PVP; will it ever be in PSU??

[gratefulgriz]

My friend WAS interested in joining our PC/PS2 AoI community, but since there is no PVP he no longer wants to play. Is there ever going to be PVP? Does anyone have any advice to get him to join? His alternative game is EVE and he isn't to hip on PSU being a total grind fest...anyone know of any changes in the future that might incorporate the more modern and less traditional MMORPG player? Thanks

[chaostroop3]

i hear the next event has pvp

[gratefulgriz]

what is the name of the next event? after MAG?>? and what might the dates be? that would be great if PVP was added to an event

[Ffuzzy-Logik]

The "PvP" in the Dengeki Mission Carnival consists of running around in a small room with laser fences, avoiding traps and trying to grab more glowy balls than your opponents. It does not actually involve attacking other players in any fashion.

Allegedly.

[chaostroop3]

awwwwwwwwwwww

well u can fight each other and everytime you get hit eat a rock cake =] lol

wait till jp next event and we will see abount pvp

[X--Hero--X]

I don't know if combat between players will be present in the next event, but I've seen JP players race one another in a video *looks for footage* ahh!

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=NWFutsBjSFM

[AlMcFly]

Previously I was thinking that there wasn't any PvP in PSO but when you mentioned those laser fences, a whole slew of memories came roaring back into my head. There was a similar game in PSO ep2 right? I seem to remember playing one hit kill games against other players. Can't believe I forgot that.

[Ffuzzy-Logik]

PSO had all of "Battle Mode" dedicated to PvP. Of course, it was extremely imbalanced and utterly blew.

Rule 6 was the only remotely fair type, and only then if you didn't have any forces (LOL ZONDE FROM BEHIND A WALL U DED I WIN ROFL).

[Miyoko]

Your friend is picking EVE over PSU 'cause PSU is too much of a grindfest...?

Isn't EVE like... Supposed to be the biggest grindfest / timesink ever? >.>a

[Inazuma]

"dueling" in dengeki was such a massive failure. the airboard racing was more pvp even. how pathetic.

[gratefulgriz]

sounds like PSU has never had actual player vs player damage dueling, racing is a form of PvP; ST could really increase player base in my opinion if there was total damage PvP

[Feign]

PVP in PSU will be broken. Why?

Ever looked at any Acrofighter's stats? Yeah, you're not going to be hitting them. Ever.

[gratefulgriz]

well i am sure you could make balances to allow for PvP;

[Eligaz]

Oh, this again! Well, I'd still love some kind of PvP arena where you could jump in and have a blast. It'd also bring some end game content. Heck, at this point I wouldn't even care about balance, I just want it. Badly.

PSU has, in my opinion, one hell of a fun and interesting battle system. It's not just your average point-and-click pvp you usually see in online games. No PvP in PSU is..such a waste of potential.

Even if you've got absolutely no interest in PvP there's nothing forcing you to participate as long as it's not enforced through open PK or something like that. And I don't care if Sega's previous attempts have been full of failure. I want it anyway.

[gratefulgriz]

well, im confused, most people who have posted seem to mention a desire for PvP but the poll is leaning towards player vs player as an unnecessary component to PSu; i think it would keep older players around and add an element of spontaneity to the game

[Feign]

I agree. It should be in so people at least have the option. I forsee a LOT of Acro class PVPers though, once everyone gets tired of being Block->Just Countered to death. It'll switch from casual PVP to ARGH LEAVE ME BE PvP.

[AlMcFly]

On 2008-05-06 10:50, Eligaz wrote:
Even if you've got absolutely no interest in PvP there's nothing forcing you to participate as long as it's not enforced through open PK or something like that. And I don't care if Sega's previous attempts have been full of failure. I want it anyway.


It would be impossible to have unwanted PKing in PSU. You have to start a mission in order to even attack anything. Everyone that gets PK'ed will have joined the room specifically for the PvP aspect. Where would they get PK'ed without their wish? The lobbies? Lol. ;P

[ashley50]

my my...
NOT THIS BS AGAIN!!!

also tell him there is no PvP so he can GTFO for good http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif


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[F-Gattaca]

Actually, there is one kind of PVP I'd like to see.

Blackjack and Poker at Casino Voloyal.

[Kerry157]

If they made PSU Texas Hold Em' it would probably result in the cease of my contact with the outside world.

[gratefulgriz]

Ashely if you don't like this post then fuck off. I think PvP would be a real winner for a floundering PS community. Your post was useless to this topic. I wish there was PvP so I could stomp your ugly face into the ground...PS I am a CAST and would love to smash your parts to little bits...

[ashley50]

ohhh im so scared X3

Tell your friend to play PSO again so he can PvP as much as he wants http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

afterall its always PSO>PSU most of the time anyways.

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[Alizarin]

This:

On 2008-05-06 11:41, F-Gattaca wrote:
Actually, there is one kind of PVP I'd like to see.
Blackjack and Poker at Casino Voloyal.

and this:

On 2008-05-06 11:46, Kerry157 wrote:
If they made PSU Texas Hold Em' it would probably result in the cease of my contact with the outside world.


Yes please. There are empty card tables that need some attention.

[Syl]

I'm sorry but PvP really brings a bad mindset to players. Sure it can make for great fun among friends, but soon enough everyone will be all pissy and moody and PvP will be the ultimate deciding factor for any type of discussion. Even without PvP we already have people saying "IF WE HAD PVP, ID KICK UR ASS!!!1!!11one"

I've seen it on WoW, I don't want that here. The leaderboards, even though it's only a small form of competition, already has drama surrounding it.

If all your friend wants is PvP, he shouldn't be playing PSU. Sad, but it's the truth.

[AlMcFly]

On 2008-05-06 12:04, gratefulgriz wrote:
Ashely if you don't like this post then fuck off. I think PvP would be a real winner for a floundering PS community. Your post was useless to this topic. I wish there was PvP so I could stomp your ugly face into the ground...PS I am a CAST and would love to smash your parts to little bits...


Oof!?! Lol, deep seeded rage at the flick of a light switch! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[gratefulgriz]

sylvia, good response! thanks! thats certainly one reason NOT to have PvP...but it would be mission based like someone else stated, so you would willingly no when and where a PvP occurence would take place. it would be nice to compare stats and damage once we all hit 130 amongst ourselves...WoW did kind of ruin it though

[gratefulgriz]

Ashley,what the hell are you talking about? Did your CAST mechanisms malfunction? My friend wants to start playing PSU as a beginner with NO Phantasy Star experience. He hasn't touched a ST product in his life! I am trying to help him join our community, its cuntastic CASTS like you that keep people from joining...

[xJakkalx]

Blackjack and Poker! What a great idea! I had hopes of their presence since I heard of the casino making it's appearence.

Also, if we were constantly able to race one-another, rather than only during events, that would certainly relieve the grind of everyday PSU-ing.

At least what would be my daily grind, could I log on.

[AlMcFly]

On 2008-05-06 12:11, gratefulgriz wrote:
it would be nice to compare stats and damage once we all hit 130 amongst ourselves...WoW did kind of ruin it though


Ummm...difference here being that everyone will have the same stats. There is no way currently to increase individual stats except with job levels and armor. Assume two casts with equal armor at equal job levels will have the exact same stats. (Time to bring Power Materials back!) ;P

[Alizarin]

On 2008-05-06 12:09, SylviaEspada wrote:
Even without PvP we already have people saying "IF WE HAD PVP, ID KICK UR ASS!!!1!!11one"



On 2008-05-06 12:04, gratefulgriz wrote:
I wish there was PvP so I could stomp your ugly face into the ground...PS I am a CAST and would love to smash your parts to little bits...


Huh. There you have it. In any case, if there was a significant demand for PVP it would've already been implemented. The "Versus" aspect that people were thinking would've been PVP in regards to the Dengeki event ended up being a simple collection competition, or airboard racing.

Looking at the kind of competition and attitudes people are already sporting in an indirect competition such as the leaderboards we have now, even if PVP was kept separate you'll have the attitudes flowing outside of it.

[gratefulgriz]

black jack and poker as well as racing! good! but character comparisons through damage mode as they could versus each other would also be a worthy edition, imo

[AlMcFly]

Lol, even the individual competition between players on a FORUM board get out of hand. There will be negativity wherever you turn no matter what you do.

[Anduril]

At this point in the game the only way they could make a balanced PvP is if they just gave us character slots exclusively for PvP. But that's just my opinion.

[gratefulgriz]

your right McFly. i did mean that though, and it would bring more necessity for better items, rares, armor, weapons to combat on via PvP on the battlefield...obviously its never going to be implemented, because like someone said it certainly would have been here originally...but the grind of PSU, in my opinion, could certainly benefit from the player vs player aspect...for example, what a great excuse to take Ashley and my argument off the forums and into the game>?!! plus other older players might stick around and duel with friends, loosing people from the community due to boredom and lack of excitement over events really bums me out

[xJakkalx]

Honestly, it'd be nice to see some real PvP, but you know it'd be broken, unless they set rules on it.

Stat balancing, class changing, standard equipment, they'd have to bring it back to basics to reach any sort of fair contest, and I'd much rather prefer a ruled match. I prefer the fun of sparring with a friend or battling a rival in terms of skill rather than who has the best equipment and better fitted class.

Although, were they to implement simple, unchanged PvP, I don't think it'd be too much of a mess. I had some fun experiences with friends and strangers in good ol' PSO PvP.

S'pose this is a bit different, though.

[GaNksTa]

I enjoy PvP A LOT, but I just don't see it happening in PSU..

[ashley50]

If I want PvP I'll play a game thats made for PvP...
and PSU is not it. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[SonicTMP]

Why does everyone want pvp in mmorpgs? It ALWAYS screws up class and skill balance. Not to mention it's more of a e-peen content of who has better gear or is a high level.

If you want pvp then play a game MADE for it. Racing games, fighting games, sports, FPS. Games where it actually takes real skill and pratice to win.

[xJakkalx]

A man can dream, can't he?

EDIT: It seems like there are a few members of this board who are extremely apposed to any kind of competition at all. Why must we react so violently to a simple musing?


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[F-Gattaca]

On 2008-05-06 12:29, SonicTMP wrote:
Why does everyone want pvp in mmorpgs? It ALWAYS screws up class and skill balance. Not to mention it's more of a e-peen content of who has better gear or is a high level.

If you want pvp then play a game MADE for it. Racing games, fighting games, sports, FPS. Games where it actually takes real skill and pratice to win.



It's an old hat thing. More of an ancient hat thing, really. It's been around since the heyday of text-based multi-user dungeons.

[SonicTMP]

On 2008-05-06 12:35, F-Gattaca wrote:

It's an old hat thing. More of an ancient hat thing, really. It's been around since the heyday of text-based multi-user dungeons.



My @ beats your #?

[amtalx]

Whatever.

Challenge Mode > PvP

[AlMcFly]

On 2008-05-06 12:19, gratefulgriz wrote:
...for example, what a great excuse to take Ashley and my argument off the forums and into the game>?!!


I am personally for a more competative aspect to the game. Races, event boards, and the like really excite me much more than killing AI.

The few problems I am most concerned with are:

1. Great majority of population putting all their focus on PvP efficient classes and builds.

2. A lot more shit-talking in lobbies.

3. Increased elitism.

I loved challenge mode a LOT! A HUUUUGE thing I hated about it though was the elitism. I remember in PSO getting into a fight with some so-called legendary veteran of challenge mode. He was a complete elitist, smug, d*ckface, assh*le, prick who was completely rude for no reason. Yet because I got mad at how he was acting, he ordered everyone in his guild (which was huge, I mean hundreds of people) to not help me or talk to me ever. The funny thing is though, everyone LISTENED!!! Now usually I could give a rats ass about who talks to me and whatnot. The problem was, people who had been friends and partying with me for months suddenly were like "ugh, so-and-so said we couldn't party with you and we don't want to cause any problems with the guild". I was like "you fu*king wannabe tools. Why don't you try growing a pair of your own instead of suckling off another's afterbirth."

The point of this story is this. Eventually, it will come to a point that these challenge/competition modes will be where the elite reign. Naturally everyone will want to be elite so all will participate. Then it will evolve into a "your opinion only matters if you have a decent challenge rank". Basically, unless you are ranked among the pillars of the community, your word will mean jack sh*t. Even if you make a perfectly valid, correct, and earth shattering conjecture it won't matter at all.

[xJakkalx]

Challenge mode! Now that brings back some fond memories.

Sort of the opposite of PvP. Work together as a coordinated team, rather than smacking each other around in little spats.

Still, PvP would be fun. And some people seem to think that PvP is all about beating each other and being the best.

Sometimes, it's all about getting to smack your friends around.

[Kamica]

On 2008-05-06 12:41, amtalx wrote:
Whatever.

Challenge Mode > PvP



This.

[xJakkalx]

You, Mr. McFly, touch on an aspect of humanity that I truly loathe with all of my soul and every fiber of my body.

Elitist pricks are a pain in the ass and a stain on existance's ass. However, it's usually just a sign of weakness caused by lack of power and attention in reality.

[SonicTMP]

ooohhh Challenge mode was fun. Actual maze maps with team work and a real sence of time. Even better was the fact that you really had to work together by swaping weapons/armor and giving out mates to each other as needed to keep going.

That would be a nice addon.

[ashley50]

On 2008-05-06 12:47, Kamica wrote:

On 2008-05-06 12:41, amtalx wrote:
Whatever.

Challenge Mode > PvP



This.


better

[furrypaws]

Unless they did some super nerfing, Rangers would be the best, followed by techers. Hunters would be struck down before they even had a chance.

Aha, just imagine a Masterforce with 50 Diga and Radiga.

[AlMcFly]

On 2008-05-06 13:13, furrypaws wrote:
Unless they did some super nerfing, Rangers would be the best, followed by techers. Hunters would be struck down before they even had a chance.

Aha, just imagine a Masterforce with 50 Diga and Radiga.


Lol, it starts... http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_chuck-ball.gif

[F-Gattaca]

On 2008-05-06 12:38, SonicTMP wrote:

On 2008-05-06 12:35, F-Gattaca wrote:

It's an old hat thing. More of an ancient hat thing, really. It's been around since the heyday of text-based multi-user dungeons.



My @ beats your #?



Not quite that--more like Thy Dungeonman in Homestar Runner, just multiplayer. And people can kill eachother.

Relevant links!
http://www.mud.co.uk/richard/hcds.htm (Search for "killer")

http://www.thenoobcomic.com/index.php?pos=199 <- PVP in the old days! Second panel from bottom, with all the text.

[DreXxiN]

On 2008-05-06 12:45, McFlyVII wrote:

On 2008-05-06 12:19, gratefulgriz wrote:
...for example, what a great excuse to take Ashley and my argument off the forums and into the game>?!!


I am personally for a more competative aspect to the game. Races, event boards, and the like really excite me much more than killing AI.

The few problems I am most concerned with are:

1. Great majority of population putting all their focus on PvP efficient classes and builds.

2. A lot more shit-talking in lobbies.

3. Increased elitism.

I loved challenge mode a LOT! A HUUUUGE thing I hated about it though was the elitism. I remember in PSO getting into a fight with some so-called legendary veteran of challenge mode. He was a complete elitist, smug, d*ckface, assh*le, prick who was completely rude for no reason. Yet because I got mad at how he was acting, he ordered everyone in his guild (which was huge, I mean hundreds of people) to not help me or talk to me ever. The funny thing is though, everyone LISTENED!!! Now usually I could give a rats ass about who talks to me and whatnot. The problem was, people who had been friends and partying with me for months suddenly were like "ugh, so-and-so said we couldn't party with you and we don't want to cause any problems with the guild". I was like "you fu*king wannabe tools. Why don't you try growing a pair of your own instead of suckling off another's afterbirth."

The point of this story is this. Eventually, it will come to a point that these challenge/competition modes will be where the elite reign. Naturally everyone will want to be elite so all will participate. Then it will evolve into a "your opinion only matters if you have a decent challenge rank". Basically, unless you are ranked among the pillars of the community, your word will mean jack sh*t. Even if you make a perfectly valid, correct, and earth shattering conjecture it won't matter at all.



Lol, interesting. Sounds an awful lot like real life. xP

[Kylie]

I don't care either way, so I voted unnecessary.

[furrypaws]

"You have been struck by a twig for 15408365 damage."

XD

[Eligaz]

On 2008-05-06 11:00, McFlyVII wrote:

On 2008-05-06 10:50, Eligaz wrote:
Even if you've got absolutely no interest in PvP there's nothing forcing you to participate as long as it's not enforced through open PK or something like that. And I don't care if Sega's previous attempts have been full of failure. I want it anyway.


It would be impossible to have unwanted PKing in PSU. You have to start a mission in order to even attack anything. Everyone that gets PK'ed will have joined the room specifically for the PvP aspect. Where would they get PK'ed without their wish? The lobbies? Lol. ;P



Yup, unwanted PKing is impossible in PSU. I was just throwing it out there as an example. I have to admit though, it'd be awesome to kill those random in-your-face-nanoblasters. Not to mention the people that always show up to ruin any attempts on holding an event. No wonder the GMs in this game keeps a low profile.

Rai-chan wrote:
If I want PvP I'll play a game thats made for PvP...
and PSU is not it.

Nope it isn't. And it shouldn't be. No matter how much I want PvP content I wouldn't want the focus taken away from PvE. I suspect that's a major reason alot of people are..hostile towards any kind of PvP. But hey, surely ST aren't so ignorant they'd mess up the PvE while implementing PvP...oh wai-

Truth be told, I just want to dismantle you, Toaster. I still love you though. <3

[Atomic646]

On 2008-05-06 09:44, X--Hero--X wrote:
I don't know if combat between players will be present in the next event, but I've seen JP players race one another in a video *looks for footage* ahh!

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=NWFutsBjSFM

Ahhh...........!1!1!!!!!!111 we get to ride Air boards YES!!!!!!!! *Jumps out of chair*

[gratefulgriz]

it would be cool, if there was a PvP mode where you could pick random characters too, like be bad guys or creatures, id be a grass assasin

[ashley50]

On 2008-05-06 14:55, Eligaz wrote:

Rai-chan wrote:
If I want PvP I'll play a game thats made for PvP...
and PSU is not it.

Nope it isn't. And it shouldn't be. No matter how much I want PvP content I wouldn't want the focus taken away from PvE. I suspect that's a major reason alot of people are..hostile towards any kind of PvP. But hey, surely ST aren't so ignorant they'd mess up the PvE while implementing PvP...oh wai-

Truth be told, I just want to dismantle you, Toaster. I still love you though. <3


Beast...you're the first on my list

and still...
NO FOR PvP.
*plays Counter-Strike*

[Eligaz]

Counter..strike? Gweeh..<.<

Random creatures and characters in pvp huh? Ohh..I want to be..hmm..I've always wondered how it feels to be in Bruce's pants. Oh..did that come out wrong? Eh..probably not.

[AlMcFly]

On 2008-05-06 14:06, DreXxiN wrote:
Lol, interesting. Sounds an awful lot like real life. xP


Before I make any unnecessary assumptions, are you genuinely making a point that real life is like this or are you suggesting that this is what real life is like and I am unable to handle it?

I only ask because you have a history of smug, under-your-breath insults that annoy the sh*t out of me. If it IS meant as an insult, stop being a p*ssy and tell me how you really think about me instead of cowardly implying without directly stating so we can get passed this and get on to more interesting things. If it isn't meant as an insult then I do agree somewhat but at least some of us are improving our station in life to make our opinions actually matter.

P.S. FYI for anyone who hasn't visited the mid-west USA yet. Everybody there talks exactly the same as the statement made above by Drexxin. You will never know who is telling you the truth or lying to your face. It's a very untrusting place ;P.

Edit: Grammar...


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[Ryosuke_Kura]

I personally want PvP in PSU, but they can't do that with the current battle system.
It would be a joke to even try to create PvP from it.

As of now I'm going to vote that PvP is unnecessary.
Maybe things could change in the future, but the chances are very, very slim.

[Ken_Silver]

Consider me late to the party, but I thought that the Denkegi JP event has PvP. Did it end horribly? If it did, then that goes to show you that it might not be possible in general.