Supplement: Content Update for March 26

[FOnewearl-Lina]

http://phantasystaruniverse.jp/news/wis/?mode=view&id=860Update Patch arrives! Sh*tload of new stuff to muck around with!

Espio has to go to work, he can go through everything in detail when he gets back :P
But for now here are a few things that will make FM players very, very unhappy.

*Adjustments to the battle system:
Anga Jabroga will NO LONGER ignore ATA, you can now miss with this PA :D
Duus Majarra's ATP modifier will be weakened.
Tornado Dance will no longer travel as far.
Paradi Cataract will have it's range and power reduced.
Ascension Gifts' 16T attack will significantly increase in power.

All Types will have their stats adjusted and both GT and WT will be able to equip Double Sabers up to A rank.

Some Posts of interest:
Some information on the Style customisations available at the moment (http://pso-world.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2279080&postcount=345)
Collection of images found in this thread (http://pso-world.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2280856&postcount=580)

[Neith]

Majarra Nerf! :lol:

Edit: On second glance, FM ain't gonna be happy. Tornado Dance's movement distance got nerfed too D: Something about Jabroga too, but I can't make it out.

Edit2: Oh jeez, Paradi nerf too? About damn time- it made all other SUV's pointless...

[FOnewearl-Lina]

Majarra Nerf! :lol:
Yeah, basically everything FM gets nerfed :-P

[doomkilledu]

=O zomg!

[Neith]

Yeah, basically everything FM gets nerfed :-P

As a Newman FM, this'll make things a little more difficult (if/when US/EU get this), but Majarra in particular should've been nerfed a long time ago. Well, I hope other FM's bothered to level other PA's, I know I did :lol:

Can anyone explain what's happening to Jabroga? I couldn't make sense of it..

Edit: Ah, thanks- thank god it'll be able to miss again- I hate Jabroga spammers.

[redroses]

Can't wait to find out what all stands on the page
But I am so laughing at all the people who extra switched to CAST FM because of Paradi, pathetic XD

Either way, I think all of these nerfes were needed (although I don't understand the Tornado Dance), because FM was just too way out there, and I personally always thought it would be better to make the stronger classes weaker, than making the weaker stronger, as we don't need more classes that kill everything in a second.

[Rayokarna]

Yes! Bows will now move from crap to meh.

A perfect update in my eyes.

[FOnewearl-Lina]

Can anyone explain what's happening to Jabroga? I couldn't make sense of it..
It'll take ATA into account from now on, so you can MISS with Jabroga :D

[Neith]

Good, FM has a lot of ATA anyway so there shouldn't be too many complaints on that (unless ST give Jabroga a Mayalee Fury-like ATA mod :lol: )

FM is really suffering here :lol: On the one hand I'm disappointed because I played a 'gimped' one already as a Newman, but I also think that FM was way too good on most races and did need a nerf somewhere.

What's funny is that aside from the Paradi nerf, GM is unscathed :lol:

[Ezodagrom]

About time they decided to nerf jabroga, majarra and paradi :>
Wonder what other things will be changed/added with this update ^^.

[FOnewearl-Lina]

Oooh, GT and WT will be able to equip Double Sabers up to A rank...

[Neith]

...I really don't understand why GT needs a Double Saber :lol:

And right now, WT players are saying 'I have enough pallette trouble as it is D: '

[FOnewearl-Lina]

More players to abuse Tornado Dance, even though it just got nerfed :)

[Arika]

So when will be the shotgun nerf turn? and also tech boost. :p
anyway, I m glad I use Beast FM.

[Akaimizu]

Is this just for Japan? If so, it's probably not too much of an issue. It's probably a nerf to compensate for the stats the end-game players have over there. Kind of like the idea was, that the moves were fine up until a certain level, but beyond that, they went too far.

"...I really don't understand why GT needs a Double Saber"

To tell you the truth, I kind of agree with this....but I believe it's one of those anything to get more players playing GT ideas. Kind of a shock that they first give the GT barely any melee weapons (the least of all classes) and then they immediately jump to double saber. It does (without too much thought into it) seem a little outside the play foundations of the class. And the GT has plenty of pallette issues as well, as well as PA issues. Too many things. :)

[Arika]

After the nerf in the past, Dus daggas and Renkai were still good until MAjarra era.
After nerf, Chikki still be the more useful PA compare to another slicer PA.

From ST history of nerf stuff, I think it will still end up as very good PA, just not as strong only.

[FOnewearl-Lina]

Tornado Dance nerf is enough for me to keep up with FMs as it is atm, so it's not really a problem if they still end up spamming those 2 PAs... I'd rather use Gravity and Spiral dance myself though.

[Magician]

Will this make GM the best time attack class then? FMs will have to switch from lkk to red/knight to avoid the zeros jabroga will put up, making that highly sought after unit even more desirable (two stacks+, probably).

Now lets see bows get blowback (or knockdown) at 31+ and an attack tech % increase across the board.

[FOnewearl-Lina]

Oh... They missed out LaserPALV+, that's the only weapon in the game they've left out (apart from Shadoog, but you don't got PA for that), hope it's just an oversight.

[Ezodagrom]

GT A rank double sabers? o.o...weird...Where's my S rank cards :<
Oh well...xD...longbows are getting faster or getting more powerfull? (couldn't understand it well) o:
Yay for stats adjustment. ^_^

And...What are those PALV+ thingies? ^^;

[EspioKaos]

Full translation coming soon! I'm just now finishing up the final details.

[Dhylec]

Even with preliminary info, this looks like some big-time balancing act. We'll see some smiles, but I think there will be more frowns. ;]

[FOnewearl-Lina]

I think those PALV+es are for levelling PAs you'd never use anyway...

Translating updates for an online game when you're supposed to be working, tsk tsk :o

[Neith]

Even with preliminary info, this looks like some big-time balancing act. We'll see some smiles, but I think there will be more frowns. ;]

Frowns from all the FM players, for sure :lol:

The complaining's already started on our official boards :wacko: It's funny, everyone complained the game was too easy, but when ST balance things to make it a bit more challenging (a bit...), people start complaining anyway?

In short, FM players: You know those other PA's? You might wanna start working on them if these changes are drastic :lol:

[EspioKaos]

http://phantasystaruniverse.jp/news/wis/?mode=view&id=860

The supplemental update begins this week!

Supplemental update outline
* Starting March 26, aside from GUARDIANS advanced style, some style customization items will be added. New room and interface functions will also be added along with the introduction of community course. Furthermore, three new conditional missions will be released. All other content not mentioned here will be released at any time.

Community course introduction
If you had previously purchased a PSU ID (net cafe and the free "TRY Illuminus" campaigns do not count) but let your GUARDIANS License expire, you can log in to the game as part of the community course. (This applies to ver.1 and AOTI users.)

While playing under CC, the following restrictions will be in place:
* Cannot enter your room
* Universe selection is limited
* Only certain missions can be accepted
* Cannot trade items with others
* Cannot pick up items dropped by others
* Cannot access your common box
* Cannot collect or use Vol Coins
* Cannot use GUARDIANS Cash
* Cannot earn or use AEXP or AP
* You will not gain any EXP if you are LV50 or above
* You will not gain any MP if your type level is over LV3
* You will not gain any PA EXP if your photon arts are over LV20

New area
* The 3rd floor of Clyez City will have a new area added to it: Bodyguard Department. (Accessible to ver.1 players.)

Conditional missions
The following missions are all accessed from the new G.Colony Bodyguard Department.

Plains Overlord/R
This is a training simulation of the bodyguard department. This mission is based on a large-scale fire contamination of Raffon Meadow which has made the native De Ragan turn vicious. Assume the cleanup of this area.
The following restrictions are in place for this mission:
* All players capped at LV20
* No Trimates
* No body units
* No EX traps
* Restrictions are in place until the mission ends or the mission is canceled.
* If you are below LV20, you cannot play this mission.

Demons Above/R
This is a training simulation of the bodyguard department. This mission is based on the assault of an Onmagoug's nest on Neudaiz. The idea is to assume a full-scale mop-up of the area.
The following restrictions are in place for this mission:
* All players capped at LV20
* No rifles
* No arm units
* No EX traps
* Restrictions are in place until the mission ends or the mission is canceled.
* If you are below LV20, you cannot play this mission.


Desert Terror/R
This is a training simulation of the bodyguard department. This mission is based around the recovery of a West Kugu facility on Moatoob that has been occupied by a Dimmagolus.
The following restrictions are in place for this mission:
* All players capped at LV20
* No Star Atomizers
* No Sol Atomizers
* No recovery TECHNICs
* No extra units
* No EX traps
* Restrictions are in place until the mission ends or the mission is canceled.
* If you are below LV20, you cannot play this mission.

Bodyguard Dept. Trading Post
You can exchange the advanced mission points earned in GUARDIANS advanced mission training simulations for various support items.

Bodyguard Dept. Item Drop-off
Bring the special items you've collected to me! Once you reach a certain amount, I'll give you a special reward!

Bodyguard Dept. Standby Area
Use this area as a rendezvous point for GUARDIANS advanced missions.

Mission adjustments
* Innocent Girl B and A will have adjustments made to their EXP payout. Furthermore, the weapons Vivienne uses will be changed.
* Various changes will be made to drop items in existing AOTI missions.

Battle system modifications
* The following photon arts and SUV weapons have been adjusted (also applies to ver.1):
- Anga Jabroga will no longer ignore accuracy
- Dus Majarra's attack power decreased
- Tornado Dance's movement speed decreased
- Paradi Cataract's power and range decreased
- Ascension Gift's 16t and Rappy attacks given more power
* During exact counter (just counter), you will be invincible (also applies to ver.1).
* All longbows will receive an increase to rate of fire and attack power (also applies to ver.1).
* All grenades will receive a reduction in PP consumption (also applies to ver.1).
* Guntechers and Wartechers will be able to equip double sabers up to grade A (also applies to ver.1).
* Each type will receive various status adjustments (also applies to ver.1).

GUARDIANS advanced style
The following new items will be added:
* Type customization
- Sword PA LV+
- Knuckle PA LV+
- Spear PA LV+
- Double saber PA LV+
- Axe PA LV+
- Twin saber PA LV+
- Twin dagger PA LV+
- Twin claw PA LV+
- Saber PA LV+
- Dagger PA LV+
- Claw PA LV+
- Whip PA LV+
- Slicer PA LV+
- Rifle PA LV+
- Shotgun PA LV+
- Longbow PA LV+
- Grenade PA LV+
- Laser cannon PA LV+
- Twin handgun PA LV+
- Handgun PA LV+
- Crossbow PA LV+
- Card PA LV+
- Machinegun PA LV+
- Limit Break Foie
- Limit Break Barta
- Limit Break Zonde
- Limit Break Diga
- Limit Break Megid

* Style customization
- Elemental Weapon
- Enhance Weapon
- Common Mastery
- Guard Crush
- Elemental Field
- Rapid React
- Ragan's Breath
- Solid Body
- Middle Grade Trap
- Middle Grade Pharmacy
- Provoke
- Photon Crafter

Item related
* New weapons, clothes, materials and SUV weapons will be added.
* Casino Voloyal rotation

Interface
* Item lock will be added so that you won't have to worry about accidentally selling an important item to an NPC.
* The following online status functions will be added:
- Replacing the current status selection options, you will be able to create your own online status text.
- Online statuses you've created will be saved for later use.
- When character names are shown overhead, each person's status will be shown, too.
- A friend's online status will be indicated on their partner card (also applies to ver.1).
* Chat commands will be added that allow you to change line shields.
* A function will be added that allows you to quickly close list windows (also applies to ver.1).
* PC version players will be given the option to not show other players' status and other details.
* PC version players will be able to pull up a personal history of oldtext input for party names, online statuses and party comments.

Your room functions
* Common box capacity increased from 32 items to 100 items.
* Just like a Photon Gacha, you will be able to have multiple stacks of the same item when you store them in your common box or PM storage.
* A player shop function will be added that lets you replenish item stacks that are up for sale. (You can refill an item stack instead of having to create a new stack, in other words.)
* In place of item delivery from NPC shops, you will be able to access your common box free-of-charge from NPC shops.
* Different characters from the same account will be able to access the PM storage of each others' room. (This will allow previously undeliverable items between E1 and E2 accounts to occur.)
* You will be able to immediately move to the room of a friend straight from their partner card. (You cannot do this with your own card, however.)
* A menu will be added to allow different characters from different entrances to go to each others' rooms.

System changes
* PS2 users will be able to change their frame skip options at the TTB receptionist on the 4th floor of Clyez City (also applies to ver.1).
* PS2 users' title screens will now default to "Network Mode" as the initial selected option after receiving this system update.
* Universe names will be changed to go with the new content of this update.

[Arika]

Okay here we go... omg! this update is the spring addition one???


=community course add!!=

player who has license expire can still log in to play, but with many limitation..

-can't access my room -limited universe -limited missions
-can't trade item -can't get drop item from other char -can't use common box
-can't get vol coins -can't pay guardian cash -don't get AEXP
-can't get exp after lv 50 -can't get mp after type lv 3 -can't level up PA after level 20.




=New area=
there will be new area in coloy 3rd floor, let's Espio name it again then?

-Conditional mission-

Plain over lord / R
-player level 20.
-can't equip bony unit
-can't use Trimate (lol, monomate is enough for level 20 'w')
-EX traps can't be used.

Demon above / R

-players level 20.
-can't use rifle
-can't equip arm unit
-can't use EX traps.
(let's eat his lighting again, it was fun back then 'w')

Desert terror / R

-players level 20
-can't use star amonizer
-can't use sol amonizer
-can't use restore technic.
-can't equip extra slot
-can't use EX traps
(this one sound the most fun, well I hope rewards worth it although...)

3 exchange mission added (all located at 3rd floor new open area)

-exchange AMP(advance guardian mission point) to item
-collect item from trading with something (PSO galon shop)
-waiting mission to find party.


=mission adjustment=

-Innocent girl adjustment (lol at US server 'wwwww)
Viviance equipment change (may be she can use her double saber as in PSP now)

-another drop list adjustment to many missions.



=battle system adjustment=

-Jabroga has ATA invlove now.
-Dus majarra has atp down.
-Tornado dance has less movement rate.
-paradi catariact has both power and range nerf.
-asession gift version fat rappy and 16t have big power up.

-just counter will get invinsible period.
-long bow has speed and power increase.
-granade has lower PP comsumtion.
-Guntecher and Wartecher can use A rank double saber! (but TD already get nerf...)
-adjustment on status to ALL classes



=Guardian advance style addition!=

Type customize (omg! full of ++++)

sword PA+
knuckle PA+
spear PA+
double saber PA+
axe PA+
twin saber PA+
twin dagger PA+
twin dagger PA+
saber PA+
dagger PA+
claw PA+
whip PA+
Slicer PA+
Rifle PA+
Shotgun PA+
Long bow PA+
granade PA+
laser cannon PA+
twin handgun PA+
handgun PA+
cross bow PA+
card PA+
mechgun PA+
limit break: foie
limit break: barta
limit break: zonde
limit break: diga
limit break: megid

Style customize

Elemental weapon!
Enchance weapon!
Comon mystery! (???)
Guard cracker!

Elemental field
Rapid react
Ragan blaze
Solid body

Middle grade trap
Middle grade Phamacy
Balo work?
Photon grafter??


=item addition=

-weapon/ clothes/ SUV weapon addition.
-Casino item addition.


=interface upgrade=

-you can lock important item to be unsellable.
-online status that can show message ito all of your friend who has your card. (eg. busy, AFk, need help SOS)
-chat command that change shield line
-list window page function update (no more detail to explain this)
-For windows players only : players status update. (not sure on detail)



=my room function=

-common box now iwll have 100 slot
-can take items in photon gacha when you taking item from common box or storage (I will see how this work in real date?)
-it is free to ship item to common box from shop
-same account character will have owner right to all character rooms from the same account.
-new menu for you to move to your another room from another entrant (JP only)

=system adjustment=

-playstation 2 players can adjust their framskip at the 4th floor colony counter!!!!!!!!!!! (omg)
-add 2 more universe and change name (again, this is not relate to US)


Edit: okay, so Lina told me to do this because Espio said he got work...and... -_-

[FOnewearl-Lina]

New area
* The 3rd floor of Clyez City will have a new area added to it: Bodyguard Department. (Accessible to ver.1 players.)
Can we call them 'Colony Police'? :)

[EspioKaos]

Can we call them 'Colony Police'? :)

I was about to call them "Escort Service." :wacko:

[FOnewearl-Lina]

I was about to call them "Escort Service." :wacko:
What're they escorting? How about Guardians SWAT?
Btw, LaserPALV+ ain't in the list atm.

[Arika]

Call that "guardian's guardian" lol

note: my list has laser PA+

[Arada]

What do the Limit Breaks for techs imply ?

Did you understand what it meant ?

[Chimeria]

Various changes will be made to drop items in existing AOTI missions.
I know I'm probably mistaken but hopefully this means items drop like they do in Phantasy Star Portable...but then again that would pretty much eliminate weapon boards... :/

I also kinda like the sound of the challenge missions. They remind me of PSO's challenge missions a bit.

This update sounds pretty cool but honestly, I'm just REALLY looking forward to new clothing and parts. New weapons are always cool too.

[FOnewearl-Lina]

What do the Limit Breaks for techs imply ?

Did you understand what it meant ?
Prolly just a fancy name for PALV+, tech version of the weapon versions minus grants.


It's there. ;)
*refreshes page*
Oh, there is it!

[EspioKaos]

What're they escorting?
I was going for a hooker joke. :wacko:


Btw, LaserPALV+ ain't in the list atm.
It's there. ;)


What do the Limit Breaks for techs imply ?

Did you understand what it meant ?

If it follows the form of the PA LV+ items, then it's just a cute name for increased PA EXP on TECHNICs. If not, then we'll find out Thursday. ;)

[Chimeria]

Ok, I know it's probably been mentioned already but if this is the Japanese Update, when will this package of goodies come to NA?

Any estimates?

[Aeris]

Ok, I know it's probably been mentioned already but if this is the Japanese Update, when will this package of goodies come to NA?

Any estimates?

I whould say 8-10 months or a year since we are way behind.

[Ezodagrom]

Ok, I know it's probably been mentioned already but if this is the Japanese Update, when will this package of goodies come to NA?

Any estimates?

Since the event Shred the Darkness hasn't even been announced yet, we're currently 9+ months behind the JP version (they got that event on june 26).

But since the delay between the US/EU version and the JP version is increasing, I would expect it in more than 10 months... :\

[Arika]

Ok, I know it's probably been mentioned already but if this is the Japanese Update, when will this package of goodies come to NA?

Any estimates?

may be..Tomorrow.

(infinite loops)

[Aeris]

may be..Tomorrow.

(infinite loops)

lmao, lies :wacko:

[Katy]

GT with A rank double sabers??? Umm. Yeah, how about a speed boost instead.

What makes all those new PA's ++++ ? Are they stronger or can I get those PA's to lvl 41+ now?

[EspioKaos]

What makes all those new PA's ++++ ? Are they stronger or can I get those PA's to lvl 41+ now?

They're not new photon arts, they're items that will help your PAs level faster in certain missions (the GUARDIANS advanced missions only).

[Arika]

Espio, name it Guardian's Guardian, well ya? :wacko:

it sound cute lol

[Chimeria]

Since the event Shred the Darkness hasn't even been announced yet, we're currently 9+ months behind the JP version (they got that event on june 26).

But since the delay between the US/EU version and the JP version is increasing, I would expect it in more than 10 months... :\
Holy crap. I knew we were behind but wow. Well one can only wait in anticipation until it's here.

[FOnewearl-Lina]

Guardian's Escort Service > Guardian's Guardian

[Rust]

Huh... A-rank double sabers to GT and WT what?
I honestly would have prefered getting S-rank versions of a few weapons already in the selection (S-rank Shadoogs and Claws for WT, for example). :|
And PA adjustement also ; being capped at skill lvl 30 on an already attack-gimped class is retarded.

But oh well, since we will never see this around here... :wacko:


Desert Goliath/R
This is a training simulation of the bodyguard department. This mission is based around the recovery of a West Kugu facility on Moatoob that has been occupied by a Dimmagolus.
The following restrictions are in place for this mission:
* All players capped at LV20
* No Star Atomizers
* No Sol Atomizers
* No recovery TECHNICs
* No extra units
* No EX traps
* Restrictions are in place until the mission ends or the mission is canceled.
* If you are below LV20, you cannot play this mission.

And oh shit, I'm doing this one as soon as it's released. :lol:
Those who don't have a Stun/Resist are screwed, unless they belong to the very few smart people still on this game who run away when the guy stays with the arms in the air for a bajillion minutes.

Makes me wonder by the way, any info on how those restricted missions will exactly work?
I'd like to know if it's gonna be like FFXI's the old BCNM or Garrison system (before they implemented the lvl sync. update), where you had to keep shitty equipment because the mission level cap was preventing you from using your higher level one.
In short : does this mean we have to keep C-B rank armors and weapons for those missions?

[biggabertha]

Yay! Longbow Love...!

Shame Rifles are still going to be super useful with that knockdown on them though...

[Arika]

But oh well, since we will never see this around here... :wacko:



Because of Rust quote, I noticed the name you typo there, it is "desert terror"(dimma) not "Desert Goliath" (magas)




In short : does this mean we have to keep C-B rank armors and weapons for those missions?

I bet we do (not sure), because they are releasing so many low ranks weapons from PSP, they gotta find some use to them.

[EspioKaos]

Because of Rust quote, I noticed the name you typo there, it is "desert terror"(dimma) not "Desert Goliath" (magas)

Oops! Fixed. And when I fixed that, I noticed I typoed "Demons Above" as "Demos." >_>;

[Emblem00]

GT Double Sabers YESH!!

[panzer_unit]

GT double sabers ... it's so they can melee usefully a bit, they've got an awesome basic attack and Tornado Dance gives them a move with knockback (to go along with Rising Strike / Shunbu for launch)

I dunno why WT would get them too, I guess it's a "might as well" type thing. Every guardian type in Portable has access to Doubles and Knuckles which isn't true even for handguns, sabers, or spears.

[Rust]

Ah, crap, I ditched the mission description to read the restrictions immediately.
I thought it was Desert Goliath ; figthing Dimmagolus with no support isn't much of a challenge, I could fight it for a full 20 mins without getting hit once when I was at a lower level. :|

[Calsetes]

Wartecher getting double-sabers! Something else to level up while using double-saber PAs, since my claws will probably be maxed out by that time.

Still, to me it seems a random weapon to give to those two classes...... maybe giving wartecher S-rank twin claws instead would have been more viable? Not sure what Guntechers could get in place of it, though.

[Akaimizu]

GT double sabers ... it's so they can melee usefully a bit, they've got an awesome basic attack and Tornado Dance gives them a move with knockback (to go along with Rising Strike / Shunbu for launch)


Actually, it might be a lot more useful than Rising Strike for launch. Even as a topped off female human guntecher...that level 10 Rising Strike is a true gamble that it'll even perform the knockback/launch. It misses doing that all the time, with me. Enough that I can't count on it. Still, I only really find it more useful for soloing as in a group, I'm usually with folks that either make the launch not as important or can launch the thing much better than I could.

[Calsetes]

Heeheehee, launching with the third hit of Assault Crush...... that stuff seems like it comes down next week sometime.

[Dhylec]

Yep, it's big update - hope it'll be here soon.
Heh, my fave classes are hybrids (AT, GT & WT) - I've been wishing for A-rank DS on WT for awhile. This is pleasant news for the lesser-used classes, indeed.
I'll digest the rest of the news slowly. ;]

[desturel]

* All longbows will receive an increase to rate of fire and attack power (also applies to ver.1).


Hell yeah, I didn't level all of my bow bullets for nothing. :)
Hopefully the speed increase to Masei-sou will be more than the others. I still need to get that one to 40 (25 currently IIRC).

[quote]* Guntechers and Wartechers will be able to equip double sabers up to grade A (also applies to ver.1).

Wartechers and Guntechers don't really need double sabers. Especially with Guntecher's cap of 10 on stiking PAs. Both classes already have problems with the number of PAs they can equip at any given time. I would rather have Guntechers with S rank cards and Wartechers with S rank swords.


* Each type will receive various status adjustments (also applies to ver.1).

Until I see these adjustments, I'll just assume they buff techers minorly and give masterforce a bit more HP.


GUARDIANS advanced style
The following new items will be added:

- Provoke

Perfect for a tank character. I might actually start playing my fortefighter. It seemed pretty silly that Guntechers (shotgun) and Acrotechers (whip) had better provoke weapons than a fortefighter (saber).


* Chat commands will be added that allow you to change line shields.

Hell yeah! One of the best additions as long as it also changes what slots are equipped at the same time.


Your room functions
* Common box capacity increased from 32 items to 100 items.

About time.


* In place of item delivery from NPC shops, you will be able to access your common box free-of-charge from NPC shops.

Good change.


* Different characters from the same account will be able to access the PM storage of each others' room. (This will allow previously undeliverable items between E1 and E2 accounts to occur.)

Finally, I won't have to go switching to all of my character whenever I need armor or weapons changes when I switch classes. Depending on how this is implemented, One character will hold all of the tech weapons. One character will hold all of the guns. One character will hold the striking weapons and the armor and units will be in the common box which will allow me to fill one up with all of the "other" items like room decorations, clothes and things of that nature.

Again, that's depending on how it is implemented. It might be too difficult to do that in the long run.


* PS2 users will be able to change their frame skip options at the TTB receptionist on the 4th floor of Clyez City (also applies to ver.1).

Hopefully this gets added to the Xbox version as well. No more slowdown on Flowery Pursuit and Egg Thieves? Hell yeah.


Oh and one last thing that I'm sure a lot of people missed.
Level 20 cap on restricted missions means that B rank weapons and armor will be useful again :D

I find that highly amusing since I still have a set of 50% Assino-senba/Tero Line/Gi-senba/Giga Line/etc.

[Arika]

Finally, I won't have to go switching to all of my character whenever I need armor or weapons changes when I switch classes. Depending on how this is implemented, One character will hold all of the tech weapons. One character will hold all of the guns. One character will hold the striking weapons and the armor and units will be in the common box which will allow me to fill one up with all of the "other" items like room decorations, clothes and things of that nature..


Too bad, this is JP only, they refer to 2x account that JP have. US don't have E1 and E2.

[PepperCat]

I'm kinda bummed about the Fighter nerfs tbh... I'd rather nerfs for both FM and GM and then a boost for MF to make things balanced like back on v1.

Fighters get all the hate/nerfs but techers get no love... :(

[Magician]

Oh and one last thing that I'm sure a lot of people missed. Level 20 cap on restricted missions means that B rank weapons and armor will be useful again. :D

I find that highly amusing since I still have a set of 50% Assino-senba/Tero Line/Gi-senba/Giga Line/etc.

Which means forget about bringing master classes into those missions.

Plains Overlord/R
Demons Above/R
Desert Terror/R

Hybrid, forte and acro classes only.

[Juza]

Wartecher getting double-sabers! Something else to level up while using double-saber PAs, since my claws will probably be maxed out by that time.

Still, to me it seems a random weapon to give to those two classes...... maybe giving wartecher S-rank twin claws instead would have been more viable? Not sure what Guntechers could get in place of it, though.

Psst, we have S-rank twin claws already. Don't tell anyone though, Sonic Team will probably take them away and give us B-rank crossbows in their place.

[JAFO22000]

Too little, too late....

[The_Brimada]

I've been complaining about longbows for ages. Hopefully it will fire at a decent speed. Too bad NA isn't getting this update anytime soon >_>

Maybe those "fake" cast players(made just for paradi) will go back to their beast now...but I doubt it lol

edit: My HUmar remake on PSU is already WT so getting those double sabers back (even if not S rank) is pretty cool. Now if only swords and twin sabers were S too, but thats asking a bit much :p

[Rust]

Psst, we have S-rank twin claws already. Don't tell anyone though, Sonic Team will probably take them away and give us B-rank crossbows in their place.

That's why I don't see how adding A-rank double sabers to WT makes more sense than upgrading single Claw from A-rank to S-rank, for them.
Your dude can't use the best weapons of a certain type properly in one hand, but still he can magically use higher-tier versions of it in both hands with no sweat. Yeahrite... :confused:

[Arika]

They want people to use vivi's up coming weapon.

[panzer_unit]

Actually, it might be a lot more useful than Rising Strike for launch. Even as a topped off female human guntecher...that level 10 Rising Strike is a true gamble that it'll even perform the knockback/launch. It misses doing that all the time, with me. Enough that I can't count on it. Still, I only really find it more useful for soloing as in a group, I'm usually with folks that either make the launch not as important or can launch the thing much better than I could.

You can get a group with a GT? <rimshot/>

Anyway now you've got a real answer for those times a Kamatoze/Gainozeros/Bafal jumps you in a dark alley.

[Zorafim]

Well, it is easier to dual wield claws than single wield. All you need is basic dual wield training and basic instincts.


It's nice to see the game is still being updated. It's pretty relieving to see some of these changes, especially to cast fighmaster. And yes, I'm glad my class is being nerfed. This means I won't be missing out on dance dashing due to my low frame skip, that I won't have to rely on a ridiculous looking PA and can go back to my favorite looking PA for damage without gimping it, and that I may look a bit more unique looking using the SUV that I'm sure everyone is still going to use anyway.

I'm kind of interested in this whole lv20 cap, maybe it'll add more strategy to the game. At B rank cap, it means you can use weapons your class is poor at without any downside, and you can farm for perfect weapons without breaking your budget. Gives capped players something to do, and it may give me some motivation to actually try using the correct elements.
No Axes or Paradi, though...


I'm pretty impressed with this update, overall. I'm glad to see Sega's still working on the game.

[Calsetes]

I keep forgetting if it was single or twin claws that WT's don't get S-rank on. Single claws then. I want S-rank singles on my WT.

[Rust]

I only know it's single Claw because I can't equip the Falclaw on my beast. :wacko:

[Puppet_Papaya]

I am SOOOOO switching back to Guntecher for those damn doublesabers!

[hiraisho]

WT will be able to equip Double Sabers up to A rank.

:o:o:o

I never thought we would get access to those. :D

Used to be a fighgunner and have been missing using double sabers. Gone back a few times but I'm no longer used to playing without techs anymore XD.

Still not gonna buy tornado dance, hate that style of PA.

[Hrith]

Anga Jabroga will NO LONGER ignore ATA, you can now miss with this PAWhat about Ikk Hikk?


Dus Majarra's ATP modifier will be weakened.lulz


Tornado Dance will no longer travel as far.This one I'm very happy about, it was a very unfair TA advantage.


Paradi Cataract will have it's range and power reduced.This one hurts cast non-Fighmasters the most... pretty dumb.


All Types will have their stats adjusted and both GT and WT will be able to equip Double Sabers up to A rank.GT?...

That does not make either class much better, anyway...
Both these classes would need +10 skills to compete with the other advanced classes.

[fay]

yeeeeeeeeees. i LOVE this update. and i say this as my masterforce lol.

sorry just had to get that out. its about time another class got picked on rather than forces.
i use paradi but im happy its nerfed. it means we mighth start seeing some different ones. i always said it was too good to have both the atk power AND the best give out on END. it should one or the other.
i think we might see a few people going back to strum buster depending on how bad the attack power gets nerfed

[Juza]

Yeah, it's single claws we can't use. I was just quibbling over the confusion. Mostly because I have nothing constructive to add. I mean, A-Rank double sabers. Woo... Hoo?

Any further update is a good update though, even if this one's pretty meh in terms of doing anything for the state of WT. Though I'm regretting getting rid of all my low-rank, high-percent weapons now. :x

[NDW]

anyway, I m glad I use Beast FM.

Same here. :D

[autumn]

While this update won't do oodles for me if we ever get it US/EU side I'm glad to see it :D My FM is a newman who has decent ATA for jabroga and I prefer robado over majarra. Also I am glad to see the bow update, I love bows and my CASeal will be happy to have hers be more useful (go GT although I DO NOT understand why doublesabers of all things for it... >_>) I'm looking forward to seeing how the type rebalancing goes so someone on the JP side let us know pwease?

If the US/EU side got these kind of updates without the cash shop addition I'd be a very happy PSU player.

[Neith]

While this update won't do oodles for me if we ever get it US/EU side I'm glad to see it :D My FM is a newman who has decent ATA for jabroga and I prefer robado over majarra.

Awesome, another Newman FM :wacko:

I think the Majarra nerf/Jabroga nerf might hurt my FM, but really- a lot of people are kicking off about it already, and we don't know how much Majarra in particular will be nerfed. I mean, look at Chikki- that got a pretty huge nerf, and yet it's still an incredibly good PA. People threatening to quit on the official boards because of a Majarra nerf which our servers may not see for months is pretty pathetic.

I guess I'll just have to take a bit more care when I solo with my FM- I lack HP as it is, so nerfing her PA's might make things a bit less one-sided :lol:

[Inazuma]

i just spent months raising a new cast FM from scratch and im finally to the point of being pretty good, and then this happens...

you would think id be really pissed off but im actually happy about this. i will gladly return to MF if they become good again. bottom line, they need to better balance the chars and this is a large step in the right direction.

[Noblewine]

This looks interesting. I can't wait to see how it effects the game.

[Ffuzzy-Logik]

What about Ikk Hikk?

Ikk Hikk is only really good in one specific situation as it is (AF against a boss), so the ignoring ATA hardly makes it broken. I mean, in any other situation, Bogga Zubba is the superior knuckle PA.

[Freshellent]

I'm mildy amused by this update, although I must admit I had a hard time believeing this was real at first. Actually, I still don't think this is real.

Like everything else, we'll just have to wait and see.

[Shadwitz]

After being out of the loop for so long, some of this stuff really piques my interest.

[Dragwind]

My brow is raised. I'd have to say I'm most interested in the stat adjustments...again. Glad to see Jabroga will miss...sometimes, Paradi nerfed (welcome back Sturm and Grom :wacko:), and Majarra nerf? For some reason, I predict Majarra will remain pretty good.

[RemiusTA]

Update Patch arrives! Sh*tload of new stuff to muck around with!

Espio has to go to work, he can go through everything in detail when he gets back :P
But for now here are a few things that will make FM players very, very unhappy.

*Adjustments to the battle system:
Anga Jabroga will NO LONGER ignore ATA, you can now miss with this PA :D
Duus Majarra's ATP modifier will be weakened.
Tornado Dance will no longer travel as far.
Paradi Cataract will have it's range and power reduced.
Ascension Gifts' 16T attack will significantly increase in power.

All Types will have their stats adjusted and both GT and WT will be able to equip Double Sabers up to A rank.

Fucking Owned.

[stukasa]

People are assuming a lot about these conditional missions. Does it say anywhere that we can't use our A and S-rank equipment? Maybe they just drop our stats to the equivalent of a level 20 character but let us use the same palette? I find it hard to believe they'd make everyone buy a whole set of B-rank weapons, armor and units just to play a couple missions.

Also, we *could* get this update sooner than people think. The US/EU servers sometimes get system updates sooner than regular content updates. Then again, who knows? :p

[Astarin]

These adjustments all sound really shockingly... appropriate, actually.

Overpowered melee PA's? Fixed.

Longbows will have some use again.

GT getting double sabers is actually pretty cool. I find the biggest problem with GT are multi-target, bullet resistant enemies and bosses. I was thinking that they should get whips to fill that gap, but double sabers will work just as well. Even with level 10 skills (unless they fix that too - here's hoping!), it's nice to have a melee option.

WT getting double sabers is neat, I guess, but rather puzzling. In other words, it fits perfectly with the rest of their weapon selections.

Anyone else wondering exactly what the technic "limit breaks" are? I'm intrigued.

[SammaeltheDark]

What I'm interested in is does Sega have enough balls to make the /R missions next to impossible? Meaning, players will have to spend what bonus xp they make in failed runs on character enhancements to eventually make clearing them possible

[AlphaDragoon]

Nice, the broken PAs got nerfed. Now fix GM hax and all will be well.

[Hrith]

Ikk Hikk is only really good in one specific situation as it is (AF against a boss), so the ignoring ATA hardly makes it broken. I mean, in any other situation, Bogga Zubba is the superior knuckle PA.I'm aware, I'm just curious. Anga Jabroga was not the only skill with a glitched ATA modifier.

[Mysterious-G]

in any other situation, Bogga Zubba is the superior knuckle PA.

Zubba..? WTF!? ZUBBA?!
Stop fooling around! Calling this wannabe useful PA superior is a sin!

[Syl]

I'm still pretty surprised about GT's getting double sabers. It's a shame A rank ones don't look cool at all. At least it gives more options against those bullet resistant mobs, making soling a bit less painful. inb4omgusoloasGTlololol

Big shame this won't come until December 21, 2012.

[Akaimizu]

GT getting double sabers is actually pretty cool. I find the biggest problem with GT are multi-target, bullet resistant enemies and bosses. I was thinking that they should get whips to fill that gap, but double sabers will work just as well. Even with level 10 skills (unless they fix that too - here's hoping!), it's nice to have a melee option.

That was kind of an issue, but Shotguns often take care of that multi-target bullet resistant enemies thing. Considering it's precisely the multi-target stuff that allows a GT to counter the damage reduction in bullet resists. On the other hand, bullet resistant single target large enemies do pose more of a problem. Fortunately, they gave them a solution in certain attack techs + a Ranged mag. But that solution might be more for the human/newmans playing the class. This melee option might be more of a beast/cast thing.

Though the attack tech+Rmag is one I love for that situational aspect on a GT, when the specific bullet-resistant enemy you're facing is being too good at playing the knock-away game.

However, if (hypothetically) they nerf the Shotgun thing and took away the ability to 2x or 2.5x hit, that would remove a key GT tool.

[RAGNAGELPPOD]

Well A rank Neudais double sabres look pretty neat. And hmm...I thought it was odd to give Wartechers double sabres at first but now that I think about it, werent Fomars allowed to use double sabres back in PSO? It makes sense when you look at it that way. And if not then its just hommage to the tech casting Humars.

[InfiniDragon]

Majarra nerf?!

YYYYYYEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!

...Ahem. Now that that's out of the way, I agree with pretty much all of these nerfs. Jabroken needed to have ATA matter. Tornado Dance kinda will be useless with the short range, but I hardly use it anymore and JP players abuse it to high heaven, so OK. Paradi nerf SO needed to happen. Of course none of that affects me, as my FM is a human who never used Majarra and actually has ATA unlike you Beasts. Eat it, Majarra. XD

Longbow buff is awesome, but it really, really needs knockdown on 31+. GT and WT getting dubs is awesome. I always thought it should have been on other classes (I was thinking A rank on AF), so this is great.

Now...just nerf GM. If it doesn't happen and soon, we'll just see all the FM Haxarra spammers go to be GM shotty spammers.

[mvffin]

once again, they nerf things instead of making other classes better.

Let's see, GM and FM are both great classes, and MF sucks, so lets just nerf FM and leave the rest alone.

OH, and instead of higher level enemies, we're going to nerf your character that you spent hundreds of hours leveling, and make you fight level 20 enemies with B rank weapons again.

Fuck you too sega.

[EspioKaos]

On the longbow's increased firing rate, it just occurred to me that maybe now we'll be able to pull off some of the Obme's triple-shot hax. :wacko:

[RemiusTA]

Lol

Im loving how Fighmasters are the complaining that they aren't the head of the broken ones anymore. Fucking pleasure to my ears.


Im extremely intrigued by the status adjustments and these "Limit Break" technics. Are they Technics, or are they items that temporarly increase your technics?

If its a new technic that alllows my character to jump into the sky and rain hell down like an SUV, fackk yess plz.



Edit: And also, kudos to the Longbow update. Im actually really glad they did that, since longbows really were nothing but cooler looking (yet highly sucky) rifle ripoffs. I wanted to feel like legolas or someone off lord of the rings, but instead i feel like a rookie in a summer camp program.

[EspioKaos]

Im extremely intrigued by the status adjustments and these "Limit Break" technics. Are they Technics, or are they items that temporarly increase your technics?

The limit break things are just items. From how they're grouped with striking and ranged weapon PA LV+ items, they'll likely just be PA EXP mods for TECHNICs.

[RemiusTA]

Yeah i just noticed that too. Bummer.

They shouldn't use names that are so closely associated with badass attacks.

[Touka]

Did i misread a while back or was there supposed to be racial tweaks?Oh well so much for Human/Newman not being lower tier :/

[RemiusTA]

This is Sonic Team, sweety. For all we know the gap may become worse.

[Touka]

Oh no doubt about that.If it were any other company with half a brain they'd re-do the enemy AI along with all those nerfs but Sonic Team has said that they won't adjust the AI.

[mll]

WT gets Doublesabers ... why?
We have nowhere near enough ATA for them to be even vaguely useful. Particularly with them capped at a rank.
Completely pointless

[stukasa]

My *guess* is that ST wanted more people to play WT/GT so they added a weapon type not many classes can use as an incentive. I doubt they were thinking of it from a "what makes sense" perspective. :lol:

[Matic]

Maybe WTs will get more ATA as part of the stat changes. Who knows?

[mll]

Pity WT *can't* use them. Have you seen our ATA mod. Its the same as all the other dumb WT boosts. They don't actually improve the class in the least.

They'll be updating them again in a few months time with another pointless useless boost that no one wanted or can make use of.

[unicorn]

GT = LVL 10 Striking + Double Saber = ???
WT = Low ATA + Double Saber = 0's

But yeah, they're balancing out types, so maybe WT might get some higher ATA. GT wouldve been better off just getting S-rank Grenades, or Cards, or Shotguns, or TCSMS, anything practical.

Bows are useful now!? YAY!!! Good!!!

And Jabroga, Majarra, Tornado Dance, all needed nerfs.

And goodbye rein of CAST FM leetists! =3

[Mewnie]

hmm.. chousei sou might be useful?

[unicorn]

hmm.. chousei sou might be useful?


=D Its a good thing I lvled that one! ^^

[Syl]

But yeah, they're balancing out types, so maybe WT might get some higher ATA. GT wouldve been better off just getting S-rank Grenades, or Cards, or Shotguns, or TCSMS, anything practical.


GT + G.Launcher = lolwut

As cool as that would be it's not a GT weapon. Then again dubs aren't either, but at least that's compromised with the lvl 10 skills. It makes to give us another weapon with knockbacks/multi-targeting that isn't a gun.

S rank cards would have made much more sense IMO, I'm still really surprised it hasn't been done yet :/

[TekkamanCrazy]

Wow, the nerfing will cause a huge up rising. Well atleast for the JP severs. LOL

[RemiusTA]

GT's have technics, they dont need Grenades.

[RadiantLegend]

As a Cast FM....

jabroga nerf: oh well it was going to happen anyway. Still have redda and dugrega.

Majarra nerf: Fell in love with dus daggas and robado is still good.

Tornado dance nerf: Since I have a sucky computer I'm stuck on frame skip 2. I'm already NERFED.

Ps2's ability to change frame skip, maybe its just me, but "bring on more lag".

[Ffuzzy-Logik]

WT gets Doublesabers ... why? The same reason GT gets them: to encourage more people to use the Vivienne. Least that's all I can think of.

[The_Brimada]

hmm.. chousei sou might be useful?

That was the first thing that came to my mind when I saw the bow update. Masei-sou however...>_>

Gt with double sabers sound weird, but I still rather have that than upgrading A rank cards to S. Though it would be nice to have it'd just be for looks to me. :x

With the doublesabers and the ata thing, think hunewearl(for you PSO players)....

I know a lot of people who made their huneys Wartechers in PSU and they are extremely elated about the addition of double sabers.

[mll]

You could upgrade your ata in PSO though. Just about every hunewearl did.
I'd be one of the people who made their huney a WT.

[MadDogg]

Man, PA nerfs like this make me glad that I have every single PA leveled in the game for hunters, feel sorry for the players that went through the game with only majarra and jabroga lol.

[NDW]

I'm still pretty surprised about GT's getting double sabers. It's a shame A rank ones don't look cool at all. At least it gives more options against those bullet resistant mobs, making soling a bit less painful. inb4omgusoloasGTlololol

Big shame this won't come until December 21, 2012.

That would be on my 22nd birthday! :o

[unicorn]

GT + G.Launcher = lolwut

As cool as that would be it's not a GT weapon. Then again dubs aren't either, but at least that's compromised with the lvl 10 skills. It makes to give us another weapon with knockbacks/multi-targeting that isn't a gun.

S rank cards would have made much more sense IMO, I'm still really surprised it hasn't been done yet :/

Then what other boss killer should GT get? Cards would make sense, but GT already has enough one-target weapons. Grenades would be nice since Gunmaster can't use them, and GT might be able to compete with PT.

Hmmm, and maybe theres going to be more A-rank Double Sabers so thats why WT gets access to them? Although WT has toooo many A-ranks as it is.....

[Sexy_Raine]

i just spent months raising a new cast FM from scratch and im finally to the point of being pretty good, and then this happens...

you would think id be really pissed off but im actually happy about this. i will gladly return to MF if they become good again. bottom line, they need to better balance the chars and this is a large step in the right direction.

It's gonna take a lot for me to forgive Masterforce, it has to be on par or near with Gunmaster for me to give it a second chance.

Other than that, I'll continue to whore Gunmaster until there's actually another class worth using as multi-classing and variety are worthless to me. Fortegunner still gets nothing new, so it will continue to be worthless to GM.

I have no problems abusing GM, if I feel it's still the most worthwhile class and strongest ranger type. It better not be nerfed, as it's the only class I enjoy after MF sucking.

[Arika]

People are assuming a lot about these conditional missions. Does it say anywhere that we can't use our A and S-rank equipment? Maybe they just drop our stats to the equivalent of a level 20 character but let us use the same palette? I find it hard to believe they'd make everyone buy a whole set of B-rank weapons, armor and units just to play a couple missions.

Also, we *could* get this update sooner than people think. The US/EU servers sometimes get system updates sooner than regular content updates. Then again, who knows? :p


1. Nobody know it yet, but assume a lot of new C-B rank PSP weapons is coming, they might force people to use them somehow.

2. On the system update, yeah, we always get all the update relate to "nerf" early, so no worry there :wacko: but all other good system update might come real slow :S

[unicorn]

2. On the system update, yeah, we always get all the update relate to "nerf" early, so no worry there :wacko: but all other good system update might come real slow :S


Thats true. We got the death penalty removal, Visual-tech nerf, etc quicker than JP implemented theirs. And by Visual-tech nerf quick, I mean...MF was only around for 3 weeks before they nerfed their visuals, while JP had blinding-MF for a couple months I believe.

[MaximusLight]

YES!

I can now happily be a Wartecher! /haha

Seriously though this should shush some people up, I'd say.

[AlphaDragoon]

Im loving how Fighmasters are the complaining that they aren't the head of the broken ones anymore. Fucking pleasure to my ears.

I don't care about any of the nerfs (I'm an AF, and HATE Majarra) but still. If you truly care about balance and not "sticking it to fighter classes" you'd want GM to feel the nerf bat too. Because holy crap is GM broken. :lol:

[InfiniDragon]

Lol

Im loving how Fighmasters are the complaining that they aren't the head of the broken ones anymore. Fucking pleasure to my ears.


Im extremely intrigued by the status adjustments and these "Limit Break" technics. Are they Technics, or are they items that temporarly increase your technics?

If its a new technic that alllows my character to jump into the sky and rain hell down like an SUV, [I]fackk yess plz.

I'm loving how you actually thought that at first this would actually be some awesome attack for Techers. We all know Segac doesn't care unless you're a Beast or a CAST whether you want a super attack or not. XD

As for me, just expressing my absolute delight again at Paradi and Majarra being nerfed. Oh happy day.

EDIT: And yes, GM most definitely needs the next nerf. Like NOW.

[HienkyakuX]

Why is such a surprise about GT getting doubles? We have seen Lou since day 1 with rifle,double,rod only thing GT need is A rank rod to be like her :P

I really wish they did some work with techs. Come on it's a joke that gi-techs can only hit 6 targets when ra-techs hit up to 5 depending on the class. With out mentioning a few other things that can be improve with them.

[Micro]

Finally got around to reading the entire thread. Gotta say I'm pretty excited about these changes. The lolnerfs don't bother me at all. As others have stated, Majarra will probably remain a good PA, if not then oh well, Daggas is still sexy. :wacko:

[cheapgunner]

I'm loving how you actually thought that at first this would actually be some awesome attack for Techers. We all know Segac doesn't care unless you're a Beast or a CAST whether you want a super attack or not. XD

As for me, just expressing my absolute delight again at Paradi and Majarra being nerfed. Oh happy day.

EDIT: And yes, GM most definitely needs the next nerf. Like NOW.

My friend thinks that FG is better for soloing than GM is and he has 50% spears saying how that GM can't handle multi-hit boxxed creatures like drua gohra well. This update is gonna make him rethink his idea about that in the future.:p Techers need a boost badly. Having Gi-spells including megiverse and regrant(minus the se >.>) should multi-hit creatures. Only a suggestion though.

[That Guy]

Wooo, nerfing overpowered pa's! Even though I use half of them, I don't mind. Form over function and all that. But seriously, Guntecher...double saber? Why? Why not Acrofighter? And why am I the only one to say that?

[hunterseifer]

Not really a shock when they nerfed most spammed of the FM skills, but I lvl'd every pa for FM so I'm good. Just have to get this game on pc so the tornado dance nerf doesnt affect me :p Its great they did this since most skills atm (all sword skills as example) is overlooked since of majarra and jabroga are overpowered @_@

[InfiniDragon]

Yeah, it's times like this I'm happy I'm a sword user and not a mindless spear spamming noob like say...85% of melee players out there. XD

[MiaRitz]

Wow o.o

As Beast AND Cast FM AND GM Im exited for this update.
More Reasons to use a larger variety of PAs as FM as well as both Races.
I Just hope GM wont be the only overpowered class after this.

Those statt rebalancings really make you wonder, how will they turn out?
Will we really have balanced classes / Races or class / race Combos?
Looking at STs track record I would have to guess....LOL NO.
But still, curios to see the kind of mess this will cause XD

[Ezodagrom]

Well, maybe GM will be nerfed with the stats adjustment (or other classes will get stronger). o:

[redroses]

Ok, I am the only excited about the new clothes and parts being releases :O
btw. will they be released right away tomorrow or first later on?
I am also excited to see all the weapons and see what Ranks a lot of them will have etc.
And of course, the new SUVs :D

[EspioKaos]

Ok, I am the only excited about the new clothes and parts being releases :O
btw. will they be released right away tomorrow or first later on?

Some new clothes will be released tomorrow with even more to be released down the road.

[Aeris]

I wonder what they will look like when they come out, i hope its something to look good in from the new clothes.

[Angry_Ryudo]

Are those really new clothes or only colors for the existing ones (a friend of mine doesn't find the men's blue swimwear, for example)?

Will be released the PM matching clothes in PSU then?

[Arika]

Are those really new clothes or only colors for the existing ones (a friend of mine doesn't find the men's blue swimwear, for example)?

Will be released the PM matching clothes in PSU then?

Actually, the clothes in AoI data should be already all released, so which color do you refer to?

I figure that they might bring more data from NPC to make those new clothes. and I think it is possible be PM clothes.

[Calsetes]

That'd be nice, I always wondered why they had the little stewardess cap but never the stewardess clothes that went with it. A few other NPCs that I've wondered about clothing-wise too, like the one cast that wears the AMF military clothes. That'd look nice on my cast, I think.

[Angry_Ryudo]

Actually, the clothes in AoI data should be already all released, so which color do you refer to?

I figure that they might bring more data from NPC to make those new clothes. and I think it is possible be PM clothes.
This is the color. He says that doesn't exist on non-JP servers.
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[stukasa]

Ok, I am the only excited about the new clothes and parts being releases :O
btw. will they be released right away tomorrow or first later on?
I am also excited to see all the weapons and see what Ranks a lot of them will have etc.
And of course, the new SUVs :D
I want new clothes and parts too! ;o But I'm waiting to see what they are before I get excited about them. :D

[Calsetes]

Really? I could swear I saw that one before....

Are they still buyable in the shop on the colony? I know that the bikinis they had during 1-up cup were supposedly different colors from the ones you can get in the item exchange mission now.

[ashley50]

new parts eh?

hope they look good...
hmmm, i wonder if this is worth checking out though ;l

[pinkace]

this confirms what i said on this thread:

http://www.pso-world.com/forums/showthread.php?t=160804

MS has to approve everything on their servers months in advance, that's why 360 wasn't mentioned.

This sucks :(

[Kylie]

GT and WT get double sabers? I think that's a bit random and doesn't solve many of the issues those two classes have, but I guess it really doesn't hurt anything. There's not much else to criticize. The other adjustments have been a long time coming; in fact, maybe too long, especially since it's not like the NA/EU servers will see any of this anytime soon.

[IrisForscythe]

and techers are ignored again (Except for War/Gun techer)

AoE spells need to hit multiple hit boxes >\

[kevington]

AoE spells need to hit multiple hit boxes >\
This can't be stated enough.

Give AoE spells multi-hit box capability, raise HP a bit and up the SEs (all 41+ techs should have SE5) and I'd be happy.

[watashiwa]

this confirms what i said on this thread:

http://www.pso-world.com/forums/showthread.php?t=160804

MS has to approve everything on their servers months in advance, that's why 360 wasn't mentioned.

This sucks :(

No, it's because the Japanese 360 server (since it's shared with US 360) follows the US PS2/PC/360 update road plan and always has.

[_Vyser_]

Good, glad for all the nerfs. Never really liked FM in the first place, so now I really don't have any reason to play it now. Even as a CAST, I'm glad they're finally nerfing Paradi; now I can carry Grom around and not feel like I'm doing less damage than I could! >:O

As long as nothing terrible happens to AF, GM, or MF, I'm gonna love this update! Should be fun to see the new parts/clothes/weapons in the upcoming weeks. :D

[Hrith]

Well the funniest thing about this update is that gunners were already better before...

[fay]

they cant do anything bad to MF. i dont think it could get much worse and still be playable. the HP on it is just disgraceful

[GUNcrazy12]

I really don't see why they nerf anything. If it is to promote choosing different races, no, I see just enough variety.
Because nerfing Majarra? Come on! I have a spear pallet and I use always use it! This ruins my spear thing pretty much. And I've never herd someone get all pissy about me killing enemies. And people shouldn't bitch about one class doing more damage than another.
Oh waaaaaa! You do more damage than me! I'm
gonna go be emo and cry about it!
Who cares if people spam paradi and stuff? Really, why does it matter? Some races SHOULD be better than another! That's what makes the game good, some races are better than others for different reasons. Embrace that and stop whining!!!

[ARASHIKAGE]

So hunter PAs getting nurfed along with paradi...
I personaly don't see a problem with reajusting things in the game. What really makes my blood boil is how long it takes before they do anything. It just shows how much they half ass this game. Those PAs came out around the release of True Darkness, sence then we have had many updates including a new expantion disk. How long has it been almost two years now? What a bunch of fuck-head monkeys on computers who can't take a piss unless Sega of Japan is there to walk them to the ladies room. It feels like being in a bad relationship and you keep getting the crap beaten out of you, but we all stick around because they say their going to change right?

[Calsetes]

Well, the whole "race" thing was originally like this:

Humans are balanced - not the best but not the worst at whatever they did. They're the "baseline" race.

Newmans were tech-oriented - they excel at tech classes and do everything else a little worse off than baseline, but not unbearably worse.

Casts are accurate - they're ranged classes, since they have higher accuracy than the other races, and do everything else a little worse than baseline, but since their techs are so much worse than the other three classes, they get a special.

Beasts are powerful - they excel at fighting, and a little worse at everything else than baseline. They're hit a little more in the accuracy and tech department, so they also get a special.

That's the way I saw it back when the game was coming out, and even back when the game first came out for the first month or three. After that, people realized that at higher levels, it was pretty much negligible except for extreme cases (newman forces having a significant boost in some stats over, say, a cast) and it got to be that beast and cast were slightly overpowered with SUVs and nanos, but nothing that severely disjointed the game. Over time, it eventually became more and more weighted towards classes that have high ATP, which is where the casts and beasts come out on top. Then the addition of Paradi made things more weighty in the casts' favor, since it could be fired off multiple times in a mission, hit everything on the map (for the most part), and had such high damage.

As for PAs, I have no idea why Majarra is as strong as it is, but (and this is just my opinion, so feel free to blow it off if you want) basing your whole palette on one weapon and one PA is kind of a foolhardy move. I usually recommend specializing in three weapons, and getting all of the PAs for them to max just in case they do something like this.

Killing enemies is not a problem for me, as long as I actually get to hit the enemies. If I run with someone who literally runs into a room, kills everything before anyone else fires so much as a shot at a mob, and then runs on is a little inconsiderate. I tend to use one or two regular attacks before I focus strictly on killing as fast as possible, or I use an AoE that can at least tag everything first, maybe use it twice (just to give my team a chance to tag). If you've ever been on the end of an all-cast party that fires paradi one after another and kills multiple spawns of small mobs in one sitting, then you know how it feels to watch 3 rooms go by without any XP going to you. Again, nothing I'm going to cry, whine, bitch, moan, and groan about, but I'd ask if they could slow down a bit, let the others tag them before they fire their SUVs off or something. If they do, cool. If not, I usually end up leaving after another minute or three and find another party to run with (unless I'm the leader, in which case I ask a few more times before I start booting individual people).

I guess my point is that the game really does need balancing, and if you can't see that, then try playing other races and classes before stating again that everything's fine.

[GeekRuler]

Back to important things, do we know what the clothes look like? :D!

[Zyrusticae]

Back to important things, do we know what the clothes look like? :D!

Wait for the patch to be released, first. Geeze.

The 26th is tomorrow. Give it a day.

[fighgunners]

Frameskip option for PS2

Holy shit, PS2 is now not part of the crap end of the stick anymore! :D

Now there is no real difference other than chat log between PS2 and PC.

[Sexy_Raine]

I really hope it's Melton's outfit, don't really care for anything else. Either gray or blue would be awesome for Nova.

[RemiusTA]

Frameskip option for PS2

Holy shit, PS2 is now not part of the crap end of the stick anymore! :D

Now there is no real difference other than chat log between PS2 and PC.

PSU feels like a completely different game on 0 frameskip.

Im almost positive the PS2 version will let you RAISE the frameskip, not lower it. Ill take the visual rape if my characters no longer take 10 seconds to exectue an attack.


That was a really good idea on ST's part. If they can allow the PS2 users to set frameskip, why the hell cant they implement a "view lv 31+ technics" option then? At least the frameskip will allow PS2 users to keep up with PC users.

[fighgunners]

I just want to be able to hit at least 3k still with paradi. but I do agree with you, it does take a long time to get everything out even it is on a disc. however I think there is a reason behind this and an unseen element that causes such a long time, probably because PS2 Xbox 360 and PC all use different code types and video transfer systems than one another. Nonetheless, it does seem to take too long for a company that is solely build on making video games, and Sonic and Phantasy Star being the only two real original series they have left.

[fighgunners]

PSU feels like a completely different game on 0 frameskip.

Im almost positive the PS2 version will let you RAISE the frameskip, not lower it. Ill take the visual rape if my characters no longer take 10 seconds to exectue an attack.


That was a really good idea on ST's part. If they can allow the PS2 users to set frameskip, why the hell cant they implement a "view lv 31+ technics" option then? At least the frameskip will allow PS2 users to keep up with PC users.

Tornado Dance doesn't travel anymore so frameskip loses all meaning on melee now XD

[zandra117]

New area
* The 3rd floor of Clyez City will have a new area added to it: Bodyguard Department. (Accessible to ver.1 players.)

does that mean that AOTI players can't play PSU's version of C-Mode? or were you just noting that ver.1 players can play it along with AOTI players?

[EspioKaos]

does that mean that AOTI players can't play PSU's version of C-Mode? or were you just noting that ver.1 players can play it along with AOTI players?

Just noting that ver.1 players will be able to enter the lobby. I actually don't think they'll be able to play the missions, however, since none of the missions on the official site have the ver.1 compatibility note next to them. The lobby may serve as just a tease to ver.1 players with the whole look-but-don't-touch thing like when we got the massive pre-expansion update that listed new missions at old counters, but wouldn't let you play them until you had the expansion.

[Ace1jeM]

Tornado Dance doesn't travel anymore so frameskip loses all meaning on melee now XD

Eh, not really. Jabroga goes further with FS 0. When I was using FS 1, the jump was really small. FS 0 is so much better.

[HienkyakuX]

If they really want to make the game challenging they need to work more to improve force and lets say double the stats of all monsters. Leaving lv only to determine the drop not the difficulty.

[pikachief]

balances all look good and correct.

challenge mode type levels all look like fun and my type of levels :D

and new clothes!? I CANT WAIT TO SEE :D ^^

[unicorn]

I dont really think Fighters are going to get much weaker actually.

So the most common PAs are weakened. Spiral Dance is an alternative to Majarra, Robado works just as good, Dugrega and Redda are good, etc. Although the nerfed PAs were REALLY needing a nerf.

I don't think MF is going to be able to catch up with either FM and GM in TAs yet. GT/WT/FT/AF all still fall behind. AT/PT/FI are still going to be borderline useful, borderline useless.

GM is still broken to death too.

But who knows, maybe the stat rebalances might fix all this.

[chicken105]

I dont really think Fighters are going to get much weaker actually.

So the most common PAs are weakened. Spiral Dance is an alternative to Majarra, Robado works just as good, Dugrega and Redda are good, etc. Although the nerfed PAs were REALLY needing a nerf.

I don't think MF is going to be able to catch up with either FM and GM in TAs yet. GT/WT/FT/AF all still fall behind. AT/PT/FI are still going to be borderline useful, borderline useless.

GM is still broken to death too.

But who knows, maybe the stat rebalances might fix all this.
Dugrega will never be better than jabroga. If it is there will always be something that will be better than dugrega. Same with redda.

[Zabrio]

Tornado Dance's movement speed decreased.

lol looks like no more TD races :P

[ashley50]

its good that TD speed will decrease as it annoys me when FMs use it to move around...

[TheUpstreamer]

Oh lawd, I can't wait for the new clothes. I could seriously only come up with one outfit that doesn't look completely ridiculous / like everyone else. I know that it might be my fault for that, but it's seriously hard to come up with good stuff as a male.

[FOnewearl-Lina]

It appears that all types bar basic, fortefighter and fighmaster are gonna get their base attack (ATP/TAP) increased :o
Why would you change that? Of all things they should be lowering base stats so that the weapon stats actually mattered, even before this change damage between different S rank shotguns was negligible.

[Phoenix_Black]

I havn't read this thread yet, but how 'bout them Limit Break spells. Are those those spells I heard someone talking about that were only mentioned in Storymode(where they had been made illegal).

[Jarek]

Intriguing
I did like c mode on pso, so these challenge missions interest me a bit - as long as there are some new map variations/puzzle things to it. Otherwise, meh.

Suppose I'll check back over the weekend to see how it's all playing out.

[GreenArcher]

Wow. Reading this really makes me feel like we have a reason to keep playing. I'm coming back

[RemiusTA]

Tornado Dance doesn't travel anymore so frameskip loses all meaning on melee now XD

Im not even talking about skills, lol. The whole game just feels 10x more polished on 0 frameskip for some reason.

[The_Brimada]

http://phantasystaruniverse.jp/news/update/adjustment/suv_pa/

I don't know JP too well and I know google translate fails, but am I just sleepy or is it saying there is going to be lvl 41 bows and nades?

[Ezodagrom]

They also have something about the stats adjustment:
http://phantasystaruniverse.jp/news/update/adjustment/type/

[RemiusTA]

http://phantasystaruniverse.jp/news/update/adjustment/suv_pa/

I don't know JP too well and I know google translate fails, but am I just sleepy or is it saying there is going to be lvl 41 bows and nades?

looks like among the nerfing of majjara and jarborga, they upgraded most of the other PA's too.

Looks like most bullets got improved, and it seems like a few technics got stronger.

edit:^

[FOnewearl-Lina]

Connected to servers and downloading patch file. . . .
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Protip: Turtle moves at slow pace.

[RemiusTA]

lawl

time to see if Sonic Team can redeem the final PSU attempt.

[FOnewearl-Lina]

Apparently they broke a ton of things while implementing the update (for example concentrate unit doesn't slow down tech casting anymore), so don't expect salvation.

PS. Download now at 1%

[biggabertha]

Wow, cool!!

Longbow has Lv. 41 next to it and a SE 5 in the text box..!

Grenades also get Lv. 41 bullets too - awesome!

(Now please give these to Protranser...! If just Fortegunner/Fortetecher/Guntecher gets exclusive Lv. 50 PAs... I'll cry then switch, heh.)

Man... I sure hope Guntechers don't get Grenade Launchers and then get to use them to Lv. 50 straight away...


Also, a hell of a lot of changes made to a lot of PAs... it says stuff like how lots of PP costs for things are going down and upping the power... wow, cool!

Boma Maga getting an extra target at 41+ sounds nice too - as well as PP consumptions going down all over the PA Fragment PAs, Twin Penetration getting a Range reduction and errr... more power...?


But the nicest ones seem to be the changes made to TECHNICs... looks like there are some extra targets for the Foie and Diga - as well as errr... faster casting..?


Damn, I need to learn Japanese...!

[The_Brimada]

wooot I really do get a free period XD

[EspioKaos]

In one of the exchange missions, you can exchange AMP for various materials (Catinium, Ydral, -polymers, Walnas, etc.) as well as some new clothes and a new SUV weapon.

* Bikini Swim Pants
* Bikini Swim Shoes
* Bikini Swim Top
* Bikini Swim Bottom
* Bikini Swim Sandals
* Rafal Burst

And with Bruce's exchange mission, you can trade for the beef weapons from PSP. Not all of them are out, but here are the ones in his inventory.

* Beeftade Medium
* Beeftade Welldone
* Beeftend Media
* Beeftend Welda
* Roasted Medium
* Roasted Welda
* Twin Beeftaber M
* Twin Beeftaber W
* Beeftaber Medium
* Beeftaber Welda
* Beeftade Rare
* Beeftend Rare
* Roasted Rare
* Twin Beeftaber R
* Beeftaber Rare

When I have more time, I'll play some of the /R missions to earn some points to use for these exchanges. But in the meantime, I've got to get ready for work. D:

[The_Brimada]

WTF happened to my paradi! its 3 END ;_;

[Magus_84]

WTF happened to my paradi! its 3 END ;_;

Sorry Brim, but lulz. >_>

[biggabertha]

Wow, dropped from 5 down to 3..?

Daaaaamn.... but it gives us non-casts a nice help..!!

Really glad, giddy and gay that these things are happening!!

I really cannot wait for a lot of these things to come over!! (I so want Protranser to have Lv. 50 bullets...)

[The_Brimada]

Not that my STA was spectacular as GM anyway

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And the SUV is...
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Mind you, I'm only 85/GM5 so these numbers mean nothing really...
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+ paradi
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[RemiusTA]

Apparently they broke a ton of things while implementing the update (for example concentrate unit doesn't slow down tech casting anymore), so don't expect salvation.

PS. Download now at 1%

Techs suck so bad anything that lowers speed makes you supersuck

[FOnewearl-Lina]

*can't get into room*
Hi! another maintenance!

[The_Brimada]

Well I couldn't get into my room but I don't think I was supposed to be able to either >.>

[FOnewearl-Lina]

They're willing to finish maintenance 1 hour early and let all the other bugs slide, but as soon as room server goes down, that's serious business!

[syouz]

Frowns from all the FM players, for sure :lol:

The complaining's already started on our official boards :wacko: It's funny, everyone complained the game was too easy, but when ST balance things to make it a bit more challenging (a bit...), people start complaining anyway?

In short, FM players: You know those other PA's? You might wanna start working on them if these changes are drastic :lol:

NightTerror Cast150 Male/20 Fightmaster/20 Fortefighter /20 Protanser/ 20 FightGunner
Gt syous22

I can teach u how real Fightmasters play :argh:

Anga Redda 50
Anga Dugrea 50
Anga Jabroga 50
Dus Daggas 50
Dus Majarra 50
Dus Robado 50
Gravity Break 47(working on it)8-)
Tornado Break 50
Spining Break 50
Gravity Dance 50
Tornado Dance 50
Spiral Dance 50
Absolute Dance 41(working on it)8-)

[Kazemi]

managed to poke one of the conditional missions before the servers went down.

the party size is 1 to 4, so you can solo them. the enemies have boosted hp and exp too though i'm not sure about other stats. and you are bound to level 20 stats, that includes equipment requirements so master jobs are rather borked for these. anything that you have on that you can't use at lv 20 will get ripped off, btw.

[The_Brimada]

Random pics before server went down
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b323/mdbrim2004/psu20090326_063324_002.jpg

[spoiler-box]
Hello double sabers
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b323/mdbrim2004/psu20090326_063520_003.jpg
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Wanted to take a look at bow PAs, but guess I'll have to do that later.

[desturel]

you are bound to level 20 stats, that includes equipment requirements so master jobs are rather borked for these. anything that you have on that you can't use at lv 20 will get ripped off, btw.

So, B ranks FTW? Or have they boosted stats enough that you can equip A rank armor and weapons at level 20? Either way I'm ready with a bunch of stuff that people told me I was crazy for keeping around. (lol, full set of Ageha-senba.)

[FOnewearl-Lina]

Apparently you keep your type level, so your stats are pretty high if your type level is at 20.
Going on this Master classes would have enough stat to equip most of their S rank weapons, just not S rank armor... So if you feel like running around armorless, there's really isn't anything stopping you from playing a Master in /R missions.
Most of the other classes will be stuck using A rank weapons (or B if you're a hybrid).

[desturel]

http://phantasystaruniverse.jp/news/update/adjustment/suv_pa/

Okay, so I looked through the page

Gravity Break hits a different amount of targets on part 2 and 3? Does that mean they are dropping it down to one or increasing it to more than 2 and 3?

Spinning Break will become stronger... I still probably won't use it often.

Tornado Break gets stronger. Maybe around the Dus Robaddo level. I'll wait until more info is posted.

Bogga Zubba costs less PP... not that I ever ran out of PP while doing Zubba anyway. I could run through most missions with one pair of knuckles if I was spamming Zubba. Just attack recharges a lot of PP on knuckles.

Bogga Robaddo gets stronger. Meh, it was strong enough, but okay.

First and second stage of Daggas changes, but it doesn't say how it changes. :/

Majarra costs more and is weaker. No surprise.

Dus Robaddo gets stronger. WTF? Wasn't Robaddo already hella strong? Now it's getting stronger?

Crap, almost time for work. Guess I can't go over all of it.

Chosei-sou gets cheaper to use.
Masei-sou gets stronger.

I want to say "so what", but with the speed increase, they might actually be useful. I'll have to wait and see.



Apparently you keep your type level, so your stats are pretty high if your type level is at 20.
Going on this Master classes would have enough stat to equip most of their S rank weapons, just not S rank armor... So if you feel like running around armorless, there's really isn't anything stopping you from playing a Master in /R missions.
Most of the other classes will be stuck using A rank weapons (or B if you're a hybrid).

Serafi-senba has a pretty low equip requirement so if you can't equip those, you won't be able to equip most GRM or Tenora A rank armor. Other than that, equiping S rank weapons would probably be something a neuman fortetecher/masterforce could do at level 20 (halarod has pretty low equip), but fortefighters might have a problem with certain weapons (knuckles and axes for example). I'll just have to wait and see. :)

[biggabertha]

n.n If you get to keep your job level, that's really good - Male human Gunmaster can still use a Shigga Baret, so I'm kinda lucky..!

The 40 or so DFP hurts though... x.x;

But man.... even Female Newman Masterforces cannot equip Psycho Wands at this point. If they don't have a boost in TP, you guys have to go and buy the Halarods and the Kazarods going around! Ha ha ha ha ha ha!!! (Everyone else is kinda screwed though.... ._.)


Fortefighter has one of the highest - if not THE highest DFP modifier. They can equip the Serafi-Senba at that level with just 88 DFP and that's as a male beast Fortefighter 20... (Serafi-senba needs 75 to equip) (Ahh... oh well, female humans have 84 DFP at that level, heh..) but pretty much everyone else gets around 40-60DFP so... A rank Yohmei stuff for us then, heh.

[FOnewearl-Lina]

Serafi-senba has a pretty low equip requirement so if you can't equip those, you won't be able to equip most GRM or Tenora A rank armor. Other than that, equiping S rank weapons would probably be something a neuman fortetecher/masterforce could do at level 20 (halarod has pretty low equip), but fortefighters might have a problem with certain weapons (knuckles and axes for example). I'll just have to wait and see. :)
You need 75DFP to equip S rank armors, but you only need 47DFP to equip A rank.

According to Amesani's Stat Simulator;
LV20 Male Beast FM20 has 416ATP and 79DFP,
LV20 Male Cast GM20 has 255ATA and 56DFP and,
LV20 Female Newman MF20 has 504TP and 43DFP.
So the MF would already be able to equip all Madoogs/Wands and Rods up to 11s + Rabbit and Dalganrod and the GM all weapons except for the Adana Degana Cannon at level 20, but no S rank armor whereas the FM would be able to equip the armor but no weapons!

[Neith]

Tornado Break gets stronger. Maybe around the Dus Robaddo level. I'll wait until more info is posted.

Bogga Robaddo gets stronger. Meh, it was strong enough, but okay.

First and second stage of Daggas changes, but it doesn't say how it changes. :/

Majarra costs more and is weaker. No surprise.


- Hell yeah for Tornado Break- I'm so glad I have it at Lv40+ :lol:
- Same for Bogga Robado, might make me use knuckles more often too!
- I will laugh so hard if Daggas got made stronger. Spear-users go oldschool again? :lol:

Also, lol @ Paradi's damage now (and a STA reduction too? This is golden.) If Rafal Burst is just an S-Rank version of Rafal Attacker, I'll be all over it. I've always liked Rafal but stopped using it when Paradi/Sturm took over as kings. I guess I'd like to be a little different. Still hoping for an S-Rank Gigas Espada...

Edit: Also, hel yeh for multi-part bikinis <3 Now skanking out a character will be even easier! :wacko:

[pikachief]

i remember 2 situations that should help me :)

1. I had a friend who wanted to use a meteor cannon before lvl 20 (i think this was before even lvl 20 classes came out lol) and he did.

2. I had a friend who wanted to use paradi as his first SUV at lvl 20. at lvl 19 GM lvl3, he was still like 16 or so DFP behind, idk if GM gives a lot of defense tho but at 20/20GM your might havent just enough defense for serafi senba

[Arika]

Gravity Break hits a different amount of targets on part 2 and 3? Does that mean they are dropping it down to one or increasing it to more than 2 and 3?

No, opposite, from what I read.. it say that it change from 2-3 target at 2nd and 3rd part to only "1 target"
but they will increase ATP to make this PA "single target" expert! which is nice :wacko:


EDIT: Arika might back to her old old long story of Wartecher again, it is the only job that not only get new weapon, it still has all stat increase!! (all!)

[biggabertha]

Only hits one target through the whole thing..?!

It'd better be like, 600% or something crazy or it's going to be left behind like Spinning Strike.

[Ail]

EDIT: Arika might back to her old old long story of Wartecher again, it is the only job that not only get new weapon, it still has all stat increase!! (all!)

and what about fighgunner stats? how they changed it?

[biggabertha]

Just ATP by the looks of things.

Wartecher getting a huge global buff sounds awesome - unless it's just like 1 or 2%... ._.

Hopefully, they'll get more TP than Guntecher, more ATA, more ATP and more delicious Evasion to take advantage of that invincible Just Counter.


Just a thought... if Just Counters now make the user invincible, does that mean that a Techer Just Countering a hold TECHNIC is going to be invincible for however long it lasts..? Will Megiverse/Dam TECHNICs become awesomely powerful now...?

[Arika]

No, it only invincible for a little while.


Nobody have enough time to check through all the stat yet, it has emergency maintenance up.

Btw, GT have the same ATP as GM now. lawl

[biggabertha]

GT have the same ATP as GM now.

Ha ha ha ha!! Man... that's crazy...

What's next..?! Wartecher has the same ATP as an Acrofighter..?!

[Arika]

Ha ha ha ha!! Man... that's crazy...

What's next..?! Wartecher has the same ATP as an Acrofighter..?!

nooo~... please let it has the same ATP as FM..

[FOnewearl-Lina]

hi, R O L L B A C K

[EspioKaos]

hi, R O L L B A C K

http://phantasystaruniverse.jp/news/wis/?mode=view&id=867

Yes indeed! Not much of one, at least.

[FOnewearl-Lina]

Apparently items deposited into the shared box disappeared or could be duped, so it's a pretty nasty bug regardless.

[EspioKaos]

Ooh. At least it was caught early on, then.

[desturel]

No, opposite, from what I read.. it say that it change from 2-3 target at 2nd and 3rd part to only "1 target"
but they will increase ATP to make this PA "single target" expert! which is nice :wacko:


Single target Gravity Break is okay with me as long as they make the second and third parts stronger (I want part 3 of Gravity Break to be stronger than part 3 of Redda if it's limited to one target).

[FOnewearl-Lina]

Entire update got rolled back ^^

[Aorre]

Hoorah for Sonichi!

[EspioKaos]

Entire update got rolled back ^^

Well, fuck. I was looking forward to playing around with all of the new stuff when I got home from work. Hopefully they'll get everything worked out soon. :<

[ashley50]

lol a rollback? really now? That's quite rare to happen on JP ;p

(at least I think so)

[Chocolate]

Damn i was looking forward to seeing the protranser changes :(

[Rayokarna]

Damn i was looking forward to seeing the protranser changes :(

From the PA changes to Bows and Grenades they might get level 41+ bullets too.

[Chocolate]

From the PA changes to Bows and Grenades they might get level 41+ bullets too.

That would be so awesome...now i want this update to get here faster ><;

[Golto]

I think its pretty stupid giving GTs the same atp as GMs. GTs are supposed to give up power so they can use techs.

[The_Brimada]

Well if this is the case it would make GT not completely suck.

[Chimeria]

Tornado Dance will no longer travel as far
LMAO!! Finally!! I hate that PA...and it's even more annoying when people use it to travel around the area.

Are there any changes to the Acrotecher?

[cheapgunner]

I think its pretty stupid giving GTs the same atp as GMs. GTs are supposed to give up power so they can use techs.

Hopefully FG got a boost too, or GT has officially now surpassed them in dps. >.>

[Aorre]

Nobody got anything yet.

[panzer_unit]

I think its pretty stupid giving GTs the same atp as GMs. GTs are supposed to give up power so they can use techs.

... and techs are supposed to be worth giving up some power to use, but they're not. One or the other has to get fixed.

[desturel]

I think its pretty stupid giving GTs the same atp as GMs. GTs are supposed to give up power so they can use techs.

They are giving up power. GM is weaker than fG, thus GT would still be weaker than fG. GM have a speed boost that GT does not have. GT selection of S rank weapons does considerably less damage than the fG/GM S rank weapons.

The strongest Laser cannon a GT can use is a Degahna Cannon +10.
The strongest Shotgun is a Van Brella/ Madam Brella +10.
The strongest rifle is a Phantom +10 w/ Phantom line. GT with Phantom line isn't really an option unless you like cutting yourself off at the knees. Maybe a De Colte Line with a Sniper+10, but seriously, why bother?

Still no grenades. Double Saber with 10 skill level. It doesn't seem that they over powered them. At least in my opinion. Shifta and Zalure should bring them to a bit below the level of a fortegunner using Agatride which sounds about right. fG will still have the overall power advantage. GT will still have to juggle between 90 different PAs and 300 different weapon combinations in order to complete a mission.

[mll]

Yay @ gravity break being a single-target pa throughout.
I never used it against more than one enemy anyway and I was always only using the first part so its a nice change.
Also yay @ possible fixing of hybrid classes.

[Hrith]

Tornado Break gets stronger. Maybe around the Dus Robaddo level. I'll wait until more info is posted.Tornado Break was already clearly more powerful than Dus Robado >_>

The STA drop on Paradi (and other S-grade SUVs) is astoundingly stupid...

How many "Burst" SUVs are there right now? Espio listed only Rafal Burst, but The Brimada posted pictures of Hegel Burst.
I guess we'll have to wait until Sturm Burst for more SUV ownage =/

Very curious about the change to Dus Daggas and Gravity Break.

[EspioKaos]

How many "Burst" SUVs are there right now?

Just Rafal and Hegel for now.

[biggabertha]

Guntecher Shotgun damage ought to be close to rivaling Fortegunner Shotgun damage though...

The thing is, if a Guntecher has the same ATP as a Gunmaster... and Gunmaster has less ATP than a Fortegunner, it really does mean that there is very close to NO difference between Fortegunner and Guntecher when it comes to single target Shotgun.

Shigga Baret and hopefully Shigga Pakuda should change things though...


But I agree - with how things are for Laser and Rifle, Guntecher has some ways to go... the lack of Grenade Launcher hurts a lot for bosses.

Hopefully, Longbow will make a strong comeback.

[mll]

Any ideas when we might start seeing some class / pa stats.

I'm impatient.

[EspioKaos]

Any ideas when we might start seeing some class / pa stats.

I'm impatient.

The entire supplemental update (including stat adjustments) is gone thanks to the rollback, so it'll be a while longer before you see anything.

[desturel]

Tornado Break was already clearly more powerful than Dus Robado >_>

Only if there were six creatures in a group. In groups of three, Robaddo was stronger.

[The_Brimada]

The entire supplemental update (including stat adjustments) is gone thanks to the rollback, so it'll be a while longer before you see anything.

I know its gone update is gone now but

http://phantasystaruniverse.jp/news/update/adjustment/type/

I hear people on the official saying GM is getting a boost but to me it looks like it says
fighgunner, guntecher, wartecher, fortegunner, fortetecher, protranser, acrofighter, acrotecher, and masterforce. I saw the word fighmaster as well but wasn't sure what was going on with it.

You know this way better than me so I'd like to see it from you.

[Juza]

The entire supplemental update (including stat adjustments) is gone thanks to the rollback, so it'll be a while longer before you see anything.

Naturally, they couldn't let a massive bug like boosting WT stats go through. XD

I am now "interested" in this update, however, I'm going to continue to refuse to believe any sweeping positive changes have been made to WT until three months after it's on our servers. :P

*boggle* First the support boost, now this. WHO ARE YOU AND WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH THE REAL SEGA?!!?!!!!!!!!eleventy

[The_Brimada]

*jump waves*

BRIMADA!!!! *-*

Hi Milka <3

On topic: looks like no more JP PSU for me for now =/

[EspioKaos]

I know its gone update is gone now but

http://phantasystaruniverse.jp/news/update/adjustment/type/

I hear people on the official saying GM is getting a boost but to me it looks like it says
fighgunner, guntecher, wartecher, fortegunner, fortetecher, protranser, acrofighter, acrotecher, and masterforce. I saw the word fighmaster as well but wasn't sure what was going on with it.

You know this way better than me so I'd like to see it from you.
In their chart, it says that Gunmasters will be receiving a boost to their base attack power. All types except for the three basics, Fortefighter and Fighmaster will be getting various boosts.

[The_Brimada]

Alright thanks for clarifying.

*wonders why GM needs more atp* XD

[Magician]

Alright thanks for clarifying.

*wonders why GM needs more atp* XD

So that they can clear sakura blast s2 in under five minutes.

[Zorafim]

Well, it kind of a shame that Paradi is getting nerfed. I didn't really get to play with it much, but visually, it's my favorite SUV. However, I agree that it shouldn't be the end of all SUVs, so I guess a nerf is needed. Just as long as I still get to use it at the end of the day.
I'm kind of sad that the same SUV I used at lv20 is probably going to be the strongest SUV again. I wish they improved SUVs with only one copy instead of the ones that have already been upgraded.
And Daggas is getting buffed while Majarra is getting nerfed? I really hope they're more on equal playing field now, since I'd much prefer to use Daggas on my spears.


So, let's see these new cloths.

[Golto]

The entire supplemental update (including stat adjustments) is gone thanks to the rollback, so it'll be a while longer before you see anything.

I guess the downsizing sega did is really paying off for the JPN pc/ps2 version. Now they are getting the piss-poor testing our version has been getting for over a year now.

[Hrith]

Only if there were six creatures in a group. In groups of three, Robaddo was stronger.Four are enough, and if there're only three monsters, Dus Majarra is better...

[garjian]

tbph... i reckon jabroga needs a bigger nerf than that :/ unless it has really poor ata... *checks* yeah i think it defo needs more than that... especially since majarra is being nerfed... now ill never see it die... and FM's everywhere will just be spamming this... pretty much as they are now :/ sucks... i wanna see dugrega buffed...

and i always loved daggas... itll be nice to be able to use it again :>



"impulsive force based method to avoid upward force. "

pretty much all the techers and protranser are getting whatever this is :P love google translate...


ahh well... i wonder when well see any of this?

[Mysterious-G]

Instead of making the superior classes weaker they make the inferior classes as strong as the superior ones? Is that what they call balancing? This game is easy enough already. v_v

[Kinako78]

All Types will have their stats adjusted and both GT and WT will be able to equip Double Sabers up to A rank.

O_O *may just go back to WT after this update*

[stukasa]

Instead of making the superior classes weaker they make the inferior classes as strong as the superior ones? Is that what they call balancing? This game is easy enough already. v_v
If they made a class weaker, the people who play that class would complain. Whereas if they made the weak classes stronger, the people playing those classes would be happy. So they have a choice of making some people happy or making other people upset. When you're dealing with customers, it's better to make people happy. Of course, in reality the game's too easy already so boosting all the classes is probably not the best idea. I'd like to see enemies get stronger and smarter in a future update, but that's probably just wishful thinking. :p

[ShuttleXpC]

I guess the downsizing sega did is really paying off for the JPN pc/ps2 version. Now they are getting the piss-poor testing our version has been getting for over a year now.

I haven't had faith in Sega's patch methods since the first incarnation on DC. They are the only people who could screw up enabling things that are already on the disc simply waiting for a light switch to be flicked on.

[RemiusTA]

tbph... i reckon jabroga needs a bigger nerf than that :/ unless it has really poor ata... *checks* yeah i think it defo needs more than that... especially since majarra is being nerfed... now ill never see it die... and FM's everywhere will just be spamming this... pretty much as they are now :/ sucks... i wanna see dugrega buffed...

and i always loved daggas... itll be nice to be able to use it again :>



"impulsive force based method to avoid upward force. "

pretty much all the techers and protranser are getting whatever this is :P love google translate...


ahh well... i wonder when well see any of this?

You dont get it. There is no superior class in this game.

If you're not a Force, Hunter, or Ranger (base class), you're supposed to be equals to whoever else you're playing with. Fortefighter is stronger than Acrofighter, but is not supposed to be superior.


Great, i was eager to check PSOW to see about the exciting new changes, only to get a steaming serving of....Rollback.

Damn you, sega. Damn you.