PA rebalancing, bullet and tech leveling

[Valvalion]

Me again.

A couple of questions...

Regarding the PA rebalancing that's happening, this is just with rifles and laser cannons?

Is this changing how long it takes to level the PA up, or just the elemental percentages when leveled?

Also regarding bullet and tech leveling, does it level faster the more targets you hit? If I were to hit three enemy with one bolt of zonde, will that level it quicker than just hitting one enemy over?



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[Golto]

All PAs will lvl faster, still not 100% on how much faster and the increase between the 3 types of PAs. Some say Techs and Skills lvl 2x as fast and bullets 3x as fast.

[Syl]

Anything that hits multiple targets will level a lot faster the more targets you hit.

[Tulio07]

multi hitting seems to make leveling go faster for me. Helped alot leveling megid.

[Golto]

Elemental rifle bullets gets an increase of 20% to atp and 10% to ata along with varying element % increase. 20%, 26%,32%,40%,48% after patch.

Elemental Laser bullets gets an insane element % increase to 30%,35%,40%,45%,50% after patch.

[amtalx]

On 2008-04-18 10:00, Golto wrote:
Elemental rifle bullets gets an increase of 20% to atp and 10% to ata along with varying element % increase. 20%, 26%,32%,40%,48% after patch.

Elemental Laser bullets gets an insane element % increase to 30%,35%,40%,45%,50% after patch.



For all you gunners out there (particularly potential Gunmasters) that means level ALL your elements. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif You are giving up a huge amount of damage if you don't.

[Akaimizu]

That goes without saying. I think you're going to suddenly see a lot of gunners with much better element levels once the update comes out. Not simply because they're increasing efforts to level them, but because it doesn't take forever for one to level them. I do have some bullets that aren't that high, but I swear I put a heck of a lot of time into already.

[amtalx]

My faith in 'Average Joe Gunner' is incredibly low. Laser Cannons shoot pure smite as it is and I still never see people using them. EVERY time I use one around people I don't usually run with, someone inevtiably asks "What kind of damage do you do with that Laser Cann--OH SHIT THAT'S NICE. I gotta get me some of those".

[panzer_unit]

*kicks his lv37 Phantasm Prism* stupid bullet skill

[amtalx]

On 2008-04-18 10:43, panzer_unit wrote:
*kicks his lv37 Phantasm Prism* stupid bullet skill



I hear the NPC will take that off your hands. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[panzer_unit]

I bet even level 1 skills are more powerful now, with that sick 30% mod.

[Akaimizu]

Loving the Laser Cannon, but funny enough, I normally run with friends. Don't get so many "oohhs or aahhhs" from people due to my lack of running truly random often. For the random people that I do occasionally run with, I think quite a few people look at the individual numbers but don't bother doing the math.

Not so much noticing of what my Laser is really doing. They're too busy seeing fighter and or techer damage numbers not exactly realizing how fast the laser is really shooting. As for my friend circles....well, they know.

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[jayster]

speaking of leveling bullets, I'v always wondered this. Does your % exp for a bullet go up more if you hit 5 different monsters with a shotgun shot or does it go up the same if you hit 1 monster with all 5 bullets.

[Proto07]

On 2008-04-18 10:39, amtalx wrote:
My faith in 'Average Joe Gunner' is incredibly low. Laser Cannons shoot pure smite as it is and I still never see people using them. EVERY time I use one around people I don't usually run with, someone inevtiably asks "What kind of damage do you do with that Laser Cann--OH SHIT THAT'S NICE. I gotta get me some of those".

Are your laser bullets leveled up high? Highest I have is lvl 17 and no one is ever impressed by my pew pews. "look i'm doing 800 damage to every kakwane" "i can do 5000 damage with my jabroga" =/

[Akaimizu]

On 2008-04-18 11:00, jayster wrote:
speaking of leveling bullets, I'v always wondered this. Does your % exp for a bullet go up more if you hit 5 different monsters with a shotgun shot or does it go up the same if you hit 1 monster with all 5 bullets.



I haven't been able to tell yet. I've been experimenting with it a bit, but I kind of came to the conclusion that as long as your bullets are hitting and you're keeping as much of your shotgun bullets on any target, you're good. However, that thought has come across my mind constantly to the point of actively trying to hit as many mobs at once over shooting just one mob.

[Golto]

jayster: I think a hit is a hit so it doesn't matter if its all against one monster or five monsters as long as all five shots hit.

[amtalx]

On 2008-04-18 11:00, Proto07 wrote:

On 2008-04-18 10:39, amtalx wrote:
My faith in 'Average Joe Gunner' is incredibly low. Laser Cannons shoot pure smite as it is and I still never see people using them. EVERY time I use one around people I don't usually run with, someone inevtiably asks "What kind of damage do you do with that Laser Cann--OH SHIT THAT'S NICE. I gotta get me some of those".

Are your laser bullets leveled up high? Highest I have is lvl 17 and no one is ever impressed by my pew pews. "look i'm doing 800 damage to every kakwane" "i can do 5000 damage with my jabroga" =/



I have everything besides Frozen Prism and Grav Prism 31+ and I hit over 1000 with no buffs/debuffs whatsoever. I also have to use a Meteor Cannon +4 because I sold my Needle Cannon for $$$. Imagine how much better that 1000 will get when I finally make my Love Inferno http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_eek.gif

Anyway, keep working on them. Gunner's strength comes from throwing up average numbers at a high pace. Fighters do larger numbers at a slower pace. Gunners also don't have to worry about being interrupted. When a fighter gets cancelled during the warm-up for Jabroga, just remind him that he's contributed nothing to the party. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[Valvalion]

http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif Thanks for the confirmation on this lot guys.

Another question that i'm sure has been asked countless times... When's it hitting?

[amtalx]

The 25th along with MAG.

[MoNoMaTe_MoNkEy]

Next Week!

[DarkEliteRico]

On 2008-04-18 10:00, Golto wrote:
Elemental rifle bullets gets an increase of 20% to atp and 10% to ata along with varying element % increase. 20%, 26%,32%,40%,48% after patch.

Elemental Laser bullets gets an insane element % increase to 30%,35%,40%,45%,50% after patch.

can i get a holy-WTF...glad i'm taking time to lvl them now, couldn't afford an 11-12* cannon but i took to of my meteor cannons to 7/7 and they're not too bad

[Akaimizu]

I'm still using the Thunder Cannons as that's what I can get a hold of now, as I can't use S rank, and I've yet to acquire the rare A rank Cannon. Plus the Thunders are cheap enough to buy in groups so you can fail at trying to get them grinded past 6 a ton of times.

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[DarkEliteRico]

On 2008-04-18 11:36, Akaimizu wrote:
I'm still using the Thunder Cannons as that's what I can get a hold of now, as I can't use S rank, and I've yet to acquire the rare A rank Cannon. Plus the Thunders are cheap enough to buy in groups so you can fail at trying to get them grinded past 6 a ton of times.

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I'll go ahead and give you one, i think it's at 0/9 or so now but it's a start at least. If you're gonna be on tonight send me a message on xbox live and i'll meet you around

[Akaimizu]

Thanks. I'll let you know if I'm going to be on. I'm going to the movies tonight, so I'm not sure if I'll be on before Saturday. Still, thanks again for the offer, I'll probably send you a message.

[DarkEliteRico]

oh no prob, i think maylee and me might go run a mission or two together since i haven't played with her in MONTHS and if we do then hitch a ride with us and i'll get you taken care of as best as i can

[Akaimizu]

I'm in the same boat. I haven't played with MayLee in a while. We've said hi and stuff, but not actually ran a mission together.

[Atomic646]

I think the "Hit Everyone Spell" ie:Megid & Zonde. are flawed. When I started leveling Foi & megid, they were both at level 1. Now Foi is level 25 and Megid is level 6. Megid hits everyone in a line, Foi hits only one. I gave up on megid it should level faster than Foi right?

[MoNoMaTe_MoNkEy]

Thats the very reason Foie levels faster. Since it is a "Single Target" spell, its exp requirements are less than those which hit straight line with multiple targets, such as Zonde, Barta and Megid.

[Randomness]

Thats a far greater boost to laser %s than I expected. Now I really need to work on em, my highest is Frozen at 14... (I'm a shotgun addict. Lasers also just level slow...) 30% elemental at level 1? What on earth are they thinking? That would be worth having unleveled bullets, just for that insane percent. (After all, lasers have ATP comparable to rifles)

[redroses]

I can't confirm the PA rebalance will be added on 4/25, I will get you more info about what is included in the 4/25 rebalancing soon.

Max and Edward are still here to help users with billing and technical support through email, and are SEGA customer support representatives not GMs.

-Chill

I just read this on the official forums.
I sooo hope they won't delay the PA balance update ;__;

[Mikura]

On 2008-04-18 12:57, amai_berry wrote:

I can't confirm the PA rebalance will be added on 4/25, I will get you more info about what is included in the 4/25 rebalancing soon.

Max and Edward are still here to help users with billing and technical support through email, and are SEGA customer support representatives not GMs.

-Chill

I just read this on the official forums.
I sooo hope they won't delay the PA balance update ;__;



They delay it again, I am going to fly off the freaking handle. >_>

[Clunker]

OOOooh HELL NO! I was depending on that PA update and MAG to kill 3 birds with one stone. First, get my Gunner PAs up to max (I've been doing Hunter classes for a while), get my new Beast Alt up to 80ish or higher, and grab some good rares... ARGH!

[mvffin]

great, so I better level all my PA's this week instead of "while actually playing"

[Golto]

There's no good reason but poor management for a 2nd delay of the PA adjustments for pc/ps2 at least. Nothing for them to translate so there goes that excuse. Just change a few bits and bytes to the exe.

[BFGfreak]

On 2008-04-18 12:57, amai_berry wrote:

I can't confirm the PA rebalance will be added on 4/25, I will get you more info about what is included in the 4/25 rebalancing soon.

Max and Edward are still here to help users with billing and technical support through email, and are SEGA customer support representatives not GMs.

-Chill

I just read this on the official forums.
I sooo hope they won't delay the PA balance update ;__;

Well, the way I view it, it could shift either way; It could be delayed even longer, or it could be snuck into an earlier update. (granted I wouldn't get my hopes up, but I think we remember FoI/GBR)

[Tita]

wow, can psu get any easier?

this is actually turning me off a bit, even though it would totally help my casual gaming/busy schedule out. i guess it's cool though, since i see it as a reward for putting all that time and effort earlier on with my main, and i'll be able to put some time into my gunner and techer alts and add more variety to my gameplay, so that's welcomed.

lol at me seeing a silver lining in the silver lining :

[hewitt]

I believe the Japanese servers got the rebalancing, right? If so then does anyone know the feedback on how big a difference it is?

[Sekani]

It's like the "New Topic" button is the only thing that exists on this page....

http://pso-world.com/viewtopic.php?topic=174010&forum=20&35

[hewitt]

I checked that thread, there was no sure info on how much less exp there was <<

[Sekani]

On 2008-04-18 09:43, Golto wrote:
All PAs will lvl faster, still not 100% on how much faster and the increase between the 3 types of PAs. Some say Techs and Skills lvl 2x as fast and bullets 3x as fast.

[hewitt]

I saw that too, and I figured there was more info out then just that.

[Sekani]

There are several other threads if you search (http://pso-world.com/searchbb.php) for them. I'm going to stop here as I honestly don't have a clue what you're looking for.

[Uncle_bob]

On 2008-04-18 20:57, Tita wrote:
wow, can psu get any easier?



Try leveling rifle bullets, and come back and ask again. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif

[Mikura]

On 2008-04-19 21:33, Uncle_bob wrote:

On 2008-04-18 20:57, Tita wrote:
wow, can psu get any easier?



Try leveling rifle bullets, and come back and ask again. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif



Not only that but some people would like to be able to cap their PAs on their alts too. ;x If you just have one character, you probably already have everything capped or near capped by now. But if you juggle around 2 or 3 other characters, it becomes a bit more problematic.

[Mystil]

I think the chikki nerf is coming, but not the xp rebalance of PAs. ^_^

[Dirkster111]

So, anymore word on this? I've done some reading here and on the official forums but not much info. For a person with a Guntecher and Fortegunner soon to be Gunmaster I'm very much hoping we the PA rebalance Friday.

[DarkEliteRico]

On 2008-04-19 21:33, Uncle_bob wrote:

On 2008-04-18 20:57, Tita wrote:
wow, can psu get any easier?



Try leveling rifle bullets, and come back and ask again. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif

They're not too bad, twins were almost as bad for them to hit 31. I've gotta try to do laser cannons bigtime

[Zarode]

On 2008-04-20 04:54, Mystil wrote:
I think the chikki nerf is coming, but not the xp rebalance of PAs. ^_^



That doesn't make me happy. I'm perfectly able to get my hits in, and I won't beable to level certain slow PAs now. I'm looking at you, Laser Cannon bullets. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_argh.gif

[Dark Emerald EXE]

On 2008-04-21 09:58, Zarode wrote:

On 2008-04-20 04:54, Mystil wrote:
I think the chikki nerf is coming, but not the xp rebalance of PAs. ^_^



That doesn't make me happy. I'm perfectly able to get my hits in, and I won't beable to level certain slow PAs now. I'm looking at you, Laser Cannon bullets. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_argh.gif




lol XD

[RadiantLegend]

Do the current % for twin handgun change. I saw the lv 41+ %s at 44%.