods aren't FT exclusive. Forces can use them too no ;p

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[Kietrinia]

I would only wanna see a Wartecher with a rod if they could beat monsters to death with it. XD

[amtalx]

On 2008-02-21 07:14, Kietrinia wrote:
I would only wanna see a Wartecher with a rod if they could beat monsters to death with it. XD



Striker of Chao melee attack FTW.

[magicman34]

I say no to WT getting rod, just as with my thread not so long ago the majority said no to AT getting bows (even though they have to get some force levels). Some weapons are just meant for certainm jobs.

BUT, maybe we should be looking at the actual TECHS and how they are set. FT is a TECH specialist yet we don't get buffs to level 40, it amazing how before AOI everyone uses to say an FT is there for support and healing, now we are there as a battle mage.

Fortefighter should get every melee weapons at S rank and skill at 40
Fortegunner should get every range weapon at S rank and bullets at 40
Forttecher should get every casting weapon at S rank and TECH (both attack and support) at 40

As for the rest (techers that is) maybe SEGA should spilt the TECHS down more and not just say support / attack TECHS.

Why not give WT/GT/AT limited attack techs at either level 30 or 40, say only allow basic and ra TECHS. Give them all buffs to 30 or maybe only allow them to use megistar to level 30 or 40.

[Broodstar1337]

On 2008-02-21 11:10, magicman34 wrote:
I say no to WT getting rod, just as with my thread not so long ago the majority said no to AT getting bows (even though they have to get some force levels). Some weapons are just meant for certainm jobs.

BUT, maybe we should be looking at the actual TECHS and how they are set. FT is a TECH specialist yet we don't get buffs to level 40, it amazing how before AOI everyone uses to say an FT is there for support and healing, now we are there as a battle mage.

Fortefighter should get every melee weapons at S rank and skill at 40
Fortegunner should get every range weapon at S rank and bullets at 40
Forttecher should get every casting weapon at S rank and TECH (both attack and support) at 40

As for the rest (techers that is) maybe SEGA should spilt the TECHS down more and not just say support / attack TECHS.

Why not give WT/GT/AT limited attack techs at either level 30 or 40, say only allow basic and ra TECHS. Give them all buffs to 30 or maybe only allow them to use megistar to level 30 or 40.



Why bother having any other class in the game?

[Sekani]

As a wartecher, I say no to rods, cause there'd be little to no point.

I also don't want level 30 support, for reasons already stated elsewhere.

I do want a TP boost, which would be nice.

I do want to be able to use S-rank single sabers, just like every other class in the game (exaggeration).

Basically I'd like to see the "WAR" in wartecher boosted a little instead of turning the class into another nurse-maid. Level 20 support is fine for backup purposes anyway.

[Akaimizu]

I'm definitely for only having Fortetechers have rods. If anything, because there is no Technic access limitation for a class, like it was, in PSO. Tech levels, yes; but still access to levels of them within the class. It would've been quite unique, for instance, if you wanted to cast some Megid or Megiverse, you had to be fT or something like that. I think one of the older PSO revisions was No Megid or Grants to other tech users but full on forces. And then another one was that they had exclusive use to the tech that created a telepipe link.

Of course, I'm not comparing systems, but tech family limitations was a feature that would be interesting to see here. It would give tech access a variety, a bit closer to the way Bullet or Melee/Skill access is limited to the various fighter and gunner classes. Nothing overboard, as every techer that's meant to do certain things needs a proper compliment, but it could streamline some neat stuff to provide class direction.

[panzer_unit]

On 2008-02-20 18:54, majan wrote:
for the love of god,don't take rod exclusivity away from fortetechers. it is THE ONE AND ONLY THING* that sets fortetechers apart from the other classes in the game.

* BESIDES FORTETECHER BEING THE ONLY CLASS WITH AN EXCLUSIVE SKILL CAP ADVANTAGE.

[dc534]

Just give wartecher more atk power so they have as much as fighgunner that is all they need. Why make them have more tech damage, they are supposed to be good at fighting, acrotecher is the class for you if you wanna use techs with wands. I mean they should be more or less like fighgunners but with being able to use techs good instead of bullets. The only problem is that wartecher has just crazy defensive stats, you wont b e dying to much as a wartecher, unless you just suck, I mean every defensive stat is excellent. It actually kind of sux to have that much evasion as a fighting class because I would rather take the hit than block every single attack but I am just being picky.

Like I tell people if you dont like the class dont play it, try all the classes and pick whatever one you like, I am sure you will find a class you like.