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CrimsomWolf
Dec 3, 2008, 05:14 PM
Something that came to my mind recently. I figured that before I go to sleep I'll drop a bomb, and see results in the morning.


Now, serious time.

Outrider suggested that FKL... would secede from PSOW. Be independent. Joking aside, I think it's worth to discuss such possibility, at least with future in mind...


FKL has been around for long. It's just as big as PSU-General. It has that family atmosphere - whenever we laugh together, discuss, rant about mine & Talon's Kitsune spamming, listen more of Shin's "Toyota rules all" theories, read Tacts and Haya's remarks, watch the styles of our artists etc. FKL isn't just a part of PSOW.

Some might dare to say that its PSOW who is part of FKL.

And although we all have history with Phantasy Star series, it's not all that counts here, right? We're spammer forum, but not something like other spam forums.

We hang around together (FKLites) and are largely a group within group.

So why shouldn't we found our own forum? One totally devoted to FKL, with occasional Off-Topics?

Naturally, we cannot dismiss the necessities of managing it (site) - putting forum online, fixing bugs, making site designs etc.

So Ladies, Gentleman, Hermaphrodites or whatever you are *points at audience*
I want to know your opinions.

SpikeOtacon
Dec 3, 2008, 05:17 PM
We already have one.

Weeaboolits
Dec 3, 2008, 05:20 PM
Revolución.

CrimsomWolf
Dec 3, 2008, 05:23 PM
Yes, I realize.

I just wanted to spread the word around a little bit.

And get wider range of responses too...

SpikeOtacon
Dec 3, 2008, 05:24 PM
The main problem is that the forum cannot be linked, as it is not worksafe at all. It is an extension of the already existing FKL, but with less rules to allow for greater freedom of speech.

So, uh, PM me for details.

TalHex
Dec 3, 2008, 05:55 PM
i would be interested in joining, but as it is right now unless we get a large group willing its not worth it, that aside i think i might know a site that has free forums so PM me and i'll send the link

SpikeOtacon
Dec 3, 2008, 05:58 PM
i would be interested in joining, but as it is right now unless we get a large group willing its not worth it, that aside i think i might know a site that has free forums so PM me and i'll send the link


The main problem is that the forum cannot be linked, as it is not worksafe at all. It is an extension of the already existing FKL, but with less rules to allow for greater freedom of speech.

So, uh, PM me for details.

Allow me to explain: We already have a separate, FKL dedicated forum. It's being paid for, professionally hosted, with a domain name and everything. But it's been kept kind of hush hush except for the skype community because of the not safe for work postings that are made on it. The only reason we never posted about it on here was because we weren't sure if people would want it or not.

There is already 20+ members on the site, active posters. You can increase the numbers!

HAYABUSA-FMW-
Dec 3, 2008, 05:59 PM
Thanks for starting the discussion about a Suggestion Box item.


We hang around together (FKLites) and are largely a group within group.

So why shouldn't we found our own forum? One totally devoted to FKL, with occasional Off-Topics?

So of course, its simply, what is it that anyone needs to do in FKL that you can't already do now?

Get really crazy?

Yes, for doing so, beyond all parents and any other authority control, you must go "FKL in some other FKL." But not in sites already established like Wikipedia-as had happened before, don't go invading their sites to mess Duckamuck.

FKL cliques are frowned upon, but they happen. So we keep the peace that you don't go and headbutt eachother too much, simply for being different. "only 1 side is allowed to have bombs?" Yes. No. Yes. Already happens. Not fair, just the way it is.

What exactly is this plan to be a forum outside of PSOW & what benefits, pros (& cons) are you going to get out of this, Crimsom? (For Spike, already made, we don't need to know-nor do you need to disclose.) This is your idea to flesh out more, but do as you please outside the site. Changes to the site, this forum within the site, contact staff with your ideas in suggestion box, or more formally & direct manners.

Tessu
Dec 3, 2008, 06:13 PM
I'm not entirely sure what the idea is. Do you want the entire forum to completely move over to some new and improved ultra super secret private board for current FKLers that isn't PG? (or PG-13. I don't know what the rating is here.)

HAYABUSA-FMW-
Dec 3, 2008, 06:27 PM
(PG-13. the rating is here.)
Unofficial in that it isn't written down anywhere, but the rules about content allowable in posts basically make that clear cut.

Basically like, "T for Teen" on the games these forums are based upon, although many people here are of course not at that threshold but well past it. And the ESRB has changed that somewhat the last few years? Not just T for teen 13, but 15-16 age too? Remember that from somewhere.

FKL can change to more than PG-13, as previously it may have been(years ago, or even more recent), but you gotta act mature too/1st to be treated as mature you know.

CrimsomWolf
Dec 4, 2008, 03:03 AM
What I meant was as to whenever people were leaning towards opinion that FKL should independent from PSOW, being a separate, non-related site.

I was asking out of curiosity, since some people (here and in suggestion box) said about seccesion - I was intersted to see if they meant it by making an FKL an independent site *offically*, or something else.

geewj
Dec 4, 2008, 08:09 AM
It's like that one time I had to do some serious thinking, but something was really weighing me down. So I sat down and took a load off.

Like, whoa.

I had given birth to an idea so complex and pungent, that it could only be satisfied within a complex series of tubes, internettingly connected, and finally brought out within a mass of similar sentiments. And so what we did was we took this conglomeration, this ingest of results, and we laid it down to walk all over it. Heel toe through the mesh we danced, dug, cried. Slipping and spilling as we went, nonchalantly gripping at what sprang up.

For some though, the footing was too loose, and the grippings were few and far between. So we watched Lean on Me, signed a waiver, and promised them a good pull up when the time came.

Others were in the thick of it, and felt they had taken too much. Turned out they were full of it, and simply needed to take a load off.

Me though, I never did see my complex idea again. Turns out it wasn't even mine, just some tiny poop.



The moral of this story is that even though fiber is indigestible, it stretches your intestines and keeps you regular.

TalHex
Dec 4, 2008, 08:11 AM
It's like that one time I had to do some serious thinking, but something was really weighing me down. So I sat down and took a load off.

Like, whoa.

I had given birth to an idea so complex and pungent, that it could only be satisfied within a complex series of tubes, internettingly connected, and finally brought out within a mass of similar sentiments. And so what we did was we took this conglomeration, this ingest of results, and we laid it down to walk all over it. Heel toe through the mesh we danced, dug, cried. Slipping and spilling as we went, nonchalantly gripping at what sprang up.

For some though, the footing was too loose, and the grippings were few and far between. So we watched Lean on Me, signed a waiver, and promised them a good pull up when the time came.

Others were in the thick of it, and felt they had taken too much. Turned out they were full of it, and simply needed to take a load off.

Me though, I never did see my complex idea again. Turns out it wasn't even mine, just some tiny poop.



The moral of this story is that even though fiber is indigestible, it stretches your intestines and keeps you regular.

This reminds me of katamari for some reason

geewj
Dec 4, 2008, 08:31 AM
Stay away from my dung beetles.

raikomaru40
Dec 4, 2008, 08:35 AM
Uh-huh, yea, I think the FKL is fine here. The only reason to secede would be to abolish the PG-13 thing, but I'm fine with staying here. What's the URL for the independent FKL site?

Tessu
Dec 4, 2008, 09:22 AM
Hm, the problem I see with making an independent site would be getting new members. Or for that matter, actually getting people to move over. I know I'd certainly be forgetful about it and probably not even want to bother with signing up for a new website or anything when there's no problem being here. It's not like I've got any porn on my hard drive to post so the PG-13 rule doesn't bother me.

CrimsomWolf
Dec 4, 2008, 09:33 AM
Uh-huh, yea, I think the FKL is fine here. The only reason to secede would be to abolish the PG-13 thing, but I'm fine with staying here. What's the URL for the independent FKL site?

PM Spike 'bout it - that's the best way.

However, you have to register to view most content, hence the site was recently launched.

Kylie
Dec 4, 2008, 10:53 AM
Eh, good luck. Honestly, I've been turned off by the unwelcoming attiitude here for a while (I don't think that's a secret). If you can manage to get an active board that's to your liking, maybe it is for the best, and I mean that in the most neutral way possible.

SpikeOtacon
Dec 4, 2008, 11:36 AM
Eh, good luck. Honestly, I've been turned off by the unwelcoming attiitude here for a while (I don't think that's a secret). If you can manage to get an active board that's to your liking, maybe it is for the best, and I mean that in the most neutral way possible.

I've seen a lot of newcomers come in and find their place. Plus a lot of strides have been made by the moderation team to make new people understand FKL better. A lot of the floating stickies exist to aid not only current members, but new ones as well as they try to find a way to exist in FKL. Plus there are projects like the wackopedia which are made to help newcomers understand the history and culture here.

Just because we don't roll out a red carpet for each person doesn't mean we're unwelcoming.

Kylie
Dec 4, 2008, 11:49 AM
That's not what I meant, but it really doesn't matter. Just wanted to say I'm not against the idea.

Edit: Of this--

What I meant was as to whenever people were leaning towards opinion that FKL should independent from PSOW, being a separate, non-related site.

Sayara
Dec 4, 2008, 12:59 PM
I hear Jerusalem bells are ringing
Roman Cavalry choirs are singing
Be my mirror my sword and shield
My missionaries in a foreign field
For some reason I can not explain
I know Saint Peter will call my name
Never an honest word
But that was when I ruled the world

CrimsomWolf
Dec 4, 2008, 01:02 PM
I used to rule the world
Seas raised when I gave the word
And in the morning I sleep alone,
Sweep the streets I used to rule.

I used to roll the dice
Feel the fear in my enemies eyes
Listen as the crowd would sing *Now the old King's dead, Long live the King.

One of my favorite songs.

Sayara
Dec 4, 2008, 01:07 PM
Oh good call.

CrimsomWolf
Dec 4, 2008, 01:16 PM
I used to rule the world
Seas would rise when I gave the word
Now in the morning I sleep alone
Sweep the streets I used to own

I used to roll the dice
Feel the fear in my enemy's eyes
Listen as the crowd would sing
"Now the old king is dead, long live the king"

One minute I held the key
Next the walls were closed on me
And I discovered that my castles stand
Upon pillars of salt and pillars of sand

I hear Jerusalem bells a-ringing
Roman cavalry choirs are singing
Be my mirror, my sword and shield
My missionaries in a foreign field
For some reason I can't explain
Once you'd gone there was never
Never an honest word
And that was when I ruled the world

It was a wicked and wild wind
Blew down the doors to let me in
Shattered windows and the sound of drums
People couldn't believe what I'd become

Revolutionaries wait
For my head on a silver plate
Just a puppet on a lonely string
Oh, who would ever want to be king?

I hear Jerusalem bells a-ringing
Roman cavalry choirs are singing
Be my mirror, my sword and shield
My missionaries in a foreign field
For some reason I can't explain
I know St. Peter won't call my name
Never an honest word
But that was when I ruled the world.

I kida feel myself related to song... And it has nice tune too.

astuarlen
Dec 4, 2008, 06:50 PM
Eh, good luck. Honestly, I've been turned off by the unwelcoming attiitude here for a while (I don't think that's a secret). If you can manage to get an active board that's to your liking, maybe it is for the best, and I mean that in the most neutral way possible.

To do: Replace cold, unfeeling guards

http://www.meredith.edu/traveljournals/uk/images/buckingham-palace-guard.jpg

with cheerful greeters and festive signage

http://www.mockingword.com/feature-articles/images/walmart_greeter.jpg
[spoiler-box]http://www.happyworker.com/files/poster/office-sign-happiness.jpg[/spoiler-box]

Mixfortune
Dec 5, 2008, 05:16 AM
I'm just wondering what's so off about the board here that is being done wrong.
If it's the general rating, then of course that's our host's decision and not much can be done there.
If it's the little details, the knick knacks that turn the tide, that's what the suggestion box was made for.

Based on what we're looking at right now I can only assume it's the general rating that's the problem and the moderation is perfect as it is.

Outrider
Dec 5, 2008, 10:52 AM
Yeah, I don't actually think there's any need for a separate board.

Not sure why anybody needs to post NSFW stuff in their daily lives, but if you really feel that scantily-clad catgirls are a necessity, then sure, stick with another site.

Kylie - There is certainly some sort of hurdle for people joining the FKL community, but I think that's due to the casual nature of it. This is the spam forum, re-appropriated into a close, casual off-topic forum. People don't come here to discuss any specific topic, but instead to just joke around and waste some time.

When people first show up in FKL, there's really no topic that they came into the forum to discuss. They didn't come to ask about drop rates or to party up. It's a weird feeling, trying to insert yourself into the chaos. I certainly remember when I first came to FKL, it took a while to feel things out before I felt more comfortable here.

The big issues generally come when people try to force themselves to the front of each thread and try to act that simply posting on this forum makes them friends with the other FKL-ites. Of course, anybody is welcome to this forum. But they shouldn't expect a group of people who don't know them to instantly take them into the fold. This is true in any situation, but it's just more apparent in FKL since there are far fewer regulars in this forum than the others.

I'm rambling.

Kylie
Dec 5, 2008, 11:26 AM
I agree, Outrider. I think the main issue is how close knit people are here. To me, I think that they could try a little harder to be friendly to newcomers, but I understand that many of them don't think they have to. I didn't mean that people wait for threads by new people just to tell them to GTFO, and I said I meant it in a neutral way. I just know that it's not just my imagination... unless the several people I've talked to that feel the exact same way are imagining it too.

Boogie Troll
Dec 5, 2008, 11:32 AM
To me, I think that they could try a little harder to be friendly to newcomers

They were friendly with me.

SpikeOtacon
Dec 5, 2008, 11:38 AM
To me, I think that they could try a little harder to be friendly to newcomers, but I can't come to grips with the fact that they don't have to.

I fixed that for you.

Kylie
Dec 5, 2008, 11:46 AM
Heh, okay.

Outrider
Dec 5, 2008, 01:14 PM
They were friendly with me.

Who the heck are you?

Boogie Troll
Dec 5, 2008, 01:24 PM
Just some clown that thinks he's important.

Outrider
Dec 5, 2008, 04:10 PM
Just some clown that thinks he's important.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51UTHcsQRWL._SL500_AA240_.jpg
You're just some clown who thinks he's Batman.

HAYABUSA-FMW-
Dec 5, 2008, 04:47 PM
Batman scan coming soon to a FKL thread near you about, who in Batman has a "Cane sword?!"

This ain't no Blind Fury.

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Its also no secret nobody reports anything. Its no secret we'd like you to report what you are seeing that you don't like. Reports aren't 100% anonymous, but they will usually be treated that way. We don't care who reports anything, nor too much on the person being reported. Cleaning it up is in the best interest of you guys and staff.

This is no free for all, angry issues and yelling at eachother forum if you feel like it and the troublemakers should get a stern talking to for going to far and treating it as their stomping grounds or after school beat em up playgrounds.

There are cliques but none of them are cool, nor cooler than eachother. This isn't some sort of "cool-off" (contest), but people acting crazy need to cool off.

It used to be sort of standard to have people ask "who are you?" or further into poking and prodding to sorta make sure people had a tough enough skin to stick around. But really they don't care about that, you stick around long enough anyway, you're not really concerned with what the majority or silent-assumed-hidden majority think.

I could point you to some Rants about not getting along in FKL, or subjective funny quotes such as "we flamed that guy for months in FKL! but he's still here," or "hehe, you're okay man!" or even that time Sef said something to me when I was a newblet and I cried about it.

I think nowadays it isn't soo heinous and soo harsh to newcomers & I try to keep that balance since its just a spam forum anyway, no matter how many people you know here already or what your interests and talking point topics are about.

What I meant was as to whenever people were leaning towards opinion that FKL should independent from PSOW, being a separate, non-related site.

I was asking out of curiosity, since some people (here and in suggestion box) said about seccesion - I was intersted to see if they meant it by making an FKL an independent site *offically*, or something else.
Yes, you've said this repeatedly and its very vague. We know that part. By all means if you have a need to separate, go right ahead. Keep the differences in mind if you're going to be on both sites. But I know now its just your discussion started, and you're not the main proponent of such moves, you wanted everyone else's input. Don't feel on the spot, what I said is meant indirectly to those who may want to discuss it.

If you need things changed here so you don't have to break off, by all means open up.
Who what where why.