I win, and lose!

[rbf2000]

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze4bqz4/srank.jpg

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze4bqz4/slose.jpg

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze4bqz4/smech1.jpg

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze4bqz4/smech2.jpg

EDIT: I am Bu-EI #1, BTW.

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[GandorDurin]

You picked the Mechgun as well I see.

Too bad it doesn't even have a special!

I wonder if any of the S-Rank weapons are any good...

[Castoth]

Don't tell me Sega forgot to unban them on GC PSO as well...geez.

Obviously, don't ditch the S-rank weapon. Try going online with a different character that has the item or just wait until ST fixes the situation.

And yes, I believe all S-rank weapons suck this time around. S-rank partisan has around similar stats, at least as reported by Ah King for XBox PSO.

[Johan]

Wow. Sonic Team sure is amazing.

Morons. First the FSOD crap and now this? What the hell am I paying $9 a month for?!

[rbf2000]

WAIT, THERE'S MORE!!!!!

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze4bqz4/ban.jpg

[Castoth]

Those...morons...forgot to unban the S-ranks and now people are having their accounts suspended? Christ...

[GandorDurin]

Heh that sucks.
Well, I found out that it grinds to a max of 50. Which would be good, if the gun didn't have the accuracy of a blind man trying to hit a bullseye from 200 feet with a slingshot. Even if it had the same accuracy as my Vulcan, it adds about 10 damage per hit...Whoopdeedoo.

Still, nice having it...

Um on a somewhat unrelated topic...
Would I have to sit around for an extra hour and 20 minutes in C9 to get an A-Rank? My current completion time is 5:40:37. I'm curious as to how badly fudged the rings are as well.

[rbf2000]

Just do C1 over again.

[saffaya]

I wonder what the ST zealots will say this time.
You know, the ones that keep telling us how we are wrong to criticize Sonic Team, how they are still the best of the best, and that we should be ashamed of speaking badly of them.

How many more screw-ups due to incompetence will they need to open their eyes ? Guess it adds to the meaning of blind faith.

And one last thing, people are paying $9 a month for that kind of service. It's nothing like the Us V1 days when you could argue it's free, so don't expect much.

[GandorDurin]

Ah cool, thanks!
Well I tried just to be sure and yep, I too was booted for trying to bring my s-rank item online. Heheh.

[Johan]

So, let me get this straight - S-Ranks blow, and trying to take them online gets you banned?

I think I can unite with a few others in saying, "screw challenge mode".

[geewj]

so they forgot to unban S-ranks, doing another moronic thing. Raise your hand if you're supprised.

*...*

[GandorDurin]

The challenges were fun as heck (for me) but the reward's a little less...Well what am I thinking...There basically is no reward other than prestige and bragging rights. Too bad it will be impossible to impress anyone outside of the Lobbies...
"Check out my title!"
"Big deal, everyone has that these days."
"Yea but I got an S-Rank weapon, look at how pathetic it is!"
"Wow that _does_ suck, it must be an S-Rank! Now I'm impressed. Excuse me while I use any weapon because they're all better than that piece of junk."

[Johan]

I'm curious, did they do this (forget to unban S-Ranks) on DC ver.2 also? (I never played ver2.)

[Johan]

Though, I did just have a thought... It seems like there are more pages than necessary for challenge scores from what I've heard - perhaps they'll make an Ep2 Challenge Mode also? Maybe with better prizes?

[Hamo]

Oh..my..God...

We finally get C7-9...we finally are able to obtain our S-Ranks...only to discover that you could find more powerful weapons in normal mode! And guess what? Now I'm banned for 24 hours! Thank you Sonic Team for another fabulous blunder...Why should I have even expected it to go smoothly? They've screwed up time and time again...I'm so sick of this crap...Now I wonder f I should just cancel my account. They hardly deserve the $8.95/month for the absolute CRAP service they provide...

Er, sorry for the rant, but I've worked for this for so long and now ST tells me to bend over...

[rbf2000]

On 2003-02-10 01:48, Johan wrote:
Though, I did just have a thought... It seems like there are more pages than necessary for challenge scores from what I've heard - perhaps they'll make an Ep2 Challenge Mode also? Maybe with better prizes?


There is a spot for scores from a second (ep2) challange mode to go in your scores under the status menu, so I would say that is a safe guess.

[Blood_Dragoon]

Man that sux. . .

I think I'll label all my S-rank weps "Shit" from now on. . .

And the whole ban thing blows too. . .

[Castoth]

Well, if all S-ranks grind to +50, then at least the mechguns might be useful. They should be about as strong as Red Mechguns...

[Johan]

Yeah, with less than half the ATA (I think). http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif

[Bloodberry]

Well that's making C-mode seem less and less appetizing. I assume everyone who's been banned gave ST a friendly jingle?

[Johan]

I certainly hope so. As for me, I'm not touching cmode with a 10' pole until this is fixed. I'm beginning to think I should have canceled my HL already...

[Barubary6]

1. Episode 2 challenge mode is being worked on. Only stage 1 is complete from what I can tell. >_<

2. S-rank weapons are banned only on American servers. In Japan the items are allowed. However, if a Japanese user brings an S-rank item onto an American ship, they get disconnected with no error message. When they come back online, they get the "Unable to play online game for 24 more hours" message immediately rather than the long message, because the Japanese logon server considers those items legal. The American server asked the Japanese logon server to ban them.

-- Barubary

[Johan]

Wow, Sonic Team is even dumber than I thought.

Thanks for the heads up regarding ep2 c-mode, Baru http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[dj_dan]

Ok, I'm pretty fucking angry right about now.
It's 3am,
I just got my S-Rank Mechgun,
it only grinds to +50,
I just got a 24 hour suspension,
what the FUCK!

Instead of writing down every derogatory word/phrase I can think of, I'll just ask something.
How can we be sure that this problem will be fixed after 24 hours?
I would think that a permanent ban would be the next step if you try logging in after 24 hours...
Fuck, fuck this fucking shit.
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[LollipopLolita]

i suggest calling them or filling out the form here

http://www.sega.com/community/profiles/pso_gcn/pc_front/gcn_pc_help_contact.jhtml;jsessionid=GAEAETLLUJSXS CRSBUFCNHAKGIGRIMS5

we'll be making calls tomorrow for sure.

[BurgerDog_]

I chose a sword. Mines is only grinded to 48, but SOURCE's is at 128. It wont be as weak as I thought it would be. So Mechguns only grinded to 50? That sucks, I guess I can erase that item off my items to get. I have 2 more characters that are C7 ready and another that is at C5. I'll choose twin and ?????????????.

[Castoth]

I guess the S-rank weapons would be considered mid-range rares. They won't blow away the best rares out there of their class but they are better than some of the lower end ones.

[LollipopLolita]

you guys wanna start posting srank weapon types and stats here, so we can update the database to reflect the new info?

[Johan]

Hmm. Besides BurgerDog, has anyone gotten a different S-Rank than Mechgun?

I'm curious to know the max grinds on each, as no doubt everyone else on this board is. If the sword has a max grind of, say, +200, it could be useful yet. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[BurgerDog_]

I already forgot what the base ATP was with no grinds. Do you want them fully grinded or not grinded?

Edit: 3:30AM sleepy and not thinking straight -- I just realized that I could deduct the grind and go back to base atp.


Here it is:
200 ATP (no grinds)
35 ATA



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[GandorDurin]

S-Rank Mechgun:

10 ATP
20 ATA
Max Grinder: 50
12 stars
No special ability

Also for those who haven't seen one yet, S-Rank weapons have a red name not a yellow one.

[Hamo]

On 2003-02-10 03:30, Johan wrote:
Hmm. Besides BurgerDog, has anyone gotten a different S-Rank than Mechgun?

I'm curious to know the max grinds on each, as no doubt everyone else on this board is. If the sword has a max grind of, say, +200, it could be useful yet. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif


I chose the S-Rank Twin, hoping to upgrade my Demolition Comet. For it to be better than the Demo though, it would have to be grinded to damn near +300 and there's no way I'm using that many grinders to test this "theory."

Now, if you'll excuse me, I think I'm going to curl up in a fetal position in the corner and cry myself to sleep...http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_cry.gif

EDIT: Ah, here are it's stats:

S-Rank Twin Saber
ATP +50 (800 req'd)
ATA +40
No special
12 stars



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[Johan]

Wow, so they're not all 10 ATP. Maybe there's hope for the S-Ranks yet. I wonder how the rifle is...

[CajunSamurai]

Jeez. I won't even try to defend Sonic Team for this crap. o_O This is pretty lame.

Either freakin' WAY, I'm one Challenge away from getting my banned weapon, whoohoo.
Are we booted as soon as we win the S-rank, or what? And if so, would that also ban us?
I'm fine with getting an S-rank, transfering it to my RAmarl offline (or HUcaseal, depends) and then not using that character online until this fonky "bug" is fixed. Hell, even if I have to wait through a 24 hour ban to get my damn weapon, that's fine with me...

Kind of pissed that these weapons sound so gimped though. It would've made sense to have all Challenges open around the beginning of the game's launch if the S-rank weapons are so crappy.
At least we can expect some real weapons on Episode 2's challenge mode. Of course, we'll have to wait another 6 months for that (at LEAST, I bet).

Bah. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_argh.gif Oh well, nothing is gonna ruin my fun with Challenge mode anyway.

[neko-chan]

On 2003-02-10 01:35, saffaya wrote:
I wonder what the ST zealots will say this time.
You know, the ones that keep telling us how we are wrong to criticize Sonic Team, how they are still the best of the best, and that we should be ashamed of speaking badly of them.

Ah ah! True. *sigh*

They will probably tell you to shut up because if you're not satisfied of the game you can simply quit playing it.

This is what those morons call "customer power". -_-

[BurgerDog_]

Sword also needs 800 atp to equip it. I'll still get a TWIN simply because they are my favorite type of weapon. As for better weapons in Ep2 challenge mode, I remember a friend telling me that there was new S-ranks. He told me about Musashi, Launcher, and a few other new ones. He [said] that he got the info off of the strategy guide from Japan. Those weapons (if they exist) need to be really strong because these S-ranks are weak.

[Pynix]

i believe you may be right... i think ST lowered the powers of the srank weapons of EP.1 to make way for the upcoming EP.2 srank weapons or whatever rank they will be called... perhaps ssrank?

anyway i think the best thing to do is to just wait... at least you can play on the JP server without getting banned is that correct?

[Elusive_Llama]

EDIT: Ah, here are it's stats:

S-Rank Twin Saber
ATP +50 (800 req'd)
ATA +40
No special
12 stars


Say what? S-Rank twin only gives you +50 ATP??! +50 ATP is pitifully weak compared to the Double Saber, stats listed below.

ATP + 150-152
ATA + 30
Max Grinder = 35
Special = Giest
Class = Twin Saber
Required ATP: 235
Stars: 9


I'm not holding out much hope for the S-Rank launcher. If this is any indication, it's stats will probably be

ATP -666
ATA -40
Max Grinder = 0
Special = Steals your HP to do absolutely nothing.
Class = crappy S-Rank
Required ATA: 210
Stars: 15 (you just can't see the other 3 stars)

[DemiPlat]

Wow, I just read this whole thread. I am, typically, one of those people that tend to rush to ST's defense when others try to slam them for some reason.

But this is ridiculous!

My RAmarl has got good times for c1-c6 and tonight my group and I were going to (finally) start on c7 enroute to finishing all 9 challenges and earning our s-ranks.

I am sure they will fix this glitch (banning people who bring s-ranks online that they earned onlined--D'oh!) but this is really embarassing for ST, imho.

Sorry you got banned for being a great player. Sheesh!

[Wewt]

I find all of this hilarious, yet I'm angry at the same time. Weird.

I wonder how much the server administrators get paid... I'd love to get paid for doing pretty much nothing.

[Elusive_Llama]

It's not so much the wrongful banning which gets me, it's the pitiful weakness of the S-Ranks so far posted. I mean, C-mode ain't easy as it is, and achieving a time below 7hrs is even harder, but yet the payoff seems so little.

I guess ST was aiming for a 'climb the highest mountain, swim the deepest sea' theme to c-mode. Surmount the near impossible, all for the satisfaction of knowing you beat c-mode under 7hrs. The S-rank weapons are like useless little souvenirs to remind you of the painful experience :/

[Pynix]

i'm sure the ban problem is an honest mistake... as for the ATP of the srank weapons... take a look at the previous post as to my explination for why i think the sranks are the way they are.

i'm sure if we just give them time they will be able to fix the problem. i bet at the moment they are rushing to get EP.2 cmodes out to satisfy our desires for better weapons. in all honesty i do think this mistake is silly on their behalf but even the best of us make mistakes sometimes right? right????

[DemiPlat]

If Ep I c-mode is sort of the "warm up" and those S-ranks are powered-down to relfect that, I can handle that.

Honestly, I play c-mode FOR the challenge and nothing else. To me, it's PSO at its purest, and I like that. I was lucky this time around and hooked up early with a great group of players, some of whom are c-mode gurus, which owns.

I am psyched to hear c-mode will be available later on for ep II. If THOSE s-ranks are high powered, I will be psyched.

Yes, I play for the challenge, but I really am looking forward to my s-ranks. Sounds like the sword is pretty goood in that you can grind it really high. Too bad the mech guns only grind to +50. Still, that's 41 more than Vulcans...

[MetalGriever]

I was going to wait until all 9 stages were up before I started on Cmode. I started on it last night with my HUcaseal, but after reading what I just read, I don't think it's even worth finishing. As for ep2 cmode, we'd all have to start at about lv 35 or so to even stand a chance against Olga Flow.

[Pynix]

if i'm not mistaken... EP.2 should be a continuation of EP.1 cmodes... meaning that only those players that have completed cmodes 1-9 should be able to procede. this not only ensures better story flow, but also does not waste the efforts of the players who successfully completed the previous 9 cmodes.

to be honest, i think some of the weapons are a lot harder to get than a cmode weapons. i mean after about 7 hours you can get an srank weapon which is supposed to kick serious butt... but it takes at least two times more to find a lavis cannon or MKB (BKB).

i guess the only thing we really can do is wait. by chance does anyone know the difference between dagger and twin class? not only do they hit differently but if they had the same ATP what are the advantages of each one? does twin have a greater range? or just the 2,1,3 combo is better than the 2,2,2??

thanks in advance

[Mag_Launcher]

Not only are S-ranks weak as hell, they don't even have the random super special they had in v2.

Yeah, that's right, random. But it wasn't ALL that good, seeing as it could give enemies (theoretically) level 40+ shifta and deband...

[TerribleDeliMeat]

i'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest a theory...

If episode 2 c-mode is a continuation of episode 1 c-mode, maybe the horrible S-ranks are just an ''in between'' weapon to the more powerful one you receive upon completing episode 2 c-mode. Or maybe you could even use these horrible s-ranks during episode 2 c-mode.

Either way, that ban thing is pretty lame.

[Kuja2k3]

Do you still get the Rings? I would hope so..

[Elusive_Llama]

the whole ban thing is pretty lame

But don't you see, 12 star weapons can't possibly be THAT weak, so therefore they must be h4x0r3d items made by....uhh...masochistic hackers. Yeah, that's it ::rolleyes::

[Guntz348]

Well my ban is lifted so you guys should be all set too http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[Pynix]

just going out on a limb here... but perhaps the EP.1 sranks can be combined with an item you recieve upon completing EP.2 making it an even better srank?

heh... just trying to throw out ideas...

[Elusive_Llama]

Just like how you can combine a fully ground normal sword with Parasitic Gene Flow to get one of the worst weapons in the game? http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif

[Elusive_Llama]

Somebody on Gamefaqs is posting that an S-Rank sword can be ground to +255. Is this even possible? If so, then there may yet be hope for the other S-Rank weapons, particularly the S-Rank twin.

[Munki]

I must say that Sonic Team fucked up this time... I don't mind the crappiness of the SRanks SO bad, I am sure there is going to be some sort of way to upgrade, or something like that... maybe the photon sphere?

But the ban crap is just sloppy craftsmanship. I can't even back em up on this one. Bugs are one thing, but this is just plain forgetfullness and stupidity.

And neko-chan, thanks for callin me a moron (as I was the one that said we have consumer power, and I still say we do)... if it makes you feel any better, I think you are a moron too.

Anyway, I guess I won't be worried about gettin an SRank for a bit...

[neko-chan]

On 2003-02-10 10:17, Munki wrote:
And neko-chan, thanks for callin me a moron (as I was the one that said we have consumer power, and I still say we do)

You're welcome. But don't be greedy: I was thinking also at some other few people while saying that word. ^_^

[Guntz348]

On 2003-02-10 09:58, Elusive_Llama wrote:
Somebody on Gamefaqs is posting that an S-Rank sword can be ground to +255. Is this even possible? If so, then there may yet be hope for the other S-Rank weapons, particularly the S-Rank twin.



No you can't. I tried grinding my mechguns (yeah i got mechs too) and they only went to +50 and that was all trigrinders so its still the old limits. ST ruined yet another one of our toys http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

[Riel]

I don't think EP2 CMode is a follow up to ep1 Cmode.Yesterday 4 of us wanted to start c1 but the game was made in EP2....as soon as i entered the game on the EP2 pionneer,i had a message in the top right corner saying i couldn't do Challenge mode because i had to many items and to get rid of some....that was right after the double save on entering..i could run and all but the message stayed there.When i moved towards my bank,it dissapeared,none of the other 3 players had that message....weird.

[Elusive_Llama]

Well, if a mechgun has +100 ATP from +50 in grinding, then it's not too shabby. That's about comparable to a Yasminkov 9000 (except the Yas has more ATA). I was thinking more of the S-Rank twin, which somebody said has +50 ATP base. If you could put some high grind numbers on that thing, say +350, that would be 350 x 2 = 700 ATP + 50 ATP = 750 ATP total, which would make it uber.

edit: re-read the post by Burger dog. Yeah, so the S-Rank sword can be ground past +99, perhaps even to +255 as some people are saying. What's the say the S-Rank Twin can't be ground the same way too? Anybody know if the Japanese stats for the S-Rank twin are up somewhere? Perhaps they already know the max grind on that thing.

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[rbf2000]

***************UPDATE*********************

I was unbanned this morning. So I went online to see if when I took my s rank out of the bank if I would be kicked. I wasn't. So I did another experiment. I went offline, and then tried to go back online with the s rank out of the bank.

Well, you could have guessed it, but I am once again banned.

YAY.

[BurgerDog_]

Hey, how long did you ban last? It hasn't been 24 hours since you got suspended. I want to know because it just happened to me. I misread the home page and tried to go online with my srank, I was welcomed with suspended message. This is your second time getting banned, right? Did it tell you to go on in 24 hours again?

[rbf2000]

When I was rebanned, it was the same exact two messages I got the first time I was banned. (First one telling me I had illegal items. Second one saying I was banned for 24 hours).

[HC82]

I recieve my Srank last night 2:00AM PST/5:00AM EST.

I WAS NOT BANNED.

I completed S rank on the US servers and Iam able to go online and use my Srank sword without any problems. If anyone wants to see me swing it around be my guest, I kid you not.

[Saladwood]

But did you have it equipped or in your backpack before you went online? Try going offline, equipping it, then quitting, then go online see if you get banned.

because you can actually have it in your bank and take it out online and play all you want.

[HC82]

Like I said I was in the forest swinging it around and even Xfered it over to my Hunter. Theres no doubt that people ARE getting supsended. I have no idea whats going on. Maybe if you have it on you when you first log on you get banned, but I was able to use it in a game with no problems.

[Axispoint]

For some reason I think every day I become more happy for sticking with Version 1, despite the NOL'ing and PK'ers...DC didn't have this many problems in it's first few months did it?

[edited to make my post look not so stupid]



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[Link00seven]

Sonic Team: WTF is ur problem??

They pulled this exact same shit on the Xbox Version too...damnit, DO SOMETHING RIGHT! Please?

[Blenjar]

On 2003-02-10 01:40, Prof_Frink wrote:
so they forgot to unban S-ranks, doing another moronic thing. Raise your hand if you're supprised.

*...*


-raise his hand high-

[BurgerDog_]

Here it is; your one way ticket to a suspension.
http://tails04.sonicteam.com/visualbbs/data/200302/2732.png
Get them while they still last, limited-time only!

[Rhete]

Why the hell hasn't Sega fixed this yet? I just got banned for forgetting about it and bringing a Gods Shield Suzaku online

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