She wants to jump your bones.

[ShinMaruku]

http://www.marvel.com/comics/onsale/covers/0309/DARKAVNG003_covVAR.jpg
:E

[CrimsomWolf]

Ugghhh...riiighhhhttttt....

Though, I wouldn't mind those girls in the sig.

Especially the one with long auburn hair...Kasumi was it?

If you think about it, she's nullifying the chances of that errr... witch?mutant? heretic?

[Vanzazikon]

Fool! Do not stare at his sig. You'll be turned into a witch!

[CrimsomWolf]

Too late.

And male witch is called warlock :wacko:

Just for the future.

[ShinMaruku]

Only one is a foul witch. :E

[SpikeOtacon]

Looks more like she wants to pick my bones rather than jump them.

Unless that's what all the kids are calling it these days.

[ShinMaruku]

Witches are an odd lot.
And warlocks are not nessiarily male witches, men have been called witches.

[CrimsomWolf]

Perhaps it's the language.

In my native language (which I hate). Witch and warlock mean the same thing, only for different genders, so I won't call a man "witch". Sort of habit.

And warlock has a nice ring to it.

[ShinMaruku]

My native language makes no distinction, mainly culture does that :E

[CrimsomWolf]

My culture doesn't differ between magic users save for gender and maybe illusionists.

Also, I think that sig has disruption/hypno powers.

[ShinMaruku]

my culture is built on thievery, and they are insane.
My sig has magical powers.
The power of boobies.

[Shadowpawn]

It's amazing you're STILL attached to Sil'fer's breasts after three years.

[ShinMaruku]

It's the power. THE POWER!

[astuarlen]

Looks more like she wants to pick my bones rather than jump them.

Unless that's what all the kids are calling it these days.

Fi fi fo fum etc.




Witches are an odd lot.
And warlocks are not nessiarily male witches, men have been called witches.


Perhaps it's the language.

In my native language (which I hate). Witch and warlock mean the same thing, only for different genders, so I won't call a man "witch". Sort of habit.

And warlock has a nice ring to it.


My native language makes no distinction, mainly culture does that :E


My culture doesn't differ between magic users save for gender and maybe illusionists.

Also, I think that sig has disruption/hypno powers.

Now, this is interesting (uh, to me, 'cause I'm a word nerd).
I bet gamers and other consumers of fantasy stuff have a much richer and more finely differentiated vocabulary for people of a supernatural inclination than the general population. Also probably a measurable amount of difference based on which terms or system of classification you encountered first or used most.

I was quite shocked when, while playing Scrabble, my mom challenged the legitimacy of my word, mage. This is a pretty generic "magic-user" term for me, which can take modifiers (elements or colors, mostly, just off the top of my head).
Mages... do magic stuff. They might be specially trained at an Institution of Higher Learning (or not). They're probably the most "respectable" of all (until they crack). They've got inborn skills. They are too fashionable to wear pointy hats or clothes with cheesy celestial motifs.
Wizards would be less, hmm, glamorous? Maybe less naturally talented, relying more on appropriating items and information from others. Wizard and mage require no gender marking, though while I see mage as a gender-neutral term, wizard definitely conjures up the image of a dude (with a pointy hat, yes).
Sorcerors (and sorceresses, though sorceror can legitimately be female for me) seem shadier, more prone to sneakiness, plotting, and, um, ensorcelling folks for their own purposes (maybe just for kicks). But they're also sexier (the sound of the word, perhaps, plays in here), less inhibited, and have strong personalities. Not necessarily bad or evil--they probably tell morbid jokes, though.
Witches (male or female, though I tend to assign witch to female and warlock to male, though it can be more complex...) are definitely manipulative--not necessarily evil but cunning and possessed of an ability to get things out of people with a little psychological insight. They'd also be more likely to use natural artifacts, have inborn talent, and forgo formal training (maybe an unofficial apprenticeship thing). My witch stereotype makes the whole Harry Potter world feel weird, just for that word choice. WITCHES DON'T USE WANDS, ARGH.
Warlocks could be male witches, but the "war" bit gives 'em a rougher, more aggressive feel (just a male-female stereotype?). Warlocks are sinister, no doubt, and probably brooding blood-drinkers. I'd think a warlock would be pretty close to a necromancer...
Necromancers (non-gendered) come in two flavors: down-and-dirty, warlocky-looking and generally can pass as normal. In both cases, though, there's a vaguely "scientific" bent. They practice necromancy, not just do mysterious creepy shit.

Mmmmmmmmmyeah, I should probably stop now.

[ShinMaruku]

Going into etymology warlocks are similar to what vodoo is ascribed to. They dealt with the unsavory black magic. Witches do black and white magic.

[Shadowpawn]

Aw, you can't see who voted in this one. :(

[Lance813]

I like the brunette on the right.

[ShinMaruku]

Liken the Germans ja?

[ShinMaruku]

[spoiler-box]http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2009/081/reviews/958890_20090323_screen005.jpg[/spoiler-box]

[Lance813]

Ich bin einen deutcher.

So, yes.

[TalHex]

i like the red head >.>

[ShinMaruku]

The sig just has so much power.

[Outrider]

I feel like the dimensions of that sig aren't right.

Y'know when you resize an image just by stretching or shrinking it without keeping the same proportions? That's what it looks like.

I might just be crazy, though.

[Vanzazikon]

Outrider!? Not you too!

[astuarlen]

Either Outrider's right or the artist needs his license revoked.
(Personally, I'm in favor of suspension, either way, on the charge of gross anatomical misconduct).

[Outrider]

Either Outrider's right or the artist needs his license revoked.
(Personally, I'm in favor of suspension, either way, on the charge of gross anatomical misconduct).

Okay, at least I'm not the only one who's noticed this.

There are definitely some anatomical issues (but I guess we can chalk that up to style?), but I feel like the image's dimensions aren't proportioned right.

I'm sorry, I've just been thinking this since the sig first showed up and it's kind of been bugging me.

[ShinMaruku]

So you all admit she wants to jump your bones... :E

That sig will stay till I make another in bordem :E

[Outrider]

Hold on a sec.

Having just read Dark Avengers, isn't that chick Morgen le Fay?

Dude, she's using time travel to sleep with Dr. Doom. That's nature's way of saying "DO NOT TOUCH."

[ShinMaruku]

She's always been sleeping with Doom.
"JUMP YOUR BONES!"

Just this comic is funny as hell.
"Nobody messes with Victor Von Doom."

[SpikeOtacon]

That sig will stay till I make another in bordem :E

Unless one were to use a tool on a certain web browser. Then it would be like the sig was never there. :wacko:

Also:

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/6473/doom753530.jpg
He's one step of evolution away from :E

[ShinMaruku]

He's just insane :E

[Nitro Vordex]

Looks like someone took a hammer to your boobies sig.

[ShinMaruku]

http://www.blizzard.com/us/inblizz/fanart/images/screens/ss761.jpg
Jump your bones.

[Larian]

No thanks...I like Morgan better!! =D

[Weeaboolits]

my culture is built on thievery, and they are insane.
My sig has magical powers.
The power of boobies.More like the power of stretch/skew.

[ShinMaruku]

[spoiler-box]http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/969/969088/ninja-gaiden-sigma-2-20090402095628242.jpg[/spoiler-box]

[TalHex]

hey look! boobs in a kimono!

in other news:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFG8sMzDH94

[Kent]

Now, this is interesting (uh, to me, 'cause I'm a word nerd).
I bet gamers and other consumers of fantasy stuff have a much richer and more finely differentiated vocabulary for people of a supernatural inclination than the general population. Also probably a measurable amount of difference based on which terms or system of classification you encountered first or used most.

I was quite shocked when, while playing Scrabble, my mom challenged the legitimacy of my word, mage. This is a pretty generic "magic-user" term for me, which can take modifiers (elements or colors, mostly, just off the top of my head).
Mages... do magic stuff. They might be specially trained at an Institution of Higher Learning (or not). They're probably the most "respectable" of all (until they crack). They've got inborn skills. They are too fashionable to wear pointy hats or clothes with cheesy celestial motifs.
Wizards would be less, hmm, glamorous? Maybe less naturally talented, relying more on appropriating items and information from others. Wizard and mage require no gender marking, though while I see mage as a gender-neutral term, wizard definitely conjures up the image of a dude (with a pointy hat, yes).
Sorcerors (and sorceresses, though sorceror can legitimately be female for me) seem shadier, more prone to sneakiness, plotting, and, um, ensorcelling folks for their own purposes (maybe just for kicks). But they're also sexier (the sound of the word, perhaps, plays in here), less inhibited, and have strong personalities. Not necessarily bad or evil--they probably tell morbid jokes, though.
Witches (male or female, though I tend to assign witch to female and warlock to male, though it can be more complex...) are definitely manipulative--not necessarily evil but cunning and possessed of an ability to get things out of people with a little psychological insight. They'd also be more likely to use natural artifacts, have inborn talent, and forgo formal training (maybe an unofficial apprenticeship thing). My witch stereotype makes the whole Harry Potter world feel weird, just for that word choice. WITCHES DON'T USE WANDS, ARGH.
Warlocks could be male witches, but the "war" bit gives 'em a rougher, more aggressive feel (just a male-female stereotype?). Warlocks are sinister, no doubt, and probably brooding blood-drinkers. I'd think a warlock would be pretty close to a necromancer...
Necromancers (non-gendered) come in two flavors: down-and-dirty, warlocky-looking and generally can pass as normal. In both cases, though, there's a vaguely "scientific" bent. They practice necromancy, not just do mysterious creepy shit.

Mmmmmmmmmyeah, I should probably stop now.
"Mage" is sort of a catch-all term for these types of casters - Wizards earned their magical prowess through intense study and as a factor of their intellect, whereas for a Sorcerer/ess, the concept of magic is a much more natural and innate thing, more related to talent rather than aquired through training.

Witches and Warlocks are (in a very general sense) pretty much just the female and male versions of the same thing, unless you get into specific lores fabricated by game designers and fiction writers and whatnot.

Necromancers, however, are just mages (specifically wizards, in almost all cases) that have an overt and primary focus in necromancy, which would be defined as the school of magic in which lies powers of both life and death (not just death, as many seem to make it out to be). It's not an inherently evil thing; that's really defined in how the tools are used, not the tools themselves.

[Outrider]

image that is too large

Ha! Is she wearing a bluetooth headset?

[ShinMaruku]

It's a witch charm.

[Outrider]

It's a witch charm.

No, she's totally chatting with her friends about that cute guy Ryu.

"OMG HE IS TOTALLY HOT."

[CrimsomWolf]

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g156/vmleary/kasumi_drawing3.jpg

Let's face it, this darling beat all your witches Shin.

Magic isn't everything.

[Outrider]

What happened to her nose?

[CrimsomWolf]

It's there, you can actually see it's outline And that's said by someone with less than not-good sight.

Besides, it's Japanese drawing, not God-dammned Botticelli.

[Outrider]

It's there, you can actually see it's outline And that's said by someone with less than not-good sight.

Besides, it's Japanese drawing, not God-dammned Botticelli.

http://www.thedieline.com/blog/images/2008/07/31/11428_1.jpg

[CrimsomWolf]

*facepalms*

I'm not even going to ask what were your grades from arts. If you even had them :wacko:

[Outrider]

I LIKE ARTS.

[CrimsomWolf]

NO WAI.

[Outrider]

ARTS IS GOOD.

[astuarlen]

Jesus.

[ShinMaruku]

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g156/vmleary/kasumi_drawing3.jpg

Let's face it, this darling beat all your witches Shin.

Magic isn't everything.
She's a witch!

Ayane is her sister and she's perfectly adept at witchery

[Randomness]

Shin, witches shouldn't be calling people witches.

[Lance813]

I'm surprised this thread is still going... :wacko:

[ShinMaruku]

Shin, witches shouldn't be calling people witches.
I am a man. No witch will yank a mans power from under him.

[Outrider]

I am a man. No witch will yank a mans power from under him.

BOW-CHICKA-BOW-WOW.

[Larian]

I am a man. No witch will yank a mans power from under him.

You've never had a girlfriend have you? =P

[Lance813]

AAhhhahaha.

[CrimsomWolf]

I am a man. No witch will yank a mans power from under him.


Oh but they already did.

[ShinMaruku]

You've never had a girlfriend have you? =P
You gave them your power, not they took yours. Always blame the witch...

[Larian]

Yeah...that's liable to get you stuck sleeping on the couch for about a week or so... =/

[ShinMaruku]

Yeah...that's liable to get you stuck sleeping on the couch for about a week or so... =/
Your fault for co-habitating with the witch.

[TalHex]

http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss251/renasakura/anime%20witch/1a44647d1.jpg

witches aren't that bad. They make good allies :wacko:

[CrimsomWolf]

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t207/Fallen_Angel1317/Anime/witch_creature.jpg

And awesome girlfriends, if you play nice :wacko:

[Weeaboolits]

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w8/Ronin_Cooper/Animu/Madou/312.jpg

[Outrider]

I feel like somebody has some serious issues with women.

[CrimsomWolf]

Is there ever a time when you aren't grumpy?

Maybe you should get one (a girlfriend that is) :)

http://i678.photobucket.com/albums/vv149/Tediz64/Witch.jpg

Life isn't solely about being grumpy.

[Rasputin]

If they really wanted to jump your bones, you wouldn't be here would you?

[CrimsomWolf]

Why do you think so.

Wouldn't that belay the point of this whole thread?

[Vanzazikon]

Outrider + Anime Witch = Shadowpawn Shin

[CrimsomWolf]

The story of forbiiden love and it's fruit, now in FKLcinema.

The shadowy origin of Shin nad Outrider's emberassing family secert now revealed!
All hands and a nine tails up! - The Kitsune Times
The story of this century - The Android Insider
Simply beautiful - Wacko!

[Outrider]

Is there ever a time when you aren't grumpy?

Maybe you should get one (a girlfriend that is) :)

http://pso-world.com/forums/search.php?searchid=318332

I actually think I tell you people enough about my girlfriend as it is, thank you very much.


[INSERT INCREDIBLY PHALLIC IMAGE HERE]

Life isn't solely about being grumpy.

I was referring to Shin's bizarre fear of women.

[Sayara]

bones huh
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v26/Snoopychan/osh.jpg

[HolioArtillery]

The problem with witches is they can make their own bone.

[ShinMaruku]

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/wowwiki/images/0/0f/Bansheeritual.jpg

[HolioArtillery]

See, just look at the size of it, and flaming to boot.

[Vanzazikon]

I bet that guy wants to jump her bone.

[Nitro Vordex]

Psychic hookers will blow your mind.

[ShinMaruku]

I bet that guy wants to jump her bone.
That's the lich King and the Banshee queen.
The king and queen of the undead.
Demons basically.

[CrimsomWolf]

http://pso-world.com/forums/search.php?searchid=318332

I actually think I tell you people enough about my girlfriend as it is, thank you very much.



I was referring to Shin's bizarre fear of women.

I get "Sorry, no matches" thingy :wacko:

Also, be clear next time in assertaining to us what exactly is the target of your grumpy-ness. I've always assumed it's all-directional

[HolioArtillery]

Psychic hookers will blow your mind.

Among other things.

[TalHex]

That's the lich King and the Banshee queen.
The king and queen of the undead.
Demons basically.

*sound of brain snapping*

you did not just say that... :disapprove:

the undead and demons are completely different

[HolioArtillery]

*sound of brain snapping*

you did not just say that... :disapprove:

the undead and demons are completely different

That's relative to the context.

[TalHex]

no, no it isn't. Demons and undead are not the same. They never were and never will be

[Randomness]

Unless its an undead demon. That's the exception.

[CrimsomWolf]

Demons cease to exist when they "die".
In a way though, it might be just that their body might've been destroyed, so they can be reborn, or they die. Permanently.

[TalHex]

yes, and even then, thats exceptionally rare.

Undead:
creatures that have died and either A. have been risen, B. controlled like a puppet, or C. are possessed by a demon.

Demon: creatures that do not exist in this world naturally, yet cannot be classified as dead, or machine. Some demons may possess objects or corpses.

In some cases, demons can be created when an object reaches 100 years old. THEY ARE NOT UNDEAD
---

any questions? or do I have to kill a few people who wrote these games shin plays?

[HolioArtillery]

no, no it isn't. Demons and undead are not the same. They never were and never will be
Yes, yes it is. Neither the undead or demons exist (or are proven to exist) in the first place, so the context is (supposedly) purely fictional. It is entirely rational that someone out there envisioned a world in which undead and demons are one and the same via religion, books, movies, etc. Therefore, it does matter what context you are speaking in. Even if it's something as simple as all undead are demons, but not all demons are undead (just like pitbull is a breed of dog, but not all dogs are pitbulls.)

[CrimsomWolf]

But most lures seem to be following certain guidelines.

Undead Zombie is Undead, and I've yet to seen somebody calling a Cerberus undead.
Combining zombie and undead is rather problematic, since somehow by definitions, they're either immortal to a degree or simply cease to exist when killed. They're a different type of being. Undead is physical creature in our world that has died, and was (often forcibly) been reanimated back to life.

[TalHex]

Yes, yes it is. Neither the undead or demons exist (or are proven to exist) in the first place, so the context is (supposedly) purely fictional. It is entirely rational that someone out there envisioned a world in which undead and demons are one and the same via religion, books, movies, etc. Therefore, it does matter what context you are speaking in. Even if it's something as simple as all undead are demons, but not all demons are undead (just like pitbull is a breed of dog, but not all dogs are pitbulls.)

but that's not how it works. Undead aren't even a subspecies, they are something entirely different. Grr... the subject of demonology is an art, and you sir have just butchered it.

Relatively speaking, an undead is a demon in the same way that a crocodile is a human. They are two entirely different classifications!

The classifications for the supernatural are as follows:
Demons
Undead
Fairies
Fallen Angels
Psyche

[HolioArtillery]

but that's not how it works. Undead aren't even a subspecies, they are something entirely different. Grr... the subject of demonology is an art, and you sir have just butchered it.

Relatively speaking, an undead is a demon in the same way that a crocodile is a human. They are two entirely different classifications!

The classifications for the supernatural are as follows:
Demons
Undead
Fairies
Fallen Angels
Psyche

I don't know how you confused superstitious belief with art and turned fiction into fact, but you did quite a job on yourself there. Maybe before long you'll look in the mirror and convince yourself you have fox eyes.

[CrimsomWolf]

Jesus, you actually think we're taking this for a fact?

It's all a discussion about certain fantasy cannons, not if a God-dammned tooth-fairy exists!

[HolioArtillery]

Jesus, you actually think we're taking this for a fact?

It's all a discussion about certain fantasy cannons, not if a God-dammned tooth-fairy exists!
No, but talon is taking his belief in undead and demons as fact, and I'm not. Even in the realms of fictional fact, I still deny his formation of belief. For where is it written that in a roleplay of any sort, his idea of undead, demons, and whatnot is what hold true?

[CrimsomWolf]

The same applies the opposite way then, doesn't it?

Also, on what basis are you assuming he takes that for a fact?
Maybe it's dedication to a certain cannon rules, like many TV show fans etc. are and were displaying all 'round the world?

[HolioArtillery]

The same applies the opposite way then, doesn't it?

Also, on what basis are you assuming he takes that for a fact?
Maybe it's dedication to a certain cannon rules, like many TV show fans etc. are and were displaying all 'round the world?

To the first statement: I suppose, but I never said that the undead had to be demons, or any rule regarding any of them. I simply stated that rules and ideas apply to context, and gave an example of such a context that did not match his own.

To the second statement: it's incredibly obvious none of you are using any clear set of rules, but just mish-mashing everything you like together. Mostly mythology, videogames, and anime bullshit (btw, I mean "bullshit" only in conjunction with anime, not mythology or gaming.)

[Vanzazikon]

NURD RAAGE!

[CrimsomWolf]

There is never a clear set of rules in a greater scheme of things, fiction or not.

Since there is no "institutionalized" way, we must make one ourselves. It's vain, yes. Arrogant yes. But there isn't much alternative.
Everything must start at some point.

[TalHex]

I go by the rules establish by religions for several thousands of years, Christianity, Wiccan, Norse, Celtic, Shinto, Buddhism, and many more.

The media doesn't mean a spit to me with what they believe because their influence with demons hasn't been around long enough.

How to put this... umm... researching the evolution of demons islike researching the evolution of Christianity, none of it can be proven compltely, but it still doesn't all change because one person says it does.

If a TV show says Jesus is a werewolf (which would be perfectly awesome imo), does that over turn the bible? no, of course not

[Lance813]

This thread needs to be moved to "Rants."

[HolioArtillery]

There is never a clear set of rules in a greater scheme of things, fiction or not.

Since there is no "institutionalized" way, we must make one ourselves. It's vain, yes. Arrogant yes. But there isn't much alternative.
Everything must start at some point.
There we go.


I go by the rules establish by religions for several thousands of years, Christianity, Wiccan, Norse, Celtic, Shinto, Buddhism, and many more.

Ohh, I see now. You're one of those angsty teenagers that thinks he knows his religious mythology, despite the many diverging opinions, mixed evidence, several developmental lines, etc. How cute.

[TalHex]

angsty: no, teenager: yes, know my religion: not entirely, but if I don't know I take the time to look it up, from several different sources even.

don't make assumptions

[HolioArtillery]

You were the one claiming to go by the rules set by so many religions, and so fervently believed in a particular rule earlier without allowing any circumstance of possible falsehood to mire your opinion on the matter. Not I.

[TalHex]

rules laid down by different religions and mythologies are laid down by over lapping statements which agree. Obviously if rules contradict, they can't be used.

I have provided evidence for my way of thinking that demons and undead are not the same, provide contradicting evidence. Find an example which does not agree, back it up with several sources, and I'll agree.

[HolioArtillery]

For starters, you haven't laid down any sources at all. You claim BS that you know about various religions, which you more than likely don't have an inkling considering the huge development of them over thousands of years, and the muddled opinions and changing beliefs systems, oral and written traditions, etc etc. You have provided nothing in terms of proof. You have only stated where you believe you get your ideas from, but you have no proof of the so called source. It's the equivalent of saying I believe "thugew" is an English word because someone else told me they saw it in some dictionary.

As per my belief? My belief is very similar to what Crimson said earlier.

"There is never a clear set of rules in a greater scheme of things, fiction or not.

Since there is no "institutionalized" way, we must make one ourselves. It's vain, yes. Arrogant yes. But there isn't much alternative.
Everything must start at some point."

The main difference being I would substitute "knowledge" for "rule." In the grand scheme of things, none of us know much of anything about anything else on a grand scale. No single human knows all of one subject, you certainly don't know jack about all those religions and whether they overlap or not. Not that it is your fault, you merely can't. There are to many alterations, to many altered documents, to much mud in the water to know any of it with fact. To make such a broad statement over so many religions such as "rules laid down by different religions and mythologies are laid down by over lapping statements which agree," is pure arrogance. You do not, and will not ever, know to what degree those overlap and contradict as a whole. Your "facts," and your idea of demonology as an art form are nothing more than beliefs, which, not being fact, amount to absolutely nothing when trying to pass it off as fact, as you were earlier.

[TalHex]

I'm not claiming to know everything about religion. I don't. Frankly, I don't really give a damn about most of it. The only thing I'm saying, is that from what I've seen, and what I've read, a demon and an undead are not the same thing.

This is a waste of time >.> I'm beginning to confuse myself even at this point *sigh*

[HolioArtillery]

This is a waste of time >.>

Wasting time is why I'm here. Seriously. After a few weeks I'll probably disappear. For various reasons I am stuck with little to do in the next month or so of time.

[Vanzazikon]

Git wit masturbation. ;o

[HolioArtillery]

Git wit masturbation. ;o

Unfortunately, that only lasts so long and can only happen so often.

[ShinMaruku]

*sound of brain snapping*

you did not just say that... :disapprove:

the undead and demons are completely different
The lich king is down right demonic.
Sylvanas can be argued but they both use powers exclusive to both. And in WoW undead can be demons. They get reembodied as demons

[Shadowpawn]

*sound of brain snapping*

you did not just say that... :disapprove:

the undead and demons are completely different

I don't think he was literally calling them "demons", but demonic in nature. Like a serial killer can be a "demon" but still human.

[ShinMaruku]

Since the Lich king was created by the head demon and has some powers that are linked to demons one can call him that. Although he could also be argued to be a diety as well. >_>

[Moo2u]

I haven't read this thread, is it still about jumping bones?

[CrimsomWolf]

http://gi60.photobucket.com/groups/h39/9CEHVJE23O/DOA_Kasumi_Smile.jpg

I think this thread needs to return to basics.

[ShinMaruku]

http://fc08.deviantart.com/fs31/f/2008/219/5/2/Moments_you_dont_want_to_b___2_by_KillaKatana.jpg