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Sekani
May 10, 2008, 01:13 PM
That is all.

Rust
May 10, 2008, 01:14 PM
Ok.

Nani-chan
May 10, 2008, 01:16 PM
Yay, now let the acquisition of paradi cataracts begin?



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PALRAPPYS
May 10, 2008, 01:17 PM
He kinda failed. Was his music supposed to be epic?

Well, 60 achievement points work for me. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

Cybuster
May 10, 2008, 01:17 PM
Dark Falz is really easy

DreXxiN
May 10, 2008, 01:19 PM
I am 65'd and was just watching Seo do this with a meteocre party and it was a joke...I guess the half HP has something to do with it.

Zorafim
May 10, 2008, 01:24 PM
What, no treasure chest opener?

Kanore
May 10, 2008, 01:34 PM
Total let down.

See you guys when they re-release PSU.

Gigorman
May 10, 2008, 01:36 PM
Pathetic.

nooblet
May 10, 2008, 01:36 PM
On 2008-05-10 11:34, Kanore wrote:
Total let down.

See you guys when they re-release PSU.



ya was a total letdown. was expecting more than a reskin.

Kinako78
May 10, 2008, 01:38 PM
On 2008-05-10 11:34, Kanore wrote:
Total let down.

See you guys when they re-release PSU.



Wait...what?

Dark Emerald EXE
May 10, 2008, 01:38 PM
Even on S is really easy....all he did was make rocks fall then when he got to the edge of the boat we killed him..............It was a fast as Awoken Serpent B or C....oh well ..........

The "REAL" (by real i mean th one from PSO) Dark Falzz wouldnt have died that easy http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

JAFO22000
May 10, 2008, 01:41 PM
On 2008-05-10 11:36, nooblet wrote:

On 2008-05-10 11:34, Kanore wrote:
Total let down.

See you guys when they re-release PSU.



ya was a total letdown. was expecting more than a reskin.



Really? Why did you think it would be any different than before?

Kylie
May 10, 2008, 01:41 PM
On 2008-05-10 11:36, nooblet wrote:

On 2008-05-10 11:34, Kanore wrote:
Total let down.

See you guys when they re-release PSU.



ya was a total letdown. was expecting more than a reskin.


Really? I knew like months ago that it was a reskin. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif Anyway, I'm not expecting much (haven't played it yet), but at least there are a lot of goodies in his boss boxes.

LuigiMario
May 10, 2008, 01:41 PM
De Rol Le is more of a challenge.

Proto07
May 10, 2008, 01:42 PM
On 2008-05-10 11:38, Charger89 wrote:
Even on S is really easy....all he did was make rocks fall then when he got to the edge of the boat we killed him..............It was a fast as Awoken Serpent B or C....oh well ..........

The "REAL" (by real i mean th one from PSO) Dark Falzz wouldnt have died that easy http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Half HP.

EspioKaos
May 10, 2008, 01:44 PM
On 2008-05-10 11:41, Kylie wrote:
Anyway, I'm not expecting much (haven't played it yet), but at least there are a lot of goodies in his boss boxes.
[B] Tesbra, please!

Hopefully I'll have a chance to play some tonight. In the meantime, I've got a yard to cut. <_<

Randomness
May 10, 2008, 01:47 PM
On 2008-05-10 11:42, Proto07 wrote:

On 2008-05-10 11:38, Charger89 wrote:
Even on S is really easy....all he did was make rocks fall then when he got to the edge of the boat we killed him..............It was a fast as Awoken Serpent B or C....oh well ..........

The "REAL" (by real i mean th one from PSO) Dark Falzz wouldnt have died that easy http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Half HP.



Somehow I doubt that even giving it double HP would let it measure up to the madness of Falz in PSO on the higher difficulties.

CelestialBlade
May 10, 2008, 01:47 PM
On 2008-05-10 11:44, EspioKaos wrote:

On 2008-05-10 11:41, Kylie wrote:
Anyway, I'm not expecting much (haven't played it yet), but at least there are a lot of goodies in his boss boxes.
[B] Tesbra, please!

Hopefully I'll have a chance to play some tonight. In the meantime, I've got a yard to cut. <_<


A yard infected by D-Cells D:

I'm not really sure why anyone's surprised here, we knew it was a reskin long ago and we know everything is affected by half-HP. Least the music is cool.

BigshowPat
May 10, 2008, 01:50 PM
I remember back in the day when I first fought Dark Falz on Ultimate. I don't even remember how long it took me to defeat him. That is probably one of the greatest boss battles I have ever fought. What was even better was when I actually beat him!

Even though he is a reskin in PSU I still can't wait to battle him!

Nani-chan
May 10, 2008, 01:51 PM
Well for all the people saying it's to easy will it get harder when it changes from Program DF to Program DF' after the event?

Kanore
May 10, 2008, 01:53 PM
On 2008-05-10 11:51, Nani-chan wrote:
Well for all the people saying it's to easy will it get harder when it changes from Program DF to Program DF' after the event?



Considering that A will be the highest rank, haha probably not.

Proto07
May 10, 2008, 01:53 PM
On 2008-05-10 11:47, Randomness wrote:

On 2008-05-10 11:42, Proto07 wrote:

On 2008-05-10 11:38, Charger89 wrote:
Even on S is really easy....all he did was make rocks fall then when he got to the edge of the boat we killed him..............It was a fast as Awoken Serpent B or C....oh well ..........

The "REAL" (by real i mean th one from PSO) Dark Falzz wouldnt have died that easy http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Half HP.



Somehow I doubt that even giving it double HP would let it measure up to the madness of Falz in PSO on the higher difficulties.

I never played PSO but from what I hear the other bosses in PSU don't measure up either.

Kanore
May 10, 2008, 01:55 PM
On 2008-05-10 11:53, Proto07 wrote:

On 2008-05-10 11:47, Randomness wrote:

On 2008-05-10 11:42, Proto07 wrote:

On 2008-05-10 11:38, Charger89 wrote:
Even on S is really easy....all he did was make rocks fall then when he got to the edge of the boat we killed him..............It was a fast as Awoken Serpent B or C....oh well ..........

The "REAL" (by real i mean th one from PSO) Dark Falzz wouldnt have died that easy http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Half HP.



Somehow I doubt that even giving it double HP would let it measure up to the madness of Falz in PSO on the higher difficulties.

I never played PSO but from what I hear the other bosses in PSU don't measure up either.



They don't. PSU Falz is the quintessence of how much PSU bosses fail.

It's over.

Amalga
May 10, 2008, 01:55 PM
100,000,000 kills and our reward is De Rol Le's retarded second-cousin.

BigshowPat
May 10, 2008, 02:02 PM
As long as I can get my bow I don't care how bad the reskin is!

Kinako78
May 10, 2008, 02:04 PM
*perks up at the mention of the word "bow"* What bow?!

BigshowPat
May 10, 2008, 02:08 PM
Supposedly the 11* bow drops from Dark Falz. Don't know if it has been confirmed yet but I want my Rikauteri!

Zorafim
May 10, 2008, 02:10 PM
On 2008-05-10 11:55, Amalga wrote:
100,000,000 kills and our reward is De Rol Le's retarded second-cousin.



You misspelled a new SUV.

nooblet
May 10, 2008, 02:12 PM
[/quote]
Really? I knew like months ago that it was a reskin. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif Anyway, I'm not expecting much (haven't played it yet), but at least there are a lot of goodies in his boss boxes.

[/quote]

no didnt know it what it was until today. i thought the figh would be similar to that 1up fight with that dude in the hive or something.

MiniBrian
May 10, 2008, 02:23 PM
On 2008-05-10 12:10, Zorafim wrote:

On 2008-05-10 11:55, Amalga wrote:
100,000,000 kills and our reward is De Rol Le's retarded second-cousin.



You misspelled a new SUV.



lol. both so true :/

Ken_Silver
May 10, 2008, 02:30 PM
On 2008-05-10 11:55, Amalga wrote:
100,000,000 kills and our reward is De Rol Le's retarded second-cousin.



Ouch! The cruelness...

Ah, well. As long as he drops some badges, I don't care how easy or hard he is. I need gold badges and I need them nao. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

shotsfired
May 10, 2008, 02:31 PM
goodies in the boxes my ass. we got 6 note seeds....

second run, rabol cati and an ortaresin...

I have never said this before, but i really miss PSO sometimes. Olga Flow and Falkis were boss battles.....

SonicTMP
May 10, 2008, 02:35 PM
heh, well most of us knew alot of people we're going complain. I'll keep my hopes up for that lobby AFTER seal of the dark god.

Nani-chan
May 10, 2008, 02:43 PM
If S is so easy then get me the following boards for free; [B] 11* Gudda Hon (knuckles), a 11* Rikeauteri (bow), a 11* Cubi Tumo (x-bow), 11* Frauduke (T-mag), 11* Tesbra, 11* Bullet Dance now while they are so easy to get. ( They all drop now for a limited time on DF S)

Can't please everyone, but wish people could just stop Baawing and go have fun getting prizes while they are easy to get. /sigh




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AlphaDragoon
May 10, 2008, 02:45 PM
On 2008-05-10 12:31, shotsfired wrote:
I have never said this before, but i really miss PSO sometimes. Olga Flow and Falkis were boss battles.....

...LOL?

Ness0123456
May 10, 2008, 02:46 PM
On 2008-05-10 11:38, Charger89 wrote:
Even on S is really easy....all he did was make rocks fall then when he got to the edge of the boat we killed him..............It was a fast as Awoken Serpent B or C....oh well ..........

The "REAL" (by real i mean th one from PSO) Dark Falzz wouldnt have died that easy http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif



Three things:

One: The REAL Dark Falz/Force would be the one from the original Phantasy Star games, not the spawn from PSO. And the originals could easily destroy the Falz from PSO.

Two: Remember that Dark Rol Falz not only has half his normal HP, but he's also lacking his second form, which will probably pop up either in Seal of the Dark God S2, or a co-op mission ala True Darkness. (Don't get excited, his second form is just a Dulk Fakis Form 2 reskin.)

Three: All of PSU's difficulty was removed with the Ambitions of the Illuminus. Before AotI, bosses like Dulk Fakis and Magas Magahnna were very difficult and time consuming boss fights. But with the stupidly huge boost in ATP and the Just Attack system, the challenge of PSU is long gone.

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Lloyd_Waver
May 10, 2008, 02:47 PM
The boss itself sure is a letdown. Sega being lazy as always. At least they could give him a little more HP so we can see all his moves.
I guess the rewards for 100mil are the rewards for defeating it, and not the fun of killing the boss.

Neith
May 10, 2008, 02:51 PM
Knew it was a reskin, and I counted all of what, 1 new move?

It's nice we have a boss (more EXP, and some nice drops), but man, you'd think ST could have at least tried to be original. Oh wait, no, nevermind.

Edit: What I will say though is that Olga Flow/Falz in PSO weren't hard either, so I guess I couldn't expect much.


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Finalzone
May 10, 2008, 02:57 PM
Oooh, look at that. Complaining about reskin. Guys, isn't it time to move on?
As for the Dark Falz, according to Dr Tomrain, it is only a simulation based from the decrypted data which is the actual data is incomplete.

Dragwind
May 10, 2008, 03:02 PM
Its better than not getting anything.

Mikura
May 10, 2008, 03:02 PM
I thought most of us knew what Falz was going to be like months ago. Not sure what people were expecting, but I'm not disappointed. He's exactly like I knew he would be; a reskin, and easy.

Sekani
May 10, 2008, 03:08 PM
The reskin was no surprise.

Him dying in about 45 seconds on S? That was unimaginable fail.

pikachief
May 10, 2008, 03:28 PM
On 2008-05-10 13:08, Sekani wrote:
The reskin was no surprise.

Him dying in about 45 seconds on S? That was unimaginable fail.



mine was like 10, he didnt even get to move for us XD

Nani-chan
May 10, 2008, 03:43 PM
forgot to add 11* Bulletdance board to my list above, added it now.

Lighthero
May 10, 2008, 03:48 PM
He died too fast...He's just BAM AND WHAM AND DEAD. I atleast expected it survive a bit longer and not get raped and die in 5 seconds. The rest, I already knew. But his Hp/defense is just....TOO LOW.


If S is so easy then get me the following boards for free; [B] 11* Gudda Hon (knuckles), a 11* Rikeauteri (bow), a 11* Cubi Tumo (x-bow), 11* Frauduke (T-mag), 11* Tesbra now while they are so easy to get. ( They all drop now for a limited time on DF S)

Can't please everyone, but wish people could just stop Baawing and go have fun getting prizes while they are easy to get. /sigh

We're not saying it's easy to get. We're just saying that the whole MAG mission is too easy. Have fun? I already feel like a zombie while I only have 40k kills (98% S runs) together with both my characters. But I still enjoy it. Getting prizes? uhmmm...I haven't got anything worth more than durandals and 4 Legless/rainbow. Don't even think about it that I'm having fun getting prizes.

zandra117
May 10, 2008, 03:56 PM
On 2008-05-10 12:31, shotsfired wrote:
goodies in the boxes my ass. we got 6 note seeds....

second run, rabol cati and an ortaresin...

I have never said this before, but i really miss PSO sometimes. Olga Flow and PSO's Dark Falz were boss battles.....


Fixed

zandra117
May 10, 2008, 04:04 PM
On 2008-05-10 12:46, Ness0123456 wrote:

On 2008-05-10 11:38, Charger89 wrote:
Even on S is really easy....all he did was make rocks fall then when he got to the edge of the boat we killed him..............It was a fast as Awoken Serpent B or C....oh well ..........

The "REAL" (by real i mean th one from PSO) Dark Falzz wouldnt have died that easy http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif



Three things:

One: The REAL Dark Falz/Force would be the one from the original Phantasy Star games, not the spawn from PSO. And the originals could easily destroy the Falz from PSO.

Two: Remember that Dark Rol Falz not only has half his normal HP, but he's also lacking his second form, which will probably pop up either in Seal of the Dark God S2, or a co-op mission ala True Darkness. (Don't get excited, his second form is just a Dulk Fakis Form 2 reskin.)

Three: All of PSU's difficulty was removed with the Ambitions of the Illuminus. Before AotI, bosses like Dulk Fakis and Magas Magahnna were very difficult and time consuming boss fights. But with the stupidly huge boost in ATP and the Just Attack system, the challenge of PSU is long gone.

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That is just an unproved rumor about the second form, Falz still has no second form on the JP server, we have no idea what it looks like or even if there even is a second form. Although Dark Falz appears at least 3 times in the game data suggesting that there are 3 forms. There will probably be a second dark falz boss match that has 2 forms but is completely different than De Rol Falz.

darkante
May 10, 2008, 04:06 PM
On 2008-05-10 13:28, pikachief wrote:

On 2008-05-10 13:08, Sekani wrote:
The reskin was no surprise.

Him dying in about 45 seconds on S? That was unimaginable fail.



mine was like 10, he didnt even get to move for us XD


My party dusted him in 20 sec.
Thatīs way to long! OMG! D:

Seriously, this boss have like no hp. >.>

-Tidus_415-
May 10, 2008, 04:21 PM
On 2008-05-10 14:04, zandra117 wrote:
we have no idea what it looks like or even if there even is a second form.


lolwut? havent you seen the JP hacked pic.

Randomness
May 10, 2008, 04:34 PM
The second form for Falz exists in the data, it'll probably be used at the end of episode 3 story, if nothing else.

From the sound of it, the release of Program DF is basically just an extra set of end boxes...

EspioKaos
May 10, 2008, 04:35 PM
http://moemi.mithra.to/~psu/uploader/src/psu14583.jpg


On 2008-05-10 11:47, Typheros wrote:
A yard infected by D-Cells D:

Guess that explains the Darvants and Del Lilies that pop up each spring. O:

DraginHikari
May 10, 2008, 04:41 PM
I knew it was going to turn into complaining... called it XD

Yungsub
May 10, 2008, 04:41 PM
Sega is lazy I want the real Dark Falz the one that uses grants on everyone and megids this reskin of De Rol Le serves no challenge! this is just getting easy..

Syl
May 10, 2008, 04:48 PM
On 2008-05-10 14:41, Yungsub wrote:
Sega is lazy I want the real Dark Falz the one that uses grants on everyone and megids this reskin of De Rol Le serves no challenge! this is just getting easy..


Then go play PSO? Problem solved http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_eek.gif

Even if Sega gave us the "real" Dark Falz, I'm pretty sure even then people would complain how it sucks and blah blah.

Jakosifer
May 10, 2008, 04:53 PM
Heh, the "Real" Dark Falz would end up just being a reskin of Fakis' final form anyway, so people who are asking for the real one really should just run along on back to PSO.

I don't mind him being a reskin, I came to peace with that months ago. >_> I just want the drops.

Ness0123456
May 10, 2008, 04:56 PM
On 2008-05-10 14:04, zandra117 wrote:

On 2008-05-10 12:46, Ness0123456 wrote:

On 2008-05-10 11:38, Charger89 wrote:
Even on S is really easy....all he did was make rocks fall then when he got to the edge of the boat we killed him..............It was a fast as Awoken Serpent B or C....oh well ..........

The "REAL" (by real i mean th one from PSO) Dark Falzz wouldnt have died that easy http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif



Three things:

One: The REAL Dark Falz/Force would be the one from the original Phantasy Star games, not the spawn from PSO. And the originals could easily destroy the Falz from PSO.

Two: Remember that Dark Rol Falz not only has half his normal HP, but he's also lacking his second form, which will probably pop up either in Seal of the Dark God S2, or a co-op mission ala True Darkness. (Don't get excited, his second form is just a Dulk Fakis Form 2 reskin.)

Three: All of PSU's difficulty was removed with the Ambitions of the Illuminus. Before AotI, bosses like Dulk Fakis and Magas Magahnna were very difficult and time consuming boss fights. But with the stupidly huge boost in ATP and the Just Attack system, the challenge of PSU is long gone.

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That is just an unproved rumor about the second form, Falz still has no second form on the JP server, we have no idea what it looks like or even if there even is a second form. Although Dark Falz appears at least 3 times in the game data suggesting that there are 3 forms. There will probably be a second dark falz boss match that has 2 forms but is completely different than De Rol Falz.


People have hacked the PS2 version of the game, and have fought Falz' second form. It's a Dulk Fakis reskin, and a bad one at that. The only major difference was that his tail and claws look different. The third form thing is the only thing we can clarify as a true-blue rumor.

But remember something about PSU: The game is made for a PS2 that DOES NOT support a hard disk drive. That means that any new content they add has to be a reskin, redesign, or something still not unlocked on the disk. Because of the limitations of the PS2 without a hard drive, they can't add brand spanking new content ala FFXI or WoW.

And because most of the data is locked on the disk, one can hack into it and see stuff that hasn't been added yet (Falz' second form, the S3 and beyond icons, the Master Classes, etc).

We can dispute if Falz has a third form or not, but there are screenshots of Falz second form, and it's nothing more than a Fakis reskin.

*EDIT*

Didn't see someone posted the picture, now I feel silly. I really must read the entire topic before I post. Anyways, there's your evidence there's a second Falz form. Hell, at the end of the Dark Rol Falz fight, you can see the portal that leads up to a Unification Point, similar to Fakis.



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EspioKaos
May 10, 2008, 04:57 PM
On 2008-05-10 14:56, Ness0123456 wrote:
We can dispute if Falz has a third form or not, but there are screenshots of Falz second form, and it's nothing more than a Fakis reskin. It was on the PSU offical message boards a few months ago, and if you ask around, I'm sure someone will be able to dig out the link for you.

Just a few posts up (http://www.pso-world.com/viewtopic.php?topic=175482&forum=20&start=45&60#52). http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif

Sekani
May 10, 2008, 05:15 PM
On 2008-05-10 14:35, EspioKaos wrote:
http://moemi.mithra.to/~psu/uploader/src/psu14583.jpg


Any chance someone can rehost this picture? Their server is not cooperating with me today.

EspioKaos
May 10, 2008, 05:17 PM
On 2008-05-10 15:15, Sekani wrote:

On 2008-05-10 14:35, EspioKaos wrote:
http://moemi.mithra.to/~psu/uploader/src/psu14583.jpg


Any chance someone can rehost this picture? Their server is not cooperating with me today.


Here you go. (http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t265/EspioKaos/psu14583.jpg)

Sekani
May 10, 2008, 06:01 PM
Thanks, Espio!

SpaZ-
May 10, 2008, 07:52 PM
Nice! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_beer.gif

Noblewine
May 10, 2008, 08:07 PM
It's not entirely bad. Though at little bit of a challenge would be nice. =/

AlphaDragoon
May 10, 2008, 09:03 PM
The second form looks like...Dulk Fakis. XD

That one is especially funny as they look almost identical, DRL Falz at least has completely different features. Funny thing is, I thought Sega was gonna be lazy but the other way around, by using the exact old PSO bosses in some area. Instead they did more work to reskin the new PSU ones.

Trey
May 10, 2008, 09:09 PM
FAILURE TO ITS MAXIMUM ATTACK G!!!!!

SonicTMP
May 10, 2008, 09:24 PM
On 2008-05-10 19:03, AlphaDragoon wrote:
Funny thing is, I thought Sega was gonna be lazy but the other way around, by using the exact old PSO bosses in some area.

What's sad is that the PSO bosses posed more of a threat than what we have currently. Lazy? yes. Better? Also yes.

GuardianElite
May 10, 2008, 09:26 PM
On 2008-05-10 19:24, SonicTMP wrote:

On 2008-05-10 19:03, AlphaDragoon wrote:
Funny thing is, I thought Sega was gonna be lazy but the other way around, by using the exact old PSO bosses in some area.

What's sad is that the PSO bosses posed more of a threat than what we have currently. Lazy? yes. Better? Also yes.


If it was the opposite you be bitchin how tough it is..either way http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif

SonicTMP
May 10, 2008, 09:42 PM
On 2008-05-10 19:26, GuardianElite wrote:

On 2008-05-10 19:24, SonicTMP wrote:

On 2008-05-10 19:03, AlphaDragoon wrote:
Funny thing is, I thought Sega was gonna be lazy but the other way around, by using the exact old PSO bosses in some area.

What's sad is that the PSO bosses posed more of a threat than what we have currently. Lazy? yes. Better? Also yes.


If it was the opposite you be bitchin how tough it is..either way http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif



Some people might. Not me. I'd welcome a boss that was a challenge beyond flying 90% of the time or stands in place and dies in less than a minute.

CelestialBlade
May 10, 2008, 09:51 PM
HAY GUYS.

If you want to fight PSO Dark Falz, go play PSO. Private servers are everywhere.

If you want challenging, original bosses, go play games with much higher budgets like FFXI or something.

If you're not going to do either of those, get over it already. Write to Sega if you're that upset >_>;

CeruleanWitch
May 10, 2008, 10:01 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD6PV-JCI-k
Gee, it sure is easy mode around here.

Kanore
May 10, 2008, 10:02 PM
If you want to fight PSO Dark Falz, go play PSO. Private servers are everywhere.

You mean onewhere.

PSO is not RO/WoW/EQ

CelestialBlade
May 10, 2008, 10:23 PM
On 2008-05-10 20:02, Kanore wrote:

If you want to fight PSO Dark Falz, go play PSO. Private servers are everywhere.

You mean onewhere.

PSO is not RO/WoW/EQ


Look a little harder, many exist, especially since the official servers shut down.

Alastor_Haven
May 10, 2008, 10:28 PM
A Great an easy Fight

It was perfect in every way possible

...http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

AweOfShe
May 10, 2008, 10:33 PM
On 2008-05-10 12:51, UrikoBB3 wrote:
Olga Flow/Falz in PSO weren't hard either

Reipard
May 11, 2008, 03:22 AM
HAY GUYS.

If you want to fight PSO Dark Falz, go play PSO. Private servers are everywhere.

If you want challenging, original bosses, go play games with much higher budgets like FFXI or something.

If you're not going to do either of those, get over it already. Write to Sega if you're that upset >_>;

So nobody's allowed to be upset about a lack of effort on Sega's part, eh? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Zorafim
May 11, 2008, 03:38 AM
On 2008-05-10 19:51, Typheros wrote:
HAY GUYS.

If you want to fight PSO Dark Falz, go play PSO. Private servers are everywhere.

If you want challenging, original bosses, go play games with much higher budgets like FFXI or something.

If you're not going to do either of those, get over it already. Write to Sega if you're that upset >_>;




Psst, they already did that. Notice how many people we have on our servers.

darkante
May 11, 2008, 03:51 AM
On 2008-05-10 19:51, Typheros wrote:
HAY GUYS.

If you want to fight PSO Dark Falz, go play PSO. Private servers are everywhere.

If you want challenging, original bosses, go play games with much higher budgets like FFXI or something.

If you're not going to do either of those, get over it already. Write to Sega if you're that upset >_>;


I donīt care if ST donīt put their money well. We pay you know for new exciting content regardless as do you? Why do you defend ST poor planning?

Anyway...ST is also just lazy, plain and simple.

xjustsumloser
May 11, 2008, 10:11 AM
Um yea, we have every right to complain. We paid for the game, paid for the expansion, and pay monthly for content. As customers we have every right to complain for piss poor service. Anyone who thinks otherwise needs to stop brown nosing sega so much. Will I continue to pay and play this game? Sure, as I do enjoy it, but I am getting really tired of sega's half assed attempt at "new content".

RemiusTA
May 11, 2008, 10:32 AM
But you guys are complaining for nothing.

Did you REALLY expect them to program an ENTIRELY new fucking boss just for a one month event? Final Fantasy XI wouldnt have done that either. they would have rehashed another boss with a different model perhaps, or a reskin just like this one. Only difference is, its extremely hard for you to tell on a game like that, since its turn-based.

You people need to stop the fucking bitching. You KNEW he wasnt going to be his PSO form, just like you KNEW MAG wouldnt have included all the PSO rooms and variations of the different stage blocks.

This wasnt "new content", it was to shut the "PSOOO BAWWWWWWWWWW"ers up. the Lightning carnival has the "new content" your looking for.

Shut the hell up already. I can see if you were complaing about something wasnt so retarded, such as the 065 errors. But even if they DID put the exact same PSO Falz in the game, you KNOW you people would still bitch about things they "didnt do right", or that he was "wayyyy too easy".

God, grow up.


Edit: And who the hell is talking about "PSO BOSSES WERE HARDER?" Oh, okay, the PSO falz / Olga flow lasted 10 seconds longer. DAMN that sucks.

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Neith
May 11, 2008, 10:36 AM
On 2008-05-11 08:32, RemiusTA wrote:
But you guys are complaining for nothing.

Did you REALLY expect them to program an ENTIRELY new fucking boss just for a one month event?



See 'Seal of the Dark God'. Falz appears as the boss there too. We don't have it yet, but it's a normal mission which we'll likely get just after MAG.

The way I'm looking at this is that the Falz we have access to now is like a larval one. We already know Falz has multiple forms in PSU, one of which we know is a Fakis reskin. I can't remember if the game data had Falz listed as 2 forms or 3, but maybe an unreleased form will have some decent party tricks, rather than just being an almost-identical reskin of another boss with 99% of the same moves.

Edit: On the flipside, all the PSO fanatics saying PSO Falz was harder need to go play the game again. Falz was a total joke in PSO, as was every other boss, just the same as PSU. The best Falz could do was multihit with Rafoie or freeze->Dervant mine combo you, but if you had any sense you would've packed a Cure/Freeze anyway, and have Dimates on pallette.

PSU =/= PSO, a lot of you need to remember that. As annoying as the laziness ST have shown with PSU's Falz is, you gotta remember that every other boss is reskinned anyway, so you can't expect much else.

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AlphaDragoon
May 11, 2008, 11:14 AM
On 2008-05-10 19:24, SonicTMP wrote:
What's sad is that the PSO bosses posed more of a threat than what we have currently. Lazy? yes. Better? Also yes.

Now, I dunno about that. If we had to fight the PSO bosses but with half HP they'd get smoked in little under 20 seconds.

But again, it is kinda funny that they'd opt to reskin, as I would think just pulling out the exact old PSO bosses would be easier. But maybe PSU code is different so it would be too much hassle for an event, I dunno.

I would like them to start trying a bit harder in certain aspects, but all in all I'm still happy with PSU as a whole. Going back to PSO's battle system and bland customization now would feel archaic. (Although I'd have my untekked Lavis Cannon back.)

McLaughlin
May 11, 2008, 11:20 AM
On 2008-05-10 19:24, SonicTMP wrote:

On 2008-05-10 19:03, AlphaDragoon wrote:
Funny thing is, I thought Sega was gonna be lazy but the other way around, by using the exact old PSO bosses in some area.

What's sad is that the PSO bosses posed more of a threat than what we have currently. Lazy? yes. Better? Also yes.



Maybe if you were in Ultimate mode at level 60 trying to kill Vol Opt, but otherwise, they were NEVER difficult.

HolyOrderSaek
May 11, 2008, 12:30 PM
That was really disappointing, it was even easier than De Rol Le, but then again, I haven't had a chance to fight DRL in about 30 levels since all I've done is White Beast and MAG.

I never fought the PSO Dark Force/Falz, but compared to the ones in previous games, even PS4, it was pretty much lamesauce and fail.

*edit*

I guess my main point is, I grew up with the fact that Dark Force/Falz was an entity to be feared. This Dark Falz isn't fearsome at all.

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electrobee
May 11, 2008, 09:23 PM
I was expecting something much better...
I don't even get reskins. It's basically like fighting the same thing

SonicTMP
May 11, 2008, 09:29 PM
On 2008-05-11 19:23, electrobee wrote:
I was expecting something much better...
I don't even get reskins. It's basically like fighting the same thing


Pretty much? No you ARE fighting the same thing. we have like 4 base bosses and then 2-3 reskins of each.

Ness0123456
May 11, 2008, 09:46 PM
On 2008-05-11 08:36, UrikoBB3 wrote:

On 2008-05-11 08:32, RemiusTA wrote:
But you guys are complaining for nothing.

Did you REALLY expect them to program an ENTIRELY new fucking boss just for a one month event?



See 'Seal of the Dark God'. Falz appears as the boss there too. We don't have it yet, but it's a normal mission which we'll likely get just after MAG.

The way I'm looking at this is that the Falz we have access to now is like a larval one. We already know Falz has multiple forms in PSU, one of which we know is a Fakis reskin. I can't remember if the game data had Falz listed as 2 forms or 3, but maybe an unreleased form will have some decent party tricks, rather than just being an almost-identical reskin of another boss with 99% of the same moves.

Edit: On the flipside, all the PSO fanatics saying PSO Falz was harder need to go play the game again. Falz was a total joke in PSO, as was every other boss, just the same as PSU. The best Falz could do was multihit with Rafoie or freeze->Dervant mine combo you, but if you had any sense you would've packed a Cure/Freeze anyway, and have Dimates on pallette.

PSU =/= PSO, a lot of you need to remember that. As annoying as the laziness ST have shown with PSU's Falz is, you gotta remember that every other boss is reskinned anyway, so you can't expect much else.

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I'm hoping that Dark Falz's third form, if there is indeed one, is going to be a new boss all together.


Seeing as Dark Falz is the intended final boss for Episode 3, it would be pretty damn silly if the final boss is identical to the final boss in Episode 1.


But than again, this IS SEGA we're talking about, so it wouldn't suprise me if they botch up an overall good Episode by NOT doing the above.

lostinseganet
May 11, 2008, 10:10 PM
On 2008-05-10 11:38, Kinako78 wrote:

On 2008-05-10 11:34, Kanore wrote:
Total let down.

See you guys when they re-release PSU.



Wait...what?

It is comming out for the PSP.

gratefulgriz
May 11, 2008, 10:13 PM
I pay, so of course I expect better.

AweOfShe
May 11, 2008, 11:09 PM
Well, I guess it's better than paying and expecting PSO. ;l

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ChaoStrike777
May 12, 2008, 12:33 AM
The majority of the people on the forums suprise me because..........

1. "This boss is just another reskin" So is practically every boss that came with the expansion until this point. (Please correct me if I'm wrong)

2. "Sega Sucks" Well, if you don't like what they are doing then stop paying for their service and find something else to do.

3. "This boss is too easy" Well I personally think that PSU doesn't have any real bosses now, (AoI killed any challange that there ever was.) The closest thing that I saw to a boss was Seed-Magashi, and that's not saying much.

Point being, I am surprised with the people's constant bitching, haven't they grown to expect SEGA's shitacular service?



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SonicTMP
May 12, 2008, 12:37 AM
On 2008-05-11 22:33, ChaoStrike777 wrote:
2. "Sega Sucks" Well, if you don't like what they are doing then stop paying for their service and find something else to do.



This is the main thing right here. People simply leaving doesn't mean they will fix stuff. If you sit there and take it then nothing will ever change.

SpikeOtacon
May 12, 2008, 01:39 AM
After playing PSO and PSU for this long you'd think i'd be used to reskins by now. But i'm not.

Ness0123456
May 12, 2008, 01:38 PM
On 2008-05-11 20:10, lostinseganet wrote:

On 2008-05-10 11:38, Kinako78 wrote:

On 2008-05-10 11:34, Kanore wrote:
Total let down.

See you guys when they re-release PSU.



Wait...what?

It is comming out for the PSP.



It's not a re-release though, at least not in the online sense. It's a Single Player RPG with a 4-player local multi player mode.

Ffuzzy-Logik
May 12, 2008, 03:01 PM
On 2008-05-11 08:36, UrikoBB3 wrote:
The way I'm looking at this is that the Falz we have access to now is like a larval one. We already know Falz has multiple forms in PSU, one of which we know is a Fakis reskin. I can't remember if the game data had Falz listed as 2 forms or 3, but maybe an unreleased form will have some decent party tricks, rather than just being an almost-identical reskin of another boss with 99% of the same moves.
Just to clarify this, Dark Falz is listed in the enemy list three times. That means the De Rol Le reskin, the Dulk Fakis form 2 reskin we've seen from a hacked JP PS2 offline picture, and the possibility of a third form. The third, however, may be garbage data that will never be used, or may perhaps be set aside for future use, should another expansion be released.



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panzer_unit
May 12, 2008, 03:38 PM
On 2008-05-11 19:29, SonicTMP wrote:

On 2008-05-11 19:23, electrobee wrote:
I was expecting something much better...
I don't even get reskins. It's basically like fighting the same thing


Pretty much? No you ARE fighting the same thing. we have like 4 base bosses and then 2-3 reskins of each.


There are better and worse reskins... Alterazoug is a really cool bossfight compared to De Ragnus. Magas is a way better fight than Adenha.

The really lame stuff is Zoalgoug / De Ragan and Dimmagalus / Onmagoug ... well, Dimmo doesn't have Onma's ultra-fatal purple lightning. I guess that's a perk.

SonicTMP
May 12, 2008, 04:36 PM
On 2008-05-12 13:38, panzer_unit wrote:

On 2008-05-11 19:29, SonicTMP wrote:

On 2008-05-11 19:23, electrobee wrote:
I was expecting something much better...
I don't even get reskins. It's basically like fighting the same thing


Pretty much? No you ARE fighting the same thing. we have like 4 base bosses and then 2-3 reskins of each.


There are better and worse reskins... Alterazoug is a really cool bossfight compared to De Ragnus. Magas is a way better fight than Adenha.

The really lame stuff is Zoalgoug / De Ragan and Dimmagalus / Onmagoug ... well, Dimmo doesn't have Onma's ultra-fatal purple lightning. I guess that's a perk.


My point is with PSU. Reskin is 100% the exact same thing. At least with the ice and lighting dragons in pso, they had different attack patterns.

All 4 dragons in PSU do the exact same thing.

DAMASCUS
May 12, 2008, 04:47 PM
From what the 'Proffesor' said, this isn't the real form of Falz anyway. Its just an approximation using some existing data which would include De Rol Le. Yeah, its a convenient excuse to reskin but at least we know that the truer form(s) of Falz/Dark Force are on the way...

Kinako78
May 12, 2008, 05:00 PM
On 2008-05-11 20:10, lostinseganet wrote:

On 2008-05-10 11:38, Kinako78 wrote:

On 2008-05-10 11:34, Kanore wrote:
Total let down.

See you guys when they re-release PSU.



Wait...what?

It is comming out for the PSP.



Oh, that. I wasn't really considering that a re-release of this PSU.

As for the reskins debate, yeah, Dark Falz should have been made a little different. I mean Mother Brain has some new attacks, despite being a reskin of Fakis.

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Rayokarna
May 12, 2008, 07:21 PM
Even with all of the re-skins and stuff, there is loads of stuff(even from V1) that were missing. =/

GuardianElite
May 12, 2008, 07:23 PM
On 2008-05-12 14:47, DAMASCUS wrote:
From what the 'Proffesor' said, this isn't the real form of Falz anyway. Its just an approximation using some existing data which would include De Rol Le. Yeah, its a convenient excuse to reskin but at least we know that the truer form(s) of Falz/Dark Force are on the way...


Realy than explain the boss at the seal of the dark god plz?

VetroDrago
May 12, 2008, 10:13 PM
This form of DF is its most pathetic form. I wasted time doing a C run for this joke? I had heard that it would be a reskin, but a reskin of PSU De Rol Le, a boss from PSO that sucks in PSU? Hahaha! I can't believe I play this game! I can't stop laughing at this. I guess all bosses must be humiliated at some point.

Sinue_v2
May 13, 2008, 03:21 AM
But again, it is kinda funny that they'd opt to reskin, as I would think just pulling out the exact old PSO bosses would be easier. But maybe PSU code is different so it would be too much hassle for an event, I dunno.

They can't really do that. PSU is an entirely new game and they would have to pretty much build Dark Falz from the ground up for PSU. Even the textures would have to be retouched at the very least to provide more detail for the PC/Xbox versions. And since PSU plays differently than PSO, they'd have to modify it's behavior, attack patterns, and AI. Just because DF was challenging in PSO, doesn't mean he'd be challenging in PSU considering how much faster the game plays and the variety of new attacks.

I would have preferred a more unique and interesting Dark Falz as well - or at least a more thorough reskinning. But, then again, I would prefer that for all of the bosses. It just isn't going to happen, because that's not the way Sonic Team designed the game and it probably won't change throughout PSU's life. Hopefully they learn their lesson and give the next PS game series a bigger budget, more competent staff, and more support. I'm pessemistic at this point, but you never know. There is still talent and drive left at Sega, they just need to figure out how to tap it and channel it properly.

Also, I find it a bit ironic and humorous that the epitimal response to complaints about PSU is a very "Love it or Leave it" stance. So people leave the game, and the community is left wondering... er, why is the population so small? Oh... yeah, must be a lack of advertising. We should do it for Sega.

Not that it really matters to me either way. Personally, I still enjoy the game, even if I am quick to point out and highlight it's faults. I would prefer one of two outcomes though. Either Sega try to put some real effort into realizing PSU's potential, or just shut it down and get to work on the next PS game - and get it right this time. Less players means this hopefully happens all the sooner. As it is now though, it's almost, painful to watch them mismanage the game, bungle their service, and styme it's potential. It's a form of franchise abuse.

Dark Emerald EXE
May 13, 2008, 03:27 AM
I'm kinda surprised this hasnt been locked yet.......oh well http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

MDGeist
May 13, 2008, 10:35 AM
All I know is that MAG rules, the fight is at least there and it's different from Alterazgohg. Quit bitching so much.

panzer_unit
May 13, 2008, 11:02 AM
Maggas Maggana is the only really fun bossfight in PSU, I don't see the point of ST putting a whole lot of effort into something their gameplay doesn't support all that well. If anything I'm glad it dies fast, instead of wasting a bunch of time... at least we can get back to the good parts of the event quickly.

Deissa
May 13, 2008, 11:24 AM
Only good part of this event will be on the 23rd

Zorak000
May 13, 2008, 11:31 AM
well, there is only 1 achevement left on 360 to be unlocked, so unless they release a 3rd form w/o attaching an achivement to it (zol goug), I don't think we will see a 3rd form any time soon.


EDIT: if the 3rd form is another de ragen reskin, that would be EpicLOL

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