Spread Needle/ G's aprox worth

[DarkEliteRico]

Seeing as we're getting our MAV v1 rewards this coming Friday, I'm wondering what the expected value of the Needle will be set at. If memory serves me correct the japanese had most of theirs at about half a stack, so what do you think ours will be running us?

[ForteGunnerW]

70mil-75mil

[Csero]

Say, I was told I was an idiot for thinking there will be a new individual Kill Count with this new MAG in which 500 more Spread Needles would be awarded. Is this true?

I swore I had heard this from somewhere official...

[Kizeragi]

For August 1st Needles: 60-65mil

After the rest come: 40-45mil

Of course the high grinded, unbroken ones will be worth ALOT more.

[JC10001]

I think they are going to go for a lot less than what most people think.

[chicken105]

nah spread needles will be ALOT more afterwards Kizeragi. 1st 500 will be the cheapest because people won't know the prices (i'll say 50-60m). The next 500 will be somewhat more expensive because that's your last chance to get a cheap spread needle before they go up forever.

[DarkEliteRico]

nah spread needles will be ALOT more afterwards Kizeragi. 1st 500 will be the cheapest because people won't know the prices (i'll say 50-60m). The next 500 will be somewhat more expensive because that's your last chance to get a cheap spread needle before they go up forever.

That's probably what'll happen. I've been thinking about 50-70 starting for most of them, and with the second set of rewards much higher especially for grinded ones

[dentRED]

i wonder what will be the price for a 10/10... i definitely think about 200-300mil XD

[Kizeragi]

i wonder what will be the price for a 10/10... i definitely think about 200-300mil XD

Prolly more than that.

[relentless]

10/10? More like priceless. n_n

But in general I'd say they'll start at like 40mil... and then the price will go higher in general over the time.
As time passes, prices may not rise as strong as other ones, because most will be broken.

[dc534]

I dont know their will be what 373 on Xbox servers, the rest go to PC. At least from the first MAG, I dont know if we are supposed to even be able to get this ever again after MAG or even during second part of MAG. They will be a little cheaper on xbox, maybe of course it depends on the numbers that actually are gunner, we do have more people on our servers. I think they will be worth a lot more on PC PS2 side, since they are only receiving like 130 or them.

[WBMike]

Seeing as we're getting our MAV v1 rewards this coming Friday, I'm wondering what the expected value of the Needle will be set at.

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[ThaPrez2k5]

people that want to make the money quick and sell it quick garuntee itll only be worth around 13-20 mill give it 2 weeks and itll be there for that price

[Poncho_Jr]

I wonder how much a 0/0 would go for.

[chicken105]

people that want to make the money quick and sell it quick garuntee itll only be worth around 13-20 mill give it 2 weeks and itll be there for that price
so wait, people who did this for what 4 weeks just all of a sudden say, " I NEED MONEY QUICK" *sells spread needle for 20m-30m under the lowest one.* "yay I got what I wanted... Now i need $$ for another spread needle that will cost me X2 as much! YES! I R SMART"
lol 13-20m a piece? I'll buy them all then.

[Kadajenova]

Only 130 players from PC/PS2 servers will get it (I'm one of them ^^), so ye it will worth a lot (70-75mil).I don't think pple who played 5-6 hours/day during one month will sell it for less than 50mil. With all the C runs needed, I won like 500gold badges, mean 5pushans, which are sold 10mil each (so spread worth 50mil at minimum), add 20-30mil for the rarity of spread compared to the rarity of pushan.

[Kizeragi]

I too am one, but why I said August 1st would be more expensive is because by the time the other Needles arrive, there'll be grinded/broken ones on the market, and people don't like broken weapons.

[Kadajenova]

I too am one, but why I said August 1st would be more expensive is because by the time the other Needles arrive, there'll be grinded/broken ones on the market, and people don't like broken weapons.

I don't think pple are crazy enough to grind and break it ;p
And ye spread from MAG2 will worth more because spread won't drop in a regular mish before 6months after MAG2 (at least in JP, can be 1 year with SEGAC of america)

[pikachief]

nah spread needles will be ALOT more afterwards Kizeragi. 1st 500 will be the cheapest because people won't know the prices (i'll say 50-60m). The next 500 will be somewhat more expensive because that's your last chance to get a cheap spread needle/ G before they go up forever.

pfft how dare u forget the normal spread needles! :(


and i really dont think they'll be as expensive as everyone says they will be at first :P

[Xefi]

I don't think pple are crazy enough to grind and break it ;p


Some people are actually crazy enough to break it, don't worry. If they can break the Agito Repca down to 1/1, Spread Needle will follow down the 1/1 path as well soon. lol.

[pikachief]

Some people are actually crazy enough to break it, don't worry. If they can break the Agito Repca down to 1/1, Spread Needle will follow down the 1/1 path as well soon. lol.

when i get mine its gonna be MY WEAPON so i can do what I've always wanted to do with a RARE weapon!

GRIND GRIND GRIND GRIND GRIND till i can no longer GRIND!!!!!!!! ^^ idc if its 1/1 its MINE :D


(ok jk if i get 2 i'll do that my first will be 6+ then i stop :P )

[June_Mermaid]

lol i got 50 mil saved up so i hope i can get one for that price :)

[Vickie]

i think theyre gonna be pretty cheap if they give out another couple hundred after the 2nd mag if not then they will be expensive but still love inferno > spread needle g

my bad i kinda went astray, I'd say theyll be about 40 mil

[Turb0]

it is my understanding that once it is given out to the top 500 players u will not be able to trade/sell/drop the item period

I swear we need this stickied or something. Yes, you can trade it. zomg proof (http://www.pso-world.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1983139&postcount=74) (no offense to you, this question has just been asked like 20 times)

[Larian]

My Spread Needle!!! >(

Oh and I'm not sure if he is still doing this, but Pillar ended up winning 2 so he is going to sell one to the NPC shop!! =/

[gameday]

so wait, people who did this for what 4 weeks just all of a sudden say, " I NEED MONEY QUICK" *sells spread needle for 20m-30m under the lowest one.* "yay I got what I wanted... Now i need $$ for another spread needle that will cost me X2 as much! YES! I R SMART"
lol 13-20m a piece? I'll buy them all then.

Totally agree with you!!

Mind you, it's been 2 months, so some people may have forgotten all the hard work they put in!

[Vickie]

I swear we need this stickied or something. Yes, you can trade it. zomg proof (http://www.pso-world.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1983139&postcount=74) (no offense to you, this question has just been asked like 20 times)



Yea it Has to be able to be traded, or else there would Be a hell of alot of upset players, most would quit if ya couldn't since alot of vet players didnt wanna spend 3 weeks strate playing that Asscheeks attack G ( me being one of em), and sega knows that.

I wouldnt quit nor would i be upset, just saying I know alot of ppl who would be upset SHIGGA BRADA 10/10 IN YO FACE!!!

[R2D6battlebot]

I don't think pple are crazy enough to grind and break it ;p


You, my friend, have obviously never met me >: D

[Turb0]

Well how they are grinded will be a big factor of how expensive it is. Seeing as there are like 350 of them going to 360 and 150 going to PC/PS2, they're not exactly the rarest thing out there. Also keep in mind we'll have 500 more coming after MAG2. I don't know exactly how prices will be, but I wouldn't think 0/10s would go for much more than 60 mil on 360, at least right away. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

I do want to grind one, but I'll probably keep the one I'm getting friday as a 0/10 until the grinding bonus and then grind that and the other one I'll get in MAG2. Hopefully I'll end up with one that I'm happy with, but if not I'll sell them and buy one I like.

[Arika]

Dunno how to say, but in JP server on the first week when spread/needle G released. they are on market for 60-70 mil price, although, there is no1 sell it anymore now.(since it has been half year)
But you know what?
they have 100k population, but they only got the same 500 needles.

while our population is... and we get... 1000 needles <_<;

[chicken105]

idk how you can compare psycho wands and repcas with spread needles.

Both need to be made. Repcas need grinding to be something let alone enough edges to make them. Psycho wands are usually cheap boards, but then you must pay lil bit more for just all the materials then you did on the board.

Spread needle G COMES MADE provided effort by someone to earn it. Repcas=/=psycho=/=Spread

130... for repcas. Maybe on PS2. 360 has to have around 200-300. well I made 10 repcas. Got rid of 9 of them. Leaves me with 1 PLUS I bought over 10 other ones. Though I only kept 6 of the 10 I bought. Leaving me with 7 repcas, and now trying to sell one of them. So I must have been through of repcas for only being 1 person =/. So I went through lil over 10% of all repcas on server? :P There has to be more than 130.

[Alastor_Haven]

Not worth a stack of meseta

[Syl]

I'd say 50 mil once we start seeing broken ones will be their real worth ;l

[ChaoStrike777]

I personall believe that the 370ish spread needles that are coming to the Xbox WILL be way overpriced, somebody that spent a good 4+ hours a day running C's will say my effort is worth 80 Mill at least, but someone else might say I'll sell mine for 50 Mill, then the undercutting starts. I think that you can't really put a price on it without guessing because it is all based on the first people that actually try to sell it (none of this 99,999,999 BS so others can look.) Just my opinion and please don't flame me for it.

[goldbrease]

and then the price will plumet when the normal spread needle come out.

[Turb0]

Maybe, but that will still be a really long freakin time from now.

[WHlTEKNIGHT]

dosent matter what price they are gonna end up, if i see a unbroken one in the shops it will be gone

[Kizeragi]

and then the price will plumet when the normal spread needle come out.

Not at all true. Note the / G part, people will keep as a valuable to remind them of the annoyance that is, MAG. <_<

[chicken105]

I wouldnt be too worried about the value of it going down when the real one comes out. we got it 4 months after we should have gotten it. has jp even got the normal spread needle yet? isnt there a large possibility we might not ever get it?

whoever said i said there are 130 repcas, thats not what i said. i was coparing the sn/g to the repca and sying that unbroken repcas sell for 90 mil and there are plenty more than 130 of them and since we'll only have 130 spread needles there is no reason they should not be worth more than the most expensive repca.

well I don't know how you can still compare them to Spread needle Gs because of the fact that for a repca:
You can find at anytime
You synth and get a elemental % (if its not neutral)
Grinds actually matter.
You can't really compare a one of a gunners Main weapons to a fortefighters weapon that doesn't have to be selected because of alot of other choices. not saying all fortegunners have shotguns tho. But more fortegunners use shotguns than fighters using long swords.
Spread Needle G, you get it made and its a gun so no attribute. Also, grinds doesn't matter too much on it. Though I do agree, they should be worth more than an agito repca.

[amtalx]

Actually, grinds on a Spread Needle/G are CRITICAL. Its garbage if you don't grind it.

[chicken105]

Actually, grinds on a Spread Needle/G are CRITICAL. Its garbage if you don't grind it.
yes, Agreed, but doesn't make a HUGE difference like the repca.
Notice the part where I said MUCH. To have a good repca you need a nice % and grinds. Where the spread needle you just need 5-6 grinds to be the best. As the repca you need a good %.

[Vickie]

they wont stay at 99 mil not everyone has 99 mil to blow on them like that trust me if they give out another 500 or whatever theyll definately be cheaper than 99 mil even the ones who do have $ like that would buy a few and go broke.

[Turb0]

No, grinds don't really matter a whole lot with the spread needle. While it does gain a lot of ATP for what it is, ATP on shotguns means nothing. I compared a shigga damduc (26 ATP) to a 6/10 baret (141 ATP) a while ago and the baret hit 20 per bullet harder.

[unicorn]

10 mil.

[relentless]

10 mil.

I'd gladly buy it off your hands then. :wacko:

[DarkEliteRico]

I'd gladly buy it off your hands then. :wacko:

Will gladly turn a profit for you then....sell it to me :-D

[chicken105]

I feel like this is the price is right.

[Kizeragi]

No, grinds don't really matter a whole lot with the spread needle. While it does gain a lot of ATP for what it is, ATP on shotguns means nothing. I compared a shigga damduc (26 ATP) to a 6/10 baret (141 ATP) a while ago and the baret hit 20 per bullet harder.

Here's a classic quote.
"Pics or it didn't happen" oh your 360. So you can't. I'll try that myself though.

[GlowSticks]

Less than Japanese server, Due to they have way more people, and less chance of having it on the server etc.

Buying 2X 8/8 Grinded ones! If anyone can manage that ><! Because I know I'm going to fail my 2 that I'm getting next friday :/

GT: GiowSticks

[Turb0]

Here's a classic quote.
"Pics or it didn't happen" oh your 360. So you can't. I'll try that myself though.

When I did it, I think I was using around level 28 ground shot against vahras at plains overlord S2.

[pikachief]

Here's a classic quote.
"Pics or it didn't happen" oh your 360. So you can't. I'll try that myself though.

just put the info in a stat calculator if u can find one, at Spread needle 4/4 and a spread needle 10/10 does 50 damage more per shot and thats with a lvl 50 bullet i think LOL

yea hardly anything for a lvl 50 bullet and from 4-10 grinds on that weapon XD

[Alastor_Haven]

Bullet level makes a huge diff by far

Seriosly

[Syl]

The higher the bullet the more you will notice the grinds on opposite mobs.

[pikachief]

yes thats what im saying his bulelt level was 28 and doing 20 more per bullet i was comparing a lvl 50 bullet and got a 50 damage difference.

still with 4-10 grinds thats not a big enough difference to make me grind it that far lol

[Turb0]

Yeah I understand that the difference gets bigger with a higher % multiplier but for that drastic of an ATP difference and a decently leveled shot, 20 per bullet is almost negligible.

[Syl]

Consider this though:

6 bullets shot at MF speed on lvl 50 bullets = 50 per bullet = 300 more damage

May not sound like a lot, but calculate in the speed boost and you got yourself a lot of damage.

[Alastor_Haven]

41+

Shotguns get SIX bullets

Doing 1k X6 Is fucking RETARDED

[chicken105]

oh wow, didn't know 41+ gets six bullets o_O
and if its splash damage 1X6X2 is 12k every what 3 seconds? If they all hit of course

[Alastor_Haven]

Correct

[Syl]

Yeah, I didn't know that tidbit until recently. Shotguns are really underestimated lol

[Alastor_Haven]

wha... how do you know this... this is craziness

Something called the Japanese servers?

[Syl]

what...

Japan already got Gunmaster a couple months ago (and S rank twins were always a part of their available weps). A couple of JP importers confirmed that we get 6 bullets

lol >_>

[Simmy]

I won't be getting one, But if I did buy one, I would break it until its maxed because that is how I do. All or nothing. With everything. :)

[DarkEliteRico]

Japan already got Gunmaster a couple months ago (and S rank twins were always a part of their available weps). A couple of JP importers confirmed that we get 6 bullets

lol >_>Just made me even happier....can't wait for the master classes now.

[RobTrance]

I think they'll be around 40-50m at first. then after the last stack of spread needles they'll be around the same but eventually increase in price. due to extintion. :O

[amtalx]

41+

Shotguns get SIX bullets

Doing 1k X6 Is fucking RETARDED

WTF? Pics?

[Alastor_Haven]

-.-

Can a Japanese importer

go ahead and post a picture?

Thx

[DarkEliteRico]

-.-

Can a Japanese importer

go ahead and post a picture?

Thx

Agrees, because watching them on youtube....poor video quality for 98% of the stuff on there and they're usually point blank when firing. Must confirm for sure.

[relentless]

If FOnewearl-Lina's Shotties are 41+ (specifically Fire, Ice and Light), then Shotgun bullets do not gain 6 bullets, because I looked at the Magashi Eradication videos again and I only saw 5 bullets coming out of each Barec or SN/G.
I looked at the Screenshot thread, too since she posted Pakuda pics, still 5.
She's either not an elitist like I thought (no 41+ Shotties at 150? Sounds like Shotties would be actually hard to lvl then), or yeah... no 6 bullets.

But let's wait for someone to actually confirm, though..

[amtalx]

If that's true...thats WAY too powerful. That's an extra 1000 damage ON TOP of the speed increase.

[DarkEliteRico]

Drooling over the damage they're doing in the videos it's really hard to say. They're already knocking down 1k plus a bullet it looks like in most cases with a megi-buff. 11 minutes for some of these S2 runs solo is just sick with 160+ creatures.

Only wish laser cannons were as easy to level as shotties, i'm so bored of doing my cannons.

[Syl]

I tried looking for the forum post I remember reading it in but so far no luck. I can't search for numbers (namely 41 or 6) =_=

[DarkEliteRico]

Still hoping someone can confirm this

[relentless]

I can't confirm but it sounds stupid that they gain 6 at 41.
I bet 100k it's still got 5 bullets at 50.

[Kizeragi]

I'm positive at 50 they have about 200%? ATP 30% element and 5 shots. Doing 1k per bullet with 6 bullets and speed boost like amtalx says, is silly and overated.

[Alastor_Haven]

Bah it was shopped /face palm -.- forgive me

Whatever the case

Shotguns are hax

That is all

[Para]

Curiousity strikes me... would the non /G version be stronger or weaker?

And shotguns are typically good against monsters that like to stand around loitering like Gohmons or stand around before attacking like Ageetas lol.

[Kizeragi]

Curiousity strikes me... would the non /G version be stronger or weaker?

It will start with higher stats but i doubt it would grind as well. It's a long way away to think about it though.

[Arika]

If FOnewearl-Lina's Shotties are 41+ (specifically Fire, Ice and Light), then Shotgun bullets do not gain 6 bullets, because I looked at the Magashi Eradication videos again and I only saw 5 bullets coming out of each Barec or SN/G.
I looked at the Screenshot thread, too since she posted Pakuda pics, still 5.
She's either not an elitist like I thought (no 41+ Shotties at 150? Sounds like Shotties would be actually hard to lvl then), or yeah... no 6 bullets.

But let's wait for someone to actually confirm, though..

Actually, all of his element shotgun are 50.

and for pic? well, I m lazy to online just to take pic from some MG.
but anyway, I can confirm that they shoot only 5 bullet. and there is no splash damage effect for spread/needle. sometimes you might just see that due to lag + speed fast shooting. (or youtube suck)

[relentless]

Actually, all of his element shotgun are 50.

Yeah, my point was going in the same direction, you're just adding another confirmation now plus I don't lose on 100k. :) lol

[Golto]

6 bullets for shotguns was just a false rumor spread by some people who don't know about shotgun bullets' damage spread effect. Go attack one of the dragons from the side with lvl 21+ shotgun bullets and you'll see more than 6 damage numbers pop up if aimed correctly.

At type lvl 20 you will lose 3% atp for non-casts, 6% atp for casts switching from FtG to GM. Lvl 50 shotgun bullets have 15% more atp plus 7% more element % so they more than make up for the type's atp loss.

[Bear...]

I think they are going to go for a lot less than what most people think.

I agree I mean now that there's going to be one thousand of them out *most on the 360 =p* the worth of them is going to go down tremendously.

[Shinko]

I agree I mean now that there's going to be one thousand of them out *most on the 360 =p* the worth of them is going to go down tremendously.

that's why if someone is planing on sell his or her they should do it as soon as possible. Because like you said the price of them will go down...

[SammyKiller]

ill pay 50-75mil to any1 who is selling their SN/G.

[$5Footlong]

So will a lot of people. I know a few people who will pay that and more for SNG's.

[Aries2384]

Prices will more than likely plummet in the first two weeks or so of them being released but Im sure after a month or two of the 2nd wave of extensions, the price will go back up. The reason is that there won't be alot of unbroken or 0/10 SNG's left at that point and the unbroken ones will more than likely be rare at that point.

[chicken105]

It'll be like love inferno all over again. Will start out cheap and will get more expensive even during the 2nd wave of the needles.