Hah! I see what ya did there, Sega.

[Chuck_Norris]

You called it Phantasy Star Zero, so the acronym sounds like PSO, since its PS0! Sega's trying to be leet. :disapprove:

[Nitro Vordex]

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/663/reverseth4.jpg

[beatrixkiddo]

And they made HUmar look even more like a girl than he already did :disapprove:

[Moo2u]

What's PS0?

[Adriano]

http://phantasystar.sega.jp/pszero/

[Moo2u]

Ah! Something Japanese. Gotta.

Second questions: why is there a cowboy?

[beatrixkiddo]

That's RAmar.

[Moo2u]

Serious? Are you sure it's not a male stripper? Cause that's what it looks like. A space male stripper.

[MaximusLight]

Serious? Are you sure it's not a male stripper? Cause that's what it looks like. A space male stripper.

YOU"RE ALIVE!?!11oneone

[Moo2u]

Word. :cowsleep:

[Chuck_Norris]

Wait a sec. Where's the HUmar in the picture? o .o

[Chuck_Norris]

And they made HUmar look even more like a girl than he already did :disapprove:

WAAAIIIIT. Is it actually that guy with the blonde pony tail with the jacket and shorts?

Well...It's a slight improvement apon the old HUmar. :disapprove:

[beatrixkiddo]

Yeah, keep telling yourself that

[Nitro Vordex]

Well...It's a slight improvement apon the old HUmar. :disapprove:
Get out.

[Chuck_Norris]

Get out.

Make. Me.

[Nitro Vordex]

*flying kick to the skull*

[Chuck_Norris]

*flying kick to the skull*

*Gets hit but doesn't move an inch*

[Out_Kast]

*sigh* Where's Randomness when you need him?

[Weeaboolits]

It has HUmarl and HUnewm, but where are the newman rangers? Come on Sega, get on it.

Also they better not intend to leave HUnies and RAcaseals out.

[Adriano]

:wacko: hay thar Ro,
It's been comfirmed that there will be 14 different classes, so it's being speculated that Ranewm/newearls, and focasts and caseals will be out T_T
Alls I know is, better have some REAL Yasminkovs, not that fake little 8* GRM Mechgun >:U

[Weeaboolits]

Awesome, the RAnewearls better look cool. And hopefully HUnies won't look like harlots this time.

[Out_Kast]

But everyone knows CASTS aren't meant to be able to cast techs! D:

[Adriano]

When I Said "Out" I meant not included :|

[TalHex]

i want it to take place on coral as a prequel to PSO

[Moo2u]

ZOMG! ACTUAL PSO DISCUSSION IN FKL!!

[HAYABUSA-FMW-]

This changes everything.

PSYZOU?

Sounds psycho.

[Moo2u]

Sounds like some sort of under the counter drug prescription.

[HAYABUSA-FMW-]

So in fact the people who play it are now clinically and medically cleared as "weird."

So we can't make fun of them with such adverbs anymore.

Damn'it SEGA! You were supposed to do what NINTENDON'T!

[PrinceBrightstar]

I can just hear Nall now. HUmar? Oh HUmar! Where are you? Why are you at the grave of Dragonmaster HUcaseal again

[HUnewearl_Meira]

It has HUmarl and HUnewm, but where are the newman rangers? Come on Sega, get on it.

Also they better not intend to leave HUnies and RAcaseals out.

According to PSO's continuity, Newmans aren't supposed to be able to use ranged weapons on the same level that Casts can't use techs-- where Casts can't use techniques due to technological limitations, Newmans can't use the big Ranger weapons due to some physical limitation. I suppose it's due to having low body weight and poor strength (small ranged weapons like handguns are fine, but the kick produced by a rifle might result in permanent shoulder injuries, for example). Also consider whatever the heck it is that reduces their accuracy.

[Weeaboolits]

...I still want to. ._.

[HAYABUSA-FMW-]

...I still want to. ._.
You may have to wait until expansion PSZYOU part 2 many.

I heard you can play as a Dolmolm, fux the rappies and their cosplayz this time.

[Tensu of the moon]

According to PSO's continuity, Newmans aren't supposed to be able to use ranged weapons on the same level that Casts can't use techs-- where Casts can't use techniques due to technological limitations, Newmans can't use the big Ranger weapons due to some physical limitation. I suppose it's due to having low body weight and poor strength (small ranged weapons like handguns are fine, but the kick produced by a rifle might result in permanent shoulder injuries, for example). Also consider whatever the heck it is that reduces their accuracy.

of course that raises the questions as to why they can't take the kick of a gun but can stand on the front lines as a hunter. if you can take at least one hit to the face from a D-cellular sub lifeform, you should be able to handle the kick of a gun. not to mention if their skeletons are so weak, how do they survive swinging melee weapons around? that creates recoil too.

[HUnewearl_Meira]

not to mention if their skeletons are so weak, how do they survive swinging melee weapons around? that creates recoil too.

Who said anything about their skeletons being unusually weak?

[Chuck_Norris]

Hey, you guys. Stop being serious in my topic. This might get De-FKL'd. :disapprove:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42wooJKmCW4&feature=related

[Ketchup345]

Don't make me move this! :wacko:

[SpikeOtacon]

Don't make me move this! :wacko:

But what if one of us requests it? Doesn't that mean the opposite must happen?

[Chuck_Norris]

It'd get Re-FKL'd? ;o

[Larian]

Awww...the new rappies look sooo cute! =D

[Tensu of the moon]

Who said anything about their skeletons being unusually weak?

well, whatever physical limitation it is that prevents them from surviving the recoil of a firearm without permenant damage can apply to a melee weapon as well

[Nitro Vordex]

This can't be moved out of FKL. That's unpossible.

[TalHex]

its repossible

[beatrixkiddo]

WELL LETS MAKE SURE IT DOESNT


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgOx5IDQz9I

[TalHex]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUtbFZu7icY&feature=related
yay japanese music! i have no fucking idea what she is singing but the beat is nice

[Moo2u]

There has been very few topics to get de-fkl'd, bit it has happened!

[HUnewearl_Meira]

well, whatever physical limitation it is that prevents them from surviving the recoil of a firearm without permenant damage can apply to a melee weapon as well

Simply enough: They're squishy. Also, you'll gain a bruise far more easily from the butt of a rifle than from swinging a sword around. Seriously, the only thing they had that made the HUnewearl an effective hunter, was her enhanced casting abilities.

[HAYABUSA-FMW-]

Sooo who's making the cowboy char class page?

I nominate Cowboy Curtis.

[Chuck_Norris]

Sooo who's making the cowboy char class page?

I nominate Cowboy Curtis.

"I'M SICK OF THESE MOTHA FUCKIN' HUMARS IN MAH MOTHA FUCKIN' PHANTASY STAR!"

[HAYABUSA-FMW-]

Samurai L Blackxtion?

(It was actually 'Morpheus' Larry/Laurence Fishburn in the Pee Wee Cowboy role)

[Chuck_Norris]

(It was actually 'Morpheus' Larry/Laurence Fishburn in the Pee Wee Cowboy role)

Eh, they all look the same. :disapprove:

[HAYABUSA-FMW-]

Eh, they all look the same. :disapprove:
Cowboys or

you bastard. That better be a self-disapprove.

That generalization only applies to cavemen. Lang Whitaker said all cavemen look the same to him when interviewed on VH1's I love the New Millenium about Geico's cavemans, and that's gangsta Omar and Dave Zirin can appreciate!

[Chuck_Norris]

Cowboys or

you bastard. That better be a self-disapprove.

That generalization only applies to cavemen. Lang Whitaker said all cavemen look the same to him when interviewed on VH1's I love the New Millenium about Geico's cavemans, and that's gangsta Omar and Dave Zirin can appreciate!

Chuck Norris is above racisim. Therefore, all races look the same to him.
..Except Elephants. He knows the difference between Elephants.

[HAYABUSA-FMW-]

Chuck Norris knows everybody homo-............
erectus.
Heh.

Smell ya later ergastus.

Homo-Ergastus in googlin' = a youtube that's 9 secs yet feels much longer, no audio and also sweet.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EP3tq1Na93U

[Tensu of the moon]

Simply enough: They're squishy. Also, you'll gain a bruise far more easily from the butt of a rifle than from swinging a sword around. Seriously, the only thing they had that made the HUnewearl an effective hunter, was her enhanced casting abilities.

but it was said that it caused serious harm to the shoulder. swinging a huge weapon full force into the exoskeleton of an altered beast or the outer shell of a sinow zoa is going to send some significant recoil up through the arm.

[TalHex]

i would offer to do the physics for it but frankly i don't care enough

[Weeaboolits]

but it was said that it caused serious harm to the shoulder. swinging a huge weapon full force into the exoskeleton of an altered beast or the outer shell of a sinow zoa is going to send some significant recoil up through the arm.Well, the reason they didn't in PSO is that they had pretty much the exact opposite of the stats a ranger would want, they had the worst accuracy and attack power and hardly any defense or hp. Regardless, I wanted them, even if they'd just play like a RAmarl with worse stats. ;~;

[Sord]

perhaps they are all just near-sighted

[Tensu of the moon]

perhaps they are all just near-sighted

they seem to be able to aim techniques well enough.

[Sord]

they seem to be able to aim techniques well enough.

they have AURA VISION (epic echo voice) they can see the spiritual energy of other living things and aim at that. when was the last time you ever saw a newman use techiniques for something practical, like lighting an actual fire, charging your batteries, cooling down a drink (or soup.)

[Gunslinger-08]

they seem to be able to aim techniques well enough.

it's ****ing magic, yo

[TalHex]

they seem to be able to aim techniques well enough.

how hard is it to aim a fricking fireball? you just point at the funny colored blob, zonde is homing

[Weeaboolits]

Techniques can't miss unless they actually MISS though.

[PrinceBrightstar]

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/6014/pslunarox2.jpg

I thought of this when I heard that character designer was workin on it.

[Moo2u]

A dragon? As a boss?!

How utterly absurd!

[Chuck_Norris]

inb4itgetsnamed"De Ra Goon"orsomesuchIdon'teven.

[Nitro Vordex]

it's ****ing magic, yo
IT'S NOT MAGIC, IT'S A TECHNIQUE.

*doesn't want to lose the religious part of PSO players*

:wacko:

[Tensu of the moon]

they have AURA VISION (epic echo voice) they can see the spiritual energy of other living things and aim at that. when was the last time you ever saw a newman use techiniques for something practical, like lighting an actual fire, charging your batteries, cooling down a drink (or soup.)

then how do they hit machine creatures?

and if they see all electircity and not just bioelectricity, which is the obvious awnser to the above question, how do they see in the mines, the ruins 1-2, seabed facility and in cave 3? wouldn't they go blind from all the electricity? not to mention the VR system...

and if they see some kind of life force, wouldn't they be blinded in the forest, cave 2, the outside areas of Gal De Val, and ruins 3, where organic matter is everywhere?

I miss with techniques all the time, mostly because the auto-targetting system directs my attention to nearby crates despite the horde of diminians closing in on my fragile yet nearly immortal FOmar... and then there are times when I get knocked down and get up again facing the wrong direction.

and no it's not magic, because magic is a pigeonholing word used by the ignorant masses to describe any energy they don't understand.

[TalHex]

haven't all those corny science fiction novels taught you anything? machines have souls too!

[Sord]

then how do they hit machine creatures?

and if they see all electircity and not just bioelectricity, which is the obvious awnser to the above question, how do they see in the mines, the ruins 1-2, seabed facility and in cave 3? wouldn't they go blind from all the electricity? not to mention the VR system...

and if they see some kind of life force, wouldn't they be blinded in the forest, cave 2, the outside areas of Gal De Val, and ruins 3, where organic matter is everywhere?

I miss with techniques all the time, mostly because the auto-targetting system directs my attention to nearby crates despite the horde of diminians closing in on my fragile yet nearly immortal FOmar... and then there are times when I get knocked down and get up again facing the wrong direction.

and no it's not magic, because magic is a pigeonholing word used by the ignorant masses to describe any energy they don't understand.

then perhaps they just straight up see electricity (hell, sharks can freakin sense electrical pulses, why not newmans?) there's also the possibility the robots have traces of falz cells or whatever infecting them.

[TalHex]

so sort of like a dark sense? that would work to in VR considering VR is meant to trick the senses

[Sord]

oh, also the chance they could be infected with Falz "spirit." We no some sort of evil aura/presence exists about him, considering all the techers go nuts in the one quest in the ruins after sensing him and (we can only guess) being possesed.

[Tensu of the moon]

that's true. the game constantly says that the D-cells are what made the machines malfunction.

and no, machines do not have souls because they are not lifeforms.

[Nitro Vordex]

Machines could be considered alive because of self awareness, but I'm not 100% sure on that subject.

[Tensu of the moon]

machines are not self aware. they simulate self awareness.

[Nitro Vordex]

machines are not self aware. they simulate self awareness.
Simulate? How the hell do you simulate self awareness? You're either self aware or you're not. If they have self awareness, and are capable of feelings, they could be legally considered people. (See:PSU)

[Tensu of the moon]

no, they simulate emotions. they don't actually feel them. you simulate self-awareness by being programmed to say something a self-aware person would say.

consider Lura, who, in pso3, becomes self-aware by having Sophia's heart placed in her

thus, if she was not self aware before, but was self aware afterwards, androids are not truly self aware. before she could only simulate emotions, but once the heart begins to take full effect, she says everything is different now.

or at least, if memory serves. It's been a LOOOOOOOONG time since I've run through the Ep3 story.

[Nitro Vordex]

I really don't think there's some way to "simulate" emotions. That's pretty much saying you have emotions but you don't.

In a sense, people are creating "people" by programming their (essentially) existence.

PSO is a bad example, as there are plenty of games that treat robots/androids as people, or at least citizens. If I remember right, in PSO ep 1, you had the quest with the android who was looking for Zoke. She seemed to be have feelings and emotions, despite them being "simulated". She and also Elenor seemed to be self aware.

Also, another example would be Calus. (EP2) He was just a program, yet in a sense he had gained self awareness. He attempted to turn into a human, but it didn't happen. Calus had apparent feelings, and he obviously liked Elly.

oh wait, those are just simulated, so he obviously didn't like her. ;)

[Ranmaru]

or at least, if memory serves.

:wacko:

[Nitro Vordex]

Memory serves steamy bacon.

[Ranmaru]

MEMORY FORGOT TO SERVE ME MY FUCKING FUD!!!!

[Nitro Vordex]

WHERE THE FUCK IS MY COKE?

[Ranmaru]

SHIT BETTER COME BACK AND GET ME SUM SOUP

[Tensu of the moon]

oh wait, those are just simulated, so he obviously didn't like her. ;)

exactly.

[Ranmaru]

Memory hasn't served yet. :disapprove:

[Tensu of the moon]

then refresh it.

[Ranmaru]

WAT? IT HASNT COME TO SERVE ME MY FUDDDDD D:

[Nitro Vordex]

exactly.
http://media.tumblr.com/1vnWCPZWQ9fd1s1k1zTvXUJM_500.png

[Tensu of the moon]

no, I think you're missing my point.

emotions can be simulated. it's as easy a querry/responce. but they are not the actual chemical, electrical, and as some would say, spiritual processes. therefore, they are not real emotions.

[Nitro Vordex]

so then your not really simulating emotions, you're just making answers.

I don't know, I think spirits could easily invade or occupy a robot.

[Tensu of the moon]

and that's what happens with lura. but it is not the norm.

[Ranmaru]

I think so too, they CAN be real emotions if they WANT to FEEL THEM.

[Nitro Vordex]

This is all speculation, and I have no desire to carry it any further.

Also, there isn't really a norm anymore.

WHERE THE FUNK IS MY GODDAMN COKE?

[Boogie Troll]

Until we can put a heart in a robot and give it emotions, I'm going to side with Nitro on this one.

[Tensu of the moon]

I think so too, they CAN be real emotions if they WANT to FEEL THEM.

but they can neither want nor feel. they can only query and respond.

[Nitro Vordex]

but they can neither want nor feel. they can only query and respond.
If you want to think of it by pencil and paper ideas, then yes.

however, if you think of them as a person, their feelings are very real.

So let's see. Ah, here we go: Megaman X. Game person, android or "Reploid" as they called him. he can think and feel for himself. Are you saying that's an outright lie? That he really can't think, he's just a hunk of machinery? That he doesn't feel remorse for those he had to kill, that he doesn't feel hope for the future?

Quit being so close minded.

[Ranmaru]

Yes, try thinking outside the BOX. :wacko:

[Tensu of the moon]

of course, you're thinking in game terms and I'm thinking real world. it's easy to write about a machine that can feel, but inventing one is a different matter altogether. of course, inventing a machine that can feel has an underlying level of malice to it.

[Ranmaru]

You simply don't get it. :disapprove:

[Tensu of the moon]

what do I not get?

[Nitro Vordex]

what do I not get?
What you're not getting, is the speculation. You're making your arguement totally one sided. I'm talking about real life things too, just using video game/sci fi analogies, because it's much easier than to try and compare in real life. Since we have limited knowledge on spirits and such, it's only natural that people(such as you from what I'm seeing) would assume(lol) that machines that think and act on their own with emotions are just simple things. I would regard a robot that acted like that as a living thing. If it knew such a thing as death, it wouldn't want to "die". Or be terminated.

I don't know how you can call that "real world" thinking, when that kind of thinking is extremely varied.

[Chuck_Norris]

The hell have you guys done to my topic? Do something relavent! Like posting youtubes!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ac6fZf5HhkA&feature=related

[Nitro Vordex]

If it's in FKL, IT'S NO LONGER NEEDED.

Also: Youtubes? Can do.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdZW-4wQkcE

[Chuck_Norris]

It was in FKL from the start. :disapprove:

EDIT: Post better Youtubes, Nitro. (Although that was pretty funny)

[Nitro Vordex]

My point exactly.

[Chuck_Norris]

I thought this was FKL-worthy. :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65I0HNvTDH4&eurl=http://7.gmodules.com/ig/ifr?url=http://www.google.com/ig/modules/youtube_videos.xml&nocache=0&up_prefs_version=

[Nitro Vordex]

Fix'd for you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65I0HNvTDH4

Good job Chuck, I loved it.

[Sord]

easier to argue humans as machines rather than machines as human

[HAYABUSA-FMW-]

The only problem with EP3 is that not enough people played it, so it may be rendered not a major part of the PS continuity, despite the PSOW community and its knowledge of it.

And Nitro smells like limburger.

(Our old Ep3 forums, I believe there were 2, count em, 2!
Have long been merged into regular PSO General. Ask IanaI-CalusMan, he's old like me!)

[Ranmaru]

I like EP3. :3 I'm only clvl 20. : <

[HAYABUSA-FMW-]

Ohsnap.

We still have an Ep3 general.

:self-laid-off: