MAG Time Attack Hacks? 'O_O'

[Edgard]

I'm just joking about the hackers, but how the hell can anyone S rank the S mission in 8:00 minutes?

On one occasion I did the run in 7:30 but it was a C run with 3 lv130... What I'm wondering is how did they do it? were they all fortefighters?


http://phantasystaruniverse.jp/event/mag2008/en/timeattack/



The good news is that pc/ps2 players got this godly time record! Great way to represent the pc/ps2 community!

[Ffuzzy-Logik]

Just wait till we get Paradi Cataract. The fastest JP times were just over 5 minutes.

[ljkkjlcm9]

I'm quite sure the japanese players had the runs down between 5-6 minutes.

THE JACKEL

[Edgard]

No way O_O 5 mins? what? so what weapons/techs are they using? damn that just crazy, too bad my PC sucks too much. I don't think it can handle loading everything fast enough.

[JaiBlue]

Slicer pa spam fighters? or Megid happy go lucky techers? you be the judge.

[Sekani]

Protip: You don't have to get an S-rank on a time attack run.

[Umberger]

On 2008-04-27 21:36, Ffuzzy-Logik wrote:
Just wait till we get Paradi Cataract. The fastest JP times were just over 5 minutes.



I don't believe PSU JP had the Chikki nerf we received though.

[Anduril]

On 2008-04-27 21:51, Umberger wrote:

On 2008-04-27 21:36, Ffuzzy-Logik wrote:
Just wait till we get Paradi Cataract. The fastest JP times were just over 5 minutes.



I don't believe PSU JP had the Chikki nerf we received though.

You are right in that point.

[Zorafim]

How ironic. 25th place is a player named noob.

More impressive than the 8:00 time is the solo 8:17 time. With a team, I can understand. But being able to solo S rank in 9 minutes? That takes some work.

[Umberger]

On 2008-04-27 21:56, Zorafim wrote:
How ironic. 25th place is a player named noob.

More impressive than the 8:00 time is the solo 8:17 time. With a team, I can understand. But being able to solo S rank in 9 minutes? That takes some work.



I believe this topic was brought up on the official boards and they came to the conclusion that the other members of that party had completed it on S with a faster time...there's several instances of it on the leaderboards.

[Indica]

On 2008-04-27 21:37, ljkkjlcm9 wrote:
I'm quite sure the japanese players had the runs down between 5-6 minutes.

THE JACKEL



Maybe so, but monsters were LV125 and not LV140

[mvffin]

On 2008-04-27 22:08, Umberger wrote:

On 2008-04-27 21:56, Zorafim wrote:
How ironic. 25th place is a player named noob.

More impressive than the 8:00 time is the solo 8:17 time. With a team, I can understand. But being able to solo S rank in 9 minutes? That takes some work.



I believe this topic was brought up on the official boards and they came to the conclusion that the other members of that party had completed it on S with a faster time...there's several instances of it on the leaderboards.



I can't believe so many people don't think about that when they see a single person with an 8 min time. First thing I thought when I saw it.

I've had at least 4 ppl ask me about that today.

[ApolloAltair]

boggles my mind...

[Simmy]

Our team of 2 beast fortefighters,1 human Fortefighter, and 1 Beast Fortegunner Cleared S rank on X-box 360 in 10 minutes flat...It seems alot of it is about luck, as in how the spawns happen(Sometimes mobs run away)... If our time stands the entire month, EnvY and Monster owe us all 20 mill each... Party is NurseTuna 130 Beast Fortefighter,Inuyasha 130 Beast Fortefighter, IceMan 130 Beast Fortegunner, and Kite Human Fortefighter.

[STRANG]

Machinegun Glitch Anyone? There have been three that i know of and possibly 6 or 7 total(maybe more) that have been known throughout the community that were not widespread popularized. Just some food for thought. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

[SabZero]

On 2008-04-27 21:49, Sekani wrote:
Protip: You don't have to get an S-rank on a time attack run.


That's new to me. Yeah, the page doesn't actually say, I suppose pepole tend to imply you'd need a S rank finish.

It makes a big difference though!

[Cracka_J]

Out team -TLM- is currently 10th with a 8:45 time. While I won't give away what we're doing or what we're trying to improve on, all I can say is that there is a LOT we can still try to perfect. 0 glitches/hacks, just smart teamwork and a varied team. It's rough, but I think we can come close to that time if we get everything down the way we want it to go.

Also, a few psow peeps (kietrinia to name 1) can vouch that we are a 0 hack team. We got her on the boards yesterday with a variation of our normal party.

[RadiantLegend]

The minimum kill is 206 right?

[Schubalts]

209 I think.

[beatrixkiddo]

On 2008-04-28 05:23, STRANG wrote:
Machinegun Glitch Anyone? There have been three that i know of and possibly 6 or 7 total(maybe more) that have been known throughout the community that were not widespread popularized. Just some food for thought. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.



Then why aren't hardly any Xbox360 parties on the Time boards?

[Mr_Confused]

On 2008-04-28 08:45, Schubalts wrote:
209 I think.



its 206, you dont have to kill the three boomas near ash in the first block. just run straight to the party gate

[Sekani]

On 2008-04-28 08:53, beatrixkiddo wrote:
Then why aren't hardly any Xbox360 parties on the Time boards?


Even if people are glitching, the slowdown will make it nearly impossible for any 360 parties to compete with the PC players.

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[Feelmirath]

On 2008-04-27 21:56, Zorafim wrote:
How ironic. 25th place is a player named noob.

More impressive than the 8:00 time is the solo 8:17 time. With a team, I can understand. But being able to solo S rank in 9 minutes? That takes some work.


It's not a solo 8:17 time. The other 3 members who were in that party then went on to achieve the 8:00 time.

EDIT:

I believe this topic was brought up on the official boards and they came to the conclusion that the other members of that party had completed it on S with a faster time...there's several instances of it on the leaderboards.
What he said. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

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[Kylie]

Lots of skipping a lots of chikki spamming. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif

[Cracka_J]

We don't have a chikki user. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif
Maybe that's why we cant break 10th http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[Kylie]

On 2008-04-28 11:44, Cracka_J wrote:
We don't have a chikki user. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif
Maybe that's why we cant break 10th http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif


My post was mostly sarcastic. ;o

I mean, congrats to anyone that can pull this off. I have other priorities I care too much more about to make an effort to get on either list, personally. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[Kietrinia]

On 2008-04-28 06:01, Cracka_J wrote:
Out team -TLM- is currently 10th with a 8:45 time. While I won't give away what we're doing or what we're trying to improve on, all I can say is that there is a LOT we can still try to perfect. 0 glitches/hacks, just smart teamwork and a varied team. It's rough, but I think we can come close to that time if we get everything down the way we want it to go.

Also, a few psow peeps (kietrinia to name 1) can vouch that we are a 0 hack team. We got her on the boards yesterday with a variation of our normal party.My head is still spinny from those runs. @.@

But, yeah, I can vouch for it being possible. Takes alot of practice and a routine that is death to break from (one stray rappy added 15 seconds to our time x.x), as well as a reckless abandon for conventional tactics..or at least conventional application of those tactics.

I was being bombarded for tips on making the best time by my other guild the second they saw me vanish from my spot with them. I don't think I can really describe the whole process..plus it's one that's really hard to duplicate with different people. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[Xeph0n]

I dont see the xbox 360 times dipping below the 8 minute mark, even with paradi. We got a 9.39, and it was a good run, but i still dont think it will stay top 100.

Anyone else think 360 and PC/ps2 should have seperate time attack leaderboards? Its unfair, 360 are disadvantaged in that our game just doesnt run as smoothly, but the clock sure does tick as fast. 360 users could easily be locked out of the top 50 in the end through no fault of our own.

[jayster]

My best run is in the 16mins... I don't know how everyone else is doing them so fast XD Maybe it's because I always run with randoms. who knows.

[Darius_Drake]

On 2008-04-28 13:09, jayster wrote:
My best run is in the 16mins... I don't know how everyone else is doing them so fast XD Maybe it's because I always run with randoms. who knows.



Apparently the people doing it for time are not trying to S rank it. I found a nice group and we tried to do it as fast as we could, but we thought you had to S rank it. The fastest we could do it was 15:34. All of us were level 130's. Who knows what time we could have got if we would have skipped the unnecessary monsters. If you are going for time keep that in mind.

[Dragwind]

Lol got top 100 on first try <_<;

[JAFO22000]

On 2008-04-28 11:20, Feelmirath wrote:

On 2008-04-27 21:56, Zorafim wrote:
How ironic. 25th place is a player named noob.

More impressive than the 8:00 time is the solo 8:17 time. With a team, I can understand. But being able to solo S rank in 9 minutes? That takes some work.


It's not a solo 8:17 time. The other 3 members who were in that party then went on to achieve the 8:00 time.

EDIT:

I believe this topic was brought up on the official boards and they came to the conclusion that the other members of that party had completed it on S with a faster time...there's several instances of it on the leaderboards.
What he said. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

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No. The party name of the solo person is different. And the team that completed the run in 8:00 has four players....how could this person have been a part of that team??

[Cracka_J]

The solo person parties with the #1 team on a previous run, different team name. They then later sub out the player, (matt in this case), add another, break their previous records.

Matt stays at his same time since he's not part of the new party.
The other 3, and the new member go to #1, based on their new times.

Party name also changes to accomodate the new party name, while matt is left with the old party name.

Simply put, these were 2 seperate runs. Matt being in the first one, and not in the 2nd run that broke the time of the party he was on.

[JAFO22000]

On 2008-04-28 13:49, Cracka_J wrote:
The solo person parties with the #1 team on a previous run, different team name. They then later sub out the player, (matt in this case), add another, break their previous records.

Matt stays at his same time since he's not part of the new party.
The other 3, and the new member go to #1, based on their new times.

Party name also changes to accomodate the new party name, while matt is left with the old party name.

Simply put, these were 2 seperate runs. Matt being in the first one, and not in the 2nd run that broke the time of the party he was on.



Ah....thanks for clarifying this!

[Kerry157]

blehg

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[LuigiMario]

I wish to see a video of all this 8min runs by these PS2/PC in 1st page people or else all this is just bullshit.

[Shadow_Wing]

On 2008-04-28 11:51, Kietrinia wrote:

On 2008-04-28 06:01, Cracka_J wrote:
Out team -TLM- is currently 10th with a 8:45 time. While I won't give away what we're doing or what we're trying to improve on, all I can say is that there is a LOT we can still try to perfect. 0 glitches/hacks, just smart teamwork and a varied team. It's rough, but I think we can come close to that time if we get everything down the way we want it to go.

Also, a few psow peeps (kietrinia to name 1) can vouch that we are a 0 hack team. We got her on the boards yesterday with a variation of our normal party.My head is still spinny from those runs. @.@

But, yeah, I can vouch for it being possible. Takes alot of practice and a routine that is death to break from (one stray rappy added 15 seconds to our time x.x), as well as a reckless abandon for conventional tactics..or at least conventional application of those tactics.

I was being bombarded for tips on making the best time by my other guild the second they saw me vanish from my spot with them. I don't think I can really describe the whole process..plus it's one that's really hard to duplicate with different people. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif



Truth be told, I want to experiment on a few other things, I know what we need more of and what we don't need, it's mainly just getting lucky with these spawns. So far... stray mobs is pissing me off lol.

[Cracka_J]

Everyone's favorite mexican, Jose, got a chance to speak with the GM's on moatoob uni 18 yesterday. These were not the fake parties, he was in there with helper-bot and melchior (sp?). I was in vent with Jose at the time, and he got to ask them about possible cheating/hacks in the time attack. Their response was along these lines:

"We are looking into the possibility of cheating/hacks for the TA. If there are users found of using these methods, their scores will be removed, and the lower ranking teams will be moved up. We will also be editing team/player names (most likely due to some language)."

This is not a direct quote, but the jist of what Jose reported over vent. Take it how you will...but it seems if top times are being made by any kind of hacks, they aren't going to stay there for long.

EDIT:

On 2008-04-28 22:09, LuigiMario wrote:
I wish to see a video of all this 8min runs by these PS2/PC in 1st page people or else all this is just bullshit.



This is a great idea, and I'll try to do it with my team if I can get a camera set up properly. However, I won't release it until after MAG for obvious reasons http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

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[Phoenix_Black]

I've tried an unparadox method to gettin' your speed up. Metal or techno/electronic music. It gets the juices flowing and sets a beat for you.

[pikachief]

i do every S run in 13-14 min. if i tried for speed runs i could make it on the leaderboards http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

it isnt a hard mission http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[Darius_Drake]

On 2008-04-29 12:03, pikachief wrote:
i do every S run in 13-14 min. if i tried for speed runs i could make it on the leaderboards http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

it isnt a hard mission http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif



Constantly hitting those times on S you must be doing it with the same party each time. I just join random parties when I do the mission. If that is what you are doing, invite me so I can get some 13-14 minute runs in as well. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[Syl]

On 2008-04-29 11:09, Phoenix_Black wrote:
I've tried an unparadox method to gettin' your speed up. Metal or techno/electronic music. It gets the juices flowing and sets a beat for you.


lol

[RegulusHikari]

On 2008-04-29 11:09, Phoenix_Black wrote:
I've tried an unparadox method to gettin' your speed up. Metal or techno/electronic music. It gets the juices flowing and sets a beat for you.



Actually, I was listening to Knights of Cydonia at the time, but I suppose that would work, too. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[jayster]

On 2008-04-29 05:28, Cracka_J wrote:


This is a great idea, and I'll try to do it with my team if I can get a camera set up properly. However, I won't release it until after MAG for obvious reasons http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

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I don't get what the big deal is. If you can help people do runs faster, that'll help us reach our goal faster.

I think it's obvious now that you skip the part with Ash, skip the first secret room, skip the buttons room in caves. What other secrets are there besides good teamwork? If you know anything that can help people speed run it, then let us know.

[chicken105]

On 2008-04-28 12:46, Xeph0n wrote:
I dont see the xbox 360 times dipping below the 8 minute mark, even with paradi. We got a 9.39, and it was a good run, but i still dont think it will stay top 100.

Anyone else think 360 and PC/ps2 should have seperate time attack leaderboards? Its unfair, 360 are disadvantaged in that our game just doesnt run as smoothly, but the clock sure does tick as fast. 360 users could easily be locked out of the top 50 in the end through no fault of our own.


just wait till Sunday. Jess will have his cast up and I know better spots to SUV with faster spawns. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif we will be back on the 50 again. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif We can at least get 9:29 lol. - Peter Griffen

[ljkkjlcm9]

On 2008-04-28 13:49, Cracka_J wrote:
The solo person parties with the #1 team on a previous run, different team name. They then later sub out the player, (matt in this case), add another, break their previous records.

Matt stays at his same time since he's not part of the new party.
The other 3, and the new member go to #1, based on their new times.

Party name also changes to accomodate the new party name, while matt is left with the old party name.

Simply put, these were 2 seperate runs. Matt being in the first one, and not in the 2nd run that broke the time of the party he was on.



I'd just like to say that Matt could've actually been the 2nd run instead of the first as well. The order of the two runs does not matter, as the other members of the team would have a faster time. If 3 people from the current first place team did another run with a new 4th, and got say, 8:10 for a time, that person would also appear by themself on the charts, but the three would remain as they are with their faster time.

...and for the record, if people were hacking the mission, it'd be a lot faster than 8 minutes lol

THE JACKEL

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[RegulusHikari]

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w269/Regulus_stopusingmyname/PSU/psu20080429_191115_001.jpg

[Legendria]

On 2008-04-30 04:18, RegulusHikari wrote:
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w269/Regulus_stopusingmyname/PSU/psu20080429_191115_001.jpg



gg pc scrubs

im in ur mag haxin ur leaderboardz

[Cracka_J]

On 2008-04-30 01:46, ljkkjlcm9 wrote:
I'd just like to say that Matt could've actually been the 2nd run instead of the first as well.


Yup it works either way.


Looks like Reg also beat me to posting about the haxorz. Apparently one of, if not more, of the top times are confirmed as being hack/glitch runs.

I'm pretty sure it's the f'ing never removed (thanks st) megaverse glitch on the final spawn, which would be the only time-wise practical use for it. Expect some times to be removed shortly.

Either way whateva. We landed an 8:31 yesterday anyways, on a run where we encountered a few minimal problems. Sights are on beating HL&P tonight.

Edit:

On 2008-04-29 16:21, jayster wrote:
I don't get what the big deal is. If you can help people do runs faster, that'll help us reach our goal faster.

You can help reach the "goal" by doing 7 minute or less C runs....Time attack is a competition.



On 2008-04-29 16:21, jayster wrote:
What other secrets are there besides good teamwork?


All I can say is "good teamwork" is a mf'ing understatement. Swap flawless for good and you have an idea. If one of us messes up, we all fail. It's that tight. TA is teamwork at it's highest level, and that's one of the reasons I absolutely love it.


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[Sasamichan]

On 2008-04-30 04:44, Legendria wrote:


gg pc scrubs

im in ur mag haxin ur leaderboardz



I know someone thats probably haxing the top spot on the kill counts. He was a weapon hacker when he was on the PC server.



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[Phoenix_Black]

/Fighters is where it's at, correct? No need for techers, right? They just lag things up...

[Legendria]

On 2008-04-30 09:49, Sasamichan wrote:

On 2008-04-30 04:44, Legendria wrote:


gg pc scrubs

im in ur mag haxin ur leaderboardz



I know someone thats probably haxing the top spot on the kill counts. He was a weapon hacker when he was on the PC server.



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Yes, this is totally related. We all know how easy it is to mod your Xbox and take it online. Just put a trainer on your HDD and pop it in duhhhh

Remember back in the day when XBox users had their inventories stolen out of their rooms? I sure do.

Let's throw in our Game Genies guys !

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[Cracka_J]

We know it's confirmed to be happening on the time attack, and that is all. No issues have been raised regarding kill count.

Yes, techers add horrible lag to the party. I hate them.

[Kietrinia]

On 2008-04-30 10:42, Cracka_J wrote:
Yes, techers add horrible lag to the party. I hate them.But...you play a Fortetecher...

[Deadly_Force]

On 2008-04-30 11:48, Kietrinia wrote:

On 2008-04-30 10:42, Cracka_J wrote:
Yes, techers add horrible lag to the party. I hate them.But...you play a Fortetecher...



I hate them too, they cause me so much lag. I also hate Fortefighters because they kill way too fast for anyone else to get EXP and they blow everything away.



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[Alamar]

yea hacks are being used in game(pc), they had to rewrite the whole program cause a GG update 2 months ago destroyed the one they were useing. It is the same thing as the now infamous 4th floor incident. Exact same thing.

[RegulusHikari]

On 2008-04-30 13:08, Deadly_Force wrote:

On 2008-04-30 11:48, Kietrinia wrote:

On 2008-04-30 10:42, Cracka_J wrote:
Yes, techers add horrible lag to the party. I hate them.But...you play a Fortetecher...



I hate them too, they cause me so much lag. I also hate Fortefighters because they kill way too fast for anyone else to get EXP and they blow everything away.


I hate Fortegunners who use rifles, Fortetechers who buff, and Fortefighters who use a high level Jabroga. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

[Deadly_Force]

On 2008-04-30 14:36, RegulusHikari wrote:

On 2008-04-30 13:08, Deadly_Force wrote:

On 2008-04-30 11:48, Kietrinia wrote:

On 2008-04-30 10:42, Cracka_J wrote:
Yes, techers add horrible lag to the party. I hate them.But...you play a Fortetecher...



I hate them too, they cause me so much lag. I also hate Fortefighters because they kill way too fast for anyone else to get EXP and they blow everything away.


I hate Fortegunners who use rifles, Fortetechers who buff, and Fortefighters who use a high level Jabroga. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif



Really?! So do I!

[Darius_Drake]

Dang you guys hate just about everybody.

[ljkkjlcm9]

On 2008-04-30 14:40, Darius_Drake wrote:
Dang you guys hate just about everybody.


I hate people that have ever played PSU, or PSO... that means I even hate myself.

THE JACKEL

[Deadly_Force]

I hate you too JACKEL

[RegulusHikari]

On 2008-04-30 15:01, ljkkjlcm9 wrote:

On 2008-04-30 14:40, Darius_Drake wrote:
Dang you guys hate just about everybody.


I hate people that have ever played PSU, or PSO... that means I even hate myself.

THE JACKEL



I hate people who hate people that have ever played PSU, or PSO. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_mad.gif

HATE HATE HATE.

[Cracka_J]

On 2008-04-30 15:01, ljkkjlcm9 wrote:
that means I even hate myself.


I hate emos...
and canadians.

[Deadly_Force]

On 2008-04-30 15:15, Cracka_J wrote:

On 2008-04-30 15:01, ljkkjlcm9 wrote:
that means I even hate myself.


I hate emos...
and canadians.


I hate people who hate emos

....And Canadians...

I also hate threads that become hate threads
People who hate hating things
People who hate other people hating others for hating things they don't hate but like to hate because they can hate things that makes them hate things that hate other people in hating the hateful world!


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[Cheeseycake]

On 2008-04-30 15:15, Cracka_J wrote:

On 2008-04-30 15:01, ljkkjlcm9 wrote:
that means I even hate myself.


I hate emos...
and canadians.



but im canadian o.o;

Wah Dx