So is this boss a reskin? [Archive]

Virvius

Mar 19, 2008, 12:14 AM

Sorry about the spoiler issue.

And I answered my own question with a little research.

[spoiler-box]Dark Falz who is the boss of the currently unreleased mission, Seal of the Dark God, is a reskin of De Rol Le.

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h226/pikachief/psu20071218_061306_011.jpg

Here is a clip of the battle, >click< (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BeoRxciHa4&eurl=http://gurhal-spain.mforos.com/1148747/7100202-mas-noticias-sobre-maximum-attack-g/)

Original Article: http://gurhal-spain.mforos.com/1148747/7100202-mas-noticias-sobre-maximum-attack-g/[/spoiler-box]

ashley50

Mar 19, 2008, 03:07 AM

hohum...no surprise there

been there, seen that.

Chaos320

Mar 19, 2008, 09:49 AM

if that is really the reskin and the mission well then http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gifPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP on that

pikachief

Mar 19, 2008, 09:54 AM

http://www.pso-world.com/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic=163788&forum=20&start=225

panzer_unit

Mar 19, 2008, 10:24 AM

There are good reskins and bad reskins... Motherbrain, Alterazoug, and Magas Maggana have significant differences from the originals, while Zoalgoug and Drilla Griena are just element-swaps.

Hopefully this one kicks it up a notch for moves, though the video doesn't give a whole lot of hope.

Nuclearranger

Mar 19, 2008, 01:00 PM

He does have more forms but they are reskins of Dulk Fakis.... We dont know about his 3rd one though IF there is one.

Randomness

Mar 19, 2008, 01:08 PM

On 2008-03-19 08:24, panzer_unit wrote:
There are good reskins and bad reskins... Motherbrain, Alterazoug, and Magas Maggana have significant differences from the originals, while Zoalgoug and Drilla Griena are just element-swaps.

Hopefully this one kicks it up a notch for moves, though the video doesn't give a whole lot of hope.

And to be fair, the first two Ep. II bosses were also basically reskins... but Gal and Olga were unique... SEGA just needs more attack variety with the reskins to make em fun.

Xefi

Mar 19, 2008, 02:57 PM

i dont mind the reskined as long they add an awesome enviroment to back it up. *pray that they add a heavy-thunder-storm area or something of that liking*

[ This Message was edited by: RubySion on 2008-03-19 12:59 ]

pikachief

Mar 19, 2008, 03:19 PM

On 2008-03-19 12:57, RubySion wrote:
i dont mind the reskined as long they add an awesome enviroment to back it up. *pray that they add a heavy-thunder-storm area or something of that liking*

[ This Message was edited by: RubySion on 2008-03-19 12:59 ]

no i fought The Dark Falz, hes exactly the same as de rol le but hes dark and has a different looking face.

Same attacks but i think this time he uses some magic attacks lol

the area also looks the same

Xefi

Mar 19, 2008, 03:28 PM

On 2008-03-19 13:19, pikachief wrote:

no i fought The Dark Falz, hes exactly the same as de rol le but hes dark and has a different looking face.

Same attacks but i think this time he uses some magic attacks lol

the area also looks the same

yeah i know those details. Oops, i think i forgot to put in them adding in heavy-thunder-rain area for future updates rather. >_>;

Dragwind

Mar 19, 2008, 03:34 PM

I'm guessing many of the mechanics and movements should be adjusted, so this might not be as great as the original Falz, but should still be pretty fun.

Akaimizu

Mar 19, 2008, 03:40 PM

Nothing to bag about the game, but someone should really do up a quick comic showing a defeated boss, (after the players leave the room) reappearing and running off to another location to put on a new Boss costume, but gets caught before they finish putting it on. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

The image in my head is too funny, but I just can't draw that good to do it justice.

Xefi

Mar 19, 2008, 03:47 PM

On 2008-03-19 13:40, Akaimizu wrote:
Nothing to bag about the game, but someone should really do up a quick comic showing a defeated boss, (after the players leave the room) reappearing and running off to another location to put on a new Boss costume, but gets caught before they finish putting it on. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

The image in my head is too funny, but I just can't draw that good to do it justice.

you mean like that Dragon gliched in PSO? You sir, have a wild imagination. lol. But, would that be too comedic? :3

RemiusTA

Mar 19, 2008, 04:10 PM

Regardless of it being a reskin, that is one AWESOME job they did.

Kion

Mar 19, 2008, 04:22 PM

i was expecting a fakis reskin.

[spoiler-box]
http://psupedia.info/images/b/b4/Dulk_Fakis_Form_2.jpg
<=>
http://membres.lycos.fr/psoweb/Screens%20ennemis/Dark%20Falz%203.jpg

they already look similar. de rol le makes no sense at all.
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[ This Message was edited by: Kion on 2008-03-19 14:31 ]

Noblewine

Mar 19, 2008, 04:56 PM

I don't mind a reskin. I'm disappointed though I was hoping for more originality. =(

Zorafim

Mar 19, 2008, 05:58 PM

On 2008-03-19 11:08, Randomness wrote:
And to be fair, the first two Ep. II bosses were also basically reskins... but Gal and Olga were unique... SEGA just needs more attack variety with the reskins to make em fun.

Hm, I wish our bosses were as different from each other as that. Even among these reskins, there were some very notable differences.

BSL4VIRUS

Mar 19, 2008, 07:59 PM

i just watched the video, another re-skin, com on sega how dissapointing this is come up with some more unique bosses

NPCMook

Mar 19, 2008, 08:11 PM

This truly disappoints me to the greatest extent... In fact I can't even really put into words what I want to say

Randomness

Mar 19, 2008, 08:14 PM

On 2008-03-19 15:58, Zorafim wrote:

On 2008-03-19 11:08, Randomness wrote:
And to be fair, the first two Ep. II bosses were also basically reskins... but Gal and Olga were unique... SEGA just needs more attack variety with the reskins to make em fun.

Hm, I wish our bosses were as different from each other as that. Even among these reskins, there were some very notable differences.

True. Barba Ray and Gol Dragon were basically the same in overall appearance, animation, but had completely new (And much nastier, imo) attacks.

ngagerebel

Mar 19, 2008, 08:23 PM

reskins are not bad, but they really need to just create new types of bosses instead of re skinning them.

easy

Mar 19, 2008, 09:54 PM

ALL THE MONEY WE PAY FOR THE GAME AND TO PAY TO PLAY
AND SEGA CHEAT US WITH CHEAP BOSS RESKINS

VanHalen

Mar 19, 2008, 11:18 PM

On 2008-03-19 19:54, easy wrote:
ALL THE MONEY WE PAY FOR THE GAME AND TO PAY TO PLAY
AND SEGA CHEAT US WITH CHEAP BOSS RESKINS

You are one angry man. *Hands a cup of hot chocolate*

On 2008-03-19 13:40, Akaimizu wrote:
Nothing to bag about the game, but someone should really do up a quick comic showing a defeated boss, (after the players leave the room) reappearing and running off to another location to put on a new Boss costume, but gets caught before they finish putting it on. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

The image in my head is too funny, but I just can't draw that good to do it justice.

Would a horrible stick figure drawing in MS Paint do? If so I can probably try it http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[ This Message was edited by: VanHalen on 2008-03-19 21:20 ]

Rainu

Mar 19, 2008, 11:23 PM

Didn't someone hack AoI a long while ago, revealing that Falz's second form was in fact a Fakis reskin?

[ This Message was edited by: Rainu on 2008-03-19 21:24 ]

pikachief

Mar 19, 2008, 11:29 PM

On 2008-03-19 14:22, Kion wrote:
i was expecting a fakis reskin.

[spoiler-box]
http://psupedia.info/images/b/b4/Dulk_Fakis_Form_2.jpg
<=>
http://membres.lycos.fr/psoweb/Screens%20ennemis/Dark%20Falz%203.jpg

they already look similar. de rol le makes no sense at all.
[/spoiler-box]

[ This Message was edited by: Kion on 2008-03-19 14:31 ]

the second form is a dulk fakis reskin, although he looks almsot exactly the same except for his tail and his swords -_-

Weeaboolits

Mar 19, 2008, 11:55 PM

I'm more disappointed that he looks like a dark SEED rather than a D-cell, the orangey markings really aren't nearly as cool as the animated glowing markings on the D-cells.

Dark Emerald EXE

Mar 20, 2008, 04:25 AM

Hmmmm well Dark Falz looks very sad compared to how he did in PSO
im not sure but.....is there a mission on the JP server where olga flow shows his appearance in PSU??????
I havent heard anything about it....

i HOPE they dont reskin olga flow "if they decide to bring him to PSU" you can even compare dulk falkis to olga flow.....lol on the fact that he looked better XD

hopefully they make it similiar to how he was in pso....or if not....something orignal

ENOUGH with the reskins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol
http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

RemiusTA

Mar 20, 2008, 06:15 AM

darkante

Mar 20, 2008, 06:23 AM

On 2008-03-20 04:15, RemiusTA wrote:
RESKIN RESKIN RESKIN DISSAPOINTED SEGA BAW BAW BAW BAW BAWWWWWWWWWWW

Stfu already. Dark Falz has no true form anyway, they never had to model him after his ugly PSO forms. Why cant you people take what your given, be happy you got it and shut the fuck up.

You fools SERIOUSLY thought they were going to re-program an entirely new boss JUST for the sake of a temporary event? Get the hell out of here.

More like they expect that the final foe of the game would give a interesting new fight then a rehash like everything else in the game is.

That is not alot to ask IMO.
I do complain too and i think ST is just plain lazy.

You make it sound like you don´t care if you get rip-offed buying a thing. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif lol

Reipard

Mar 20, 2008, 08:58 AM

RESKIN RESKIN RESKIN DISSAPOINTED SEGA BAW BAW BAW BAW BAWWWWWWWWWWW

Stfu already. Dark Falz has no true form anyway, they never had to model him after his ugly PSO forms. Why cant you people take what your given, be happy you got it and shut the fuck up.

You fools SERIOUSLY thought they were going to re-program an entirely new boss JUST for the sake of a temporary event? Get the hell out of here.

Here comes the firestarter!

Guess what? People have a right to be disappointed by blatant laziness, especially when they're paying for it. And lol, temporary just for the event? XD He stuck around after MAG, dude. He wasn't just for the event, yo.

Kamica

Mar 20, 2008, 01:06 PM

On 2008-03-19 11:08, Randomness wrote:

On 2008-03-19 08:24, panzer_unit wrote:
There are good reskins and bad reskins... Motherbrain, Alterazoug, and Magas Maggana have significant differences from the originals, while Zoalgoug and Drilla Griena are just element-swaps.

Hopefully this one kicks it up a notch for moves, though the video doesn't give a whole lot of hope.

And to be fair, the first two Ep. II bosses were also basically reskins... but Gal and Olga were unique... SEGA just needs more attack variety with the reskins to make em fun.

Name two moves/movements that are the same between dragon and gol dragon...GO! They are both dragons yes, but in no way are they reskins of each other. Barba Ray is a reskin of De Rol Le and the PSU bosses are reskins of each other, but gol dragon is not a reskin.

Nirvash7

Mar 20, 2008, 03:24 PM

Fakis's 2nd form is basically Falz's last form. I like beating the crap out of the worm so I might like this.

Feelmirath

Mar 20, 2008, 03:33 PM

On 2008-03-20 11:06, Kamica wrote:
Name two moves/movements that are the same between dragon and gol dragon...GO!
Breathes elemental shiet, and goes into the sky, flips about a lot scattering elemental shiet... and they both come in and die the same way.

I will be honest, the 2 bosses do differ in a hell of a lot of other ways, but you did say http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

Kamica

Mar 20, 2008, 03:52 PM

On 2008-03-20 13:33, Feelmirath wrote:

On 2008-03-20 11:06, Kamica wrote:
Name two moves/movements that are the same between dragon and gol dragon...GO!
Breathes elemental shiet, and goes into the sky, flips about a lot scattering elemental shiet... and they both come in and die the same way.

I will be honest, the 2 bosses do differ in a hell of a lot of other ways, but you did say http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

1. Breathing elements counts as one
2. Dragon spits 3 fireballs or digs underground to circle the arena. The fireballs were so easy to dodge that they hardly made a difference at all. Gol dragon stamps the ground, throws a barrage of difficult-to-dodge elements, or splits into 2 or 3. This does not count.
3. The opening/dieing sequences may be the same, but the actual fight is not. This does not count.

The only thing about the dragon vs. gol dragon debate that could possibly be argued is the barrage vs. the fireballs. Even if you insist on calling this a reskinned move, I still wouldn't classify gol dragon as a reskin.

[ This Message was edited by: Kamica on 2008-03-20 13:53 ]

SStrikerR

Mar 20, 2008, 07:53 PM

I will say this again, falz reskin from de rol le? BULLSHIT

SStrikerR

Mar 20, 2008, 08:45 PM

On 2008-03-20 17:56, -Tidus_415- wrote:

On 2008-03-20 04:15, RemiusTA wrote:
Stfu already. Dark Falz has no true form anyway, they never had to model him after his ugly PSO forms. Why cant you people take what your given, be happy you got it and shut the fuck up.

i dont wanna pay for shitty reskins, so i dont anymore.

Weeaboolits

Mar 20, 2008, 10:22 PM

Sure he has no rtrue form, but even so, if he's part of a big event and we have to EARN him by getting a high enough score, I expect something damn good and new.

Though if he had to be a reskin or two, at least they chose the two best bosses in the game.

It's kind of annoying that they reskinned a remake of a PSO boss to be used as a different PSO boss though.

Kent

Mar 22, 2008, 02:28 AM

"Hey guys, let's design this boss for our game. He's the ultimate evil, and has no true form!"

"Perfect! That means we can cut down on development time, by just applying a new model and texture to an already existing boss, change some stats, and call it a new boss! It makes sense, because he has no true form... So therefore, he doesn't really have to be different from anyone!"

Is that about right? From the sounds of things, it looks to be so, but I don't know for sure... But I can say, that I wouldn't put it past Sonic Team, currently.

It's one thing to copy a boss' type into a new thing - De Rol Le and Barba Ray were similar, segmented, waterborne creatures that you fight on a raft while traveling down a channel of some sort. However, their attacks and patterns thereof were different enough that only a few of the key principals of the fights carried over (and some classes, such as Forces, ended up having to approach the fight in a very different manner). And while there are very few between the Dragon and Gol Dragon, the big change comes from the fact that you end up fighting multiple dragons at once, of potentially different elements, which also ends up changing a lot of the strategy behind the fight.

Now, from the way things are sounding, a lot of PSU bosses are apparently just repeats of almost-identical experiences, kinda like how a good portion of the enemies are. It's probably more of a lack of resources, or strict producer demands, than it is a lack of creativity, though. After all, they're in the business to farm money from people, and what better way than to spend as little revenue as possible?

Weeaboolits

Mar 22, 2008, 03:00 PM

Gol Dragon and Barba Ray also had the excuse of being simulated evolutions of their ep1 cousins, a small bit of a cop out? Perhaps, but at least they're honest.

SStrikerR

Mar 22, 2008, 03:27 PM

I dont know how it woulda tunred out, but i always wonder how pso would've gone if it was given more bosses....

Kylie

Mar 22, 2008, 11:47 PM

On 2008-03-19 08:24, panzer_unit wrote:
There are good reskins and bad reskins... Motherbrain, Alterazoug, and Magas Maggana have significant differences from the originals, while Zoalgoug and Drilla Griena are just element-swaps.

Hopefully this one kicks it up a notch for moves, though the video doesn't give a whole lot of hope.

That's how I feel. I suppose I'd be a little more angry about this if I played PSO though because I know stealing the name of something well-known in the same series but changing everything else is murder to fans.