AotI-PC/PS2: New PM Items are Glitched Topic >_>

[DarthLasek]

A friend of mine...went to the item exhange counter...and exchanged 5 omega acid for what he though were PM items...instead he got a 12* handgun...a S rank wand..and an S rank armor....but the thing is...THEY DON'T HAVE NAMES...they are blank...the descriptions are blank..and ALL the stats are just 10


EDIT: Updated the Title.


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[Syl]

Pics nao!

[Da_trader]

lmao they just items to feed ur pm u cant even equip them lmfao

[DarthLasek]

and he told me he cant equip any of them...OH boyee =..anyone know whats up?

[Syl]

On 2008-02-22 01:43, Da_trader wrote:
lmao they just items to feed ur pm u cant even equip them lmfao



That's true, but the fact that they came out as S rank stuff instead of PM devices means something's screwed up.

[Da_trader]

they suppose to be given to ur pm as FOOD!!!!!!!!! nothing else trust me go try it and feed it to ur pm ....they give like 40 pts

[DarthLasek]

maybe they are just PM feeding items I guess...I wasn't the one who bought em..he was just freaking out lol

[Da_trader]

lol i bought all four they just food items

[DarthLasek]

hmm..about to start collecting omega acid...good for feeding my armor pm i guess

[Silver_Wyrm]

lol@ immediate rollback call

[DarthLasek]

XD i was never affected by the last one lol...I also figured..last time servers came back in under 2 hours...well..you guys know the rest....didn't happen to me but my friend was spooked...i went and tried it...It is just PM food i guess

[Midicronica]

On 2008-02-22 01:42, SylviaEspada wrote:
Pics nao!



You need to be shot for that garbage in your signature. >_>;

[Tetsaru]

Here's your pics:

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff189/tetsaru_arigashi/psu20080222_031610_005.jpg
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff189/tetsaru_arigashi/psu20080222_031606_004.jpg
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff189/tetsaru_arigashi/psu20080222_031605_003.jpg
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff189/tetsaru_arigashi/psu20080222_031603_002.jpg

I dunno, but that looks VERY messed up to me.

[Sylpheed]

So uh, wtf. How do you even have the option to get this shit? Considering ST didn't update either server today unless they have fucked up yet again.

[Syl]

On 2008-02-22 02:01, Midicronica wrote:

On 2008-02-22 01:42, SylviaEspada wrote:
Pics nao!



You need to be shot for that garbage in your signature. >_>;



lol the vid?

I'm glad you loved it http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif

[Midicronica]

On 2008-02-22 02:16, SylviaEspada wrote:

On 2008-02-22 02:01, Midicronica wrote:

On 2008-02-22 01:42, SylviaEspada wrote:
Pics nao!



You need to be shot for that garbage in your signature. >_>;



lol the vid?

I'm glad you loved it http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif



I want 3:42 of my life back.



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[Syl]

I already owe people hours for making them watch it lol >.>

But from those pics, it doesn't really look like something that calls for a rollback. Still, I lol'd.

[pizzagirl]

On 2008-02-22 02:16, SylviaEspada wrote:

On 2008-02-22 02:01, Midicronica wrote:

On 2008-02-22 01:42, SylviaEspada wrote:
Pics nao!



You need to be shot for that garbage in your signature. >_>;



lol the vid?

I'm glad you loved it http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif



I actually did love it >.> Hilarious.

[Tetsaru]

On 2008-02-22 02:14, Sylpheed wrote:
So uh, wtf. How do you even have the option to get this shit? Considering ST didn't update either server today unless they have fucked up yet again.



Well apparently, they added some new items to trade for at the juice counter item exchange mission. There's 4 new items there that you can exchange 5 Omega Acids for apiece (forgot their exact names, but it had "PM" in it), but once I checked my inventory, THOSE things showed up... O_o;

Oh yeah, De Colt Line and that other Frying-Pan-ish weapon are there too. :3

[Syl]

Don't forget the Moatoob transfer ticket http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif

[easy]

cool all weps you go boy



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[Sylpheed]

On 2008-02-22 02:22, Tetsaru wrote:

On 2008-02-22 02:14, Sylpheed wrote:
So uh, wtf. How do you even have the option to get this shit? Considering ST didn't update either server today unless they have fucked up yet again.



Well apparently, they added some new items to trade for at the juice counter item exchange mission. There's 4 new items there that you can exchange 5 Omega Acids for apiece (forgot their exact names, but it had "PM" in it), but once I checked my inventory, THOSE things showed up... O_o;

Oh yeah, De Colt Line and that other Frying-Pan-ish weapon are there too. :3



Wow, this whole "we going to say theres no update so the players are all like woah thats a surprise" is getting right up my back. Of course, as always im sure it was unintentional just like the last month has been.

Kudos to ST.

[easy]

all they want you not to cheat for so you go on paying them for it FACT
They do not care about you the game just your money FACT

cheat if you like its your game your life be free

one FACT a will say they do not have the right to ban you for
glitchings they make the game and they let glitchs be their
in the game bad game developers make bad games

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[Sylpheed]

On 2008-02-22 02:31, easy wrote:
all they want you not to cheat for so you go on paying them for it FACT
They do not care about you the game just your money FACT

cheat if you like its your game your life be free

one FACT a will say they do not have the right to ban you for
glitchings they make the game and they let glitchs be their
in the game bad game developers make bad games

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And this has relevance to this thread how?

[Chibi_psu]

they added too 2 burning rangers songs i love the 02 http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[Fox_Makenshi]

On 2008-02-22 02:31, easy wrote:
all they want you not to cheat for so you go on paying them for it FACT
They do not care about you the game just your money FACT

cheat if you like its your game your life be free

one FACT a will say they do not have the right to ban you for
glitchings they make the game and they let glitchs be their
in the game bad game developers make bad games

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Well they ban people who glitch because those people tend to ABUSE it. They don't have the time or motivation to go through every case individually so they just say "oh they glitched." -ban-

Love,
Fox Makenshi

[Kairi_Li]

So, is it safe to exchange the new stuff at the juice cafe or should I hold back for now?

[amtalx]

Has anyone experienced the same thing on 360? It might just be mag food that ST was too lazy to give a name...or someone slept on the backspace key.

[Deissa]

They SHOULD have a name and description, but the reason the stats are so awful is because they're only meant to be used as PM food. And they didn't add the items on 360 yet. >_>

[Sylpheed]

Check this thread, Enjoy PS2/PC:

http://boards2.sega.com/psu_board/viewtopic.php?t=71795

[DarthLasek]

i read all of that to know that it was a hoax..which..we already knew it was? O_o

[Weeaboolits]

I put a Fighroll in my common box, it's showing up as an S-rank saber named [B] Rabol Lefba.

[Para]

My bets on this update is a result of Microsoft approving updates too slowly thus 360 gets nothing and PS2/PC get a gimped update.

[Ryna]

If you traded for these items, I would suggest ditching them right now.

I traded for the PM Fighgroll earlier, signed off, and logged back on. My character's entire active inventory disappeared.

[Para]

On 2008-02-22 06:26, Ryna wrote:
If you traded for these items, I would suggest ditching them right now.

I traded for the PM Fighgroll earlier, signed off, and logged back on. My character's entire active inventory disappeared.


Two words: Oh snap!

That's a pretty mean glitch or sega is in the process of pwning people with the item.

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[amtalx]

On 2008-02-22 06:26, Ryna wrote:
If you traded for these items, I would suggest ditching them right now.

I traded for the PM Fighgroll earlier, signed off, and logged back on. My character's entire active inventory disappeared.



WOW

Rollback plz.

[Ryna]

Also, my class is showing up as "Fortetecher," but I can't equip any rods/wands/tech-mags right now.

[Para]

I demand that SEGA give us updates now since they fucked us up. Anyways indeed I think bugged items will only cause a glitch to spread further so its best not to keep them.

[JarinKail]

Yikes. I feel for y'all. I'm glad I'm on 360 right now.

[Ryna]

Anyone have a link to the relevant report form? All I'm turning up is the Abusive Behavior form.

[amtalx]

I think the moral of the story is: Don't play PSU right after an update. Too many people have gotten boned.

[chu-chu-chu]

at some point, sega is going to have to give us all a free month or somesuch. their performance running this has been completely unprofessional.

if not, SEGA HIRE ME! I CAN BE INCOMPETENT! Will screw things up for cash!

[Weeaboolits]

Its name changed to megistaride, then into glitchy boxes, I sold it to the NPC after reading Ryna's post.

[Neith]

Wow, harsh glitch, kinda glad I can't get past Gameguard to get on now, I guess.

Ryna, sometimes when I've had a problem I've just entered an Abusive Behaviour form, and it's been forwarded to the tech support staff.

[Weeaboolits]

I got rid of it and logged on and off, my data is fine, but if other people are losing their items and such, I certainly wouldn't mind a rollback.

I just hope if they do have to do one, they don't wait half a day then spend the other half rolling back data.

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[Reipard]

Ewww, it's deleting inventories?

My apologies, Ryna >_<. That really sucks. Blargh.

[Ryna]

I imagine it erased my inventory because the system checked for "invalid" items at logon. Since the items are obviously glitched and showing up as random names, that would do the trick.

The wipe also erased all my Photon Arts.

[Gunslinger-08]

On 2008-02-22 06:26, Ryna wrote:
If you traded for these items, I would suggest ditching them right now.

I traded for the PM Fighgroll earlier, signed off, and logged back on. My character's entire active inventory disappeared.



0_0 OMG... I'm glad I haven't even signed on today.

[Marche]

i fed all mine to my PM, just to be safe

[Keiko_Seisha]

The glitch must be selective then, as I traded for THREE PM Techgrolls this morning and got disconnected, logged on and still had them and everything else that I had before. By now though I stuck them in my common box and fed them to my raising tech PM.

Edit: Sorry, got my days mixed up and typed "yesterday" by accident.

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[RemiusTA]

Im sure the problem is that these are completely serverside items, these glitches are too serious to just be drop problems.

Its giving you data items that dont exist. (No description or anything.)

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[Gunslinger-08]

I smell a rollback.

[JAFO22000]

Week after week, ST keeps giving people more reassurance that they really don't know what the fuck they are doing, and yet I'm sure there are still those who will defend them to no end. Eventually, these people will not have a leg to stand on. I mean, they haven't gotten much right since the release of AoI.

I wonder what their approval rating will be after this latest mishap. If what happened to Ryna happens to other people, there will be a rollback.

[Neith]

On 2008-02-22 07:39, JAFO22000 wrote:
I wonder what their approval rating will be after this latest mishap. If what happened to Ryna happens to other people, there will be a rollback.



To be honest, I'd actually be thankful for a rollback- these PM items clearly aren't functioning correctly, and if players are losing items (even if Ryna's case is a lone one), I'd rather a rollback to make sure everything's working correctly- even if it means we don't get the PM items again until next week.

[Gunslinger-08]

On 2008-02-22 07:43, UrikoBB3 wrote:

On 2008-02-22 07:39, JAFO22000 wrote:
I wonder what their approval rating will be after this latest mishap. If what happened to Ryna happens to other people, there will be a rollback.



To be honest, I'd actually be thankful for a rollback- these PM items clearly aren't functioning correctly, and if players are losing items (even if Ryna's case is a lone one), I'd rather a rollback to make sure everything's working correctly- even if it means we don't get the PM items again until next week.



I do agree. Though I remain disappointed that Sega's had this string of updates where something doesn't work the way its supposed to or something does/doesn't happen with the update. For a brief time, I was rooting for ST. Now it's gone. Totally gone.

[Jarek]

Why am I not entirely surprised.



in before another forum's goers sees Ryna's posts and thinks it's hilarous

[ShuttleXpC]

Well, Kef the mod on the official forums is already denouncing this as a bug, saying its just PM food. He has already closed a topic cause of it. I think I'll believe the mod over some random person until ST announces something else. BTW, had over 3 of these items on each of my alternate account to test it. I've relogged about 10 times on each character, nothing is happening. So I too am calling BS to these claims.

[Nisshoku]

This is why I pretty much the PM food, and directly fed it to my PM. No problems.

[ShuttleXpC]

I'm just going by what I've seen too. If it happened to the person, sorry. As I've been testing it the last hour, logging off and on to my alternate account which has 3 of the items on each toon, one in PM, one in Common box and one in inventory of the character.

Nothing bad has happened to me yet, which doesn't necessarily mean nothing bad will not happen. Just sorta weird =/.


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[bagleyboy]

It may just be happening to certain people, but it's happening, and people are calling for a rollback.

[ShuttleXpC]

Still no luck lol, I must have relogged almost 40 times now on each character with the items in my inventory. I guess its like winning a contest or something >.<;

[Marche]

On 2008-02-22 08:34, ShuttleXpC wrote:
Still no luck lol, I must have relogged almost 40 times now on each character with the items in my inventory. I guess its like winning a contest or something >.<;



But the prize is something NOBODY wants

[ShuttleXpC]

I have nothing but junk on the characters inventory atm, and level 1 PA I purchased to test this. So even if the game does bug me *gasp* I lose some monomates and silence traps nuuu~~~

[pokefiend]

As long as Ryna is the only person affected by this rare bug (which is what the evidence strongly suggests so far), I think SoA won't need to rollback the servers. They'll just handle Ryna's issue exclusively.

On another note, I think many people need to take a couple breath's and reflect on the whole issue at hand before more irrational judgements are made against Sonic Team or Sega of America. We're not even certain if there was a bug in PS2/PC's mainteniance.

[RegulusHikari]

The items are bugged, how can people not see this?

The PM Rolls add 40 to a stat
10* S rank weapons also add 40 to a particular stat

ST probably forgot to upload the actual PM item, so the game scrambles to find an item with code that matches the PM roll. Fighgrolls turn into 10* sabers, Bullegrolls turn into 10* handguns and so on.

As for items disappearing, I don't doubt it. Unnamed bugged items with glitched stats don't usually NOT have side effects in games like this.

[Ryna]

If anyone wants to try to reproduce the bug, try trading for all four PM items. That is what I had in my inventory at the time. After that, I went back to my room, signed off, and logged on as another character to update the luck chart. I then signed back on to my main and that is when the inventory/PA wipe happened.

[PrinceBrightstar]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoiX6P3hrKI

[JAFO22000]

I wonder what ST is going to blame this mistake on? They can't use "MS bureaucracy!" or "we tested it, but when it went to Live it didn't work! Not our fault!" this time.

[PrinceBrightstar]

They can blame it the 2 month desync between the JP and US/EU servers.

Apparently there was another side effect.

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/4070/psu20080222ki6.th.png (http://img98.imageshack.us/my.php?image=psu20080222ki6.png)

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[JAFO22000]

Actually, this is how Acrofighter should be....lol! amirite!

[Kylie]

Wait, we got new items?

[PrinceBrightstar]

With only 4 weapons with letter grades?

[Neith]

On 2008-02-22 09:33, JAFO22000 wrote:
Actually, this is how Acrofighter should be....lol! amirite!



Well, 99% of aF's would be fine with that, as long as they keep S-Rank Slicers http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

On a serious note, that's really messed up. I'm not playing until a rollback is confirmed/denied.

[PrinceBrightstar]

Here's some more.
http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/8245/psu20080222123203001ok9.png
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/9114/psu20080222123204002ff7.png
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/4716/psu20080222123205003on0.png
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/2450/psu20080222123206004iv9.png
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/277/psu20080222123207005zn0.png
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/4575/psu20080222123208006bg8.png
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/9901/psu20080222123209007ur6.png
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/7092/psu20080222123210008pd5.png
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/347/psu20080222123211009hu0.png
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/2867/psu20080222123212010fn7.png
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/2946/psu20080222123213011xb5.png

[RegulusHikari]

On 2008-02-22 09:52, Jonathan_F wrote:
Here's some more.
http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/8245/psu20080222123203001ok9.png
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/9114/psu20080222123204002ff7.png
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/4716/psu20080222123205003on0.png
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/2450/psu20080222123206004iv9.png
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/277/psu20080222123207005zn0.png
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/4575/psu20080222123208006bg8.png
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/9901/psu20080222123209007ur6.png
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/7092/psu20080222123210008pd5.png
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/347/psu20080222123211009hu0.png
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/2867/psu20080222123212010fn7.png
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/2946/psu20080222123213011xb5.png



I almost cried out FIGHMASTER when I saw the first one, but I realized that's offline stats. The others must be glitched because advanced classes don't exist offline.

Try to level the char and get him to equip a rod as a hunter. If it works, then this is one nasty glitch and will probably constitute a rollback.

[Siertes]

On 2008-02-22 09:52, Jonathan_F wrote:
Here's some more.
http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/8245/psu20080222123203001ok9.png
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/9114/psu20080222123204002ff7.png
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/4716/psu20080222123205003on0.png
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/2450/psu20080222123206004iv9.png
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/277/psu20080222123207005zn0.png
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/4575/psu20080222123208006bg8.png
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/9901/psu20080222123209007ur6.png
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/7092/psu20080222123210008pd5.png
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/347/psu20080222123211009hu0.png
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/2867/psu20080222123212010fn7.png
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/2946/psu20080222123213011xb5.png



*Looks at first three pics*

OMG masterclasses! *Runs for fear of starting retarded rumors*

[Kylie]

http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif Looks like your data got switched with offline's. I'm still confused because I've no idea what all was added, etc., but I guess I'll go log in and see for myself. I won't do anything productive though until rollback is confirmed or denied (not that I would anyway http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif).

[Gryffin]

Awww. The S rank stuff only sells for 100 too.


TT_TT

[Reipard]

I imagine it erased my inventory because the system checked for "invalid" items at logon. Since the items are obviously glitched and showing up as random names, that would do the trick.

The wipe also erased all my Photon Arts.

I'd definitely complain then >_<. That isn't right at all.


Week after week, ST keeps giving people more reassurance that they really don't know what the fuck they are doing, and yet I'm sure there are still those who will defend them to no end. Eventually, these people will not have a leg to stand on. I mean, they haven't gotten much right since the release of AoI.

I wonder what their approval rating will be after this latest mishap. If what happened to Ryna happens to other people, there will be a rollback.

I can understand a fuckup on occasion, but this is starting to get ridiculous. Misinformation on updates, constant introduction of glitches and bugs, missions released that either should not have been or should have been later, etc. Whoever they have testing and managing their updates needs to be re-evaluated and/or removed from the process.



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[RegulusHikari]

On 2008-02-22 10:18, Reipard wrote:
Whoever they have testing and managing their updates



I lol'd. ST doesn't test updates. That much is obvious. Sometimes I wonder if any of them even play this game.

[Reipard]

They do test updates- Clumsy has at least confirmed or inferred that testing went on at one time. Apparently they don't test updates enough, though.

[Lyric]

There was an announcement in game about them just now. I don't know if there was earlier though, this is the first time I saw it.

[xJakkalx]

I had the same problem as Ryna, a good ol' throw-back to the days of FSOD. I love losing the beloved items in my inventory!

I believe I even saw Mr. Johnathan_F testing the glitch. I bought the first three -groll items, then a second of the fighgroll. I went back to my room, only to find that I had a few nameless S-rank items with no description. So I got worried.

I logged off to see if it was some temporary glitch, and when I logged back on, no items.

...it let me keep my money, though.

What a great first post, am I right?

[Reipard]

Let me confirm something- it erases only your current inventory, right? PM and common box are 100% safe?

[xJakkalx]

It didn't erase anything but my active inventory. My pm storage and common box stuff still remain untouched.

[Jarek]

On 2008-02-22 10:30, Lyric wrote:
There was an announcement in game about them just now. I don't know if there was earlier though, this is the first time I saw it.



I've been on a few hours now not really doing anything, first I've seen it.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y70/bizkit04/New%20PSU%20Pics/Warning01.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y70/bizkit04/New%20PSU%20Pics/Warning02.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y70/bizkit04/New%20PSU%20Pics/Warning03.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y70/bizkit04/New%20PSU%20Pics/Warning04.jpg

[pokefiend]

On 2008-02-22 10:21, RegulusHikari wrote
I lol'd. ST doesn't test updates. That much is obvious. Sometimes I wonder if any of them even play this game.

You realize how ridiculously dumb that sounds?

You seem awfully serious, and if so, how do you explain the Japanese servers dodging this bug, when they receive similiar maintainences? Obviously something went enexpectedly wrong when SoA was uploading the maintainence to the PS2/PC server. True it is their fault, but just the same, SoA will take full reponsibility, by compensating each player's lost. (Like they've always had in the past)


On 2008-02-22 10:35, Jarek wrote:

[b]On 2008-02-22 10:30, Lyric wrote:
There was an announcement in game about them just now. I don't know if there was earlier though, this is the first time I saw it.

EDIT:

I've been on a few hours now not really doing anything, first I've seen it.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y70/bizkit04/New%20PSU%20Pics/Warning01.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y70/bizkit04/New%20PSU%20Pics/Warning02.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y70/bizkit04/New%20PSU%20Pics/Warning03.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y70/bizkit04/New%20PSU%20Pics/Warning04.jpg

This seems to lead in the opposite direction of a rollback. I guess SoA will be handling each grievance, individually.

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[chu-chu-chu]

On 2008-02-22 10:35, pokefiend wrote:

[b]On 2008-02-22 10:21, RegulusHikari wrote
I lol'd. ST doesn't test updates. That much is obvious. Sometimes I wonder if any of them even play this game.

You realize how ridiculously dumb that sounds?

You seem awfully serious, and if so, how do you explain the Japanese servers dodging this bug, when they receive similiar maintainences? Obviously something went enexpectedly wrong when SoA was uploading the maintainence to the PS2/PC server. True it is their fault, but just the same, SoA will take full reponsibility, by compensating each player's lost. (Like they've always had in the past)

Yes!

I love your world of unicorns and sunshine!

RAInBOW POWAH! lol!

What from the past several months of screwups leads you to believe that they are competent?

>.>

[Ryna]

On 2008-02-22 10:34, xJakkalx wrote:
It didn't erase anything but my active inventory. My pm storage and common box stuff still remain untouched.


Did you check your Photon Arts?

[Jarek]

Just announced the same message again.

[RegulusHikari]

On 2008-02-22 10:35, pokefiend wrote:
You realize how ridiculously dumb that sounds?

You seem awfully serious, and if so, how do you explain the Japanese servers dodging this bug, when they receive similiar maintainences? Obviously something went enexpectedly wrong when SoA was uploading the maintainence to the PS2/PC server. True it is their fault, but just the same, SoA will take full reponsibility, by compensating each player's lost. (Like they've always had in the past)



I'm sorry, but maybe you don't understand the responsibility of running a business. I let the first rollback slip because it could have been a simple mistake.

But when you have repeat offenses of the same shit falling to pieces over and over and OVER AGAIN, it gets old, and it pisses of the fanbase. Sorry, but Sonic Team is a BUSINESS, and they need to present themselves as such, not a bunch of monkeys with ADHD. They need to get their shit together and their act under control, because right now, they're getting paid to do almost nothing.

SoA is a pile of flaming failure. They have code and updates handed to them by SoJ, and what do they do with it? Translation errors, inappropriately sized windows that don't fit on the screen, and items that completely wipe accounts. If they had any ounce of care left for the PS series, they wouldn't be butchering and neglecting it like some terrible disease.

NONE of this shit is tested, it's thrown on an automatic update schedule with bugs and errors for us to find. Isn't that ST's job? No. ST's job is "THREE WEEKS OF MEGAHOLY LUCK YEY".

[Lyric]

Yeah, going on that I would say a rollback is imminent. Unless they can somehow quarantine the people who lost their things...which is unlikely.

[Mewnie]

Yeah, even with the warning, there'll still be idiots who can't resist pressing the big shiny red button.

[Vashyron]

We will probably have to rollback -- if for no other reason then to make sure that these items are completely removed from the game and not hiding in gift wrapped boxes or something...

-Chill

[Lyric]

There it is. Emergency maintenence. Here comes the roll back :3

[DonRoyale]

"Servers will most likely be shut down for emergancy maitenance."

I don't know what ST does worse: Fuck up or congraturate our intelligance. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

[Jarek]

A third warning, and this:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y70/bizkit04/New%20PSU%20Pics/Warning05.jpg

[Xaeris]

I guess it's necessary. But damn, I pulled out a 28% serafi-senba earlier. I guess this means it has the chance to be higher, but if we get back on and it's 12%, I'm gonna /wrist.

[RedCoKid]

I'm guessing that your shop's Photon Gacha would not be the proper place to dispose of these items?

(That's why we need a rollback.)

[DonRoyale]

No rollback.

ST should fix this shit up the hard way and learn to do things right for once. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_argh.gif

[Sord]

well, what with possibility of maintenance, I didn't want to do anything worth my time, as I would inevitably lose. So I set out to do something that is of no real value at all and birthed out of boredom.

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[Kion]

agreed with donroyale. the few people who did it out of accident can be taken cae of, but why do we have to lose hours of gameplay because idiots decide to test out an obvious glitch? they deserve to have all of their items wiped.

[DonRoyale]

Well, I wouldn't go so far as to call the people who got the items idiots. They're not, ST is at fault for letting something this massive happen. The people who had that unfortunate tragedy happen to them shouldn't have to lose all their items. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_nono.gif

[TheOneHero]

Sord, you win the internets.

Al Gore has nothing on you.

[Jarek]

lol Sord
I went to the casino to try and win big for the hell of it.
And I promptly lost my 11 silver in 2 spins. It was disappointing..I was hoping to win like a Gold then lose it epically. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

[Weak]

I can only respond to this in Super Mega form.

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[Powder Keg]

Hahaha! They can't even spell emergency!!

[Yunfa]

Phew, good thing SEGA didnt sneak the same "little extra content" for the 360.

@Kion, what about the people who was not aware of the glitch such as one of the Mods here at pso-world? Does the Mod deserve to have their items wiped? (Are the people in your sig Korean?)

[Powder Keg]

On 2008-02-22 11:27, Kion wrote:
agreed with donroyale. the few people who did it out of accident can be taken cae of, but why do we have to lose hours of gameplay because idiots decide to test out an obvious glitch? they deserve to have all of their items wiped.



Oh, no, I mean....no one could have just tried to get items they needed without knowing....it just doesn't seem likely....


http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i194/arabian_disco/Murder-OMG.gif

[ryvius]

This is the second time they've misspelled emergency... :l

[pokefiend]

@Chu: If you actually take the time and look at each incident individually, you'll discover that SoA isn't as incompetent as you believe. With that said, let me open your mind to a wider perspective.

The Xbox 360 S Grinder Glitch: Phantasy Star Universe was originally for PC and PS2, nevertheless Sonic Team saw the larger profit angle of releasing the game on Xbox360 as well, therefore rushed a port out on release day. Unfortunately ST didn't forsee the added difficulties of programing an Online RPG on the 360, and as a result, the Grinder S glitch came to be.

Nonetheless, SoA recognized the problem once it was discovered by the cummunity, and acted on it immediately, by warning the server about the consequences in abusing the glitch, then later baned the users who failed to comply. IMO SoA undergone a professional response. Furthermore, after banning all of the found abusers, SoA, met each offender's case, and decided who should be granted another chance or not. In fact, I know of a friend who was granted back his Gurdian Liscense not too long ago.

The early PS2/PC Hacking: I think the title explains it well. SoA had just began searching for personnel to maintain the servers. Meanwhile the PSU PS2/PC server became a vulnerable script-kiddie playground with no official GMs and a dated GameGuard security system. (If this same argument was brought up during these days, I'd actually agree with you.)

Nevertheless, once SoA finally gathered the needed resources, they acted quickly and banned every found hacker on the server.

Ever since the massive banning, the PS2/PC server has been operating in a healthy condition, with gameguard receiving updates ever so often and GMs responding to reports of new hackers and/or reports of lost items (the PM/shop bombing incident is one great example of this.) As a matter of fact, any PS2/PC user would tell you now that the their economy has been recovering significantly, over the months.

The First Xbox360-PS2/PC server rollback: In a content update, weeks prior to the winter event, SoA conducted their first accidentally bugged maintainence check. However, be as it may, immediately after 3-4 hours the servers luanched online and the bug shortly discovered, SoA di-activated both servers and carried out a 4 hour rollback. Of course, after the rollback, SoA took full responsibility for the incident, and compensated their accident by rewarding every PSU user 3 weeks of *3 luck.

I think I've proven to you just how competent SoA and ST have acted in the past. Even now, the GMs are warning the entire PS2/PC server about the bug, and probably setting up some method of compensation. You're mind seems to interpret every bad incident as ST or SoA's lack of ability to operate an online RPG server, but truthfully, the real problem is: Sega can't afford to hire a larger staff and keep the US/EU PS2/PC servers maintained as well as other, more popular online servers, like for instance the JP PS2/PC server.

The fact seems to fly over everyone's head that there's a giant profit gap between the JP's server and the EU/US' servers. That's primarily why you rarely hear maintainence bugs, glitching exploits and abusive hackers on the JP PS2/PC server.

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[Kion]

On 2008-02-22 11:40, Yunfa wrote:
@Kion, what about the people who was not aware of the glitch such as one of the Mods here at pso-world? Does the Mod deserve to have their items wiped? (Are the people in your sig Korean?)

I wasn't entirely serious when i said that. Individuals losing their inventory and the entire poplation losing several hours; both are unfortunate out comes whether there is an rollback or not. I'm going wait and see what ST does with it, i was only on for 15 minutes today anyways http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif.

Yunfa, you know your asians. the people in my sig are korean. New feature: added MV on click.

Edit: and Artea i think i cracked a rib from laughing at the gif you posted.

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[Gunslinger-08]

On 2008-02-22 12:05, pokefiend wrote:
The fact seems to fly over everyone's head that there's a giant profit gap between the JP's server and the EU/US' servers. That's primarily why you rarely hear maintainence bugs, glitching exploits and abusive hackers on the JP PS2/PC server.


This... is so true.

[JAFO22000]

On 2008-02-22 12:05, pokefiend wrote:
@Chu: If you actually take the time and look at each incident individually, you'll discover that SoA isn't as incompetent as you believe. With that said, let me open your mind to a wider perspective.


Oh they are even MORE incompetent than I believe...



The Xbox 360 S Grinder Glitch: Phantasy Star Universe was originally for PC and PS2, nevertheless Sonic Team saw the larger profit angle of releasing the game on Xbox360 as well, therefore rushed a port out on release day. Unfortunately ST didn't forsee the added difficulties of programing an Online RPG on the 360, and as a result, the Grinder S glitch came to be.

This grinder glitch was because they "rushed a 360 port" of the game? Why did it not surface for more than a year after the original game was released? Come to think of it, the game wasn't really glitchy or screwed up much until AoI was released, which they should have had plenty of time to test and ensure quality.



Nonetheless, SoA recognized the problem once it was discovered by the cummunity, and acted on it immediately, by warning the server about the consequences in abusing the glitch, then later baned the users who failed to comply. IMO SoA undergone a professional response. Furthermore, after banning all of the found abusers, SoA, met each offender's case, and decided who should be granted another chance or not. In fact, I know of a friend who was granted back his Gurdian Liscense not too long ago.

This is true however, if not for the people demanding action for other issues over the prior year, none of this would've happened. You may call people who complain about ST's lackluster customer service "complainers", but these "complainers" are the ones who forced ST into action. If everyone were a lobotomized, blind ST follower and never complained about anything, do you think they would've made changes to the way they responded to issues in the past???



The early PS2/PC Hacking: I think the title explains it well. SoA had just began searching for personnel to maintain the servers.

Why didn't they already have these people in place?


Meanwhile the PSU PS2/PC server became a vulnerable script-kiddie playground with no official GMs and a dated GameGuard security system. (If this same argument was brought up during these days, I'd actually agree with you.)

This WAS the argument during those days



Nevertheless, once SoA finally gathered the needed resources, they acted quickly and banned every found hacker on the server.

I don't think 3+ months is "quickly".



Ever since the massive banning, the PS2/PC server has been operating in a healthy condition, with gameguard receiving updates ever so often and GMs responding to reports of new hackers and/or reports of lost items (the PM/shop bombing incident is one great example of this.) As a matter of fact, any PS2/PC user would tell you now that the their economy has been recovering significantly, over the months.

It's too bad their player base didn't recover though. ST's reaction time to the hacking on the PC/PS2 servers caused many people to quit. While their economy may have recovered, I doubt their player base ever will.



The First Xbox360-PS2/PC server rollback: In a content update, weeks prior to the winter event, SoA conducted their first accidentally bugged maintainence check. However, be as it may, immediately after 3-4 hours the servers luanched online and the bug shortly discovered..

(by a paying customer)...


...SoA di-activated both servers and carried out a 4 hour rollback. Of course, after the rollback, SoA took full responsibility for the incident, and compensated their accident by rewarding every PSU user 3 weeks of *3 luck.

Yay Sonic Team!! I would have to chalk the Debug mission left on (this is what you're referring to here, right?) as a lack of controls at ST. When performing maintenance, there should be a checklist which is then double checked and tested to ensure correctness. Do they have any controls? Who knows. With the amount of errors which happened in the last 3 months, I would have to say "No".



I think I've proven to you just how competent SoA and ST have acted in the past. Even now, the GMs are warning the entire PS2/PC server about the bug

(found by a paying customer...again!)...


...and probably setting up some method of compensation.

read: rollback


You're mind seems to interpret every bad incident as ST or SoA's lack of ability to operate an online RPG server, but truthfully, the real problem is: Sega can't afford to hire a larger staff and keep the US/EU PS2/PC servers maintained as well as other, more popular online servers, like for instance the JP PS2/PC server.

Didn't they just hire two new people!?!?!? I would assume they have at least 5 people (chillaura, eggshen, Clumsy and the two new people). 5 employees is not enough to ensure things are running correctly?



The fact seems to fly over everyone's head that there's a giant profit gap between the JP's server and the EU/US' servers.

Even though the NA/EU servers don't bring in as much money as the JP servers doesn't mean they deserve less service. They have enough money to ensure these issues don't happen. I mean, extreme lowballing of the amount of paying US subscribers per month is 20,000. I think we can all agree that this is a low number. 20,000 people paying $10/month translates into 200,000/month, which is 2.4 million/year generated by the NA/EU (again, this is only assuming 20,000 players/month!). Now, let's be generous and say that the 5 mods at SoA make 60,000/year. That is 300,000/year in payroll costs, less other expenses....hell, let's say that all other expenses total 1 million for the year. This still leaves 1.1 million of pure profit. I bet if you looked at Sega's books you'd be disgusted by how much money they're actually making off of this game.


That's primarily why you rarely hear maintainence bugs, glitching exploits and abusive hackers on the JP PS2/PC server.

No, we don't hear about them because the US players who play on these servers would NEVER tell you that anything is wrong over there.



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[xJakkalx]

Be that as it may...I'd just like my items back!

Please, Sonic Team?

...Oh, right.

Yup. All of my photon arts are gone too, Ryna.

[DonRoyale]

ST can go fuck itself. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_argh.gif

[Kismet]

Damn, had a lot to say, didn't cha? XD

[pokefiend]

Before I begin my brief reply, let me first make one note clear. I have no problem with people complaining about a bug in PSU or some annoying glitch. That's how problems get fixed afterall. Truthfully, I'm annoyed by how some people irrationally judge Sonic Team's and Sega of America's abilities without any real understanding or empathy of what both companies go through.


On 2008-02-22 12:43, JAFO22000 wrote:
blah blah blah... SoA only needs to pay 5 employee salaries to properly maintain both EU/US servers.


That's primarily why you rarely hear maintainence bugs, glitching exploits and abusive hackers on the JP PS2/PC server.

No, we don't hear about them because the US players who play on these servers would NEVER tell you that anything is wrong over there.

O'rly?

Over the numerous months I've been active around PSOW, I've only once read of a glitch/bug fix in all of Espio's JP server Update translations. Meanwhile I've read dozons of glitch/bug fixes within the US/EU official server Updates. I think this is evident enough to suggest the few maintenance bugs the EU/US servers have received, are the cause of SoA's lact of man-power, at least in comparason to SoJ's.

JAFO, you also mentioned SoA hiring two new employees recently? Don't you find that too much of a coincidence? I can't help but come to the conclusion that this bug was the cause behind possibly the two new employee's lack of experience. Yes... that seems probably the most resonable answer to everything.



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[PALRAPPYS]

On 2008-02-22 13:25, pokefiend wrote:
Before I begin my brief reply, let me first make one note clear. I have no problem with people complaining about a bug in PSU or some annoying glitch. That's how problems get fixed afterall. Truthfully, I'm annoyed by how some people irrationally judge Sonic Team's and Sega of America's abilities without any real understanding or empathy of what both companies go through.


On 2008-02-22 12:43, JAFO22000 wrote:
blah blah blah... SoA only needs to pay 5 employee salaries to properly maintain both EU/US servers.


That's primarily why you rarely hear maintainence bugs, glitching exploits and abusive hackers on the JP PS2/PC server.

No, we don't hear about them because the US players who play on these servers would NEVER tell you that anything is wrong over there.

O'rly?

Over the numerous months I've been active around PSOW, I've only once read of a glitch/bug fix in all of Espio's JP server Update translations. Meanwhile I've read dozons of glitch/bug fixes within the US/EU official server Updates. I think this is evident enough to suggest the few maintenance bugs the EU/US servers have received, are the cause of SoA's lact of man-power, at least in comparason to SoJ's.

JAFO, you also mentioned SoA hiring two new employees recently? Don't you find that too much of a coincidence? I can't help but come to the conclusion that this bug was the cause behind possibly the two new employee's lack of experience. Yes... that seems probably the most resonable answer to everything.

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Sonic Team still makes a lot of mistakes. No denying that Abby. They're not perfect; they're at least trying though, so I personally don't mind.

However... the 2 new employees should have NOTHING to do with this error for PC/PS2... the others should have been working on it if they weren't, and if so, well... they might need to recheck their coding before confirmation. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif

[JAFO22000]

On 2008-02-22 13:25, pokefiend wrote:
Before I begin my brief reply, let me first make one note clear. I have no problem with people complaining about a bug in PSU or some annoying glitch. That's how problems get fixed afterall. With that said, I'm annoyed how some people irrationally judge Sonic Team's and Sega of America's abilities without any real understanding or empathy of what both companies go through.


On 2008-02-22 12:43, JAFO22000 wrote:
blah blah blah... SoA only needs to pay 5 employee salaries to properly maintain both EU/US servers.


That's primarily why you rarely hear maintainence bugs, glitching exploits and abusive hackers on the JP PS2/PC server.

No, we don't hear about them because the US players who play on these servers would NEVER tell you that anything is wrong over there.

O'rly?

Over the numerous months I've been active around PSOW, I've only once read of a glitch/bug fix in all of Espio's JP server Update translations. Meanwhile I've read dozons of glitch/bug fixes within the US/EU official server Updates. I think this is evident enough to suggest the few maintenance bugs the EU/US servers have received, are the cause of SoA's lact of man-power, at least in comparason to SoJ's.

JAFO, you also mentioned SoA hiring two new employees recently? Don't you find that too much of a coincidence? I can't help but come to the conclusion that this bug was the cause behind possibly the two new employee's lack of experience. Yes... that seems probably the most resonable answer to everything.



Wait, you honestly think that SoA is coding these updates???? I believe that all of the updated material is produced in the SoJ offices. All that has to happen from SoA is assurance that it works on the NA/EU servers. For instance, if a toaster were made in Japan and they wanted to import this toaster to the US do you think that they would totally rebuild the whole toaster over here? No, they would build the same toaster in Japan, ship it over to the US and have the US subsidiary of the company take over the labeling/packaging/marketing of such. Same with PSU. They create all of the update material over there (hell, most of the update material is in the game code already; they're just really unlocking it!) and send it over here for unlocking. It is SoA's job to ensure that it runs satisfactorily on our servers.....and THIS is where the problems happen.

I don't think the hiring of the two new employees explains the most recent bug. Had there been no bugs, then they hired two employees and bugs started happening I would agree with you. But these glitches, bugs, mistakes, whatever you may call them have been around for awhile. I don't think the hiring of two new people was the cause of this weeks debacle; I think it's an effect of past bumblings by SoA.

[pokefiend]

On 2008-02-22 13:35, JAFO22000 wrote:
Wait, you honestly think that SoA is coding these updates???? I believe that all of the updated material is produced in the SoJ offices. All that has to happen from SoA is assurance that it works on the NA/EU servers. For instance, if a toaster were made in Japan and they wanted to import this toaster to the US do you think that they would totally rebuild the whole toaster over here? No, they would build the same toaster in Japan, ship it over to the US and have the US subsidiary of the company take over the labeling/packaging/marketing of such. Same with PSU. They create all of the update material over there (hell, most of the update material is in the game code already; they're just really unlocking it!) and send it over here for unlocking. It is SoA's job to ensure that it runs satisfactorily on our servers.....and THIS is where the problems happen.

I don't think the hiring of the two new employees explains the most recent bug. Had there been no bugs, then they hired two employees and bugs started happening I would agree with you. But these glitches, bugs, mistakes, whatever you may call them have been around for awhile. I don't think the hiring of two new people was the cause of this weeks debacle; I think it's an effect of past bumblings by SoA.



Your comparason is hardly valid. You can't compare Toasters with Software. I might not know much about handling and managing software, but I do know it needs to be translated in numerous of ways when it's ported. And if I'm not mistaken that is SoA, SoE's job.

I've seen no proof of this bug occurring on the Japanese server, so this supports the idea even more that this bug is the cause behind a mistake done by SoA.

This bug also looks like a translation error, seeing as there is no name, or description on any of the four items. My interpretation is: The Two new employees--out of lack of experience--may have mistakenly inputted the 4 items as weapons and not as PM food, corrupting the data in some player's PSU disc.

I'll remind everyone again, I am not too familiar how software is managed, but I think my interpretation of the situation does hold reasonable merit. I realize SoA has no role in the core programming, but with that said, this bug does seem to be simply some small mis-translation, that had unfortunately corrupted data in a few player accounts.

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[JAFO22000]

Again, these items are ALL IN THE GAME CODE ALREADY! All they have to do is unlock the items and make them available. Why it worked on the JP servers and not here is beyond me, but we both agree that it was a mistake made by SoA (again).

I wouldn't go so far as to blame it on the new employees either. You don't just throw two new people into a position unsupervised....

You're too young to be in the workforce, aren't you?

[pokefiend]

you're asking me? No I'm turning 18 relatively soon, and I've had three jobs previously.

[chu-chu-chu]

On 2008-02-22 15:01, pokefiend wrote:
you're asking me? No I'm turning 18 relatively soon, and I've had three jobs previously.

End scene.

[Alamar]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SEGA SUXS!!! They could not find a treasure even if they had map in hand.

[xXInvidiaXx]

Well, my knowledge of software development isn't highly educated, but, I'm fairly certain it would have to be a translation error.

In order to ready the items for online play they would have to change numbers(numbarz) which would be the name of the item and in doing so could mistakingly changed a digit, the items *data*, thus creating an item that doesn't exist. The server thinks your hacking, overreacts and wipes the directory from which the code was being *injected*, your inventory.

That's my educated guess http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[Alamar]

It seems we have smarter people playing the game then making it.

[pokefiend]

over-exagerating much, aren't you? >.>

[superdood22]

Alamar you are so super cool, I love the way you think. +1 cool point. You hit the nail on the head.

[bp_shoruko]

On 2008-02-22 02:31, easy wrote:
all they want you not to cheat for so you go on paying them for it FACT
They do not care about you the game just your money FACT

cheat if you like its your game your life be free

one FACT a will say they do not have the right to ban you for
glitchings they make the game and they let glitchs be their
in the game bad game developers make bad games

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... somebody translate that, please.

[JAFO22000]

On 2008-02-22 20:44, bp_shoruko wrote:

On 2008-02-22 02:31, easy wrote:
all they want you not to cheat for so you go on paying them for it FACT
They do not care about you the game just your money FACT

cheat if you like its your game your life be free

one FACT a will say they do not have the right to ban you for
glitchings they make the game and they let glitchs be their
in the game bad game developers make bad games

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... somebody translate that, please.



The worst thing is that it was edited four times.

[Alizarin]

On 2008-02-22 20:44, bp_shoruko wrote:
... somebody translate that, please.


"Fact: They don't want you to cheat so you can keep paying them.
Fact: They don't care about you, they care about your money.
Cheat if you like. It's your game, your free life.

One fact is that they don't have the right to ban you for glitches. They made the game and thus made the glitches. Bad game developers make bad games."

... you owe me. Migraine imminent.

[bp_shoruko]

Ok, now it actually makes sense. I don't entirely agree with his p.o.v., thats what a t.o.s is for, but...
here, have a smoothie for being so kind as to help me.

[Reipard]

The process is likely more difficult than JAFO imagines. The process is likely easier than PokeFiend imagines.

Fuck ups happen. I can understand a fuck up or two. Considering they went a year with only two major fuck ups (Admittedly both of them were due to sore neglect), it seems all cool. But since Ambition of Illuminus, it's been screwup after screwup. The US release was botched to hell, with all three versions of AOI being unique in their own little ways where missing things and/or bugs are concerned.

Then things are okay for a while, but after a chain of updates with mistakes that only neglect can cause, you have to really wonder what the hell is going on. Something does need to change up there, because customers will only go along with it for so long.

[SJW89]

Let's all LOL at the PC players now that they're screwed, because they go crazy whenever the least important thing happens to us 360 players!

[Psycho_Sonic]

On 2008-02-22 18:03, Alamar wrote:
It seems we have smarter people playing the game then making it.



Q. F. T.

[TheStoicOne]

On 2008-02-22 20:58, JAFO22000 wrote:

On 2008-02-22 20:44, bp_shoruko wrote:

On 2008-02-22 02:31, easy wrote:
all they want you not to cheat for so you go on paying them for it FACT
They do not care about you the game just your money FACT

cheat if you like its your game your life be free

one FACT a will say they do not have the right to ban you for
glitchings they make the game and they let glitchs be their
in the game bad game developers make bad games

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... somebody translate that, please.



The worst thing is that it was edited four times.

:lol:
http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

[Silver_Wyrm]

On 2008-02-22 02:31, easy wrote:
all they want you not to cheat for so you go on paying them for it FACT
Its also an insult to the people who worked so long and hard to create a game, only to have it broken up and broken and abused by people who wont play it as intended. Yes though, they want us to keep playing.


They do not care about you the game just your money FACT
cheat if you like its your game your life be free

That depends on the person, from a business perspective, yes our money is most important, but they need to meet other needs to keep people happy. Putting people who DO care in place of those jobs helps.

and wtf is this freedom stuff? its an online game that is someone elses property. Th egame disc is yours, and your offline data is yours, but the online data is NOT.


one FACT a will say they do not have the right to ban you for
glitchings they make the game and they let glitchs be their
in the game bad game developers make bad games

WRONG!
let me show you a secret.[spoiler-box]
http://phantasystaruniverse.com/support_tos.php
heres a short snippet for you.
SEGA may, in its sole discretion, terminate this Subscriber Agreement and/or terminate or suspend your access to the online features of the Program: (i) without prior notice to you, if you fail to comply with any provision of this Subscriber Agreement; or (ii) at any time and for any reason or no reason, upon notice to you pursuant to Section 14 below. No refunds will be made for any suspension or termination of service by SEGA.[/spoiler-box]
they don't even need ANY reason to terminate your account that is the FACT, if you don't agree don't play. this game and all of its *online* contents are SEGA's property, and they can do what they like with it (that includes your characters). You agree to a certain terms of service EVERY TIME YOU ENTER, accept it and shut up or leave.


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o.o

[Psycho_Sonic]

*hi fives silver*

[Powder Keg]

He will completely ignore that post and act like he never saw it.....c'mon, you know this. lol