Purpose of the "c" weapons?

[Karazykid]

C apparently stands for crap. Ank Dedda has an attack of 1383 (or something like that) but Ank Deddac's attack drops to something like 480 AND has a higher requirement. it's the same with most weapons ending in c, they're all garbage. So what am I missing here? Are there just crappy weapons just to be crappy weapons or is there some hidden gem that's like JP only I don't know about?

[ashley50]

levelling PAs...it deals less damage?

And if you don't like them, don't use them? Why bother bringing this up?

[SabZero]

Kubara weapons are knockoffs, so they aren't as good as the original (mostly, have a look at Cometarac). They have a black texture and no brand names on them, so they are a novelty and just look better to some people. You know, people that aren't all about "big numbers" all the time.

Since Kubara knockoffs also lose one star, you should compare them to that original, not the one it knocks off.

Edit: Kubara weapons also lose some restrictions, like element. So if you want a non fire crimson, crimsic is the way to go.

[Will_Nonheim]

I'd assume the C stands for Copy, since all the Kubara copied weapons follow this scheme. And their purpose is probably to get a certain weapon without getting the proper Walnas? Some also like the black look over the weapon's normal design. There's a lot of reasons but the most obvious one would be "It's an option we've got".

And yeah, in some cases they make for some pretty good PA-levelling weapons, and in others they're just an acceptable alternative to having nothing at all.

[LOL]

I can't speak for all weapons, like Ank Dedda and Ank Deddac.

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[Magician]

C apparently stands for crap. Ank Dedda has an attack of 1383 (or something like that) but Ank Deddac's attack drops to something like 480 AND has a higher requirement. it's the same with most weapons ending in c, they're all garbage. So what am I missing here? Are there just crappy weapons just to be crappy weapons or is there some hidden gem that's like JP only I don't know about?

The kubara "copy" versions of the tenora, yohmei and GRM weapons often have more PP. So they're good choices when leveling photon arts; with melee weapons, with the deddac's lower atp you're killing mobs slower than you would with a dedda. As a low level character, you could argue that exp is more important than leveling arts. But if you're a level 150-160 character looking to level arts for a class you've barely played, leveling arts is more important than killing at max speed.

[Rambo!]

The guns usually go in reverse of the melee weapons having higher attack and less pp. They however loose the cool bullet effect which to me at least makes them less appealing except for the love infernoc because I hate the normal guns bullet effect. The true reason most of these weapons are in the game though is that it was easier for sega to reskin all the weapons black then to make new ones.

[Smidge204]

Many - but not all - Kubara versions also end up being better than their 'genuine' counterparts when fully upgraded, if not in ATP then in PP.

They are also easier and cheaper to synth, since Kubara Wood is much easier to come by than, say, Walna. Granted the success rate generally take a hit as well.
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[Tulio07]

Not like they advertise, but it does allow Sega to say that there are a lot more weapons in the game to find than there really is.

[DAMASCUS]

I still use Kubara force and range weapons for their high PP with frag PAs that have a high expenditure. This is especially important for the master classes..too bad fight master can't take advantage of that.

[majan]

how quickly people forget the roots of this game...

its funny how people who take this games wacky ass economy so for granted were not around before A- rank weapons and expert classes did not exist in any way shape or form.

c weapons are indeed completely useless to master classes. but to other classes they are good for pa leveling and for master classes to downgrade to another class in order to make pa leveling faster.but there was a time where c weapons were the lifeblood of the game.society doesn't go around talking shit about the little wooden #2 pencils we used in kindergarten,so don't go around knockin the basics of this game either.there was a time where everything wasn't so damn easy and simple,believe it or not.

[NOC G4ME v2]

hmmm you cant blindly hate on the kubara poducts.
rattlesnac 10/10 is way better then a rattlesnake 10/10

[beatrixkiddo]

Not if your goal is PP, which it is for me when it comes to rifles.

Shigga Baret vs Shigga Barec though... Barec beats Baret at 10/10 in every way except base ATA.

[Noblewine]

C rank weapons are good for when you restart or are just beginning. Some of the ones in the casino are just for show.

[Karazykid]

Why would you want the more expensive Kubara knock off for PA leveling when you could buy the lower class version of whatever weapon style? Sure, Crimsic has less attack and more PP then Crimson, but the C rank saber from Yohmei has LESS attack and MORE PP than Crimsic, AND costs less to buy.

[Ffuzzy-Logik]

Shigga Baret vs Shigga Barec though... Barec beats Baret at 10/10 in every way except base ATA.And looks.

[RemiusTA]

C apparently stands for crap. Ank Dedda has an attack of 1383 (or something like that) but Ank Deddac's attack drops to something like 480 AND has a higher requirement. it's the same with most weapons ending in c, they're all garbage. So what am I missing here? Are there just crappy weapons just to be crappy weapons or is there some hidden gem that's like JP only I don't know about?

Kubara Weapons?

No, thats just more proof of what I keep saying. The designer of this game is just a fucking idiot.

Kubara weapons are knockoffs, but any smart person designing a game would at least give them some kind of extra attributes, or at least DIFFERENT attributes than the original. Maybe some status effects, speed adjustments, range adjustments, SOMETHING. At least make them look better? But no, they're useless. The fact that they deal less damage for PA Leveling is, yes, the absolute most asinine reason to include an entire class of weapons in a game ever conceived.


Illegal knockoffs that are weak but have higher requirements than the originals. VERY smart idea, Segac. Makes alot of sense.

[Tyreek]

Have y'all... Read about Vish Deragac?

[Rust]

Their only purpose is to make people open threads about them on message boards.

Seems like it worked.

[Tetsaru]

The purpose of Kubara weapons is to prove that Segac is lazy and insists on reskinning everything that they can. =/

[darthplagis]

i take it you guys who are knocking the kubara stuff as "knock offs" have not tried an A/B test with the counter parts.

i have had a PSU account since firebreak and have had the original KUBARA CAST (frobot in disguise) ever since. now fro has been every class except fortetech and masters in his existence (over 2 accounts). i fondly remember making ryo-pistatorec and the likes and i still use them today (granted i have upgraded to S ranks now) but kubara is still my chosen brand.

kubara weapons on paper look slightly less powerful BUT in the real world they do hit more critical hits than those of the leading manufacturers (this is not the case with kubara only weapons like serafi and rucar etc) and as mentioned previously they generally are better when ground high.

as the case of the dedda/ac it certainly does do the same kind of damage in my tests with only minor loss of damage .

the main point is dont knock it till you have tried it and remember in the real world when someone makes a copy of a weapon they may leave out restrictions that manufacturers use as safety features thus increasing the damage dealt

[Vickie]

i noticed that (with Guns) the difference between kubara and Designer made weaps is, if the weapon seems like straight up garbage when its kubara for example: gur bazgac/ bazga, Astec/Asted, They are used for Status effect application, Rattlesnake definitely applies status effects better than rattlesnac but rattlesnac has that little power increase(not that big of a deal), But with guns it really doesnt matter Attack wise... If your bullet levels are high theres not much difference between a riflic and rattlesnac other than accuracy which doent increase with grinds, it all comes down to your effort on leveling your bullets, cuz when theyere high youll do decent damage with any weapon.

Just use whatever you think looks the Coolest "Kubara" is sorta like the ak47 , it'd be nice to have an M16 but an ak47 will get the job done.

[AweOfShe]

The purpose of Kubara weapons is to prove that Segac is lazy and insists on reskinning everything that they can. =/

No, that would be the purpose of bringing PSO weapons into PSU...

Then again, I guess most of them are Kubara products anyways... :P

Addendum: Kubara products are the Hong Kong bootlegs of Gurhal.

[Tetsaru]

No, that would be the purpose of bringing PSO weapons into PSU...

At least most of the rare PSO weapons were cool. PSU has a lot of cool weapons too, but the Kubara clones just scream laziness and poor design - there's NO reason why they couldn't have just given them a more appealing look with the same stats and a different name, so they'd be unique. Not to mention, most of the PSO weapons had special attacks/abilities and animations; significantly less items like that exist in PSU. A sequel in the series shouldn't regress like that, but that's Sonic Team for ya. >_<

[MrLeech]

I seem to of been using my B ranked Falcon for an eternity now! How do i level up to A rank?

[darkante]

I seem to of been using my B ranked Falcon for an eternity now! How do i level up to A rank?

You can go and change class when you have meet the requirement for that particular class.
It´s up on the 5th floor on the Guardians Colony, talk to the lady in the back to choose a other class. =)

Only way also to use A-ranks and over.

[MrLeech]

You can go and change class when you have meet the requirement for that particular class.
It´s up on the 5th floor on the Guardians Colony, talk to the lady in the back to choose a other class. =)

Only way also to use A-ranks and over.

oki, wll do, but how do i get my rifles skill up to A rank? do i have to get to ranger level 10?

[darkante]

oki, wll do, but how do i get my rifles skill up to A rank? do i have to get to ranger level 10?

You can use A-rank weapon at once when you have picked the particular class that can use them.
Ranger 10? Only for Fortegunner.

[MrLeech]

You can use A-rank weapon at once when you have picked the particular class that can use them.
Ranger 10? Only for Fortegunner.

Ah, got ya... i thought a standard ranger could use an A weapon as well, thanks Darkante

[Chaos320]

how quickly people forget the roots of this game...

its funny how people who take this games wacky ass economy so for granted were not around before A- rank weapons and expert classes did not exist in any way shape or form.

c weapons are indeed completely useless to master classes. but to other classes they are good for pa leveling and for master classes to downgrade to another class in order to make pa leveling faster.but there was a time where c weapons were the lifeblood of the game.society doesn't go around talking shit about the little wooden #2 pencils we used in kindergarten,so don't go around knockin the basics of this game either.there was a time where everything wasn't so damn easy and simple,believe it or not.


lol, i see one of the few first players to PSU

Its simple really...when the game first came out having a B weapon was god like, let alone affording it. The C rank has been around from the start of the game and sega just left them in for starting off players now, altho its no suprise that you will see a lvl 15 runnin around with an A rank sword now.

if you have the 360 download the demo and see how hard it was to even get money for anything, it was that way when it first came out. Everyone having a C rank weapon tryin to kill stuff was nothing, i remember having a (7) grinded rifle on my cast and i was a p.i.m.p. :D

[Yusaku_Kudou]

Kubara Weapons?

No, thats just more proof of what I keep saying. The designer of this game is just a fucking idiot.

Kubara weapons are knockoffs, but any smart person designing a game would at least give them some kind of extra attributes, or at least DIFFERENT attributes than the original. Maybe some status effects, speed adjustments, range adjustments, SOMETHING. At least make them look better? But no, they're useless. The fact that they deal less damage for PA Leveling is, yes, the absolute most asinine reason to include an entire class of weapons in a game ever conceived.


Illegal knockoffs that are weak but have higher requirements than the originals. VERY smart idea, Segac. Makes alot of sense.

Uh, hello... rifles and shotguns have higher Attack than their regular counterparts.

[Magus_84]

lol, i see one of the few first players to PSU

Its simple really...when the game first came out having a B weapon was god like, let alone affording it. The C rank has been around from the start of the game and sega just left them in for starting off players now, altho its no suprise that you will see a lvl 15 runnin around with an A rank sword now.

if you have the 360 download the demo and see how hard it was to even get money for anything, it was that way when it first came out. Everyone having a C rank weapon tryin to kill stuff was nothing, i remember having a (7) grinded rifle on my cast and i was a p.i.m.p. :D


I think the two of you are confusing "C-rank" (1*-3*) weapons with "-c" weapons (Kubara, example: Shigga Bomac).

Two different things.

I like Kubara versions of some things because the colors aren't as garish and fugly.

[NDW]

Have y'all... Read about Vish Deragac?

Indeed I have, I cannot wait until it is released. Incapitate LV2 on a whip will be fun!

[Tetsaru]

Uh, hello... rifles and shotguns have higher Attack than their regular counterparts.

Only when grinded to near-max, and there's STILL no good reason for them to look exactly the same as their "real" counterparts, just in grayscale and minus the effects. A newly-designed weapon with the exact same stats would be SO much more interesting than a blatant reskin. Sonic Team just fails, that's all there is to it. There's a reason why I, as well as many other people, continue to call them "Segac." I still use some Kubara clone weapons, but only for their PP stats. They look ugly and retarded. =/

[Smidge204]

Only when grinded to near-max, and there's STILL no good reason for them to look exactly the same as their "real" counterparts, just in grayscale and minus the effects. A newly-designed weapon with the exact same stats would be SO much more interesting than a blatant reskin. Sonic Team just fails, that's all there is to it. There's a reason why I, as well as many other people, continue to call them "Segac." I still use some Kubara clone weapons, but only for their PP stats. They look ugly and retarded. =/

Reason they exist: They are generally easier to get than their "real" counterparts, and they (generally) upgrade better. Also adds a little depth to the game world, IMHO - the idea that there is a genuine black market out there and such.

Reason they use the same models: They're supposed to be illegal copies! If they looked completely different they wouldn't be knockoffs - they'd be entirely different weapons... but I suppose your gripe is "why don't they just add more weapons?" - see above.

If you want more weapons that's one thing, but the whole premise of Kubara products is you can sacrifice performance for availability. Ebon, Walna and Ork* are slightly rarer than Kubara Wood...

And if you've got the resources and balls to grind them to at least 6/? (on average, it seems) you end up with a better weapon anyway.

=Smidge=
(*I'm assuming that there are/will be Kubara versions of 13*+ weapons, which will require Ork)

[darthplagis]

smidge you are on the right track with some of what you say, but the assumption that they are easier to find is way off. until recently the kubara guns didnt drop but had to be made from the SAME board as the original so it was a choice do you go for plain old common brand weapon or the slightly unstable but really cool KUBARA version.

and yes 13* have kubara, germinus ganuc, tiga de racac, ragan ragac all spring to mind one of which drops made AND can be made from a board with current drops

[Smidge204]

But my point is, the choice was more like: "Do I use this board now to make the Kubara version or wait until I can find/afford the materials to make the real version?"

Not easier to find, easier to get. There's a difference.
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