So what are the differences between Shura-Hiken and Shura-Hi

[pionear]

Topic? Is it only the 11 pp per tick and stats<? Is there any comsetic differences...?

[Marche]

looks the exact same.

I think hikec is superior, what with the boosted PP recovery

[SATatami]

Doesn't hikec lack the special look?

[ashley50]

Its gray?

Just like other Kubara weapons?

[Kylie]

Hiken:

http://www.pso-world.com/items/psu/1/2070/shura_hiken/

Hikec:

http://www.pso-world.com/items/psu/1/2584/shura_hikec/

[ scroll down to see images of each ]

Hiken appears to be more elaborate than hikec.
^ because it's gray like other kubaras.

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[Eria]

Yea.. Hikec is superior.. probably http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif

[Mikura]

It's funny. Me and my friends did Black Nest for the first time today and first thing I got there was the Hikec. Looking at the stats though, it doesn't look like I got much besides crap.

[Weeaboolits]

Shura-hikec looks cool, I want one now.



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[SStrikerR]

shura-hikec is kubara. Allegedly.

[Weeaboolits]

It's also black, which makes it look cool, and it have more PP which is good.

[mvffin]

kubara version has more pp and faster regen, and slicers atp doesn't really mean much. so...

[Turambar]

I'm gonna have to beg to differ with the majority of the posts. If the atp difference doesn't really matter, the PP difference matters even less. With PP gained from every regular attack (which people do use since they'll JA if they know whats good for them) as well as a little thing called a photon charge, trying to trump that as a reason for the hikec to be better is just plain silly.

[Weeaboolits]

I don't really care about atp, if I did I wouldn't be a newman acrofighter. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[Shishi-O]

kubara gets a ten % ATP bonus.

They usually come out 30%+

And an 11pp regen is awesome, especially if combined with a skill pp save, and a tero pp generate. Even with the gimp coming and reduction in pp cost means endless spamming of chikki. At a pp cost that u really have to try to empty your wep.

[Retehi]

On 2008-03-01 01:16, Shishi-O wrote:
kubara gets a ten % ATP bonus.



le sigh

[Weeaboolits]

I thought they just removed the 10% penalty?

[Syl]

On 2008-03-01 01:20, Ronin_Cooper wrote:
I thought they just removed the 10% penalty?



That's basically it. I also call BS on that "usually over 30%" theory. Just because you synthed two-three kubaras over 30% doesn't exactly make it a sound observation.

Hell, when I synthed my Stormlines, all 6 of them came out over 32%. Doesn't mean anything.

[Freshellent]

Slightly related,this is what it produces when you fail:
[spoiler-box]http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj101/Einhart6/psu20080301_022558_019.jpg[/spoiler-box]

[SStrikerR]

On 2008-03-01 01:16, Shishi-O wrote:
kubara gets a ten % ATP bonus.

They usually come out 30%+

And an 11pp regen is awesome, especially if combined with a skill pp save, and a tero pp generate. Even with the gimp coming and reduction in pp cost means endless spamming of chikki. At a pp cost that u really have to try to empty your wep.

chikkichikkichikkichikkichikkichikkichikkichikki
*gasps* WTF!!! my weapon only lost 10 pp and I just finished the dam mission!

[Shiro_Ryuu]

On 2008-03-01 02:01, SylviaEspada wrote:

On 2008-03-01 01:20, Ronin_Cooper wrote:
I thought they just removed the 10% penalty?



That's basically it. I also call BS on that "usually over 30%" theory. Just because you synthed two-three kubaras over 30% doesn't exactly make it a sound observation.

Hell, when I synthed my Stormlines, all 6 of them came out over 32%. Doesn't mean anything.



We're talking about a guy who believes that whether or not a class is awesome or sucks depends completely on one single PA. IMO, unless he redeems himself, pretty much anything he says will be bs for me.

[pionear]

On 2008-03-01 02:44, Icespike wrote:
Slightly related,this is what it produces when you fail:
[spoiler-box]http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj101/Einhart6/psu20080301_022558_019.jpg[/spoiler-box]



Damn, sry to see that...I just got a [B] on my first run...And I'm waiting to synth it...I really need these 10* Slicers, and I hope it comes out successful...

[Shishi-O]

On 2008-03-01 01:17, Retehi wrote:

On 2008-03-01 01:16, Shishi-O wrote:
kubara gets a ten % ATP bonus.



le sigh

we don't speak le sigh, explain yourself.

[Shishi-O]

On 2008-03-01 02:01, SylviaEspada wrote:

On 2008-03-01 01:20, Ronin_Cooper wrote:
I thought they just removed the 10% penalty?



That's basically it. I also call BS on that "usually over 30%" theory. Just because you synthed two-three kubaras over 30% doesn't exactly make it a sound observation.

Hell, when I synthed my Stormlines, all 6 of them came out over 32%. Doesn't mean anything.

that is probably why "i" said usually and not it's a fact.

note the difference?

[Shishi-O]

On 2008-03-01 09:50, Shiroryuu wrote:

On 2008-03-01 02:01, SylviaEspada wrote:

On 2008-03-01 01:20, Ronin_Cooper wrote:
I thought they just removed the 10% penalty?



That's basically it. I also call BS on that "usually over 30%" theory. Just because you synthed two-three kubaras over 30% doesn't exactly make it a sound observation.

Hell, when I synthed my Stormlines, all 6 of them came out over 32%. Doesn't mean anything.



We're talking about a guy who believes that whether or not a class is awesome or sucks depends completely on one single PA. IMO, unless he redeems himself, pretty much anything he says will be bs for me.

really?

so i suppose u were there when i played every class and every pa with all of my chars, for 16 hrs a day since 2 weeks after launch till a month ago?

how 'bout u talk about what u know, and keep me out of ur mouth.

and i pretend u don't exist.

and i believe what ur talking about is the chikki gimp thread? yeah?

Af moves faster sure but it is overated, chikki made it worth playing, it got gimped now i get better results from other classes.

truth is i don't play as much and well whatever, i just lost interest.

chikki Af was interesting, i maxed all char meseta and am bored.

i have all weps i want and am basically waiting for the 12 stars, thats about it.

this thread is interesting that is why i am on it.

i also realize u had absolutely nothing constructive to add, u posted only to degrade me....i don't know u and i don't want to know people like u

stop speaking about things u are clueless about.



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[Weeaboolits]

I thought this thread was about Shura-hikecs, their non-kubara cousins and how they compare.

[Shishi-O]

On 2008-03-01 18:59, Ronin_Cooper wrote:
I thought this thread was about Shura-hikecs, their non-kubara cousins and how they compare.

from what i found against it's counterpart the kubara wins out.

i use a cati power on my Af, but using the hikec i use the giga skill pp save, and also a tero pp generate.

it is an awesome combination.

whenever "i" have made a kubara wep it either fails or comes out over 30%

the hikec is for my purposes superior to it's counterpart and gives the sanzu hiken a run for it's money for the # of times i can spam chikki, especially soloing.

i would only need a 30%+ shura hikec and the aforementioned set up i spoke of.

the only drawback i find is that, it is a bit late in the cycle to be releasing this. i would preferre to have the sanzu hikecs already.

like i said previously, i am waiting for the 12*, ashura-hikec to be exact, i will probably leave my account active just for that.


also they are more expensive than the sanzu hikens at the moment





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[Zael]

On 2008-03-01 00:49, Turambar wrote:
I'm gonna have to beg to differ with the majority of the posts. If the atp difference doesn't really matter, the PP difference matters even less. With PP gained from every regular attack (which people do use since they'll JA if they know whats good for them) as well as a little thing called a photon charge, trying to trump that as a reason for the hikec to be better is just plain silly.


No. The ATP difference won't even change how many Chikkis it takes to kill the enemy. 4000 x2 is still gunna kill the enemy as fast as 4100 x2.

The PP difference on the other hand makes it so you can fire more Chikkis per PC.



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[Weeaboolits]

So far I'm rather liking hikec, the faster pp regen is nice for when you're running to the next set of enemies or with bosses like ohnma (I prefer to use my slicer on him so I can see my surroundings better and stay mobile, I don't get caught in those trap things as often this way), not to mention higher PP = more choutou fun.

Mostly I like the black, though I did like the yohmei's blue.

[Dragwind]

On 2008-03-02 00:12, Zael wrote:

On 2008-03-01 00:49, Turambar wrote:
I'm gonna have to beg to differ with the majority of the posts. If the atp difference doesn't really matter, the PP difference matters even less. With PP gained from every regular attack (which people do use since they'll JA if they know whats good for them) as well as a little thing called a photon charge, trying to trump that as a reason for the hikec to be better is just plain silly.


No. The ATP difference won't even change how many Chikkis it takes to kill the enemy. 4000 x2 is still gunna kill the enemy as fast as 4100 x2.

The PP difference on the other hand makes it so you can fire more Chikkis per PC.



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Theres your answer right there, qft.

[Xaeris]

I find the PP battery irrelevant. When no mission in the game can consume five charges, nevermind deplete the entire store (save AMF Subway), I just have to consider it an irrelevant detail. On the other hand, with the slicer's poster PA poised to cease being overkill, the ATP difference may be a threshold breaker when put into Choutou.

Ultimately? I'm using whichever comes out of the PM with the higher elem %. ...Maybe give a 5% handicap to the hiken to get the star effect. There, easy.

[Sol-Edge]

Does the Shura-Hikec lose the ninja star animation when swung?

[Xaeris]

Actually, I hadn't used my hikec myself yet, so I assumed it had its special effect removed like what happens with bullets, but no, I tried it out and it seems to actually keep the star effect.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a222/XLauncher/psu20080302_151824_005.jpg
Edit: Better pic.


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