Why do people go xTecher classes to... not support?

[Kanore]

EDIT: ATTN: Read this entire post before replying. The first 8 pages have enough misinterpretation. The following post IS NOT FORCING YOU TO ADOPT A NEW PLAYSTYLE.

This doesn't cover Fortetecher unless they're the only fT in the group.

Guntecher, Wartecher, and Acrotecher: These are all support classes, especially the last one. They don't have level 10 support techs for a reason; as proven by the future Masterforce, which will concentrate solely on offensive techs and as a result only has a low level of support techs.

Their other skill levels are also low for a reason; you have the Forte-classes if you want to concentrate on melee, guns or teching; and if you like going all offensive without being a Forte class then Fighgunner isn't that bad.

What's annoying is when I see another 'xtecher' in the group and they make absolutely no effort to use Resta, Giresta, or Reverser on anyone else unless they need it.

Same goes with buffs. SDZR goes up on their own time, not for the good of someone else like it's supposed to. Especially for Acrotechers, who are able to cast faster than the other classes, time can be taken to SDZR in the middle of the battle if the group is moving 'too fast' to buff unless you stop. In fact, a high level techer should already know that it's more efficient to keep buffs up while in the middle of the battle instead of spamming a visual emote with accompanying colored text in an exclamation box.

The higher the job level of the inefficient techer, the worse. Don't be an inefficient techer, and take at least a few of these basic tips to consideration:

- If you're not gonna support, don't go a techer class. If you really want to cast spells, go Fortetecher.
- Resta or Giresta are a techer's most important spells. If you don't do anything else, your group will at least still appreciate if you just spam the healing spell. Yes, you're a healbot. You're expected to be one.
- Again, beyond the initial buff, you should not be stopping the group to re-buff. Make it a habit to buff in the middle of battles. If you're worried about tagging creatures for EXP, use a debuff or Gi-spell to tag everything when they spawn and then start buffing.
- Buffs too low? Find a buff party in Parum East in the Flyer's Base. Can't find one? At least your group knows you care by giving them at least the level 1 buffs.
- Every group member matters. If someone misses a buff because they had to go afk for 10 seconds in the other room, you go back and buff them. If someone dies, you don't wait until the next cycle.
- Same goes with heals. There is no 'heal myself only' spell; Resta heals everyone around you from the get-go for a reason.
- Develop OCD for this kind of stuff.

There are other classes that you can waste your time with where you don't need to complain about 'having to be a healbot.' You can enjoy the Whip all you want but you're not helping anyone if all you're going to do is swing it around.

[PALRAPPYS]

1. Fortetecher should be a healer too.
2. People don't support because they chose the class for other weapons. Of course I personally hate how __techers don't support, but it is their style to play I guess. :/

[Kanore]

You become your group's bitch if you go techer, there's no going away from the 'support' play style no matter who you are if you want to play efficiently.

[Nuclearranger]

I don't think that you even need support most of the time... im a fG mainly *prettymuch only* and I don't really NEED it. Its nice for big dmg and so i don't have to heal. But honestly if the game was harder then yea... im sure more people WOULD support because people would get more appreciation for doing so.

[Lyric]

You know, this would be fine and all except there's that whole little problem - People play the way they want to.

I'm a Guntech/Acrotech and play the way we're 'supposed' to, but I have to say it gets pretty damn annoying when you're trying to buff someone and they keep running away. It's not all on the techer's back to keep the group in shape. Sorry, but eventually I get tired of chasing random idiots around to keep them up on buffs. If they want to keep moving out of range when I'm trying to help them, then they can shove it. Thus why I usually just stick to a close group of friends when I play.

[Xaeris]

Is this thread supposed to be satire or something? Techers that make doormats of themselves suck, and need to learn some damn pride. And I don't even play techer jobs.

[Kanore]

You know, this would be fine and all except there's that whole little problem - People play the way they want to.

I'm a Guntech/Acrotech and play the way we're 'supposed' to, but I have to say it gets pretty damn annoying when you're trying to buff someone and they keep running away. It's not all on the techer's back to keep the group in shape. Sorry, but eventually I get tired of chasing random idiots around to keep them up on buffs. If they want to keep moving out of range when I'm trying to help them, then they can shove it. Thus why I usually just stick to a close group of friends when I play.

Did you just not bother to read everything I said?



Is this thread supposed to be satire or something? Techers that make doormats of themselves suck, and need to learn some damn pride. And I don't even play techer jobs.

No. And no, and no. And why would you even bother saying that if you don't play a techer class in the first place?

So far all this feedback is a testament to why at least 90% of the techers everyone groups with is absolutely horrible.

[Magitek_X]

In my experience the worst part as being a xtecher, is having to run around people who are damage magnets even when clearly you're the only one doing any healing. If you're taking heavy damage look for me, not make babysit you. Bonus RAGE points if they constantly die and have no Scapes.

[Ryudo]

95% of techers are retards fapping to their loli newman

[Kanore]

95% of techers are retards fapping to their loli newman

There we go.

[Xaeris]

Did you just not bother to read everything I said?



No. And no, and no. And why would you even bother saying that if you don't play a techer class in the first place?

So far all this feedback is a testament to why at least 90% of the techers everyone groups with is absolutely horrible.

I say it because I would be a member of the group that would supposedly be so appreciative of this doormat. If your support tech levels are below par, I'm not going to appreciate tier 2 buffs; the Megistaride will do it just fine and save time, thanks. And I'm certainly not going to appreciate tier 1 buffs overwriting it.

[CeruleanWitch]

I'll support if my party members aren't douchebags. Otherwise, I'll just spam rafoie to lag PS2 users and use Megistar instead of buffing.

[Lyric]

Did you just not bother to read everything I said?

Oh, I read everything. Problem is you're preaching and not caring what others in this situation think on the matter. If there's someone running around like they're avoiding help, then I say let them. I'll help the people who want it. I run after my group to a degree, but usually once they're getting buffed they should at least try to stay in range for me to finish. Is that not reasonable? The range is pretty wide, and they shouldn't have to be running out of it like an idiot.

[redroses]

I'm a Acrotecher and don't have my buffs up high yet DX Couldn't find any long lasting Buff Parties (I hope a couple will pop up when we get the PA exp boost). But I at least try to keep the Party always buffed.

The thing that annoys me, that if I play with my Acrotecher, after a while people stop to heal themselves with Mates. And I often watch how they just slowly die because they don't think about healen. A lot of times I can't reach everybody, because either they are all over the room/s or I am frozen or asleep :/

But I do love to play as Acrotecher, I love supporting and helping my teammembers out. It can just get quite frustrating with people dieing all over because they get waaay to careless.

I do find it very weird though when I see Acrotechers with nothing but meele weapons <_< I can't quite understand why they would do that? It's not like Acrotecher gets high level skills or is very strong (especially without buffs)...and these kind of Acrotechers make me really mad lol.

[CeruleanWitch]

Melee weapon in one hand, madoog in the other....

[landman]

I only need a techer when I am nanoblasting, and even Star Atomizers do the job done, and my friends know they have to use them when someone nanoblasts as I do. So if I play with a techer I only ask: NO DAMBARTA PLEASE

[Shiro_Ryuu]

I have a Wartecher, and I have her use melee or attack techs depending on the situation. I'll also support at times with my crappy level 11+ support if I need to, but sometimes, the people just run away from my heals, and they aren't helping their selves by doing so. But yeah, sometimes in this game, things just die so quickly that it doesn't matter, so yeah.

[AC9breaker]

Nurses not forces, amirite?

[Gunslinger-08]

I've got a WT I play support on. I'll give a round of buffs at the beginning, and will rebuff if it looks like the fighting's not going to be particularly easy. I've had people constantly run away from my buffs, and others who tell me not to bother buffing them, who get mad when I do.

I can't even begin to tell you how many times I've ended up in a party with an AT who doesn't do squat, aside from spamming diga, whips, and other melee weps like they're some kind of fighter.

(edited for typos)

[Akio]

ok being a fortetecher main, i get mighty pissed off at this kind of thought.

- If you're not gonna support, don't go a techer class. If you really want to cast spells, go Fortetecher.

isnt fortetecher a techer class that has 30 support? this statement doesnt even make sense. and there is 2 aspects to teching, offensive and support. hate to break it to you but i chose offensive for the fact that i like blowing my enemies up with magic, not to save you butt.

- Resta or Giresta are a techer's most important spells. If you don't do anything else, your group will at least still appreciate if you just spam the healing spell. Yes, you're a healbot. You're expected to be one.

Ok yes resta is important and so is giresta, but excuse me, im noones healbot. raise a techer PM for that. and im sorry your too lazy to put a trimate in your pallet and using it when you need one, but im not gonna chance losing exp for me or my spell because your lazy. and trimates, dimates, and stars are cheap.

- Again, beyond the initial buff, you should not be stopping the group to re-buff. Make it a habit to buff in the middle of battles. If you're worried about tagging creatures for EXP, use a debuff or Gi-spell to tag everything when they spawn and then start buffing.

until a mission comes that is so incredibly hard that all team members find they used all 10 scapes by the end, constant buffing is not needed. just because buffs run out doesnt mean i need to rebuff you because in a large party, things are dying quick. the shifta your missing will speed the whole mission up by like a sec or 2.

- Buffs too low? Find a buff party in Parum East in the Flyer's Base. Can't find one? At least your group knows you care by giving them at least the level 1 buffs.

some people are casual players, or dont have that much time. ive gotten buffs up to 31+ and it takes forever. even with the upcoming PA rebalance, people just dont have the time. and btw lvl 1 buffs are lower than the item types like agitaride.

- Every group member matters. If someone misses a buff because they had to go afk for 10 seconds in the other room, you go back and buff them. If someone dies, you don't wait until the next cycle.
- Same goes with heals. There is no 'heal myself only' spell; Resta heals everyone around you from the get-go for a reason.

im gonna group these cause these are basically the same. im tired of chasing someone around the room putting buffs on. you should gather around a techer after a mob, not techer chases you around while fighting a mob.

- Develop OCD for this kind of stuff.

ok...no comment

What i am trying to say is your treating techers, even acros, like their some cleric class. well in PSU there is no such thing as an "Cleric" in the traditional sense. the programmers gave us both support and offensive techs and we can decide on whether or not we want to take certain routes or incorporate both styles. now please note that i do a lot of stuff listed here, i do care about my party and a little too much sometimes. but by the same token i solo because of people like you. the moment a buff goes off the immediately start crying for more, in a mission they dont even need them. im sorry in a party, almost all missions are very doable and are easy with no buffs at all. before you start telling us techers how to play, why dont you learn to evade more or use that wonderous thing called the action palette and put some mates and buffs, oh an like i said mates are cheap, so are buffs. if you dont have that much money in this day and age, or those items will make or break you, then your doing something wrong.

[EMPYREAN]

Nurses not forces, amirite?


if u go AT/FT then yes. FT is a combat nurse, AT is a pure nurse.

when i play on my force i allways heal, remove SE and buff during mob fights becouse, having to stop the entire party just to buff them is plain stupid.
but i never buff the ppl that runs away from me. if they dont have the brain to understand that they have to be around me when i buff they dont deserve my buffs.

[CeruleanWitch]

ok being a fortetecher main, i get mighty pissed off at this kind of thought.

- If you're not gonna support, don't go a techer class. If you really want to cast spells, go Fortetecher.

isnt fortetecher a techer class that has 40 support?

I stopped right there.

[lokey013]

As much as I like being a techer I hate it when people expect you to keep them alive the entire time....

...there's 6 people in the team and you can't be their nursemaid the entire mission...sure I heal and buff as much as I can, but if they go around pushin their weight around like some arse then they can heal themself...

...I think most people should carry mates just in case......shoot even I carry mates haha....there are times when we can't heal right away so have one in handy...

I love helpin people out but if they're jerks then that goes out the window...=P

[thunder-ray]

Since im a FT I usually use a wand and a madoog when im in partys. I have a har quick on so fast casting speed sure helps when I gotta cast resta and reverser. I have no problem what so ever with doing support however im not going to chase you around to give heals. If you stay close to me for heals and buffs then you got them. However the min you deceided to run out of my support range then your shit out of luck. On to the other point the op made yes their are terrible techers that do shitty support. But I dont let that sort of thing bother me since the game is so easy to most techers support isnt such a high demand these days. In my opinion any techer that can do heals and buffs should do them but its really up to the person if they want to or not.

[Zellis]

I have to jump into this Thread here for just a second and Vent like the poster did. My Buddy who plays on my acount plays an Acrotecher, and basicly sat me down and told me what they excel at. Does all this work to play the class and gets ready for it all.

Whats he do the first chance he gets? Gets a lame whip maxes the PA... Whats he do the second chance he gets? Gets the Self Buff spell so he can stop buffing the party... Man, Ive honestly yelled at this guy before for doing this, its so stupid, he told me he loved 1 hand daggers, So I tell him to go acrofighter... No dice, people are atracted to this class for all the wrong reasons. Whips and the ability to heal. Im sure if it was a self heal only the class's overall population wouldent budge.

Theres my 2 Cents. I would say like 90% of the Acrotechers are re-re's.

[Shardio]

That's a rather strong opinion on 'how it should be played' you have there.
I can't say I disagree though. Indeed, a techer, having access to healing and buffing techs, should use them for the benefit of the party.
However.
I play a Newman Wartecher. I'm usually using melee on mobs, handing out a Resta with a TCSM whenever someone gets close to 50-60% hp.
But I can't be arsed to buff. I'm sorry. It just doesn't seem useful. At all.
1- They are lvl 20, equivalent to a -ride.
2- The party really doesn't need them, even not the defensive ones, due to my quick Resta rule.
Now, I always, and I mean always, jump right into battle like the fighters and gunners, only bothering to stop if someone's in real bad trouble.

You make it sound as if I would be bad support, because, I do not place resta + buffs as my top priority. Well, I'm sorry then, but that's just play style. I feel as long as you put some priority into healing, or buffing for those specialised in it, you support well enough.

Edit: tl;dr: Forces ARE nurses, in whatever way you want, but yes, they ARE.

[Packrat]

I'll always heal/buff when needed. (Gi)Resta and Reverser are universal techs that all techers should have. Buffs aren't super important and usually I'll do that mid-battle to avoid having to waste time.

My worst party was one with some acrotecher (level 8-10ish) that did not have *any* techs. All melee PAs and was using a whip (with no handgun or other left-hand item) the entire time. It was frustrating because at the time I was levelling myself as a Fighgunner so we were all running out of mates/scapes by the end of the mission. x_x

Then there was also this one fT that only had megid/megiverse as the only tech PAs but that's another story all together.. >_>

[xRedd206x]

Damn.... people can't pop trimates?

[GreenArcher]

These type of threads make me sick :\

I'll sum up a page's worth of ranting with this. 99% of players don't deserve a heal bot. I see this happen a lot when I'm on my Fortegunner, and even moreso on my Fortetecher. The whole mission I'm filling as your heal bot, but when I get frozen I sit and watch 5 people run around me as if I were a ghost.

Megistarides
Trimates
Sol Atomizers
Star Atomizers

Use them.

[xRedd206x]

These type of threads make me sick :

I'll sum up a page's worth of ranting with this. 99% of players don't deserve a heal bot. I see this happen a lot when I'm on my Fortegunner, and even moreso on my Fortetecher. The whole mission I'm filling as your heal bot, but when I get frozen I sit and watch 5 people run around me as if I were a ghost.

Megistarides
Trimates
Sol Atomizers
Star Atomizers

Use them.

Pwnd!

[Realmz]

sometimes i'm rather selective on who i let Recca heal. If they say thank you for buffs, and heals and stick around for the other buffs they'll be getting them. if they're a dick and just run off i let em die.

that being said, since my buffs suck right now, i'm more apt to let another person take up buffing duty in favor of me healing and debuffing.

only my shifta and Zolare 10+ my others are low and i don't even have giresta yet.

i really need to get frags

[Vent]

This doesn't cover Fortetecher unless they're the only fT in the group.

What's annoying is when I see another 'xtecher' in the group and they make absolutely no effort to use Resta, Giresta, or Reverser on anyone else unless they need it.

I test your theory, you say that even a Wartecher should support above a Fortetecher. Yes, they are a support class, but not in support as in healing, but a support to cover both melee, tech damage and some real support. They've only level 20 support techs, so why Wartecher support above Fortetecher support?

Seriously, people should be more flexible on other people. If you're annoyed by someone or some group of people, avoid them yourself instead of this. People have discussed this over and over again. I doubt anyone can solve anything about it. Some people just like to do what they enjoy the most.

[ThEoRy]

why don't you just play with people who aren't idiots?

[rise urbanus]

i heal, buff and do almost anything to help the party but when someone call me THERE ITEM tha when i leave...

[Criss]

Oh, sorry, I hadn't realized this is "World of Phantasy Star".

Techers are not white mages or clerics. Stop treating them as such. Need healing? Use a freaking trimate, it won't make a dent on your meseta reserves unless you just started playing and are under lv 40 or something. You're not getting buffs? Who cares? The missions are so easy we'd need constant debuffs on to have some hint of a challenge.

Either drop the elitism and shut up or go play WoW or FFXI. If there's a single MMO people should be able to play without being criticized and being told how to play their own damn character, it's PSU.

I first started playing GT back on original PSU, when they had lv 10 techs and abysmal TP. I'm not playing the class for the techs, but for the gun selection. I do keep my party buffed and heal people in need when I'm in range, but that's just me. I like complex and diversified gameplay so switching before gunning and support makes the game more interesting to me.

But I'm not gonna start running after people just to buff them or heal them if they can't stay in range. I want to help them and be convenient to the party, but it has to go both side, you also be convenient for my support. Buffs and healing are a privilege, don't take it for granted. I'll buff people when and if I want to. If some idiot player keeps tossing enemies in all directions with melee PAs or grenades and prevents me from properly using my laser cannon or ra-techs and is annoying me, I can choose not to buff or heal him and he doesn't have a damn word to say about it.

[Iduno]

1st. Anyone who needs babysitting at psu's current difficulty is doing something seriously wrong.

2nd. Wartechers are NOT support, they have the lowest support of all current classes

3rd. Everyone has the ability to support themselves with items to a reasonable extent

4th. You have no right to demand that others play how you want

5th. Exept fortecher? Sounds like someones just trying to leave themselves out of becoming the heal slave he wants. (bloody hipocrite)

[Yuicihi]

There's some benefits of being a techer in general.
What's sad is that I'm pretty much the only non-techer I know. I plan to go Fortegunner, mostly just to be differnt.

"Techers are not white mages or clerics. Stop treating them as such. Need healing? Use a freaking trimate."

Oh, sorry. Didn't realize that PSU wasn't a team-oriented game.
I do agree that most of the missions are so easy they can be solo'd, but that's not the point of the party system. Don't like being healed or buffed? Go solo. Lock the party.

People need to learn how to be independant, I do agree with you.

[stukasa]

I think Criss and Iduno covered my points pretty well. This game doesn't have a pure support class. AT is about as close as it gets and even they have some decent attack options. People can play however they want and not everyone plays a class that CAN support for that reason. I do support because I like doing it but I don't think of myself as a full-time nurse. If I'm in the middle of attacking something and someone needs a heal they can come to me if they want it, otherwise they can wait until I'm done.

[Iduno]

1 more thing, if we take the people who can support must mentality, everyone in the game is able to level up their classes and go techer to suport, so come on where are you all, get over here and be my heal/buff slave!

[Furches]

Most techers don't like to babysit, when I play on my techer I will buff and heal but, it's the stupid little kids that run around with 20% of thier health left and won't heal because there is a techer in the party. Thats why most people don't support as much as others. Also people go acro and use offensive techs because they cast faster.

[Akio]

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Originally Posted by Akio View Post
ok being a fortetecher main, i get mighty pissed off at this kind of thought.

- If you're not gonna support, don't go a techer class. If you really want to cast spells, go Fortetecher.

isnt fortetecher a tec
her class that has 40 support?

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Originally Posted by CeruleanWitch
I stopped right there.

What i was getting at here was he said if i wanted to cast spells to fortetecher, but complained that the same class had support. he contradicted himself and was simply pointing it out. perhaps had you been more patient and read the rest of my post, you would get the main point. if i made an error, then continue with the post and comment on said error.

EDIT: i just realized the TYPO i made. the point still stands

[Magus_84]

I'm a Guntecher on my main. I heal, I cast Giresta and buffs. All my supports are at 31, since I also play AT occasionally. However, I have little patience for people who run off in the middle of a buff cycle. Especially when you ask them to form up in-between fights, and they just run onward. I'm lucky to play with a solid group of people that tend to both appreciate and cooperate with buffing.

In randoms though, all bets are off. If you don't at least stop running when I say "Gather for buffs, please" (which I only do in-between fights), and I haven't been able to catch you during a fight, you're out of luck. Use your own -Rides.

This isn't PSO, where a techer's best (and sometimes only good) option is to cast buffs and debuffs before anything else.

I generally try to have Giresta, Shifta and Retier up on everyone in the party, to the best of my ability. Beyond that, I'll only exert myself if you're polite and at least make an effort to cooperate with me.

The *techer classes have a lot more to offer now than just S/D/J/Z. I don't agree that they have to be healbots, as long as they're doing something else productive with their time. Spamming knockback on a whip when melees are trying to kill stuff does not count as "productive".

[Criss]

There's some benefits of being a techer in general.
What's sad is that I'm pretty much the only non-techer I know. I plan to go Fortegunner, mostly just to be differnt.

"Techers are not white mages or clerics. Stop treating them as such. Need healing? Use a freaking trimate."

Oh, sorry. Didn't realize that PSU wasn't a team-oriented game.
I do agree that most of the missions are so easy they can be solo'd, but that's not the point of the party system. Don't like being healed or buffed? Go solo. Lock the party.

People need to learn how to be independant, I do agree with you.
I know PSU is a team game. But the problem here is that people don't seem to understand what "team" means. Many people play as if party members were just slave NPCs that need to do everything in function of them, but everyone are actual people, and if they want their teammates to help them and have good cooperation with them, they first need to learn to return the favor. Techers are not healbots, they're people. Hunters and rangers are entitled to protect them just as much as they are to support. If people can't respect techers and every techer player's playstyle, I don't see why these techers should keep supporting those unappreciative people. Teamwork requires everyone to work together. Not techers in favor of other players.

Anyways, I kinda overexplained it. People not only need to learn how to be independent, but also learn how to play as part of a team. Be convenient to other players, and stop being a liability.

[Skyly]

I play fT.. and i do a decent job at it. But when i die.. sometimes they hardly even jump tp revive me.. WTF.. Thats when i don't sdzr.. or heal.. reverser.. only when I need it done for me.. people take the xtecher class for granted.. and just say.. "we got a healer lets go"

[Retsuya]

I love the xtecher class myself why? its because of survival and the weapon selection!
A techer as a nurse or a cleric is a pain specialy when you babysit the party and get left behind the exp and eventualy gets booted-out cause you way tooo low leved.

Guntechers excel in mid-long range support meaning they use offensive spells mid range and bows and riffles long range. fair?
I wouldn't be running from a distance just for your resta from far-far-away.

Wartechers and Acrotechers are a mix specialist you have to make a right balance to fully see what they're like. they should not only focus on support but on the offense aswell.
wands and magoogs (tcsm) are beutiful combination specialy since they are both diffrent weapons so they both recharge thier pp sepirately.

Fortetechers and mastertecher are the most powerful offense tech class there is. instead of purely on support, itd be faster if you help kill the mobs to quickly finish the mission.
Rods are rly just amazing specialy in dishing out offensive techs

[Kylie]

You know, this would be fine and all except there's that whole little problem - People play the way they want to.
Yes. I don't play AT because I don't care to use buffs or have skills capped at LV20, but I still won't buff on WT or even fT when I play it (rarely). Some people rather play the attack techer and not the support techer, and I think it's silly to say they're playing wrong because there's not an attack-only TECH class prior to the release of MF (and some people still hate on people that want to go that because it lacks good support). Buffs, in my opinion, aren't worth the effort. I understand that people disagree with me, but the difference is that I stop for those people when they yell their buff macro. I only ask that I'm treated with the same decency, even though it's very rare to see me as a techer these days.

[Wiz]

- If you're not gonna support, don't go a techer class. If you really want to cast spells, go Fortetecher.
I partially agree with this. Techers should make an effort to buff as often as possible. Not saying that they need to buff all the time, but they should at least make an effort. Heals are a must, but again, techers can't always be there for everyone. That's why there are mates. However, the techer classes aren't solely for these reasons: War- and guntechers are also for striking weps and guns, respectively (obviously.)


- Resta or Giresta are a techer's most important spells. If you don't do anything else, your group will at least still appreciate if you just spam the healing spell. Yes, you're a healbot. You're expected to be one.
I lol'd at this one. I have no idea why some people assume that a techer is only good for healing. Yes, techers should make an effort to heal when possible, but it's not the techer's fault if someone's too lazy to use scapes.


- Again, beyond the initial buff, you should not be stopping the group to re-buff. Make it a habit to buff in the middle of battles. If you're worried about tagging creatures for EXP, use a debuff or Gi-spell to tag everything when they spawn and then start buffing.
This is pretty much common sense for any techer. Again, buffs aren't completely necessary, but it's common techer courtesy.


- Buffs too low? Find a buff party in Parum East in the Flyer's Base. Can't find one? At least your group knows you care by giving them at least the level 1 buffs.
Eh, if the buffs are too low, don't bother. Either let another techer buff or let the rest of the team use their Megistarides or other -ides.


- Every group member matters. If someone misses a buff because they had to go afk for 10 seconds in the other room, you go back and buff them. If someone dies, you don't wait until the next cycle.
- Same goes with heals. There is no 'heal myself only' spell; Resta heals everyone around you from the get-go for a reason.
Buffs can wait until the next cycle. Again, heal as much as possible.


- Develop OCD for this kind of stuff.
lol

Just my two cents, being a techer and all (mainly FT, sometimes AT.)

[-Chilly]

Your moaning about techers on the forum isnt helping anyone.
I can probably guess that a high majority of the techers on these boards are good at support.

You should moan and bitch in the parties you join or host.

People dont want to hear from you how to play the game, they pay their subscriptions with their money and should play it how they want.

If you dont like the party leave it after the run is complete.


Words from a good support techer.
-=Chilly=-

[Wiz]

You should moan and bitch in the parties you join or host.

Words from a good support techer.
-=Chilly=-
Oh, God, that's even worse! XD

There nothing worse than "Buff me NAO!!!1" in a party. I'd rather have it be on a forum, lol.

Words from another good support techer. :D

[Middle]

One question ... : who decides which is a support-class and which is not?
I know you get banned from a party on xbox servers if you are a techer and you dont support ! but that is cr@p. Guntechers are also gunners not only techers, same with wartecher, which I wouldn't even call a support class because it has only lv20 support techs.

but you have to look at the weps every class can use.
If you like whips you go acrotecher, because they can use them on S. then you go acrotecher for the whips and not to be a supporter! It's the decision of the player himself what he wants to do with his job and not of the game... The game would be much more multifaceted if the ppl would be open for new/other things

so thats one more thing i liked in pso, that every class can use resta... except you are a cast you have a HP-regain while loafing around.

[Sekani]

There's a difference between support and babysitting. Learn it.

[Kinako78]

What i am trying to say is your treating techers, even acros, like their some cleric class. well in PSU there is no such thing as an "Cleric" in the traditional sense. the programmers gave us both support and offensive techs and we can decide on whether or not we want to take certain routes or incorporate both styles. now please note that i do a lot of stuff listed here, i do care about my party and a little too much sometimes.

My thoughts exactly. I don't mind offering support, but if that was ALL I wanted to do, I'd go back to RO and play as a priest again.

[Schubalts]

My thoughts exactly. I don't mind offering support, but if that was ALL I wanted to do, I'd go back to RO and play as a priest again.

Pfft. Battle Priests are what all the cool kids played. "You need a heal? TOO BAD! I'm too busy smashing faces with my mace!"

[Itachi1990]

Im an ft and I usually don't buff and there only 11+ and I occasianly use resta if I or someone else needs it and if someone dies they usually don't complain is they do I say fuck you dumbass there's something called a trimate use it and if there the leader of the party I get kicked but that doesn't matter to me because all you dumbasses who can't use a dam trimate and then complain fuck you because when the master classes come out and techers go master and only have level 10 support techs lets see what will happen then so u sugest you learn how to use items and fuck of.

[Packrat]

Part of the problem is that experience isn't shared as a party. There's no way someone can be a full-support player since you have to tag something to get experience from it (unlike most other ORPGs). If I didn't have to tag everything I might be more inclined to being a full support class..

[Shinko]

Man i hate this. Who the hell is you to say how someone should play. If you want to play with someone who has a techer and that play by ur so call rules then ok that's cool if you find some1 like that. but if they don't want to play like that they don't have to.

I'm sick of ppl always saying how someone should play. if you don't like how a person is playing leave that party.... simple. Now if you making your old party and you have you're own set of rules then ok cool you have a say so in what ppl do in your party but if you join some1 else don't go b****ing about how they play. If i want to pick a newman and go FF and just use a handgun then that what i'm going to do. If some1 enjoys playing a different way they can.

The BIG problem i have with this is every think techer are there b**** and thats bull. If i'm arcotecher and i want to use my saber or dagger or twin guns i can. Why you think the class can use them. I make full use of the class. use weapons and magic. as support goes i think ppl get that word confused. There's a difference between support and b****. I support! yes i'm going to heal you at times and try to keep everyone buff as much as possible but i'm NOT going to just watch you all the time and make sure ur healed. You have a trimate damn it USE IT! a techer is not ur slave. support is just that support meaning i help out. and if u run off alone way far from the party don't expect techers to go chase your ass. that's your own damn fault.

btw wartecher is not for support. they attack spells are higher.

[Kinako78]

Pfft. Battle Priests are what all the cool kids played. "You need a heal? TOO BAD! I'm too busy smashing faces with my mace!"

*laughs* Ok, you got me there. What I said about my role as an AT still holds, though.

[Schubalts]

Oh, I was agreeing with you. Smashing faces is too fun for me to be someone's healbot.

[Kinako78]

Well, I don't mind being a support character (being a healbot is another story), but as was pointed out, an AT is capable of offense as well. I make full use of everything they can do. Support and offense techs, melee, and guns. I like being a character that can perform well in more then one area.

Slightly off-topic, but this is always something that I wondered about: as far as their maximum level for a class, are debuffs considered support or offense techniques? My guess is support, but they're a fine line between both. They don't actually do any HP damage, but they're still used on enemies.

[panzer_unit]

why don't you just play with people who aren't idiots?

Some people have an idiot on their team even when they're solo.

If you need constant heals, or if your damage sucks, it's your own fault.
If teammates die while they're statused with something, it's your fault as much as anyone else's if you could have gotten there in time with an atomizer.
Play better and use your own consumables instead of blaming the techer... you can provide almost the same level of support, probably faster and more conveniently, and yet it's their job?

If the only way a _Techer can contribute to a team is by being a support slave, that's a real problem. There's no excuse for being slack on damage output.

[Alizarin]

Oh, I was agreeing with you. Smashing faces is too fun for me to be someone's healbot.
Having an Iron Driver or Spanner made it that much sweeter.

Looking at it, I play my WT like my Battle Priest. I have and use the support and healing spells when I can. But dagnabit, if I want to beat things down, I will.

[Kanore]

lol, guess I forgot to leave out the 'okay, then you can attack after supporting' part so everyone's kind of pissed off.

Also, stop whining about 'IT'S MY PLAYSTYLE LEAVE ME ALONE.' You can be emo in real life, but PSU in essence isn't a solo game. There's something beyond simply attacking as a Force/techer type. I didn't say you were supposed to babysit, I said you were supposed to support. There's a difference.

Obviously most people outright disregarding what I say were too busy with the mindset that I was 'bitching' rather than reading what I said constructively.

And, as I said on the first page, again, a majority of these 'YOU'RE TOTALLY WRONG WHAT THE HELL SHUT UP LEMME PLAY THE WAY I WANT' comments are just a testament to why a lot of you either don't expect much from techers and why most of the techers you will play with suck.

I'm not forcing you to adopt a new playstyle, I'm just saying that you shouldn't forget that the specific classes that I mentioned are mostly support classes and if you didn't want the support role, you'd be better off with a class with strength on the offensive. You DO have 'mates and Atomizers, and they ARE cheap. No need to cling to Resta if it's just for you.

But no, I'm bitching again. Tear this post apart without reading what I say.

[Akio]

Well, I don't mind being a support character (being a healbot is another story), but as was pointed out, an AT is capable of offense as well. I make full use of everything they can do. Support and offense techs, melee, and guns. I like being a character that can perform well in more then one area.

Slightly off-topic, but this is always something that I wondered about: as far as their maximum level for a class, are debuffs considered support or offense techniques? My guess is support, but they're a fine line between both. They don't actually do any HP damage, but they're still used on enemies.

i consider them support, because your making the enemies weaker, but they lose no hp in the process. i think all offensive techs deal damage somehow. though the more i think about it, it does make sense they be considered both.

[Legendria]

I play FT and AT.

In my opinion, an FT with either a Gao or a Pwand and some nicely levelled techs can go ahead and do damage.If they miss a heal on me and I die, so what? It's a scape doll. All they are required to do is buff me at the beginning of blocks.

However, as an AT (and I do this myself), it is 100% pure support. You want to tag for exp? Debuff. All I do is heal, spam giresta to level it, reverser, buff during fighting, and debuff to tag for exp. After playing PSO for so long, I'm used to doing this and I enjoy it.

FT's with 31+ techs and good Rods deserve not to be a healspambot nurse, 31 on any spell requires work. I'll take a death if your Nosdiga does 6000 damage, no problem.

[RemiusTA]

Oh god another one?

[Kinako78]

Yeah, you're probably right.

edit: That was to Akio.

[Kion]

for another similar thread not to long ago.



-Seority's Prefered Techers List-
Fortetechers's: Have most attack techs to 21 AT LEAST but prefer 31+. (Most meaning, most that there are techs, not 5 out of your 7.)
Heal when they can. Don't HAVE to EVERY time.
Buff at least every cube, or 1-2 mins after previous buffs stopped.
I know they can use melee weaps, but I prefer they don't. Period.
Allowed to use bows when nessessary.
Don't use fans please.
(You specialize in techs, so I only want to see you use them!)

Guntecher's: Shoot stuff.
Constant heal.
Buff when nessessary.
(This class is support, then attack.)

Wartecher's: Attack, attack, attack.
Use melee weaps with high PA's.
Use quick/high level techs.
DON'T BUFF KAY THANKS.
Heal when nessessary.
(You are mainly a soloing class.)

Acrotecher's:
If you have lower then 31 buffs, don't bother with this class.
ALWAYS rebuff when previous ones are stopping.
ALWAYS heal!!!
Debuff's at least 21 please, THEN whip!
Use traps ONLY when nessessary.
(I hate fortewhippers with a passion. You're there to SUPPORT ONLY, with few acceptions.)
These are good techers, playing to the full compasity of their class. I don't kick people who don't meet my pereferences, but it does bug me when they play them terribly.
[spoiler-box]And if you are a Cast techer, may God have mercy upon your soul.[/spoiler-box]

[Gen2000]

Problems are everywhere, with techers, non-techers, and this game.

Techers - A lot of them think they run the team and they're hot ****, the other party members are maggots and wouldn't survive without em. They expect endless amounts of "ty"s that clutter up the chat log and get pissy when everyone doesn't stand still for the whole buff rital when use their annoying cut-in chats instead of just shutting up and buffing mid-mob fights. Reality check, most people only want Shifta anyways.

Non-techers - Act like they don't know what a Sol/Star is, will let the Techer who is frozen/stun/sleeping die if I or someone else likeminded didn't run alll the way across the room to help them. I shouldn't have to do this if you're closer to them. Doesn't make any effort to run into Resta/Reverser/Buff range. You know the techer is gonna heal you, at least try to get within range instead of running in the opposite direction to a random corner. All you doing is making it hard on them for no real reason.

The game - PSU at the moment is way too easy to actually be getting this upset at how someone plays their support class, the support that GT/WT/FT/AT can provide is nice but is not crucial enough to make the difference between surviving or not from any player worth their salt, all you doing is saving teammates money which is a good thing itself. In fact an EX Trap spamming PT is more support than any of em since they make all enemies incapable of moving leading into brainless asskicking. No need to worry about healing if the enemies can't even hit you.

[Kinako78]

Yes, I remember that, Kion. Seority's view on ATs really rubbed me the wrong way.

[Shinko]

lol, guess I forgot to leave out the 'okay, then you can attack after supporting' part so everyone's kind of pissed off.

Also, stop whining about 'IT'S MY PLAYSTYLE LEAVE ME ALONE.' You can be emo in real life, but PSU in essence isn't a solo game. There's something beyond simply attacking as a Force/techer type. I didn't say you were supposed to babysit, I said you were supposed to support. There's a difference.

Obviously most people outright disregarding what I say were too busy with the mindset that I was 'bitching' rather than reading what I said constructively.

And, as I said on the first page, again, a majority of these 'YOU'RE TOTALLY WRONG WHAT THE HELL SHUT UP LEMME PLAY THE WAY I WANT' comments are just a testament to why a lot of you either don't expect much from techers and why most of the techers you will play with suck.

I'm not forcing you to adopt a new playstyle, I'm just saying that you shouldn't forget that the specific classes that I mentioned are mostly support classes and if you didn't want the support role, you'd be better off with a class with strength on the offensive. You DO have 'mates and Atomizers, and they ARE cheap. No need to cling to Resta if it's just for you.

But no, I'm bitching again. Tear this post apart without reading what I say.

....... Why do people go xTecher classes to... not support?

...... sound like b****ing to me

[angelslayer]

Why do people go xTecher classes to... not support?

Because I don't play this game to fit the mold of what you think I should play as.

[Kanore]

....... Why do people go xTecher classes to... not support?

...... sound like b****ing to me

My next thread will be "Discussions on the importance of PSU lore and character relationships and how it's much better than constructively criticizing play styles" so don't worry, it won't be bitching then.



Why do people go xTecher classes to... not support?

Because I don't read the content of the post and would rather make a smart-ass waste of reply like a lot of people in this thread.

fixed

[Realmz]

i mainly a agree on those points that Kion quoted, never had much experience with acrotechers so i can't comment on them. I do like guntechers tho, they let me spam my diga and foie and let me wail on things with mah claws :3

also agree on cast techers, i'm always in awe of the random cast fT with all max techs

[angelslayer]

Call it smart ass if you like. I don't need anyone telling me what I "should" play as. Thanks.

[Iduno]

lol, guess I forgot to leave out the 'okay, then you can attack after supporting' part so everyone's kind of pissed off.

Also, stop whining about 'IT'S MY PLAYSTYLE LEAVE ME ALONE.' You can be emo in real life, but PSU in essence isn't a solo game. There's something beyond simply attacking as a Force/techer type. I didn't say you were supposed to babysit, I said you were supposed to support. There's a difference.

Obviously most people outright disregarding what I say were too busy with the mindset that I was 'bitching' rather than reading what I said constructively.

And, as I said on the first page, again, a majority of these 'YOU'RE TOTALLY WRONG WHAT THE HELL SHUT UP LEMME PLAY THE WAY I WANT' comments are just a testament to why a lot of you either don't expect much from techers and why most of the techers you will play with suck.

I'm not forcing you to adopt a new playstyle, I'm just saying that you shouldn't forget that the specific classes that I mentioned are mostly support classes and if you didn't want the support role, you'd be better off with a class with strength on the offensive. You DO have 'mates and Atomizers, and they ARE cheap. No need to cling to Resta if it's just for you.

But no, I'm bitching again. Tear this post apart without reading what I say.

No, what you said was support but what you went on to describe was babysitting.

And no I don't expect much in the way of support from techers because, tbh it really isn't needed, the only times I ever need supporting (on any of my characters) are while sleeping, frozen, stunned or glitched inside a monster, everything else can be covered with items I use myself.

Anyone who has to rely on support from others in normal circumstances is a burden to a party, much more so than a non supporting techer

[Legendria]

As far as FT and AT go, i agree with Kion anyway lol.

Having your techs at 21+ is no small feat though, there's a lot of them.

[Kanore]

Call it smart ass if you like. I don't need anyone telling me what I "should" play as. Thanks.

Great constructive criticism you're having here. Or is it just 'expressing yourself?' Well, not like people seem to know the difference around here. But okay tough guy.


No, what you said was support but what you went on to describe was babysitting.

And no I don't expect much in the way of support from techers because, tbh it really isn't needed, the only times I ever need supporting (on any of my characters) are while sleeping, frozen, stunned or glitched inside a monster, everything else can be covered with items I use myself.

Except, you know, one of the classes, especially Acrotecher, actually CALLS for 'Support' and I've seen a number of inefficient Acrotechers which led me to create this thread. I just decided to drag WT and GT into it, but as you can see by one of the quotes by Seority posted they're also more or less support classes.


Anyone who has to rely on support from others in normal circumstances is a burden to a party, much more so than a non supporting techer

People love calling PSU an 'MMORPG' compared to PSO's 'ORPG,' so let me bring other 'MMORPGs' up: Tell this to ANYONE that's played ANOTHER MMORPG. Just tell them that anyone that has to rely on a healer in the endgame of any MMORPG is a burden.

EDIT: Furthermore, do I really need to come out and say 'Alright, after all's said and done you can still attack?' This thread concentrated on the support facet of being a techer. But you can all still enjoy thinking that my entire post just said 'ALL TECHERS SHOULD BABYSIT AND YOU SHOULD ADOPT MY PLAYSTYLE'.

[Lyric]

lol, guess I forgot to leave out the 'okay, then you can attack after supporting' part so everyone's kind of pissed off.

Also, stop whining about 'IT'S MY PLAYSTYLE LEAVE ME ALONE.' You can be emo in real life, but PSU in essence isn't a solo game. There's something beyond simply attacking as a Force/techer type. I didn't say you were supposed to babysit, I said you were supposed to support. There's a difference.

Obviously most people outright disregarding what I say were too busy with the mindset that I was 'bitching' rather than reading what I said constructively.

And, as I said on the first page, again, a majority of these 'YOU'RE TOTALLY WRONG WHAT THE HELL SHUT UP LEMME PLAY THE WAY I WANT' comments are just a testament to why a lot of you either don't expect much from techers and why most of the techers you will play with suck.

I'm not forcing you to adopt a new playstyle, I'm just saying that you shouldn't forget that the specific classes that I mentioned are mostly support classes and if you didn't want the support role, you'd be better off with a class with strength on the offensive. You DO have 'mates and Atomizers, and they ARE cheap. No need to cling to Resta if it's just for you.

But no, I'm bitching again. Tear this post apart without reading what I say.

Because not agreeing with you somehow means we didn't read your post.

Edit: Seriously. I get what you are saying, but you have to realize that the majority of the time when you have a random party it somehow deteriorates into techers having to babysit someone or another.

[Akio]

I think the point we are trying to make here TC is that its okay to encourage people to play a bit more on support. hell most Techer guides suggest support. but thats just it, they are guides, guidlines telling people their options. if they dont want to have resta at all, then they dont have to. your telling people how they should play, which is causeing all the people to say your bitching.

[CeruleanWitch]

Call it smart ass if you like. I don't need anyone telling me what I "should" play as. Thanks.

Butthurt internet tough guy much?

[beatrixkiddo]

Kanore: "Nurses not forces!"

Techers: "Forces not nurses!"

okay, thread over ¦3

[angelslayer]

Can someone please point out ANY constructive criticism in this thread? I didn't think so. So sorry we don't all fit your mold of the PSU utopia. Guess I'll continue to play the way I do while you keep whining about it.

Cest la vie.

[Furches]

If you don't like how people are playing THIER characters on THIER accounts why don't you make an Acrotecher and support all you want so you can STFU about all the other techers on the game

[Kanore]

Because not agreeing with you somehow means we didn't read your post.

Edit: Seriously. I get what you are saying, but you have to realize that the majority of the time when you have a random party it somehow deteriorates into techers having to babysit someone or another.

I don't know, for a post suggesting 'tips' on how to support better, I'm getting more 'Stop telling me how to play, I do what I want' rather than more proper reasons why techers aren't efficient enough to support.


I think the point we are trying to make here TC is that its okay to encourage people to play a bit more on support. hell most Techer guides suggest support. but thats just it, they are guides, guidlines telling people their options. if they dont want to have resta at all, then they dont have to. your telling people how they should play, which is causeing all the people to say your bitching.

I was too. My bullet points were listed as tips.

And there you have it, Lyric. Yet another one.


Can someone please point out ANY constructive criticism in this thread? I didn't think so. So sorry we don't all fit your mold of the PSU utopia. Guess I'll continue to play the way I do while you keep whining about it.

Cest la vie.

I get it, this is your third post whining about how I'm infringing on your playstyle. Stop wasting space.



If you don't like how people are playing THIER characters on THIER accounts why don't you make an Acrotecher and support all you want so you can STFU about all the other techers on the game

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[CeruleanWitch]

If you don't like how people are playing THIER characters on THIER accounts why don't you make an Acrotecher and support all you want so you can STFU about all the other techers on the game

He has an acrotecher and he does support. So STFU.

[Packrat]

Ok this is getting out of hand. >_>

Obviously not everyone will play their classes or races "as intended". There will always be those techers that will not use techs to support others. Fortewhippers and the like exist and will continue to exist no matter what anyone says about it. Personally it's annoying but I don't expect those that can support to support all the time.

That being said if someone's just being a detriment to the party, they'll eventually find out that less and less people will want to play with them (friends being an exception perhaps)..

[panzer_unit]

lol, guess I forgot to leave out the 'okay, then you can attack after supporting' part so everyone's kind of pissed off. ... I didn't say you were supposed to babysit, I said you were supposed to support. There's a difference.
...
I'm not forcing you to adopt a new playstyle, I'm just saying that you shouldn't forget that the specific classes that I mentioned are mostly support classes and if you didn't want the support role, you'd be better off with a class with strength on the offensive.


There is a difference, but you don't know it. Your definition of "support" sounds exactly like "babysitting"... it doesn't help that this high-horse "play how I want" rant is based on this insulting assumption that _Techers don't do enough damage to justify going on full offense instead of just following the rest of the party around with a diaper bag.

Of course you'd have to look really far down your nose to see any of that going on.

[Iduno]

Great constructive criticism you're having here. Or is it just 'expressing yourself?' Well, not like people seem to know the difference around here.



Except, you know, one of the classes, especially Acrotecher, actually CALLS for 'Support' and I've seen a number of inefficient Acrotechers which led me to create this thread. I just decided to drag WT and GT into it, but as you can see by one of the quotes by Seority posted they're also more or less support classes.



People love calling PSU an 'MMORPG' compared to PSO's 'ORPG,' so let me bring other 'MMORPGs' up: Tell this to ANYONE that's played ANOTHER MMORPG. Just tell them that anyone that has to rely on a healer in the endgame of any MMORPG is a burden.

EDIT: Furthermore, do I really need to come out and say 'Alright, after all's said and done you can still attack?' This thread concentrated on the support facet of being a techer. But you can all still enjoy thinking that my entire post just said 'ALL TECHERS SHOULD BABYSIT AND YOU SHOULD ADOPT MY PLAYSTYLE'.

Actually I've just read soriety's quote and for wartecher doesn't it say "FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DONT BUFF" and "heal (heres the important bit coming) when necessary" (I interpret that as in circumstance when the player cant heal themselves (stunned, frozen ect.)

And also other MMORPGSs need dedicated healers because most often its harder to just avoid damage and players can tank and keep all the agro to keep the healers safe (also they have dedicated nukeing classes), now when I see people dedicating themselves to keeping all enemys charmed and off the techers backs, then maybe I'll consider dedicating myself to keeping them alive

Basically PSU is NOT like other MMORPGs

[Shinko]

Meh just f***ing meh

you go on about constructively criticizing play styles but to me it seem like ur telling people they have to play this way. If you were you would be saying this' i'm not saying your style of playing is wrong.... you can do what ever but this is what i think' and then said whatever u feel about it. people would of understand a bit better can and would have not came off like they did. but no instead you go on a rampage b****ing say people who play this way is dumb and shouldn't do it

[Furches]

He has an acrotecher and he does support. So STFU.

Well then since he has an acrotecher and he does support, why does he care about other techers, and wether or not they do the same things as he does.

[chaoskila]

the only reason i see a person going a _techer class without supporting is guntecher becuz of S rank xbows and i can also seeing a wartecher not doing aynthing cuz they just suck =P

[Legendria]

Well then since he has an acrotecher and he does support, why does he care about other techers, and wether or not they do the same things as he does.

He's just pointing out how awesome he is and how much other people suck. Pure elitism, duhhhh.

Nah, kidding.

I have some gripes about the goddamn melee acrotechers, but whatever. Nothing to make a topic over, in my opinion. The only run where you can die often is that second HIVE mission (After Dark Satellite) where everything is buffed and kicks your ass.

Anything else is not really a challenge of any sort.

[Kanore]

Obviously not everyone will play their classes or races "as intended". There will always be those techers that will not use techs to support others. Fortewhippers and the like exist and will continue to exist no matter what anyone says about it. Personally it's annoying but I don't expect those that can support to support all the time.

Which... is why I made this thread to ask why? But it just degenerated like always. 5 goddamn years here and PSO-W still only has so much people that are willing to say something interesting other than 'TC is totally wrong omfg dumbass'


There is a difference, but you don't know it. Your definition of "support" sounds exactly like "babysitting"... it doesn't help that this high-horse "play how I want" rant is based on this insulting assumption that _Techers don't do enough damage to justify going on full offense instead of just following the rest of the party around with a diaper bag.

Of course you'd have to look really far down your nose to see any of that going on.

Again, never said I was forcing anyone to do anything. Too busy concentrating on another crafty way to insult me?


Basically PSU is NOT like other MMORPGs

I'm not touching this one.


Well then since he has an acrotecher and he does support, why does he care about other techers, and wether or not they do the same things as he does.

Because what I do seems to be thumbs-upped by whoever I play with and I'm wondering why people continue to complain about crappy healers, leading me to make this thread asking why.

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Basically PSU is NOT like other MMORPGs

... C'mon.



the only reason i see a person going a _techer class without supporting is guntecher becuz of S rank xbows and i can also seeing a wartecher not doing aynthing cuz they just suck =P

I like the way you think.



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Anyway, now I'm seeing everything from the standpoint of other Forces and techers that made threads like this in the past. People seem to like misinterpreting everything I say as some sort of 'elitism.' This is the last time I'm going to say this. I wasn't forcing anyone to do anything, there's just no other way to say things. But hey, if you enjoy reading criticism of play styles' as just 'trolling,' 'flaming,' 'bitching,' then go ahead, troll, flame, and bitch back at me, then go on to droll over lore threads and giggle at inside joke threads.

Srs business.

[Sekani]

But you can all still enjoy thinking that my entire post just said 'ALL TECHERS SHOULD BABYSIT AND YOU SHOULD ADOPT MY PLAYSTYLE'.
Actually, that is pretty much what your entire first post said. You gave bullet points on how to babysit and said that all techers should adopt some or all aspects of that playstyle or change classes. Check again, I read it twice.

If that's what you call constructive criticism, you need to work on your phrasing a bit more. Sounds like more generic bawww to me.

[Iduno]

the only reason i see a person going a _techer class without supporting is guntecher becuz of S rank xbows and i can also seeing a wartecher not doing aynthing cuz they just suck =P

As a former Wartecher I can say from experience that they do not suck and challenge you to find a more versitile class (resistent to melee? Tech it, Resistant to techs? Melee it, Flys around a lot? Whip out your bow/cards and shoot it down) Wartechers can basicly fill in any slot in a party (apart from support) and solo practically anything as well

Also anyone else notice the TC scooting round the stuff he cant answer?

[Shinko]

Actually, that is pretty much what your entire first post said. You gave bullet points on how to babysit and said that all techers should adopt some or all aspects of that playstyle or change classes. Check again, I read it twice.

If that's what you call constructive criticism, you need to work on your phrasing a bit more. Sounds like more generic bawww to me.

agree. This is what i been trying to say

[Kanore]

Actually, that is pretty much what your entire first post said. You gave bullet points on how to babysit and said that all techers should adopt some or all aspects of that playstyle or change classes. Check again, I read it twice.

If that's what you call constructive criticism, you need to work on your phrasing a bit more. Sounds like more generic bawww to me.

Point out to me where I'm forcing people to adopt a playstyle or change. I don't really see it. Again, just suggesting.



Also anyone else notice the TC scooting round the stuff he cant answer?

In a jungle of 'Stop whining, stop bitching, stop telling me how to play,' I can't see everything.

[Jakosifer]

Why isn't this locked yet? This definitely isn't going to get any better anytime soon. >_>

[Iduno]

Point out to me where I'm forcing people to adopt a playstyle or change. I don't really see it. Again, just suggesting.



In a jungle of 'Stop whining, stop bitching, stop telling me how to play,' I can't see everything.

How about just quoteing "PSU is NOT like other MMORPGs" TWICE no less but leaving out the reasoning above

Also if healers are needed where are the tanks protecting them? All I see is DPS and AOE classes surely if there must be healers there must also be tanks. (Hunters AREN'T tanks as they dont hold the agro)

[Kanore]

Why isn't this locked yet? This definitely isn't going to get any better anytime soon. >_>

I'll just request one then... all the replies have begun to repeat themselves anyway


How about just quoteing "PSU is NOT like other MMORPGs" TWICE no less but leaving out the reasoning above

Also if healers are needed where are the tanks protecting them? All I see is DPS and AOE classes surely if there must be healers there must also be tanks. (Hunters AREN'T tanks as they dont hold the agro)

A community of people who love jumping to conclusions and flaming each other? Same as all.
Lots of Korean MMOs don't have designated tanks either. And are you implying that no one should be forced to heal, ever? This isn't a solo game, someone's going to have to be the healbot eventually. I'm sure people find it annoying to pop mates all the time and would rather their bar to go up automatically while slashing away.

If someone wants me to put my money where my mouth is, go ahead and PM me if you're on PSU PC. I might get back to you, but I'm kind of bored now that MAG's out of the way. But for now, I'm done replying.

[Jakosifer]

Although to be honest, I DO understand what you're saying. Having something available to you that can benefit your team, yet not using it whenever possible is nothing short of lazy/selfish. >_>

[angelslayer]

Although to be honest, I DO understand what you're saying. Having something available to you that can benefit your team, yet not using it whenever possible is nothing short of lazy/selfish. >_>

That's even worse than the OP.

[Xaeris]

Point out to me where I'm forcing people to adopt a playstyle or change. I don't really see it. Again, just suggesting.



In a jungle of 'Stop whining, stop bitching, stop telling me how to play,' I can't see everything.

You've been told from a variety of directions that your initial post is an abrasive compilation of mandates on how to babysit. Perhaps you should consider that maybe, just maybe, your message isn't as magnanimous and helpful as you seem to think it is.

[Kanore]

That's even worse than the OP.

Christ, I get it, you're a loner. Okay.


You've been told from a variety of directions that your initial post is an abrasive compilation of mandates on how to babysit. Perhaps you should consider that maybe, just maybe, your message isn't as magnanimous and helpful as you seem to think it is.

You could've just said 'No, you're still totally wrong and your message probably isn't as helpful as you think' instead of spending the last few pages of this degenerate thread with your nose in a dictionary.

[CeruleanWitch]

That's even worse than the OP.

Because agreeing with the OP makes you so much more worse than he is. Hurf Durf.

[Lyric]

EDIT: ATTN: Read this entire post before replying. The first 8 pages have enough misinterpretation. The following post IS NOT FORCING YOU TO ADOPT A NEW PLAYSTYLE.

The higher the job level of the inefficient techer, the worse. Don't be an inefficient techer, and take at least a few of these basic tips to consideration:

- If you're not gonna support, don't go a techer class. If you really want to cast spells, go Fortetecher.


There are other classes that you can waste your time with where you don't need to complain about 'having to be a healbot.' You can enjoy the Whip all you want but you're not helping anyone if all you're going to do is swing it around.

I believe this right here is what is causing this argument to continue. You say they're only tips, but then one of your tips is "If you're not gonna support, don't go a techer class."

The problem I'm seeing is just your wording of the tips. That, and the 'healbot' comment is setting people off because the classes can do much more then just heal.

This thread has just turned into a massive troll/flame fest. I'm going to work.

[ArcImpulse]

This topic is horrible and needs to die.

In a fire.

[Akio]

I believe this right here is what is causing this argument to continue. You say they're only tips, but then one of your tips is "If you're not gonna support, don't go a techer class."

The problem I'm seeing is just your wording of the tips. That, and the 'healbot' comment is setting people off because the classes can do much more then just heal.

This thread has just turned into a massive troll/flame fest. I'm going to work.

Give this man a medal, he hit the nail on the head with this one.

[Iduno]

I'll just request one then... all the replies have begun to repeat themselves anyway



A community of people who love jumping to conclusions and flaming each other? Same as all.
Lots of Korean MMOs don't have designated tanks either. And are you implying that no one should be forced to heal, ever? This isn't a solo game, someone's going to have to be the healbot eventually. I'm sure people find it annoying to pop mates all the time and would rather their bar to go up automatically while slashing away.

If someone wants me to put my money where my mouth is, go ahead and PM me if you're on PSU PC. I might get back to you, but I'm kind of bored now that MAG's out of the way. But for now, I'm done replying.


Having soloed and played without techers on a Figunner, Fortegunner and Fortefighter, I can honestly say it is not annoying to have to pop a few mates inbetween attacking, just stick them on your palette, learn to dodge, make smart use of PAs with knockback and you're good to go

If your too lazy to hold B and press left on the d-pad every now and then just quit already

[Mawile]

Hahahah this thread is amazingly bad. Please someone put it out of it's misery.

[Kanore]

Already requested a lock...

Back to the ol' 'sega sucks' threads

[nooblet]

sega should just split the forces into 2 catorgories like all the other mmos. that way if people just want a pure support can go that route. But i bet a lot less people would go the cleric route.

besides these days all i keep hearing are people bitcing about how this game is in easy mode and what not. so whatever......

[Xaeris]

Christ, I get it, you're a loner. Okay.



You could've just said 'No, you're still totally wrong and your message probably isn't as helpful as you think' instead of spending the last few pages of this degenerate thread with your nose in a dictionary.

I'm sorry if you think any of that required any use, nevermind extensive use, of a dictionary. ...Well, I did spell magnanimous wrong on the first try. But, the point remains; your communication has failed if the recipients got a different message than the one you wanted to convey, regardless of whatever you think it conveyed.

[Packrat]

Which... is why I made this thread to ask why? But it just degenerated like always. 5 goddamn years here and PSO-W still only has so much people that are willing to say something interesting other than 'TC is totally wrong omfg dumbass'

The problem is that you asked why there are people who are techers and not willing or wanting to support. Why? Simple: they don't want to. Everything else in the topic is just rubbish posts after that.

[Alizarin]

If I were to answer just the question (since that was the entire point of this thread right?), I would say a major reason comes down weapon selection in addition to having techs as additional option. Each class offers a varied selection of weapons, and a lot of people choose a class solely based on what weapons they like and which class offers that. Apparently, Guntechers and Wartechers fall into this especially since they offer a different mix of weapons between fortes and other hybrids.

As for Fortetechers and Arcotechers, each one has a selection of weapons not necessarily offered by other classes outside of the techer line that aren't necessarily tech-casting weapons in themselves. (See: Bow, Card, Whip).

Also, techs rank in with bullets as being time-consuming to level, and most people don't have the time/motivation/desire to level them. This is compounded with the expectations that if you don't have them at a certain level, don't bother.

Not everyone wants to be the healer, as evidenced by the resounding "GIT OFF MAH BACK AH WANNA PLAY HOW AH WANT SO EFF YOU". Techers offer different styles of play, and some people just want to use one or two out of the three.

Those reasons, coupled with laziness, selfishness and possibly single-track minded gameplay styles make people not choose support. There are probably a few others, but chances are the people you really want to ask about that aren't reading this thread.

Edit. Hah! I'm so late...

[Kanore]

If I were to answer just the question (since that was the entire point of this thread right?), I would say a major reason comes down weapon selection in addition to having techs as additional option. Each class offers a varied selection of weapons, and a lot of people choose a class solely based on what weapons they like and which class offers that. Apparently, Guntechers and Wartechers fall into this especially since they offer a different mix of weapons between fortes and other hybrids.

As for Fortetechers and Arcotechers, each one has a selection of weapons not necessarily offered by other classes outside of the techer line that aren't necessarily tech-casting weapons in themselves. (See: Bow, Card, Whip).

Also, techs rank in with bullets as being time-consuming to level, and most people don't have the time/motivation/desire to level them. This is compounded with the expectations that if you don't have them at a certain level, don't bother.

Not everyone wants to be the healer, as evidenced by the resounding "GIT OFF MAH BACK AH WANNA PLAY HOW AH WANT SO EFF YOU". Techers offer different styles of play, and some people just want to use one or two out of the three.

Those reasons, coupled with laziness, selfishness and possibly single-track minded gameplay styles make people not choose support. There are probably a few others, but chances are the people you really want to ask about that aren't reading this thread.

Edit. Hah! I'm so late...

Yeah but thanks. Makes sense.

[chalka]

just like to get my 2 cents in before this closes....

i play all 3 "major" class types and what you're "suggesting" sounds pretty selfish. as a techer i buff and try to keep my party healed, but im not going to baby-sit you. if you want to run off on your own im not giving chase. you are in a GROUP and you should stay with the GROUP. not be selfish and run off so you can whore exp or whatever.

with that said, when i play a fighter class i like getting buffed and healed. if a techer buffs and heals when he cans and i can tell hes at least trying, im ok with that. im not going to demand he buff me everytime they wear off, or heal me if hes caught by a mob or trying to heal someone else, thats why i carry mates and star atomizers on my palette. i know they cant do everything, nor should i expect them to. also, its not that hard to dodge attacks and kill things quickly. if youre a fighter worth his salt, you shouldnt have to worry too much about healing to begin with.

its find and dandy to expect some support and if the techer is trying, you cant fault them, but its selfish to expect them to be solely support and run around watching your every move.

techers in PSU arent white mages, like in an FF game, nor are they black mages. they are a combination of the two, so you should expect that they can heal and buff, yet want to help attack as well.

[Magus_84]

People love calling PSU an 'MMORPG' compared to PSO's 'ORPG,' so let me bring other 'MMORPGs' up: Tell this to ANYONE that's played ANOTHER MMORPG. Just tell them that anyone that has to rely on a healer in the endgame of any MMORPG is a burden.


That's just it, though. Most other MMOs don't have a readily-obtainable, cheap supply of items that can fully heal you (and your nearby teammates), remove status effects and buff you. To be honest, I can't think of any others off the top of my head.

You seem to be coming at this from a PSO mindset. Which, I wholeheartedly sympathize with, as we've both basically made the same arguments on this particular subject for that particular game many a time.

But in PSU, things are a bit different. For one, buffs don't have nearly the in-game effect that they do on PSO. Two, there are twice as many buffs, and each one takes as long to cast as the two PSO buffs would. With much shorter range. Not to mention weapon swap lag. Three, with as fast as stuff dies these days, you have a choice between either buffing in-battle and missing exp due to swap lag, trying to tag before you buff and getting griped at for not buffing, or pulling people together for buffs in-between battles. Four, all techer classes can actually contribute something in damage or Status Effects now.

All of these things make it far harder to be a "good" support class than it was on PSO. I don't necessarily think this is a "play this way or else" post, despite the take on it some people have. But reading over the original post, I can definitely tell what's influenced you, and those old rules don't necessarily apply the same way on here.

As for why they go techer classes to not support...S-Rank Crossbows, high-level attack techs, S-Rank Whips or the combination of S-Rank Claws, Dagger and Fist. All are valid reasons to be a techer class without wanting to support.

When you get into the class itself, after you've picked it...well. Buffs aren't as game-winning as they are on PSO and weapons are awkward to switch at times.

[_K1_]

If you actually cared, you'd read any of the 9000 other threads on this exact same topic that have been endlessly repeated ever since PSU started.

Or just start a pointless flamewar, your choice I guess. People will continue to play as they like regardless of forum bitching. If someone pisses you off for whatever reason, blacklist them and move on.

[Mawile]

Hey i have a question

what the hell i s so difficult that we need some xtreme buffing I DON'T HAVE SHIFTA WHY DON'T I HAVE SHIFTA yelling up in here? Really I don't know any techers that don't heal and the buffs aren't a HUGE MEGASA ADVANTAGE like in other mmos, save maybe giresta. What's the point?

[panzer_unit]

EDIT: ATTN: Read this entire post before replying. The first 8 pages have enough misinterpretation. The following post IS NOT FORCING YOU TO ADOPT A NEW PLAYSTYLE.

lol, let's read the post then... I tried to trim it down to just the parts where he's telling someone to adopt a new playstyle, but that didn't leave much room for cutting.


Guntecher, Wartecher, and Acrotecher: These are all support classes, especially the last one. They don't have level 10 support techs for a reason; as proven by the future Masterforce, which will concentrate solely on offensive techs and as a result only has a low level of support techs.

Their other skill levels are also low for a reason; you have the Forte-classes if you want to concentrate on melee, guns or teching; and if you like going all offensive without being a Forte class then Fighgunner isn't that bad.

In short: you have levels in support techs, you have to use them to save other people money. Too bad the same logic doesn't apply for offensive skills and equipment where you could be saving TIME instead, eh? Apparently this is word directly from Sonic Team because the support tech skill levels are part of the character class... completely unlike the lv30 attack techniques, lv30 skills, even the lv40 bullets.


- If you're not gonna support, don't go a techer class. If you really want to cast spells, go Fortetecher.
- Resta or Giresta are a techer's most important spells. If you don't do anything else, your group will at least still appreciate if you just spam the healing spell. Yes, you're a healbot. You're expected to be one.
- Again, beyond the initial buff, you should not be stopping the group to re-buff. Make it a habit to buff in the middle of battles. If you're worried about tagging creatures for EXP, use a debuff or Gi-spell to tag everything when they spawn and then start buffing.
- Buffs too low? Find a buff party in Parum East in the Flyer's Base. Can't find one? At least your group knows you care by giving them at least the level 1 buffs.
- Every group member matters. If someone misses a buff because they had to go afk for 10 seconds in the other room, you go back and buff them. If someone dies, you don't wait until the next cycle.
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There are other classes that you can waste your time with where you don't need to complain about 'having to be a healbot.' You can enjoy the Whip all you want but you're not helping anyone if all you're going to do is swing it around.

Nice high-handed tone throughout, and it's not just a play-by-numbers of what to do in missions, but a stern "go get a buff party" to cover time not spent directly in your service, eh?

Let's not forget the loving directive to show your party that you're at least a willing slave (if totally incapable) by serving up lv1 buffs if that's all you've got. If we were talking about playing efficiently at all, the assumption would be that everyone's using consumables for lv2 buff effects and wasting their time with lv1 buffs is stupid. Fortunately this is all about padding some forte-class elitist's ego... those ~1000 ATP Soda Riban+10s, or that ~650 ATP Thunder Cannon+10 apparently do so little damage that everyone's better off if you buff rather than fight, or go back a room and buff someone who's AFK.

What's the actual difference between forte_ and _techer damage? One button-push per monster kill.

[Dragwind]

I support on every techer class, but thats just me. I do however feel that most "new" players just don't grasp these concepts yet.

I have to say though, even though Wartecher is a hybrid, I still use my attack techs in the appropriate situations, so I'm not going to babysit you like I do when playing as an aT. I will however spot heals in tough situations, and buff, and debuff large buffed enemies if needed.

[Kanore]

Okay, you win, you completely proved that my overall message was to force everyone to adopt a playstyle, disregard me ever saying that it wasn't my intended message.

You've totally out-elitist'd me.



I support on every techer class, but thats just me. I do however feel that most "new" players just don't grasp these concepts yet.

Which is another reason why I made this thread. But don't tell them that, let them play the way they want to.

[Gigorman]

As a Fortefighter, I find it difficult to come across a competent TECHer. Their method is misleading, healing and buffing one moment then completely neglecting me the next. This behavior throws off my rhythm and costs me money, I do not find Scape Dolls to be cheap.
I do not understand why one would find it annoying to heal a melee Guardian that has to fight non-stationary enemies. Unfortunately, most do not recognize this contradiction and tolerate the TECHer's performance.
A concern for damaging every enemy seems stressful, I would think this is not the purpose of joining a group. As a group, everyone should utilize teamwork(dependency) , but I see too often that we are only using each other. This activity I find tolerable (most of the time) fore I possess items that negate/cure aliments. Only when I see it applied to a TECHer Type (an Expert class) does it look shameful.

In short, the TECHer's job is to heal, the fighter's job is to kill. They can't kill if they're not alive.

[panzer_unit]

Okay, you win, you completely proved that my overall message was to force everyone to adopt a playstyle, disregard me ever saying that it wasn't my intended message.

You've totally out-elitist'd me.

If someone took your rant seriously they'd suck. Could be a fighter or gunner who's wasting time on some power-trip where they expect the techer to "do their job" and refresh buffs or keep them from dying; could be some techer who's thinks it's their purpose in life to save me a couple grand in consumables, and worse that they're excused from pulling their wieght when it comes to doing damage.

Then knowing my luck I'd end up having to put up with them on a team, freeloading on my loot.

[redroses]

As a Fortefighter, I find it difficult to come across a competent TECHer. Their method is misleading, healing and buffing one moment then completely neglecting me the next. This behavior throws off my rhythm and costs me money, I do not find Scape Dolls to be cheap.
I do not understand why one would find it annoying to heal a melee Guardian that has to fight non-stationary enemies. Unfortunately, most do not recognize this contradiction and tolerate the TECHer's performance.
A concern for damaging every enemy seems stressful, I would think this is not the purpose of joining a group. As a group, everyone should utilize teamwork(dependency) , but I see too often that we are only using each other. This activity I find tolerable (most of the time) fore I possess items that negate/cure aliments. Only when I see it applied to a TECHer Type (an Expert class) does it look shameful.

In short, the TECHer's job is to heal, the fighter's job is to kill. They can't kill if they're not alive.


Sorry, I can not agree at all to anything of this.
In my case, when I neglect the the healing on one person, it's because I am maybe busy with somebody else or can't do to status conditions. If you are not capable to use a Trimate when the Techer doesn't heal (out which reason ever)than you are the one not being a team player and a bad player. Relying too much on a Techer is wrong. They are humans too, they won't be always able to notice everything or whatsoever.

And when does anybody ever help the Techer? I ran missions with a couple people that really helped me with Sol's, but ran missions with a lot more that just stood next to me, spamming their Majarra, seeing I can't heal, but don't even think about using mates and dieing.

I also don't find it very team play like, when a Fighter comes in with his Jabroga and throws everything through the whole room.

AND I especially can't agree that Techers are only there for healing, and Fighters only for Killing (besides, what happend to the gunners?). How do people like you solo? If you apperently need a Techer to survive?

[Mewnie]

Oh noes, someone is wrong on the internet! http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y46/MagpieMouse/MewnPSU/ohisee.gif

[redcell]

amai_berry - The bit about being a techer that's either frozen or stunned/sleeped and then not sol atomized in parties really gets to me at times. Especially if you've been keeping the party buffed/healed through out the mission. Thankfully, I only really had to deal with that in a few random parties during MAG, but yeah it just confounds me when that happens.

[BIGGIEstyle]

I hate to jump into the middle of this (or even at the end of it) however I can see valid points on both sides of the argument.

-- Acrotechers get the best support technics in the game, so of course I expect them to use them, however it is not a techer's job to mindlessly run around and babysit their team whenever they run around like chickens with their heads cut off.

-- _Techers are the only classes in the game who can heal with technics, NOT THE ONLY ONES WHO CAN HEAL. I love it when a techer goes out of their way to heal me, but if I die because I didn't heal myself when I needed it, that's MY fault not theirs.

-- WT as a support class. Lv30 Striking PAs, Lv30 Attack Techs, Lv20 Support. Going by the levels of skills they get, a Wartecher should attack, cast offenseively, and support if they choose to. This is my opinion at least, do as you all like.

-- FT gets the highest Lvls of attack techs of all, so that's what they should be doing. I'm not gonna make a newman with less than 1/3 of my Hp run up and heal me in the middle of a mob because I'm too dumb to use my items.

-- While I agree with ATs having as high level buffs as possible and I even advocate the use of buff parties to do so, I myself have a fiance', a full-time job, and other hobbies that take up my time. and I don't have the time to sit in a buff party for 12 hours to get my buffs up to Lv31+ and I envy those that do. So in those instances where you are bashing an AT for not having Lv31+ buffs, think about the reasons they might not have done so already.

--And my last point to defend the OP I agree with setting some of this down as tips (without the "You should do this..." attitude, because I've been in hundreds of parties where my Protranser was better at healing, removing SE, and all around supporting the group than the THREE techers in it. I agree that techers who do nothing but melee whether it's daggers, swords, or even the dreaded whip and don't use technics are losing out on some aspects of the class but that's their choice.

I have a beast AT. I buff when they wear off, even in the middle of mobs. They're only Lv21 now but I'll be leveling them at me leisure. I heal whenever anyone gets hurt- as long as I notice it. However the reason I chose my character as it stands is with my Lv21 buffs, Lv21 Zalure, and Just attack, I can deal over 1300 Dmg per hit of Vivi Danga AND freeze the mob with my Vish Kuseb. So while "Fortewhippers" are frowned upon they too have their use.

While I enjoy the whip, it's not all I do. Equally enough the OP stated what _techers "should do" but it's not the way you have to play your character. Everyone has their good and bad points and everyone is entitled to their opinions so stop fighting with one another.

Besides IMO a Protranser is better "support" in a party than most techers are nowadays.

[Gigorman]

Sorry, I can not agree at all to anything of this.
In my case, when I neglect the the healing on one person, it's because I am maybe busy with somebody else or can't do to status conditions. If you are not capable to use a Trimate when the Techer doesn't heal (out which reason ever)than you are the one not being a team player and a bad player. Relying too much on a Techer is wrong. They are humans too, they won't be always able to notice everything or whatsoever.

And when does anybody ever help the Techer? I ran missions with a couple people that really helped me with Sol's, but ran missions with a lot more that just stood next to me, spamming their Majarra, seeing I can't heal, but don't even think about using mates and dieing.

I also don't find it very team play like, when a Fighter comes in with his Jabroga and throws everything through the whole room.

AND I especially can't agree that Techers are only there for healing, and Fighters only for Killing (besides, what happend to the gunners?). How do people like you solo? If you apperently need a Techer to survive?

I find it irritating you've not carefully read what I've typed and not typed.
Jabroga is not the only cause for an enemy to be far away from the TECHer (I do not own Jabroga or Majarra). I have not typed healing and killing are the "only" responsibilities of a TECHer and fighter, I did mention I carry aliment-curing items. As a Fortefighter, I cannot speak for Gunners. As a group, using teamwork requires you to depend upon another, you need not do this alone. The cases in where a TECHer is preoccupied with another matter is circumstantial, thus irrelevant.