SE6

[dogg1000]

Do rifles get Se6 at 41? or am i dreaming? XD

[WHlTEKNIGHT]

5

[dc534]

dreaming

[JAFO22000]

stupid.....I MEAN dreaming.

[Randomness]

I don't believe we even get level 5 on any weapons currently...

[dogg1000]

Didnt think so =P

[Retehi]

The hell would SE6 do? Apply SE to boxes?

[JAFO22000]

Apply SE's to bosses!!!

[Phantom44357]

We do in fact get SE5 after leveling rifles to 41+. Just check in one of the master class threads. There's a video of a gunmaster with a level 40 something ground bullet with SE5. Of course we here in the US don't have it yet, but it does exist.

[dogg1000]

i Though we were gettin 31+ bullets with SE5 on april 25th

[RadiantLegend]

who is spitting these lies at you?

[pikachief]

On 2008-04-02 17:11, Ragolismine wrote:
who is spitting these lies at you?



$10 says hes on 360. lol

[BFGfreak]

On 2008-04-02 17:11, Ragolismine wrote:
who is spitting these lies at you?

I AM!!!!! Muah hahahaha!

[steely]

didnt bows get Se 5 on lvl31+ i could be wrong though?



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[dogg1000]

not on xbox who you giving $10 to >.> i learned it here actually x.x

[amtalx]

Rifles get SE5 at 41+. Bows stay SE4 at 31+, and there is no 41+ because no Master class can use them.

[dc534]

kind of sux they are destroying the bow. i will continue to use it though because it looks cooler than the rifle.

[dogg1000]

no bows have been dtronger for rifles for a long time jsut a lil slower

[amtalx]

On 2008-04-02 21:32, dogg1000 wrote:
no bows have been dtronger for rifles for a long time jsut a lil slower



Bows have never been stronger than Rifles. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif Bows do more damage per hit, but Rifles fire so much faster that they end up doing more damage in the end.

[desturel]

On 2008-04-02 21:31, dc534 wrote:
kind of sux they are destroying the bow.

I still wonder why they bothered giving S rank bows to guntecher if they were going to beef the rifle so much that it outclasses the bow in everyway.

Plus the added bonus of Masei-sou still sucking hard... I can't wait for April 25th so I can finally level that sucker to 21.

[daniel_drago]

In all honesty I don't think bow is meant to be compareable to Rifle as it's a force weapon you know one of them weapons to fall back on just incase, kind of situational, not really meant as a main weapon

look at protranser they get a Bow as there only FPS long single target dodad...yeah got bored with scentance lol
FT same, GT has choice, WT i believe they dont get much choice for long range so having a bow around is helpful

Bow also hits the same damage even agaisnt armored targets rifles don't so theres one bonus which is useful for FT as their damage with such weapon isn't going to be 'brilliant'

[Andy1423]

OK OK. RIFLES BULLETS at 41+ get SE5. Is everyone with me. OK.

The real question is what are the differences between SE4 and SE5?

[amtalx]

On 2008-04-03 07:28, Andy1423 wrote:
OK OK. RIFLES BULLETS at 41+ get SE5. Is everyone with me. OK.

The real question is what are the differences between SE4 and SE5?



The main difference is you will be able to apply all SE easier. The duration for Shock, Freeze, Silence, Virus, and Confuse should also increase. Burn will last the same amount of time but will deal 30% damage as opposed to 25%.

[Andy1423]

Burn 5 intervals 2s tick (1+effect level)% of max health

Virus 4 intervals +status level 4s tick 5% of max health

So with this info I found on pedia:

BURN SE4 25%hp/10sec < BURN SE5 30%hp/10sec

VIRUS SE4 40%hp/32sec < VIRUS SE5 45%hp/36sec


The duration for Shock, Freeze, Silence, Virus, and Confuse should also increase. Burn will last the same amount of time but will deal 30% damage as opposed to 25%.


Right, so BURN and VIRUS are confirmed as long as the numbers don't change. I still would like to know the specifics on SHOCK, FREEZE, SILENCE, CONFUSE....and what about ULT PA's does KILLER SHOT RECIEVE SE 5!!! Can anyone confirm this, or give us a screenshot from JP servers of a lvl 41+ KILLER SHOT?

[pikachief]

im pretty sure Killer shot should get to lvl 5, i dont see y not.

[amtalx]

If they don't give us SE5 Incapacitate...that would be pretty shitty.

Hey guys, were gonna let you level this bullet up to 50...but guess what you get for anything past 30? NOTHING. HAHAHA. Jokes on you jackass...now gimme your $10.

And yes, I know you get ATA and ATP after 30.

[Andy1423]

I really wish SEGA wasn't so mysterious about stats and things. They should take a page out of Blizzards "How to display stat info," book. pso-world would be a million times better if ST didn't have hiddenstats, (would make websites's jobs easier too http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif ) Take a look at Arrent Summit sometime SEGA.


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[XDeathX]

On 2008-04-03 08:23, amtalx wrote:
If they don't give us SE5 Incapacitate...that would be pretty shitty.

Hey guys, were gonna let you level this bullet up to 50...but guess what you get for anything past 30? NOTHING. HAHAHA. Jokes on you jackass...now gimme your $10.

And yes, I know you get ATA and ATP after 30.


Expecting more from Killer shot is a bit greedy don't you think? I would gladly accept 1 less level for a turbo button. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif

[amtalx]

On 2008-04-03 08:26, XDeathX wrote:

On 2008-04-03 08:23, amtalx wrote:
If they don't give us SE5 Incapacitate...that would be pretty shitty.

Hey guys, were gonna let you level this bullet up to 50...but guess what you get for anything past 30? NOTHING. HAHAHA. Jokes on you jackass...now gimme your $10.

And yes, I know you get ATA and ATP after 30.


Expecting more from Killer shot is a bit greedy don't you think? I would gladly accept 1 less level for a turbo button. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif



I'm going to give to another shot at that. Make some sense this time, eh?

[Golto]

Killer shot is still se lvl 4 at lvl 41+.

[daniel_drago]

On 2008-04-03 08:26, XDeathX wrote:

On 2008-04-03 08:23, amtalx wrote:
If they don't give us SE5 Incapacitate...that would be pretty shitty.

Hey guys, were gonna let you level this bullet up to 50...but guess what you get for anything past 30? NOTHING. HAHAHA. Jokes on you jackass...now gimme your $10.

And yes, I know you get ATA and ATP after 30.


Expecting more from Killer shot is a bit greedy don't you think? I would gladly accept 1 less level for a turbo button. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif


I'de rather be greedy than lazy

[amtalx]

On 2008-04-03 08:31, Golto wrote:
Killer shot is still se lvl 4 at lvl 41+.



BOOOOOOOOOOOOO

So I guess I continue to dread the day when KS hits 31. At least they took some of the butt hurt away by curbing the cost after 31. Still though...that shit probably costs 50 PP per shot with Gunmaster's PP consumption.

Fucking ST...

[XDeathX]

On 2008-04-03 08:30, amtalx wrote:

On 2008-04-03 08:26, XDeathX wrote:

On 2008-04-03 08:23, amtalx wrote:
If they don't give us SE5 Incapacitate...that would be pretty shitty.

Hey guys, were gonna let you level this bullet up to 50...but guess what you get for anything past 30? NOTHING. HAHAHA. Jokes on you jackass...now gimme your $10.

And yes, I know you get ATA and ATP after 30.


Expecting more from Killer shot is a bit greedy don't you think? I would gladly accept 1 less level for a turbo button. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif



I'm going to give to another shot at that. Make some sense this time, eh?


Youre the one that typed this text for Jabroga. I just edited certain text so it looks like its about killer shot. Perhaps it is you that needs to make more sense.

[XDeathX]

On 2008-04-03 08:36, amtalx wrote:

On 2008-04-03 08:31, Golto wrote:
Killer shot is still se lvl 4 at lvl 41+.



BOOOOOOOOOOOOO

So I guess I continue to dread the day when KS hits 31. At least they took some of the butt hurt away by curbing the cost after 31. Still though...that shit probably costs 50 PP per shot with Gunmaster's PP consumption.

Fucking ST...


Greedy, aren't we today?

[amtalx]

The reason I typed that is becuase that poster wanted even more out of Jabroga even when the the ATP mod was increasing. I think it was 10% or so to Lvl 50. 10% of the 60k I've seen people throwing around is nothing to scoff at. Then add a +30% attack speed modifier? That's why I told him to stop complaining about a PA that is borderline too powerful anyway. You got an increase, just don't bitch that its not high enough to 1-hit KO every enemy in the game.

KS is a bit of a different story. I don't think anyone can argue that gunners got the shaft at 31+. PP cost went up...way up, and what did we get? We got to carry more Rifles becuase that bullet actually became LESS effective when it turned at 31. We got the added negative of higher PP cost, but no positive to balance it. The ATP is pointless for obvious reasons, and as with most ATA increases its real world increase is about a 2% less zeroes. This doesn't appear to be changing much at 41+. Unless the PP cost from 31-50 is the same, in which case I'll eat my words. ...someone tell me its the same, I WANT to be wrong about this.



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[desturel]

On 2008-04-03 08:36, amtalx wrote:
So I guess I continue to dread the day when KS hits 31.


It's not so bad. Just buy another copy of KS once it hits 31. I have two level 31 KS and am working on my third on now. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[amtalx]

On 2008-04-03 08:53, desturel wrote:

On 2008-04-03 08:36, amtalx wrote:
So I guess I continue to dread the day when KS hits 31.


It's not so bad. Just buy another copy of KS once it hits 31. I have two level 31 KS and am working on my third on now. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif



I've been thinking about it, god knows I've got the PA frags for it,haha. I just put so much effort into getting my current one up. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif At least with the PA rebalance, getting it back to 21 won't be so painful.

[desturel]

On 2008-04-03 08:56, amtalx wrote:
I've been thinking about it, god knows I've got the PA frags for it,haha. I just put so much effort into getting my current one up. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif At least with the PA rebalance, getting it back to 21 won't be so painful.


Every once in a while I wonder "should I really be working on my third copy of killer shot when I haven't even leveled Mayalee shot past 21", but then I start running Grove or Goliath with level 31 killer shot and realize it's not worth the extra PP.



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[amtalx]

Well, I wouldn't worry about Mayalee shot anymore. Its going to be garbage after the PA rebalance. Might as well pack that one up and stick it in storage. No knockdown and no ATP boost really kill that bullet.

[Andy1423]

yeah, element rifles will pawn after update "FO SHO, I'M HITTIN THAT FO SHO"

[desturel]

I would like to get it up just to see how well Sleep level 5 works. If it works as well as the sleep re-sleep that Komazli have on White Beast then it might be worth using. If it's difficult to apply it would be pretty useless. From the bit I've used Mayalee shot, it would be very good on Jarba, Jusnagun, and Tengohg as sleep is a bit more effective than knockback on stopping them from doing anything. There are times when each of those creatures are immune from knockback.

I haven't tried it on Carriguine. Are they immune to sleep?

[amtalx]

I wouldn't be supprised is Mayalee Shot stops at SE4 either. All the cool stuff that ST is doing to the Rifles bullets only seems to apply to elemental bullets.

I think Carriguines are immune to all SE.

[XDeathX]

On 2008-04-03 08:51, amtalx wrote:
The reason I typed that is becuase that poster wanted even more out of Jabroga even when the the ATP mod was increasing. I think it was 10% or so to Lvl 50. 10% of the 60k I've seen people throwing around is nothing to scoff at. Then add a +30% attack speed modifier? That's why I told him to stop complaining about a PA that is borderline too powerful anyway. You got an increase, just don't bitch that its not high enough to 1-hit KO every enemy in the game.

KS is a bit of a different story. I don't think anyone can argue that gunners got the shaft at 31+. PP cost went up...way up, and what did we get? We got to carry more Rifles becuase that bullet actually became LESS effective when it turned at 31. We got the added negative of higher PP cost, but no positive to balance it. The ATP is pointless for obvious reasons, and as with most ATA increases its real world increase is about a 2% less zeroes. This doesn't appear to be changing much at 41+. Unless the PP cost from 31-50 is the same, in which case I'll eat my words. ...someone tell me its the same, I WANT to be wrong about this.



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10% increase seems pathetic anyway. Shouldve been 40%. Doesnt have to be 500% at LV50. But atleast some sense of accomplishment for have it at LV50. If ya think about it, 10% does seem kinda cheap for Jabroga. All that bombing all the way to LV50 and its just 10%. Seems kinda pointless.

[amtalx]

^This was exactly my point^, whining because you didn't get your LOLH4X. At least you didn't have to buy your PA again an relevel it because it got worse.

[Rayokarna]

On 2008-04-03 10:30, amtalx wrote:
I wouldn't be supprised is Mayalee Shot stops at SE4 either. All the cool stuff that ST is doing to the Rifles bullets only seems to apply to elemental bullets.

I think Carriguines are immune to all SE.



I think Burn and Freeze works.

[amtalx]

On 2008-04-03 10:50, Rayokarna wrote:

On 2008-04-03 10:30, amtalx wrote:
I wouldn't be supprised is Mayalee Shot stops at SE4 either. All the cool stuff that ST is doing to the Rifles bullets only seems to apply to elemental bullets.

I think Carriguines are immune to all SE.



I think Burn and Freeze works.



I remember going "man this guy is really a bitch" at some point so I threw every type of trap at him and nothing worked. At the time that I checked, he was 1 of only 2 enemies to be immune to all SE. That may have changed since AoI though. But I know I will NEVER complain about an enemy that is vulnerable to Burn, haha.

If you are curious PSUpedia has the vulnerabilites. http://psupedia.info/Category:Enemies

EDIT: New info! Burn and Poison works on Carriguines and Grinna Bete S is the only enemy immune to all SE (excluding debufs).



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[XDeathX]

On 2008-04-03 10:49, amtalx wrote:
^This was exactly my point^, whining because you didn't get your LOLH4X. At least you didn't have to buy your PA again an relevel it because it got worse.


Atleast you can relevel it wicked fast. And incase you were wondering, 450% isn't too much.

[Rayokarna]

On 2008-04-03 11:03, amtalx wrote:

On 2008-04-03 10:50, Rayokarna wrote:

On 2008-04-03 10:30, amtalx wrote:
I wouldn't be supprised is Mayalee Shot stops at SE4 either. All the cool stuff that ST is doing to the Rifles bullets only seems to apply to elemental bullets.

I think Carriguines are immune to all SE.



I think Burn and Freeze works.



I remember going "man this guy is really a bitch" at some point so I threw every type of trap at him and nothing worked. At the time that I checked, he was 1 of only 2 enemies to be immune to all SE. That may have changed since AoI though. But I know I will NEVER complain about an enemy that is vulnerable to Burn, haha.

If you are curious PSUpedia has the vulnerabilites. http://psupedia.info/Category:Enemies

EDIT: New info! Burn and Poison works on Carriguines and Grinna Bete S is the only enemy immune to all SE (excluding debufs).



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Grinna Bete S are weak to Virus

[amtalx]

Grinna Bete C are weak to Virus. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif The S variety care not for my Virus.



On 2008-04-03 11:30, XDeathX wrote:

On 2008-04-03 10:49, amtalx wrote:
^This was exactly my point^, whining because you didn't get your LOLH4X. At least you didn't have to buy your PA again an relevel it because it got worse.


Atleast you can relevel it wicked fast. And incase you were wondering, 450% isn't too much.



Yes...because RIFLES HAVE BEEN KNOWN TO LEVEL FAST. What game are you playing? So you want a 40% ATP boost and a +30% speed boost... You should probably just hop on PSO, grab a hacked J-Sword and call it a day. You get a 10% boost plus +30% speed. Add those two numbers together, get 40%, and be happy.



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[Rayokarna]

On 2008-04-03 11:42, amtalx wrote:
Grinna Bete C are weak to Virus. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif The S variety care not for my Virus.



Stun?

[desturel]

On 2008-04-03 11:44, Rayokarna wrote:

On 2008-04-03 11:42, amtalx wrote:
Grinna Bete C are weak to Virus. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif The S variety care not for my Virus.



Stun?



I've never been able to stun a Grinna Bete S.

BTW, I got Sleep level 5 for Mayalee shot from PSU wiki:
http://psu.fei-yen.jp/wiki/html/DB2FA5D5A5A9A5C8A5F3A5A2A1BCA5C42FA5D0A5ECA5C3A5C8 .html

[amtalx]

According to the amesani data, Grinna Bete S are only vulnerable to Jellen and Zalure...bastards. Good thing we don't see them very often.

[XDeathX]

On 2008-04-03 11:42, amtalx wrote:
Grinna Bete C are weak to Virus. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif The S variety care not for my Virus.



On 2008-04-03 11:30, XDeathX wrote:

On 2008-04-03 10:49, amtalx wrote:
^This was exactly my point^, whining because you didn't get your LOLH4X. At least you didn't have to buy your PA again an relevel it because it got worse.


Atleast you can relevel it wicked fast. And incase you were wondering, 450% isn't too much.



Yes...because RIFLES HAVE BEEN KNOWN TO LEVEL FAST. What game are you playing? So you want a 40% ATP boost and a +30% speed boost... You should probably just hop on PSO, grab a hacked J-Sword and call it a day. You get a 10% boost plus +30% speed. Add those two numbers together, get 40%, and be happy.



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You shouldn't be talking. Your precious rifle also got a 30% speed boost and you want more.

You want 30% boost in speed and SE5.

Perhaps it is you that should stop whining. Hypocrit.



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[amtalx]

@XDeathX: Ugh...I feel like I'm talking at a 3rd grader that insists on regurgitating whatever I say no mater how little sense it makes. The point is that Jabroga is getting better. Is it getting that numbers to appease the damage whores? Maybe not, but its still getting better. Killer Shot has a trend of getting worse as it levels. Masochism is the only reason to level KS past 21.

[XDeathX]

And I feel like I'm talking to a irritating 5 year old tha has no idea what hes saying and tries to play it off by saying it makes no sense when it makes perfect sense.

Theres no point in arguing with a neanderthal such as yourself.

Good day sir.

And FYI, all rifle bullets get knockdown after 31 and gunmasters get speed boost which all applies to killer shot as well, not to mention KS uses less PP after 31 so it might be like not using more PP as gunmaster compared to the way it is now.

idiot.

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[amtalx]

Abandoning your point of view doesn't bode well for your stance. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

I know that Rifles get knockdown at 31+. That's a fantastic addition that gives Rifles a long overdue boost. Kudos to ST for that. ...too bad that's not what we are talking about. But you are wrong about one thing, knockdown does NOT apply to KS or Mayalee after 31+. Even if it did, I think it would be a mistake. KS + knockdown would be too powerful, even if its stalled at SE4.

[Rayokarna]

On 2008-04-03 12:09, XDeathX wrote:
And I feel like I'm talking to a irritating 5 year old tha has no idea what hes saying and tries to play it off by saying it makes no sense when it makes perfect sense.

Theres no point in arguing with a neanderthal such as yourself.

Good day sir.

And FYI, all rifle bullets get knockdown after 31 and gunmasters get speed boost which all applies to killer shot as well, not to mention KS uses less PP after 31 so it might be like not using more PP as gunmaster compared to the way it is now.

idiot.

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LMAO. Killer Shot doen't get the knock down effect after lvl 31+ and it's PP amount stays the same at 31-50. But what he's trying to say is that Killer Shot gets HARDER to use at lvl 31+ onwards with no positive effects. Geez, even I got that...

[panzer_unit]

Knockdown on KS31+ would keep robot explosions from owning your teammates, which is IMO one of the most fun things about it. lolfighters

[amtalx]

On 2008-04-03 12:16, Rayokarna wrote:
Killer Shot doen't get the knock down effect after lvl 31+ and it's PP amount stays the same at 31-50.



Hey thanks for confirming that. Its not nearly as bad knowing that PP cost won't increase at 41. Getting a kick in the pants at 31+ still sucks though. Does anyone know the ATA mod at Lvl 50? If its high enough, I'll probably consider keeping a 31+ bullet.

*prays for 100% ATA mod*

[Andy1423]

Hit KILL SHOT targets should crumble in black looking dust, for 1.) to know that it was effected by killer shot/ incapacitate and 2.) to null any explosive or negative damage after since the target was INCAPACITATED.

[desturel]

On 2008-04-03 12:30, amtalx wrote:
Getting a kick in the pants at 31+ still sucks though.


After the PA rebalance, there will be no kick in the pants at 31.

Guntecher/Fortegunner/Gunmaster:

1-10 lvl 2 SE
32/25/38

11-20 lvl 3 SE
40/32/48

21-40 lvl 4 SE
48/38/57

41-50 lvl 4 SE
57

Mayalee Shot is:

1-10 lvl 2 SE
13/10/15

11-20 lvl 3 SE
16/12/19

21-30 lvl 4 SE
19/15/22

31-40 lvl 4 SE
22/17/26

41-50 lvl 5 SE
30

The problem is that Killer Shot costs 57 for a gunmaster at level 21. I think that's plenty of a kick in the pants.

[amtalx]

Yea...57 is no joke. With Gunmaster firing speed thats like 200 PP/sec AHHHH! GoF = dropping all items and carrying 40 Yohmei Rifles.

[Gunslinger-08]

On 2008-04-03 12:43, amtalx wrote:
Yea...57 is no joke. With Gunmaster firing speed thats like 200 PP/sec AHHHH! GoF = dropping all items and carrying 40 Yohmei Rifles.


http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif
Photon Charges too much to bother with?

[desturel]

On 2008-04-03 12:53, Gunslinger-08 wrote:

On 2008-04-03 12:43, amtalx wrote:
Yea...57 is no joke. With Gunmaster firing speed thats like 200 PP/sec AHHHH! GoF = dropping all items and carrying 40 Yohmei Rifles.


http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif
Photon Charges too much to bother with?


He's probably using a cosmo at the end of the mission. If you try to keep up with just photon charges in Grove of Fanatics with Killer Shot, you'll be buying 10 at the end of each run.

To give yourself an idea of what I'm talking about, try running through grove with Killer Shot and Hard Power Charge or Hard Hit Charge (or heck Giga/Skill) and see how long your rifle lasts before you have to use a photon charge.

[Syl]

On 2008-04-03 12:09, XDeathX wrote:
And FYI, all rifle bullets get knockdown after 31 and gunmasters get speed boost which all applies to killer shot as well, not to mention KS uses less PP after 31 so it might be like not using more PP as gunmaster compared to the way it is now.


Wrong and wrong. There's no knockdown for KS.

And while GM does in fact get a speed enhancement, did you know that the higher you level your rifle, the slower it shoots? Yeah, it slows down even more at +41.

You're one of those typical crybaby FF's that complain about anything even though you can still dish out immense numbers (and now there'll be a speed up to it too). OMG Y JABROGA STOP AT 450%? OMG Y SEGA NOT MAEK IT LIEK 24562435%?!?!?!1one

Ever try thinking about other classes than yours for once?

[Zael]

Hm, does Killer Shot get level 5 SE?

[Rayokarna]

On 2008-04-03 14:40, Zael wrote:
Hm, does Killer Shot get level 5 SE?



No.

[XDeathX]

On 2008-04-03 14:29, SylviaEspada wrote:

On 2008-04-03 12:09, XDeathX wrote:
And FYI, all rifle bullets get knockdown after 31 and gunmasters get speed boost which all applies to killer shot as well, not to mention KS uses less PP after 31 so it might be like not using more PP as gunmaster compared to the way it is now.


Wrong and wrong. There's no knockdown for KS.

And while GM does in fact get a speed enhancement, did you know that the higher you level your rifle, the slower it shoots? Yeah, it slows down even more at +41.

You're one of those typical crybaby FF's that complain about anything even though you can still dish out immense numbers (and now there'll be a speed up to it too). OMG Y JABROGA STOP AT 450%? OMG Y SEGA NOT MAEK IT LIEK 24562435%?!?!?!1one

Ever try thinking about other classes than yours for once?


This post here is a prime example of why people need to actually read posts. NOT ONCE did I ever say it should be more than 450% or like 500% or more. So you got the wrong guy. So go cry to someone else.



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[pikachief]

On 2008-04-03 11:46, desturel wrote:

On 2008-04-03 11:44, Rayokarna wrote:

On 2008-04-03 11:42, amtalx wrote:
Grinna Bete C are weak to Virus. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif The S variety care not for my Virus.



Stun?



I've never been able to stun a Grinna Bete S.

BTW, I got Sleep level 5 for Mayalee shot from PSU wiki:
http://psu.fei-yen.jp/wiki/html/DB2FA5D5A5A9A5C8A5F3A5A2A1BCA5C42FA5D0A5ECA5C3A5C8 .html



acctually u can stun them but it doesnt do anything lol.

It even says that their stunned but they still move around, it pretty much just knocks them back lol

[XDeathX]

Its all abouthaving a sense of accomplishment and being nicely rewarded when having it at 50, not dmg. Right now its pointless so I do not give a shit about leveling it up that high.

[blkbeast]

ok wheres dat video?
of these soo called SE...'s

[amtalx]

When I'm the sole KSer in GoF, I go through about ~10-12 Rifles with a bullet save as a fG. And that's at Lvl 30. With 31+ as a GM I could easily go through 20 considering the increase in firing rate. If I'm burning 20 Rifles per run, a Cosmo is definitely the way to go. Now that I think about it, getting 20 S rank Rifles is going to be an even bigger problem, haha.

[dogg1000]

On 2008-04-03 16:41, amtalx wrote:
When I'm the sole KSer in GoF, I go through about ~10-12 Rifles with a bullet save as a fG. And that's at Lvl 30. With 31+ as a GM I could easily go through 20 considering the increase in firing rate. If I'm burning 20 Rifles per run, a Cosmo is definitely the way to go. Now that I think about it, getting 20 S rank Rifles is going to be an even bigger problem, haha.

O.o i go thru maybe 3 rifels thru GoF and 4-5 rifles thru DG. waht u suing HPC or 1* rifles?

[amtalx]

Are you doing speed runs? I find it very hard to believe that you can get through 3 blocks of GoF with 3 Rifles. HPC with KS? LOL.

[dogg1000]

lol ive done it accidentally but what type of rifle u using i go thru it with 3 rifles yah

[pikachief]

i go through like 10 rifles a run D:

And i use all 7* yohemi rifles and 1 phantom 6/6 what do u use? D:

[dogg1000]

I use a bunch of 10* yomei rifle 7/x



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[Totti]

I may have missed it (Didn't read the last 5 pages) - But wouldn't lightning SE 5 make bosses all but useless?

[amtalx]

On 2008-04-04 01:55, Totti wrote:
I may have missed it (Didn't read the last 5 pages) - But wouldn't lightning SE 5 make bosses all but useless?



Bosses are immune to SE. Even if we got SE50, it still wouldn't work.

[amtalx]

On 2008-04-03 23:04, dogg1000 wrote:
I use a bunch of 10* yomei rifle 7/x




Even with those, you are still only burning less than 6k PP. Pika is burning over 15k. You must have super KS. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_confused.gif

[daniel_drago]

On 2008-04-03 16:25, XDeathX wrote:

On 2008-04-03 14:29, SylviaEspada wrote:

On 2008-04-03 12:09, XDeathX wrote:
And FYI, all rifle bullets get knockdown after 31 and gunmasters get speed boost which all applies to killer shot as well, not to mention KS uses less PP after 31 so it might be like not using more PP as gunmaster compared to the way it is now.


Wrong and wrong. There's no knockdown for KS.

And while GM does in fact get a speed enhancement, did you know that the higher you level your rifle, the slower it shoots? Yeah, it slows down even more at +41.

You're one of those typical crybaby FF's that complain about anything even though you can still dish out immense numbers (and now there'll be a speed up to it too). OMG Y JABROGA STOP AT 450%? OMG Y SEGA NOT MAEK IT LIEK 24562435%?!?!?!1one

Ever try thinking about other classes than yours for once?


This post here is a prime example of why people need to actually read posts. NOT ONCE did I ever say it should be more than 450% or like 500% or more. So you got the wrong guy. So go cry to someone else.



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no you have been complaining that Jabroga should go higher and continue gaining a huge % bonus from 40-50 so shush child.

Also something you to take note is that, if it hasn't already been confirmed, we will possibly get character levels to 200. So you want roughtly 450% ATP mod on jabroga and to have a male beast FM which could easily have 2500 ATP at lvl 200/20. wow I'm a FF and even I have the urge to start calling it jaBROKEN....Look at the long term effects of the ENTIRE game not what you've got in front of you

I just did some maths (god help me I hope I'm wrong) but after taking a beast males ATP and FM ATP %mod lvl 130/20 then with the 450% (roughly)of jabroken that you would like....

ITS OVER 9000!!!!
no shit its actually over 9million I hope I'm doing my maths wrong.


yeah my maths was wrong thank the lord. It's going to be over 9000ATP by the time you get to level 200 but at 130/20 its 8200+
so yeah JABROKEN anyone?
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[icewyrm]

On 2008-04-04 04:31, daniel_drago wrote:
yeah my maths was wrong thank the lord. It's going to be over 9000ATP by the time you get to level 200 but at 130/20 its 8200+
so yeah JABROKEN anyone?


Don't forget buffs http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[amtalx]

If it gets too out of hand, people will bitch and ST will nerf it.

[icewyrm]

On 2008-04-04 05:10, amtalx wrote:
If it gets too out of hand, japanese psu players might bitch and ST will nerf it.

Fixed it for ya http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[daniel_drago]

On 2008-04-04 05:06, icewyrm wrote:

On 2008-04-04 04:31, daniel_drago wrote:
yeah my maths was wrong thank the lord. It's going to be over 9000ATP by the time you get to level 200 but at 130/20 its 8200+
so yeah JABROKEN anyone?


Don't forget buffs http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif



simple relpy to this is F U ....you go work it out I'm to lazy lol although i could prolly do it off the top of my head.....9250 at 130/20 with 25%ATP mod off buffs as thats the highest right?

[Andy1423]

lol ive done it accidentally but what type of rifle u using i go thru it with 3 rifles yah


If you're using killshot that's BS. You're lying.


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[Hrith]

Yeah, I've done speed runs of GoF and DG, it's impossible to do that with three rifles, and I'm Fortegunner with Bullet Save and KS Lv40.

It's 6~7 for GoF and 8~9 for DG; and I mean Mizurakihoh.

[dogg1000]

Maybe im jsut remembering wrong but idk what your using if its 20 rifles a run

[dogg1000]

Just tested it i use 5 rifles a run at DG

[Andy1423]

Just tested it i use 5 rifles a run at DG

yah with a full party, and you not really doing much but standing there acting stupid



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[Yunfa]

On 2008-04-06 03:43, Andy1423 wrote:



Just tested it i use 5 rifles a run at DG

yah with a full party, and you not really doing much but standing there acting stupid



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Maybe the cookies his been eating made him stupid enough to think he ran GoF/KS with only 3 rifles, its impossible.

"Oh I remember etc etc etc." --- Its called false memory

@ xDeathx
I've been lurking the forums, and man every time I see your post I get irritated. (If easy was also in this thread I would've have punched a baby.)

[dogg1000]

3 rifles at GoF is ez just skip half the map and only need 5 rifles at DG -_-

[Andy1423]

Dude. lol. I'm sorry but I just do not believe you. I can easily waste one rifle a room. 3 rifles for the entire run is strait up BS