Twin Daggers Frag PA

[ogrizzle]

What would you recommend is the better Ultimate PA for the twin Daggers?

Renga Chujin-shou
or
Hishou Jinren-zan

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[Chuck_Norris]

Depends really. Hishou is good for pure damage, but it leaves you wide open. Renga is more spaced out in it's damage, is a little weaker, but it tends to dodge enemy attacks well.

[gryphonvii]

renfa for show, hishou for show and damage,in my personal opinion.

[beatrixkiddo]

Use Moubu and save the frags!

[ogrizzle]

On 2008-03-19 22:05, beatrixkiddo wrote:
Use Moubu and save the frags!



What else is there to do with my PA Frags?

[beatrixkiddo]

Good question.

[ilovetypemoon]

Don't ignore Renkai. It's more functional than Moubu.

[ilovetypemoon]

On 2008-03-19 22:07, ogrizzle wrote:

On 2008-03-19 22:05, beatrixkiddo wrote:
Use Moubu and save the frags!



What else is there to do with my PA Frags?



It's up to you, but I suggest you wait until 4/11. Leveling Renga to 21 will drive you mad. You will miss half the time cause of the crappy target area.

[beatrixkiddo]

On 2008-03-19 22:08, ilovetypemoon wrote:
Don't ignore Renkai. It's more functional than Moubu.



And slower, if you choose to JA!

[ogrizzle]

It's up to you, but I suggest you wait until 4/11. Leveling Renga to 21 will drive you mad. You will miss half the time cause of the crappy target area.



is this when they are moving the GBR to Parum?

[Chuck_Norris]

On 2008-03-19 22:09, ilovetypemoon wrote:

On 2008-03-19 22:07, ogrizzle wrote:

On 2008-03-19 22:05, beatrixkiddo wrote:
Use Moubu and save the frags!



What else is there to do with my PA Frags?



It's up to you, but I suggest you wait until 4/11. Leveling Renga to 21 will drive you mad. You will miss half the time cause of the crappy target area.



It's not THAT bad. You just gotta TRY to level it. It just seems harder to level it since the enemies die so fast now. Also, just use the first hit, even after it hits 11. Will save you a lot of PP.

[Freshellent]

Renga is really great for bosses actually.

[Midicronica]

I can't stand using Renga outside of an AF. Same thing goes with Chuei. :

[Zorafim]

On 2008-03-20 01:39, Icespike wrote:
Renga is really great for bosses actually.



As functional as I'm sure this is, something seems wrong using twin daggers on bosses. I guess when everyone has wtfhax ATP, it doesn't matter how much damage you're doing per hit against a high def enemy anymore. But, wasn't there a time when twin daggers did something like 20 damage a hit at lv100 against dragons?

[Dragwind]

They both have VERY different uses. I would not use one in place of the other in a given situation.

[Sasamichan]

On 2008-03-19 22:10, ogrizzle wrote:


It's up to you, but I suggest you wait until 4/11. Leveling Renga to 21 will drive you mad. You will miss half the time cause of the crappy target area.



is this when they are moving the GBR to Parum?



Probably not since the next GBR hasn't been announced yet.

[xDemi]

i <3 both =3

[Jakosifer]

Renga is only good for bosses (2 hits, 4 targets on the last part for some surprisingly high damage, least for twin daggers) and MAYBE multi-target large mobs like Drua Gohra. Possibly decent for magic using enemies for the whole dodgy dashy jumpy factor but the aim is so crazy you'll probly end up switching to something stronger and more controllable.

Hishou is generally more useful though, excellent stunlocking abilities on large enemies, good for medium mob crowd control, CAN be good on bosses at a high level with higher % daggers (The last parts atp mod is very high for the amount of hits it dishes out)

So I say get Hishou first, then get Renga.

[stukasa]

My problem with Hishou is that the first hit knocks most enemies up and away, usually out of reach of the second hit. Unless you've got an enemy trapped against a wall, how are you supposed to hit them with the full combo? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_confused.gif

[Hrith]

Use it against enemies immune to juggle? >_>

Some monsters do not get thrown out of range ny juggle hits, find which.

[stukasa]

On 2008-03-20 09:04, Hrith wrote:
Use it against enemies immune to juggle? >_>

Some monsters do not get thrown out of range ny juggle hits, find which.


Yeah, that's pretty much what I'm forced to do. I just wish it wasn't so situational, it makes it hard to level sometimes. :/

[Snoochies]

On 2008-03-20 08:27, stukasa wrote:
My problem with Hishou is that the first hit knocks most enemies up and away, usually out of reach of the second hit. Unless you've got an enemy trapped against a wall, how are you supposed to hit them with the full combo? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_confused.gif



Acrofighters have such fast attack that they have less of a problem getting the full combo. It's really a better acrofighter PA than a FF PA

[Arika]

acutally Renga has highest dps among all, if you manage to hit every hit (which is hard <_< )
especially last part is so easily to get cancel but see.. 380% x 8!!!



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[XenithFlare]

...I'm not finding it hard to control Renga whatsoever... and missing is rarely an issue...

<_<

>_>;

[Arika]

On 2008-03-21 05:36, XenithFlare wrote:
...I'm not finding it hard to control Renga whatsoever... and missing is rarely an issue...

<_<

>_>;



>> it is only easy when using to large monster (if they dont do anything to knock you back, which is alway the most common problem to make this PA suck)

when using it to 4x medium size monster, it is hard to find a chance for it to hit all 3x3 target at first part and + the 4x2 target at last.


http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/4599/psu20080322015945073xp1.jpg


anyway it is such a powerful tool for twin dagger that be able to hit 4000x8 on only for final combo ,so It is the most heavy daamge when it full hit, and it also excusiveness on doing air combo too(cool lol ) Thus, I like it! ... but not much chance to use :/



compare to Hishou, this one is nothing different to
other PA much, It only doing muti-knock up, which many weapon can do the same, so I dont think there will be any situation that I will need this PA.

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[desturel]

On 2008-03-19 21:53, ogrizzle wrote:
What would you recommend is the better Ultimate PA for the twin Daggers?

Renga Chujin-shou
or
Hishou Jinren-zan


I use Renga for multi-point creatures like Drua Gohra, Kamatoze, Kagajibari, Grinna Bete C, SEED-Ardite, and Ubakrada.

I use Hishou on single point or double point creatures that don't knock over as easily like Kog Nadd, Polavohra, Carriguine, SEED-Vitace, and SEED-Argine.

However I mainly use them as an Acrotecher since I have other options when I'm other classes.

I did level Hishou to 30 and Renga is currently 21, but not gaining any exp because I'm still acrotecher. I'd also use it as acrofighter, but I don't have one at the moment.

Overall I think they are both good for different situations.