PSU (lack of) update discussion

[Neith]

Oh wow. :disapprove:

At least I can go hunt Rappy Latans- no, because I already have every one of their drops barring Pumpkin Trick (and I don't even WANT that).

Seriously, the updates are getting worse and worse :disapprove: How long is ST going to hold off on Carnival? I don't particularly care for it (only want Yasha/Falclaw from it), but it's obvious we're being drip-fed here.

This, ladies and gentlemen is the start of 'PSOBB syndrome'. First the content updates slow down to a terrible pace, then stop altogether.

[Orrefe]

This, ladies and gentlemen is the start of 'PSOBB syndrome'. First the content updates slow down to a terrible pace, then stop altogether.

Does no one remember PSO GC?

Bi-tri monthly updates were common [and I don't mean 2 or 3 updates per month], and that was before they had to create new content; I'm pretty sure there was almost a year gap before the end of some of the DC quests [OLD. DREAMCAST VERSION QUESTS, BTW] and Episode 2 Challenge 1.

It may seem similiar, but its really not as bad as any incarnation of PSO as far as updates go.

Frankly, the updating wouldn't feel so bad on PSU if they promised once a month updates, and they'd probably give us exactly that; real updates once a month. The real problem is that they promised more, and they aren't delivering. THAT is the real frustrating part.

[Xaeris]

That's not quite the same. PSO GC was released with all stages available, on all difficulties selectable from the outset with no level cap but the maximum of 200. It's disingenuous to say PSU has a better update schedule when most of those updates are just releasing the equivalents in bits and pieces.

[Orrefe]

PSO was also a ridiculously smaller game

Fine, should I compare it to BB then, where that is simply not the case?

[Xaeris]

That's the other problem. Given how much bigger a game PSU is when compared to any incarnation of PSO, it's only reasonable to expect the flow of updates to be superior considering how much easier it should be to break off chunks from the whole.

[Neith]

Does no one remember PSO GC?

Bi-tri monthly updates were common [and I don't mean 2 or 3 updates per month], and that was before they had to create new content; I'm pretty sure there was almost a year gap before the end of some of the DC quests [OLD. DREAMCAST VERSION QUESTS, BTW] and Episode 2 Challenge 1.

It may seem similiar, but its really not as bad as any incarnation of PSO as far as updates go.

Frankly, the updating wouldn't feel so bad on PSU if they promised once a month updates, and they'd probably give us exactly that; real updates once a month. The real problem is that they promised more, and they aren't delivering. THAT is the real frustrating part.

Considering I played PSOGC for oh, a few years, of course I remember it.

PSOGC was also on one unified server. We DO have content in the future for PSU, but it's being rolled out so damn slow that everyone will have quit before we have the rest of it.

I would GLADLY take one large update a month over this- because what we're getting is, quite frankly, laughable. I'd have quit a long, long time ago if I didn't have friends who make the game fun for me.

[BIGGIEstyle]

*clears throat*

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

*clears throat again*

Now that I've joined in with the masses. Thanks for the posting Espio. I'm glad that we're finally getting the lobby, I'm sure all the new players are excited about it. I know I've got a ton of people who'll be stealing me to farm Halloween rares so I'm happy to see the update.

Everyone else, enjoy whatever else you're doing other than PSU, glad to hear you're doing that instead of polluting all the new players into thinking their game sucks.

[Eleina]

Everyone else, enjoy whatever else you're doing other than PSU, glad to hear you're doing that instead of polluting all the new players into thinking their game sucks.
They need to know the truth!

[Powder Keg]

*clears throat*

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

*clears throat again*

Now that I've joined in with the masses. Thanks for the posting Espio. I'm glad that we're finally getting the lobby, I'm sure all the new players are excited about it. I know I've got a ton of people who'll be stealing me to farm Halloween rares so I'm happy to see the update.

Everyone else, enjoy whatever else you're doing other than PSU, glad to hear you're doing that instead of polluting all the new players into thinking their game sucks.

It's actually a lot more rude to make them spend their money and then find out later.

[BIGGIEstyle]

It's actually a lot more rude to make them spend their money and then find out later.

Did you enjoy the game when you first started? Did you enjoy the game while you still had things to occupy your time? If so, then why not give them the same chance?

If you started a game- at any point in it's life (dead or not)- and were interested enough to pay that first fee for it, would you like it if everyone who played the game made you feel like a horse's ass for doing so? Probably not.

I understand where all the people who have done everything they can currently are irritated at the lack of new content, but some people have plenty left to occupy themselves, and others still just started a week ago!

I understand wanting new content and this game having nothing left to offer for a lot of you, but shit, think of the people who do! You are inadvertently taking the dagger that Sega has stabbed our game with and are pushing it in with each new player you scare away from the game.

I'm not trying to save anything anymore because one person can't make a difference to a corporation, but at least think of the other people who have the opportunity to experience everything you've already enjoyed for the first time.

I understand being angry, but show some consideration. Just as much money is coming into this game as all of you leaving. And most of you will come back. PSU still has some life in it. Don't kill it yet.

[Cracka_J]

Everyone else, enjoy whatever else you're doing other than PSU, glad to hear you're doing that instead of polluting all the new players into thinking their game sucks.

what new players

[Powder Keg]

Did you enjoy the game when you first started? Did you enjoy the game while you still had things to occupy your time? If so, then why not give them the same chance?

If you started a game- at any point in it's life (dead or not)- and were interested enough to pay that first fee for it, would you like it if everyone who played the game made you feel like a horse's ass for doing so? Probably not.

I understand where all the people who have done everything they can currently are irritated at the lack of new content, but some people have plenty left to occupy themselves, and others still just started a week ago!

I understand wanting new content and this game having nothing left to offer for a lot of you, but shit, think of the people who do! You are inadvertently taking the dagger that Sega has stabbed our game with and are pushing it in with each new player you scare away from the game.

I'm not trying to save anything anymore because one person can't make a difference to a corporation, but at least think of the other people who have the opportunity to experience everything you've already enjoyed for the first time.

I understand being angry, but show some consideration. Just as much money is coming into this game as all of you leaving. And most of you will come back. PSU still has some life in it. Don't kill it yet.


Totally valid points, but who are they going to play with?

[BIGGIEstyle]

what new players

If you want me to name them I can name a few off the top of my head, although I'd have to log in and check my cards for most of them.

Lessee here, there's Suzie Homemaker (new to PSOW as well), Safer Sephiroth, Pyro Leader, EasyBakeOven (also new to PSOW).

Over the past month or two I've met and partied with about 15 or so new players, and I'm sure they're not the only ones. It's easy to miss new players when you got 4 capped characters and never run low level missions. I'd've missed them if I didn't recreate one of my alts.

And before you make the point that I can't know if they're new or just a new account unless I know them: that's true, but why lie when someone asks you if you're new to the game?

And Artea to reply to your question: Me. Autumn. Everyone else who still has enough to do in this game- or likes it enough- to keep paying and playing.

Hell, there's even a guild forming that most of the newer players are joining. I know guild don't mean dick to some people, but if they're in a guild they're guaranteed to have a group of people to play with.

[Cracka_J]

yeah, you are right. I don't play low level missions anymore, so I don't notice any new players coming into the game.

props to you though if you are spotting them and giving them warm welcomes.

[BIGGIEstyle]

yeah, you are right. I don't play low level missions anymore, so I don't notice any new players coming into the game.

props to you though if you are spotting them and giving them warm welcomes.

Well like I'm complaining about, there's a lot of negative out there and I'd rather the newbies get to see the good stuff the game has to offer before they have to deal with all the negativity.

[_tsunami]

Not intentionally adding fuel to this dispute but
Biggiestyle is correct, I myself have been spotting new players even ones with psu vanilla just starting but with the currect pitch forks and negative players online its not very welcoming and thus the cause of the attrition in new players.. have yourselves to blame.

For those complaining about what new players or what population what have you done to contribute to the whole PSU experience? Its important to see the bigger picture, your scary off new players and population yourself. The game is actually fine as it is especailly for newcomers, its like we've been spoiled by seeing what updates JP get constantly, or another analogy one kid sees another kid receives candy, the kid crys and chucks a insane tantrum (baw baw baw). gee you'll get your turn. even tho there are ten post a day about our delayed updates I'm sure sega of america already knows they suck but im pretty sure they are also trying otherwise they would of giving up on any further updates already.

Kudos to you tho biggiestyle

back to topic hurray for halloween :) (doesn't hurt to smile for once)

[Shinko]

sigh.... another nasty update

[-Crokar-]

already nothing better to do on psu now we have a couple weeks of holloween so we can get horrible looking rods with horrible stats YAAAAAAAAAAY. why dont they just shut down the server now and get it over with.

[bp_shoruko]

how incredibly predictable. Lucky I have fallout 3 to keep me busy...

[Trey]

... grand :(

[Arika]

Not intentionally adding fuel to this dispute but
Biggiestyle is correct, I myself have been spotting new players even ones with psu vanilla just starting but with the currect pitch forks and negative players online its not very welcoming and thus the cause of the attrition in new players.. have yourselves to blame.

For those complaining about what new players or what population what have you done to contribute to the whole PSU experience? Its important to see the bigger picture, your scary off new players and population yourself. The game is actually fine as it is especailly for newcomers, its like we've been spoiled by seeing what updates JP get constantly, or another analogy one kid sees another kid receives candy, the kid crys and chucks a insane tantrum (baw baw baw). gee you'll get your turn. even tho there are ten post a day about our delayed updates I'm sure sega of america already knows they suck but im pretty sure they are also trying otherwise they would of giving up on any further updates already.

Kudos to you tho biggiestyle

back to topic hurray for halloween :) (doesn't hurt to smile for once)

QFT.
yes, I mentioned this before.

[Chibi_psu]

Not intentionally adding fuel to this dispute but
Biggiestyle is correct, I myself have been spotting new players even ones with psu vanilla just starting but with the currect pitch forks and negative players online its not very welcoming and thus the cause of the attrition in new players.. have yourselves to blame.

For those complaining about what new players or what population what have you done to contribute to the whole PSU experience? Its important to see the bigger picture, your scary off new players and population yourself. The game is actually fine as it is especailly for newcomers, its like we've been spoiled by seeing what updates JP get constantly, or another analogy one kid sees another kid receives candy, the kid crys and chucks a insane tantrum (baw baw baw). gee you'll get your turn. even tho there are ten post a day about our delayed updates I'm sure sega of america already knows they suck but im pretty sure they are also trying otherwise they would of giving up on any further updates already.

Kudos to you tho biggiestyle

back to topic hurray for halloween :) (doesn't hurt to smile for once)

Peple like you here and on psu forums is why i almost never post and the reason why sega doesnt care about us.

[Uncle_bob]

JP onry.

Watch what happens when the servers die.

Some guy will start up a private PSU server from his basement, and it will surpass the "official" servers in every way.

I welcome a server shutdown. :wacko:

[Masterflower]

I'm about ready to petition Sega and ask that they just make a Babblefish plugin for PSU and give us untranslated updates from now on... lol.

That would be an excellent idea, no onr cares to read what npcs say..... (at least i read what they say....)


how incredibly predictable. Lucky I have fallout 3 to keep me busy...

With attitudes like that, this doesnt help to our dying cause. XD

[Kinako78]

What annoys me more than the complainers are the people who willingly take whatever Sega throws at them. Last week's Bladed Legacy fix didn't work, and there's no mention of it being fixed this week. All we get this week is a lobby (that may as well be late for how close it is to the actual date), one new weapon (which will only drop in one mission, and it sucks anyway), and new Casino items (which I'm willing to bet will be the Hallowe'en music disk and nothing else besides a possible rotation). That is a pathetic amount of content. I would actually RATHER Sega just give us the Bladed Legacy fix than try and pass this off as a quality update.

The game may be fine for newcomers, but a) there's barely any newcomers anyway- I've seen a few, but not enough to rescue the game, plus most will just quit after seeing how sparsely populated the game is, and b) what use is the game being good for newcomers when there'll be no-one else to play it with?

You can't just blindly ignore all the 'I quit' threads and complaints, and pretend nothing is wrong. The game has been in a dire state for the last few months with people quitting every week. Take off the rose-tinted glasses for just a minute and look at the servers before defending Sega to the ends of the earth.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. We're not "taking whatever Sega throws at us". Some of us actually still enjoy playing this game, lack of updates or no. The lack of updates is disappointing, I'll admit, but there's still lots of things to do. And for everyone who's sick of running WB just cause everyone else is doing it, come find me! I just do whatever mission I'm in the mood for a lot of the time when I'm soloing on Phoenix. And I don't defend Sega in any way. SoJ seems to have all but stopped giving a damn about their players in other countries and Japanese 360 players (all 10 of them?) are paying for it, as well. It's sad that SoA can't take a firmer stand in making SoJ give us our updates.

[lumia fanatic]

whao go kinako lol for your foot down :)

[desturel]

Some of us actually still enjoy playing this game, lack of updates or no.

This is all that needs to be said on my part. I have 8 semi-dedicated friends (3 of whom are JPN 360 players) that I can contact whenever I need them for missions (FoI. PF, etc), but I also don't mind running solo for a week searching for an item in a mission no one else does. Why? Because I don't get into the whole "this game sucks because we don't get what the Japanese get" circle jerk that many others get into.

[lumia fanatic]

No, we don't. We may be scaring off new players, but the only reason we're even complaining is that we're getting, quite frankly, a joke of an update. Add that to service and updates that have been sub-par for months (pretty much since the Error 65 MAG problem) and it doesn't paint a pretty picture. It's not our fault PSU is dying, it's Sega's.



I've told friends about the game IRL, none were interested. In game I've helped out new players (a few months back I gave meseta to some new players who'd just started playing). I've done my share for PSU, as have most other people.



What annoys me more than the complainers are the people who willingly take whatever Sega throws at them. Last week's Bladed Legacy fix didn't work, and there's no mention of it being fixed this week. All we get this week is a lobby (that may as well be late for how close it is to the actual date), one new weapon (which will only drop in one mission, and it sucks anyway), and new Casino items (which I'm willing to bet will be the Hallowe'en music disk and nothing else besides a possible rotation). That is a pathetic amount of content. I would actually RATHER Sega just give us the Bladed Legacy fix than try and pass this off as a quality update.

The game may be fine for newcomers, but a) there's barely any newcomers anyway- I've seen a few, but not enough to rescue the game, plus most will just quit after seeing how sparsely populated the game is, and b) what use is the game being good for newcomers when there'll be no-one else to play it with?

You can't just blindly ignore all the 'I quit' threads and complaints, and pretend nothing is wrong. The game has been in a dire state for the last few months with people quitting every week. Take off the rose-tinted glasses for just a minute and look at the servers before defending Sega to the ends of the earth.

neith i just think you need to calm down i mean sure sega has made cockpit of psu but the the main aim of the game is to get friends and play with them not to just get updates every two weeks do u no how hard it is to keep everyone happy on just one game i mean sure i dont like sega because they havent broguht out the carnival but do you see me bitching like a little baby NO! but its not fair on them give them A BREAK!! if u dont like it move to japan and go on there server!or if your goin to moan so much then just quit yourself! i like the game the way it is and kinako yea people do WB all the time because its the easiest mission for money and MP( well not mission points ) lol but the point is i think we should just be happy what we get!!! because im sure with ppl givin sega a hard time its taking longer and longer!!!! :etongue::-x

[Neith]

Whoa, whoa, whoa. We're not "taking whatever Sega throws at us". Some of us actually still enjoy playing this game, lack of updates or no. The lack of updates is disappointing, I'll admit, but there's still lots of things to do.

I didn't say I wasn't enjoying the game- I said I'm sick of the quality of updates/customer relations. I don't run WB either (I actively detest the mission after it was spammed so much after it released), so I haven't ran it in weeks. I'm always running the missions barely anyone runs, mainly the PSU v1 maps.

I don't think SoA is really at fault either, most of this is because of SoJ's stance on the western servers.


neith i just think you need to calm down i mean sure sega has made cockpit of psu but the the main aim of the game is to get friends and play with them not to just get updates every two weeks

Ironic, because the only reason I'm still playing is because of my friends. You can only run the same missions for so long before they get old.


if u dont like it move to japan and go on there server!or if your goin to moan so much then just quit yourself!

Do you even realise how shortsighted that statement is? Protip: Not everyone speaks/reads Japanese. I myself wouldn't have a problem (I can read Katakana fine, and I have no interest in story missions anyway), but I won't move to the JP server because I don't see why I should have to start over (and miss out on several one-time only items), just to enjoy the game with a reliable update schedule.

What you said is almost as bad as the people who say 'if you're sick of PSU, why don't you quit'. Do they not think people like me would have quit if there was another viable option? Like many have said, I have no problem with PSU- I like the game. What I don't like is how it is handled.


i like the game the way it is and kinako yea people do WB all the time because its the easiest mission for money and MP( well not mission points ) lol but the point is i think we should just be happy what we get!!! because im sure with ppl givin sega a hard time its taking longer and longer!!!! :etongue::-x

You just complained yourself a page back about Hallowe'en dragging on too long, and wanting the Mission Carnival. Again, ironic.

For as long as people are happy with mediocrity, that's all we'll continue to receive.

[Cracka_J]

Neith iz b smart.

But ya, thanks for typing that up, saved me the trouble.

Nice quote in your sig too, I was just listening to that album on my drive to work ;o

[_tsunami]

wow quotes.. a tantrum is a tantrum except its gone to a 3 yr old tantrum now quoting me and hijacking this post with tantrums just proved my own point thanks.
im not defending sega i already said they know they suck. But if you dislike this so much quit (no viable option? bwahahaha is this a bodily organ we're talking about? theres 10 others like this) or take it up to them (a complaint form) instead of making a exhibit of yourself. No one here wants to hear your tantrums. and oh yeh im wearing Prada specs thank you they cost $800.

P.S. no point in replying anymore you know the lesson of the day is supposedly sega doesn't update because we don't baw and throw our diapers at them. (sarcasm)

Tantrum away
_tsu

[Cracka_J]

no viable option? bwahahaha is this a bodily organ we're talking about? theres 10 others like this

Okay, go ahead and name just one game that offers the same gameplay, graphical style, and fun factor as PSU. If there's so many options, that should be easy, right? Just one.

I'll tell you right now I've played a massive amount of games in my 28 years of vegging on this planet, I used to test them for a living. There is nothing on the market that offers the same experience as PSU.

Shitty management or not, it is one of a kind. I've always admitted to at least that much.

[RegulusHikari]

Ignoring the walls of text, I just want to say dis:

I don't see scaring off new players as a bad thing; I think of it as doing them a service.

[Kinako78]

I didn't say I wasn't enjoying the game- I said I'm sick of the quality of updates/customer relations. I don't run WB either (I actively detest the mission after it was spammed so much after it released), so I haven't ran it in weeks. I'm always running the missions barely anyone runs, mainly the PSU v1 maps.

That's pretty much what I run, too, are v1 missions. Only exceptions are Dancing Birds, Scarred Planet, and Lightning Beasts. I'd be doing Electronic Brain, too, but it's a pain to solo. Let's team up sometime. :)

As for everyone else...um...no comment.

[RegulusHikari]

Btw, Halloween lobby is not effect any big event related.
In JP, They got Halloween during 1-Up
They got chrismas during MAG
They got Valentine day and White Day during degeki.
They got Sonic birthday during Darkness event.

We also experience Halloween during 1-UP and Easter Egg during MAG before.

I don't know when will we get the lighting festival, but I do know that you can't just assume it from Halloween period.


That's all fine and dandy, but you forgot to add one small bullet to that list.

We aren't JP.

And while that doesn't seal the deal it's important to note that while SoA has shown that they CAN just as easily do the things JP does, they don't exactly have the track record to back up that claim. SoA has deviated from the JP update schedule just as much as (if not more than) they have followed through with it. Just because it can be done, doesn't mean it will. In fact, SoA has shown more of a favoring to Murphy's Law than to the JP update schedule.

And don't toss your "pessimism" and "negativity" at me. I'm being realistic. If it appears to you that I'm being negative or pessimistic, then that simply is the reality of the situation then, isn't it?

[Arika]

You aren't JP, that is why I added our past event that crush with important day like what I mentioned above (why do I need to say this again? 1-Up + halloween, MAG + easter, and what kinako added "fire break + sonic bday) , it is the same fact that Halloween event can't affect anything.

About the complain, I didn't say that you can't complain, and I totally know why you want to complain. However, I don't really care anything more than just to point out for you that it is soooo wasting time + waste your emotion to do it here.(why do you want to waste your energy? what are you getting from doing so?? ) If you feel like you must do it to get a life, then please continue~. Not that I care what you do to somebody else.
But yea, people always think that our only messager between US server and JP server is chillaura (even we don't even know that he really did it or not. Actually, he might not even be able to write JP.) Anyway, he quit now, if anybody want to start a constructive thread to vote for our voice representative. Then, it would be better than ranting. Actually, I have somebody in my mind, but I don't know if he will actually have time or not. (name start with Es)

[II_Tokio_II]

Anyone want to relate about the glitch or the postpone.
http://www.pso-world.com/forums/showthread.php?t=153380

[Dark Emerald EXE]

Actually, I have somebody in my mind, but I don't know if he will actually have time or not. (name start with Es)

Hmmm this is an interesting thought
*if i have the same person you have in mind*

I think he would be great at it,but as u stated not sure if he would have time.

[lumia fanatic]

You just complained yourself a page back about Hallowe'en dragging on too long, and wanting the Mission Carnival. Again, ironic.

For as long as people are happy with mediocrity, that's all we'll continue to receive.


neith yea ok i did complain about the halloween lobby but that is a one day event of the year so im not complaining that much and by you saying the lack of the updates ...well lets just say your being a cryer about it >.> we should get what were given like i said before its not sega's fault they only just moved didnt they? so its going to take them a while to sort everything out thats why i think they made the universe avalibility less because it would be to much to handle to put the updates on every universe thats probably why pc/ps2 users have only 10 universes and we have 20 so at the end of it im not bothered what we get because its just a game ... so case closed!

[Sinue_v2]

Gee, this really makes me wish I hadn't let my subscription lapse and spend my money on something a bit more fun and worth my dollar - like Methamphetamines. Why do I have a feeling that 065 will return to bite me come Lightning Carnival like it did with MAG?


This is the way the game ends. Not with a bang, but a whimper.

[Cracka_J]

However, I don't really care anything more than just to point out for you that it is soooo wasting time + waste your emotion to do it here.(why do you want to waste your energy? what are you getting from doing so?? ) If you feel like you must do it to get a life, then please continue~.

Sadly Arika, the same argument can be made against the people trying to defend SEGA on either this board or the main boards.

Message boards are message boards. They are kinda intentionally there as a gigantic time waster. If you don't want to read people's messages, there's always the ignore feature. Ignore anyone that complains for all I care (you won't have many people to talk to if you do that though lol).

Ignoring, to me, takes away a bit of the fun of boards imo :)

[Neith]

neith yea ok i did complain about the halloween lobby but that is a one day event of the year so im not complaining that much and by you saying the lack of the updates ...well lets just say your being a cryer about it >.> we should get what were given like i said before its not sega's fault they only just moved didnt they? so its going to take them a while to sort everything out thats why i think they made the universe avalibility less because it would be to much to handle to put the updates on every universe thats probably why pc/ps2 users have only 10 universes and we have 20 so at the end of it im not bothered what we get because its just a game ... so case closed!

I'm apparently being 'a cryer' and you were the one complaining about no Festival. :lol: Sorry, I find that pretty funny.

Sega moved offices months ago, there is no excuse for incompetence now. Besides, if you'd have read what I posted, I don't blame SoA for any of this. SoJ are the ones we get the updates from (which are then translated into Engrish), so I'm resting it squarely on SoJ.

I would comment on the rest (how it apparently would be 'too much to handle' putting updates on every Universe), but it's not even worth the effort. All I'll say is that the update team are paid to add updates to the server. It shouldn't matter if there's one Universe or 100.

tl;dr: We have a right to complain about service of this quality, and you must be blind to think otherwise.

Oh, and as I've now said on numerous occasions (protip: learn to read my posts), I ENJOY THE GAME. I hate the service that goes with it though. As Cracka pretty much took the words out of my mouth, let me echo it.

Show me ONE other online game that has:
- Sci-fi setting
- In-depth character creation
- Ability to solo easily enough or party
- Similar combat mechanics to PSU (this means no 'click on enemy, grab popcorn, watch battle, repeat until tired')
Then, if you do find one, convince all my friends to play it too. I think you'll find we're happy with PSU itself, just not Sega's manhandling of it.

The only one that comes to mind except PSU is...PSO. I played PSO since 2003, I'd rather not play it any more.

[Rust]

Hmmm this is an interesting thought
*if i have the same person you have in mind*

I think he would be great at it,but as u stated not sure if he would have time.

You both omitted an important point though.
Does that person (and I know who it is) really want to do that and become the new baw&hate scapegoat (now that Chill isn't there for that anymore) once everyone will have realized it didn't change anything ?

[Cracka_J]

You both omitted an important point though.
Does that person (and I know who it is) really want to do that and become the new baw&hate scapegoat (now that Chill isn't there for that anymore) once everyone will have realized it didn't change anything ?

Exactly. I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

We've all seen how SOA/SOJ have acted from the player's perspective.
Anyone who has seen that pov knows exactly the failboat they'd be stepping on board by taking that position. I would never want to see someone who's done so much for the community be corrupted by their bad business ethics. I believe that's likely why Chillaura is leaving in the first place.

That job is doomed. Like I said in my post in the chillaura thread, there's much better jobs out there for honest, reliable people. You just gotta do a little work to find them.

[Arika]

We don't even know that chillaura did really contact them in JP or not, they might ask a middle person to translate their language, and it end up getting some confusion result in all the buggy/delay update.

and Cracka J, you don't get my pointyou can think my word as an advice that will only do it once. I did it because I see you guys doing something so wasting time, and still have negative effect to the game you love also. As I mentioned, if you guys already saw my message and still consider that it is better to continue the complain, then please do so, I don't really mind. it is all for yourself.


As for me, I m not defending Sega at all, I see every things base on real system adjustment, but I m not one side seeing that hear SoA complain everything to SoJ fault alone too. (it is easy to throw the flam to somebody you can't talk with)

Q&A:
Q:love PSU?
A:very much, but service very suck.
Q:Why not complain?
A:because it is useless, what will they reward me for complain?
Q:Complain for improvement on service?
A:That won't happen, people here complain like a century, and the service keep getting worse.
Q:Then what to do?
A:I rather do nothing than do anything if everything I can do is a useless effort, but I m sure that they is always something that I can do to make it better.
Q:How?
A:First, we need to find out all the cause of this stupid update, It is unfair to hear everything from SoA alone. I already PMed to some suitable person and hopefully, he will work something out when he has time.

[Tyreek]

Perhaps this will enlighten you.

http://pso-world.com/forums/showthread.php?t=153311

^ ^

[MissCelsiusX]

I hate sega

[Cracka_J]

We don't even know that chillaura did really contact them in JP or not, they might ask a middle person to translate their language, and it end up getting some confusion result in all the buggy/delay update.

and Cracka J, you don't get my pointyou can think my word as an advice that will only do it once. I did it because I see you guys doing something so wasting time, and still have negative effect to the game you love also. As I mentioned, if you guys already saw my message and still consider that it is better to continue the complain, then please do so, I don't really mind. it is all for yourself.


As for me, I m not defending Sega at all, I see every things base on real system adjustment, but I m not one side seeing that hear SoA complain everything to SoJ fault alone too. (it is easy to throw the flam to somebody you can't talk with)

Q&A:
Q:love PSU?
A:very much, but service very suck.
Q:Why not complain?
A:because it is useless, what will they reward me for complain?
Q:Complain for improvement on service?
A:That won't happen, people here complain like a century, and the service keep getting worse.
Q:Then what to do?
A:I rather do nothing than do anything if everything I can do is a useless effort, but I m sure that they is always something that I can do to make it better.
Q:How?
A:First, we need to find out all the cause of this stupid update, It is unfair to hear everything from SoA alone. I already PMed to some suitable person and hopefully, he will work something out when he has time.

You say I'm wasting time complaining, yet you take your time to write a Q/A on why we shouldn't be complaining.

Arika, you're chill and all most of the time but this is some pot/kettle nonsense.

We've already been discussing this via pm anyway, why did you feel the need to drag it back into the open?

[Dark Emerald EXE]

wow look what sega is doing.......making friends fight one another

i think this was their master plan all along :-o

[Masterflower]

The fact that SoA's servers and SoJ's servers arent the same is stupid, All these delays and failed updates annoys me even more. If JP can successful implant an update, why cant the same be used for us... Dont bs me and tell me translations cuz text and easily be changed as suppose to modifying designs and stuff. I cant get over translating text requires months for complete translation...

This is what happens when ppl try to change stuff, LEAVE IT ALONE DAMMIT!!!!

I forsee us getting carnvial if not be christmas time then Valentines day, and us getting Winter Event in Summer lol

[Reyane]

I'll admit I've been disappointed in the lack of updates. Well, lack of quality updates. I've been waiting for items to finally appear on our servers for over a year in some cases. I just feel like there's not a whole lot for me to search for anymore. I'd love an agito, of course, but I've only ever seen one drop in 2 years. I keep paying my subscription fees but I sometimes wonder where they go. I still play with my friends from time to time, but we're all burnt out on the lack of new stuff. I hope every week that this will be an update that holds our attention. It's sad to go from total addiction to a game to indifference. I go for days now forgetting to log in for my coin. I guess it's become a bit like a marriage in crisis, I still love it, but things have gone stale. I keep seeing news updates that begin with the word "Phantasy" and click immediately, only to discover that it's about a new incarnation for another platform. I'm happy that it's expanding to more users, but could the attention shift back to all of us? We are the reason these new games are being developed. It just seems that they've only been paying token attention to us while developing these new ones. Hopefully the focus will expand to include us again soon. :)

[Arika]

general idea:
-complain behind = not improving anything, just for enjoyment or harm that person in backstab way.
-complain at front = ask a person to improve.

to Cracka_J (http://www.pso-world.com/forums/member.php?u=43734) If you think the PM is first then you didn't look here first then.
PM is for clarify my point to you alone, because you indeed skip reading my past message and only quote for the few part. If you read it all since started you didn't misunderstand my goal.
TO me, I spend my time to write that Q&A to give suggest to everybody who is complaining. So that is definitely not a waste of time. Since I know every complainer will always come back to look at this thread anyway. The job is done when they look the message I wrote. I don't care if they will continue worthless stuff or not. I already told you that is it one time advice. Unlike you, your rant message will not likely to be looked by developed team.

In any case, I thought you complain because you want this game to be better, but now you told me in PM that you want to make this game shutdown rather than this. Then your complain will not be useless anymore. Since it really an effective way to destroy beginner, just continue it as much as you want. I respect you, even you want the different ending than mine. I don't want server shutdown. and I will do what I can.

[lumia fanatic]

I'm apparently being 'a cryer' and you were the one complaining about no Festival. :lol: Sorry, I find that pretty funny.

Sega moved offices months ago, there is no excuse for incompetence now. Besides, if you'd have read what I posted, I don't blame SoA for any of this. SoJ are the ones we get the updates from (which are then translated into Engrish), so I'm resting it squarely on SoJ.

I would comment on the rest (how it apparently would be 'too much to handle' putting updates on every Universe), but it's not even worth the effort. All I'll say is that the update team are paid to add updates to the server. It shouldn't matter if there's one Universe or 100.

tl;dr: We have a right to complain about service of this quality, and you must be blind to think otherwise.

Oh, and as I've now said on numerous occasions (protip: learn to read my posts), I ENJOY THE GAME. I hate the service that goes with it though. As Cracka pretty much took the words out of my mouth, let me echo it.

Show me ONE other online game that has:
- Sci-fi setting
- In-depth character creation
- Ability to solo easily enough or party
- Similar combat mechanics to PSU (this means no 'click on enemy, grab popcorn, watch battle, repeat until tired')
Then, if you do find one, convince all my friends to play it too. I think you'll find we're happy with PSU itself, just not Sega's manhandling of it.

The only one that comes to mind except PSU is...PSO. I played PSO since 2003, I'd rather not play it any more.
yes neith fair enough well why dont you complain then since your so up beat about it all because i no for a fact what would happen nothing would be sorted even if you did complain or not so thats why you havent bothered have you?

[Neith]

First:

Why am I the first post now? :wacko: I didn't make this thread XD

Second:

There's little point complaining to Sega, because nothing will get done. People have tried that route- SoJ doesn't care. All that leaves is somewhere like this where people can vent their frustration at a great game going to waste because of various degrees of incompetence.

[Rust]

First:

Why am I the first post now? :wacko: I didn't make this thread XD

Drag' moved all of that mess to a new thread. :wacko:

[BrandonHeat]

The topic is just about update discussion not ANOTHER flame fest so please leave ST alone and PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE if you are complaining about the game *coughs* then go play something else already. Fable 2 is awesome and you can have a 7 way!!! ^^V

[Ezodagrom]

Did you enjoy the game when you first started? Did you enjoy the game while you still had things to occupy your time? If so, then why not give them the same chance?
I used to enjoy it when I first started, before AoTI, when it didn't take a few weeks to get to lvl 80+ (not counting events), when A rank weapons and meseta were harder to get, at lvl 40 - 50 I was getting my first 8* weapons, only got 9* around 60 - 70 (I started playing a few weeks before Cost of Research was released).
About rares, S ranks, I'm not saying they should be as hard to get as on PSU v1, but not so easy that they're sold on players shops for less than store A ranks...In my opinion, maybe the rare rates for all missions (AoTI and v1) should be a bit lower than they are now on v1 missions and on events and GBRs like they are now on AoTI missions (maybe just a little bit higher).
There's also JP getting S3 v1 missions with enemies 10 - 20 lvls below their current cap (well, at least lvl 140 - 160 enemies is alot better than leaving those missions with lvl 80 - 120 enemies)...
*stops ranting*
Oh well, to me it doesn't matter anymore...I'm gonna quit soon anyway (my account ends in like 3 weeks). I might come back for shred the darkness event, but after it I won't come back until at the very least ep3 chapter 7 and 8 are released (if the PC/PS2 servers are still alive by then).

[Kylie]

It always confuses me when they split threads. :-x

Meh, I find it hard to believe that were eight months behind, but I know it's a fact. I just don't want to believe it's gotten that bad. :( I stand by what I've said all along though that the events are the roots of all the problems. Think about it:

FB: fine (iirc)
1UP: late
Winter Festa: late
MAG and MAG2: lol
Carnival: late

What REALLY screwed us up was that the expansion has basically been event after event, and SOA just ain't good enough to keep up with it. ST seems to be having issues too, which is funny because they planned them. :roll: And it sucks because they can't not give us the events... imagine the complaints, but they can't leave us months behind either.

I think it's really shitty too because an expansion based on events was a terrible idea. Because some people lose their desire to level between events because they'd rather wait for the 250% experience, and people stop hunting and synthing for the same reason. I can guarantee you that the same BS will happen with the Shred The Darkness event, the one after, and MAG+ (lol). Then we'll be even further behind unless they do something drastic.

[EMPYREAN]

Because some people lose their desire to level between events because they'd rather wait for the 250% experience, and people stop hunting and synthing for the same reason.


im 1 of them. ther is no point at all to lv upp normaly when u know ther is gonna be a BIG xp boost in events.

kinda wish they removed xp boosts from events.

[Sinue_v2]

Sadly Arika, the same argument can be made against the people trying to defend SEGA on either this board or the main boards.

The people who so highly defend Sega against really any and all criticism - who see themselves as the paladins and vanguards of the game, saving it from the negativity which enshrouds it... they always seem to remind me of battered housewives who will continually come back to their abusive relationship. Sega only hits you because they love you, isn't that right?

The complainers seem more to me like the butched up militant dikes who have had it with their past abusive relationships and nag and whine incessantly about how evil men (Sega) are. Some go completely over the fence (those that quit), and some still get a little on the side.

Me, well I guess I'd say I'm one of those militant dikes who still get a little on the side on their own terms. I still like PSU, but as I've said before - I'm not about to sit back gently patting Sonic Team's hand and telling them it's alright everytime they shit their pants before making it to the bathroom. They're supposed to be professionals. They're supposed to be running a successful buisness. It's high time they started acting like it.

Also, as Neith pointed out - complaining does do some good. It's a vent, a release, for the frustrations fans and customers of the series who are dissatisfied with the service and the bludgeoning of their beloved phantasy by thick, dispassionate, and apathetic barbarians.

[SeanxFayt1993]

If you want me to name them I can name a few off the top of my head

The fact that you can name some of the new players clearly means there aren't that many... lol but yea I mite get back on psu pc/ps2 kuz it really had time fly for me lol

[Dark Emerald EXE]

Eh depending on if i get fable II in the mail.... I'll either continue leveling my bullets for GM or just get on halo 3 and team swat....i actually think thats a funny playlist XD

[Cracka_J]

Just to clarify something that was said earlier.



In any case, I thought you complain because you want this game to be better, but now you told me in PM that you want to make this game shutdown rather than this. Then your complain will not be useless anymore. Since it really an effective way to destroy beginner, just continue it as much as you want.

Before this thread was created and Drag put a cease/desist order on the other thread, I had pm'ed Arika clarification on this. Just so this doesn't break out in potential flaming that my only intention is for the servers to shut down, here was my reply. Thanks.


You're damn right I love/care about this game. That's why I see the best move for it atm to be a server shutdown. At least everyone would have some closure with the game and be able to take all those great memories with them. The future of everyone slowly leaving and PSU becoming a desolate wasteland is not a memory I want to have of the game.

[autumn]

The fact that you can name some of the new players clearly means there aren't that many... lol but yea I mite get back on psu pc/ps2 kuz it really had time fly for me lol

Or it means someone plays attention to their surroundings. I myself look for new players so I can make their experience enjoyable. Obviously the same cannot be said for a number of the older players...

[SeanxFayt1993]

Or it means someone plays attention to their surroundings. I myself look for new players so I can make their experience enjoyable. Obviously the same cannot be said for a number of the older players...

well yea it means a lil bit of that too but the fact that you can keep track mean that there aren't that many to keep up wit lol w/e tho... I won't be able to enjoy the game til its packed again...

-Started on release day
-Ended June 21st 2008 :/
- I miss the game but segac keeps givin the shaft w/ the updates.... not worth 10$ if they can't get they shit straight

[Rayokarna]

Things I've picked out from this 'disscussion'

Fact:

PSU is a good game
PSU has bad management
"Majority" of the population is bored
This is a 'one of a kind game on the market'
Yu-gi-oh has gotten pretty big in London all of a sudden.

Opinion:

Complainning is bad.
Figuring out what is the best way to run the server.
The opinion of others.

Im going to stand at a nutural point and say this.

This server is dying it doesn't matter how you see it, it is dying. For the people that say that the server amount don't mean anything because you play with friend, then thats cool, but the thing you play with your Friend will go soon. Currently there is nothing we can do(and it seems our GMs are starting ot think that too) so all we can do is sit and wait. Oh yeah, anyone thinking that supposed 'expansion' is coming to our servers can forget it.

What SoA needs to do is get a deal to with the server under their own will. Until then, we may never be able to see a decent online PS game.

[autumn]

well yea it means a lil bit of that too but the fact that you can keep track mean that there aren't that many to keep up wit lol w/e tho... I won't be able to enjoy the game til its packed again...

-Started on release day
-Ended June 21st 2008 :/
- I miss the game but segac keeps givin the shaft w/ the updates.... not worth 10$ if they can't get they shit straight

I'm sorry. Its the only thing I can say to the people who have quit. I can entertain myself on PSU for hours and I'm sorry other people can't take pleasure in the game I like so much. I wholeheartedly support the gtfo if you aren't playing this game sentiment though. If you don't like it quit whining about it and leave other people to their happiness. But then I don't like being doom and gloom all the time.

[WHlTEKNIGHT]

The worse thing is that with the Halloween lobby at the moment it reminds me of this time last year, when the game was at its best.
1UP was awesome but at the moment it is sooooo boring, the should have tested the event when we had no updates in the summer.

[Brainwrecked]

I think it's really shitty too because an expansion based on events was a terrible idea. Because some people lose their desire to level between events because they'd rather wait for the 250% experience, and people stop hunting and synthing for the same reason. I can guarantee you the same BS will happen with the Shred The Darkness event, the one after, and MAG+ (lol). Then we'll be even further behind unless they do something drastic.

While I beg to differ that events a great way to maintain interest in a game, I agree that the insane rate boosts for EXP and drops kill any incentive for vets to continue on during normal game time. The insanely low drop rates and rare spawns during non-event times doesn't help. The only time I've seen the rare version of the Svaultus is during 1UP. I've only ever seen the Psycho Wand drop once in Sleeping Warriors.

After MAG2 there was the Neudaiz GBR that had one new mission. Fine enough, but horrible slowdown issues marred the event. On top of that, with only one new mission, NGBR started getting old after a couple of weeks.

All we've had since then is Bladed Legacy and some new clothes -- whoop. I'm happy to run a new mission into the ground, but after a couple of weeks it's just that -- running things into the ground.