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AOI_Tifa_Lockhart
Feb 12, 2009, 04:07 AM
Hiya all,

I'm pondering if the chances of a rare mission are higher depending on your character's home planet? I've noticed that with my 2 beast characters FOI has appeared so many more times when i'm doing moatoob runs, I know once a rare mission ahs appeared you can go to any planet to do one of the runs. but its happened so frequently now i'm convinced it can't be a fluke.

Alot of times before i've even completed a run, and I don't even have max luck i'll go to start my first run and FOI appears ^^ its awesome, I was doing System defence all night yesterday to level my PM and FOI appeared 5 times in 30-40 runs. Although twice my internet connection DC'd half way through the run :'(

Tifa

fay
Feb 12, 2009, 06:43 AM
interesting you say that. i seem to recall finding the shaft quite a few times as my cast through the parum gbr. heck i got it 3 times straight after each other then found it again after every 4-5 runs after that

best psu day ever =]....

NDW
Feb 12, 2009, 06:49 AM
It's just pure coincidence, your character's home planet does not affect the rate at which you find the rare free mission.

AOI_Tifa_Lockhart
Feb 12, 2009, 07:35 AM
You never know though? Nothings been proven with the rare runs, i'm not gonna discount anything. I'm gonna try with my CAST character on Parum too and see what I come up with ^^

DesuJet
Feb 12, 2009, 07:48 AM
lol, people are so bored with the game that they come up with radical and ridiculous "theories" xD

Sir_Satyr
Feb 12, 2009, 08:17 AM
I don't happen to be bored with the game, and I too have a similar experience. Once I get the Forest with my beast, it pops up every other run after that. That hasn't happened with my cast character on Parum as well.

Barker5227
Feb 12, 2009, 08:29 AM
Actually, now that somebody points it out, it makes a little sense. My main character, Crimson Knight, has his home room in parum. And while i was on him leveling up every 5 runs or so i would go to room->parum east->flyer base and would have the rare mission. Then, of course, go to neudaiz and run em.

Then after getting him to 150 i started on my beast, and techer, who both have their rooms in Guardians colony and havent gotten it once...I think you bay be on to something

cause it would be completley be unfair to base chances of rare mission off of luck, or else i would never get it! Now, if only there was a pattern/order to casino :D

afterthoughtz
Feb 12, 2009, 08:30 AM
lol, people are so bored with the game that i come here to insult other peoples "theories" cause i have nothing bettet to do xDFIXED!

Cracka_J
Feb 12, 2009, 09:02 AM
this won't end well...

AOI_Tifa_Lockhart
Feb 12, 2009, 09:35 AM
Naw Desujet i'm not bored with the game, far from it i'm playing more PSU atm than ever, its not really ridiculous as nothing has been prooven with rare missions, if something is said most people like yourself disapprove becuase you think that nothing affects the rare mission appearing. But like I said nothing is impossible so odn't be so closed minded about things m'kay?

M'kay :P

Vent
Feb 12, 2009, 09:46 AM
its not really ridiculous as nothing has been prooven with rare missions

That isn't really a worthy argument. For example, you can say that religious people don't have any proof that God exists, yet they can say that you don't have any proof either that God doesn't exist. If you argument was a valid one, even I could say 'If you push up-up-down-down-left-left-right-right at the start of each mission, you'll get a rare mission guaranteed'. xD

All in all, pitching a theory in is by far a bad thing. But since we're talking about 'chance' (which doesn't even exist if you ask me) here, it's hard to proof anything if you don't have the game's algorithms.

Smidge204
Feb 12, 2009, 10:22 AM
That isn't really a worthy argument. For example, you can say that religious people don't have any proof that God exists, yet they can say that you don't have any proof either that God doesn't exist. If you argument was a valid one, even I could say 'If you push up-up-down-down-left-left-right-right at the start of each mission, you'll get a rare mission guaranteed'. xD


The difference being that "God Exists" is not a falsifiable statement, and "God doesn't exist" is a negative assertion and does not require proof. (You don't have to prove that something doesn't happen/exist.) In contrast, the claim that you will get a rare mission by entering in a sequence of keystrokes is falsifiable. Science: It works, bitches.

I also object somewhat to the use of the word "theory" since it hasn't yet been subjected to any sort of actual testing or scrutiny. It is really a Rare Mission hypothesis. Just a pet peeve, though.

That said, we can do this proper by actually collecting data on who gets rare missions and what planet their character's room is located on, and see if there is any statistically significant correlation between them. This takes effort, though, so I doubt it'll happen. :confused:
=Smidge=

Vent
Feb 12, 2009, 10:57 AM
The difference being that "God Exists" is not a falsifiable statement, and "God doesn't exist" is a negative assertion and does not require proof. (You don't have to prove that something doesn't happen/exist.) In contrast, the claim that you will get a rare mission by entering in a sequence of keystrokes is falsifiable. Science: It works, bitches.

Well well, we have a Karl Popper among us, ehh? Haha. I agree that the statement that 'God exists' as it stands now is not a falsifiable statement, just because the meaning of 'God' is too vague. Though I don't understand why 'God doesn't exist' doesn't need any proof. If that would be true, you can deny everything what the other said.

I mean if I said that 'Santa Claus doesn't exist' and assuming that that kid believed in Santa Claus and can think rationally, I doubt he'll believe me till I tell him that Santa Claus needs to move faster than the light to be able to deliver all the presents in one night (I believe?).

Although I agree it's kind of hard to proof something doesn't exist (if it really doesn't exist). For that you need to scout the whole world and say 'Look! I didn't find God! So it doesn't exist'. Best thing to do is to look for clues to support your theory. For example in this situation, I can say "Sega would never bother to make rare missions depend on the race you are.". If this statement is true, I can put the 'ridi' of 'ridiculous' on this hypothesis. In the end, I don't agree or rather, don't understand why negative assertions don't need proof.

Calsetes
Feb 12, 2009, 10:57 AM
Is it where their room is located, or is it their "storyline" homeworld? I.E. Beasts "live" on Moatoob, Casts on Parum, Newmans on Neudaiz, and Humans in the colony.

I know being a human and doing GBR missions (along with Neudaiz missions) I almost never get a rare mission, no matter how many times I run on a planet. Once Holy Hallucination comes out (I think that's the colony rare mission), I'll personally run a bunch of missions on every planet and see what the odds are for getting a rare mission (at least, with my main who's a human).

Theory, hypothesis, idea, amalgamation of observed known variables resulting in a set of fixed data and extrapolating an estimated result with similar replaced variables, whatever you call it, in the end it's not a proof, nor a law, nor a constant. No matter the terminology, as long as they're not saying "Running missions on planet X with race Y GUARANTEES every other run is a rare mission," then they're fine.

stukasa
Feb 12, 2009, 11:21 AM
I can't disprove your hypothesis, I just really doubt it. The reason is very simple: I don't think ST put that much effort into it. :P

When in doubt, just think to yourself: "What would ST do?"

Calsetes
Feb 12, 2009, 11:30 AM
Well, we could theoretically test it by having one person from every race and sex run a set number of runs on every planet, discounting any rare missions encountered along the way and then working out a percentage. For example:

8 total parties of one member each (maybe include NPCs if they're suspected of not affecting the rare mission frequency), and do... let's say 100 runs on each planet and the colony for a total of 400 missions. Keep track of whatever rare missions will pop up and complete them as you encounter them, and make sure everyone has the same luck (0-star or 1-star probably, since you can most likely get that from the luck seller lady at the pavilion of air). Take your results of every race and sex combination on every planet and work out a percentage of how many rare missions everyone got on each planet, blah blah blah, do some magical mathemagician stuff, and we'll have something closer to an actual formulated test.

That's just my thought on this, but we'll have to wait til Holy Hallucination is out before we can do it.

NiceOnes
Feb 12, 2009, 11:54 AM
Hmmm... My room is on the Colony and I havn't received a rare mission since the carnival started. Maybe it only works on the planets due to the fact that the colony doesn't have a rare mission?

I'm thinking you've just been quite lucky, however like you said nothing has been proved/disproved regarding the rare flag so who knows! Might as well put it to the test. Maybe we should make some charts and a graph! Lolz.

joefro
Feb 12, 2009, 12:03 PM
I can't disprove your hypothesis, I just really doubt it. The reason is very simple: I don't think ST put that much effort into it. :P

When in doubt, just think to yourself: "What would ST do?"
This, this, this. When I hear people saying things in game like, "OMG don' open teh boss boxs til the dragon go poof or we no get serofit senebi!!!!1!!!!1"
I'm like, "lol. Like Sonic Team actually put any thought into this game."

Seriously people, Sonic Team's developers aren't the sharpest crayons in the box. (Or however that saying goes...) Getting a rare mission is luck. Just like everything else in the game.

Darius_Drake
Feb 12, 2009, 12:12 PM
I have a new hypothesis. No matter what planet I am on ST makes sure that I do not find the rare mission. They track me mission after mission and when I leave a group they give the group the rare mission and sit back and laugh. :(

darthplagis
Feb 12, 2009, 01:22 PM
erm u guys do realize that one you have the rare mission you can go to ANY planet and get the rare mission there right???? it is not locked to that one so once you get the forest on moatoob you could opt out and go to parum for the mines or neudiaz for the caves.

so this puts all rumors/speculation out of the picture as it obviously has no bearing on where your room is located

Darius_Drake
Feb 12, 2009, 01:31 PM
erm u guys do realize that one you have the rare mission you can go to ANY planet and get the rare mission there right???? it is not locked to that one so once you get the forest on moatoob you could opt out and go to parum for the mines or neudiaz for the caves.

so this puts all rumors/speculation out of the picture as it obviously has no bearing on where your room is located

They actually took it into account that once you have the rare mission you can go to any planet. They are talking about the chances of getting the rare mission to begin with. Anything after getting the rare mission doesn't really fit into any of these theories so your reasoning doesn't really put any of the rumors/speculation out of the picture.

necman
Feb 12, 2009, 06:17 PM
In simple terms I don't believe your home planet or racial planet have anything to do with it. And to clarify you can get rare mission even from carnival runs. I got two from carnival. I was not finishing mission just grabbing polymers. Went back to carnival for 3 runs. Then back for more polymers and there it was. I'm a cast and live on parum and only once did I find rare mission at my home planet even thou 90 percent of my runs are there.

About Santa clause I would hate to break it to you but he was real. He never travelled the world giving presents, as that part of his existance Along with a great deal of it,was made up. God too exists but not in the way everyone today makes him out to be. The only difference is knowing and being finatical about something. Anyway's the point was don't just assume stuff without atleast knowing first and testing first.

lethe
Feb 12, 2009, 07:44 PM
No, it doesnt, this is what happens when you put more thought into the game than the developers. Lets not start more rumors here we have enough as it is.

Geonizer/Iceman
Feb 12, 2009, 08:00 PM
Well I have my four characters on all guardian bases,( Moatoob, Neudaiz, Parum, and Colony). It really doesn't matter where you run your missions because I ran a bunch of missions on the Colony and go down to one of the planets to check for the rare map, usually its there if I had 2star or higher. Lately I haven't seen the rare mission pop up,( mostly due to little or no luck). There's been nothing constant to judge how often it appears, not even time or ranking.

Split
Feb 12, 2009, 08:09 PM
Isn't luck the stat that denotes how often you get critical hits? That's what it is in every single other luck-stat-featuring RPG currently in existence, online or off.

Sorry if this has already been touched on I haven't read many of the other posts...

lethe
Feb 12, 2009, 10:09 PM
The luck next to your name has nothing to do with the rare mission, please read the guides or something people. Go look on psupedia.info, they have the info for the last update that altered the way that rare missions were given out. THAT is how rare missions come to be, there are no other hidden factors OK? Just becuase your irl lucky one week then irl unlucky the next doesnt mean that " LIEK OMG THER MUST BE LIEK SOM HIDDEN TRIK LOL" its all pure luck, and dont say "what if' becuase what if means what if and what if means it isnt fact.

RangerB
Feb 21, 2009, 07:33 PM
All of my characters are human. Where's my home planet? Anyway I have one character that has found far more rare missions than any other. Maybe there is something in the names like in the old PSO.

NDW
Feb 21, 2009, 08:19 PM
All of my characters are human. Where's my home planet?

They primarily live on Parum.