JP PC/PS2 Guardianz Cash Debut, June 4

[FOnewearl-Lina]

http://phantasystaruniverse.jp/news/wis/?mode=view&id=906Looks like they managed to iron out their bugs and get GC missions ready for this week's maintenance!

Seasonal Events to take place:
- This month we commemorate the first ever wedding between a male beast and a male cast, it's SamesecsWeddingMonth and lobbies will be decorated with SamesecsWeddingCaeks... Oh stop!☝


Introduction of the new, in-game currency (GUARDIANS CrASH):
- ST says it's optional, but you should know better...
- A new area will be added to Colony 5F, 'Guardians HQ: Principal Tyrel's Room'. (PC ONRY kthx)
- The two GCMs mentioned before in Espio's post (http://pso-world.com/forums/showthread.php?t=164632) and a new trade mission, 'Final Fantasy Photon Crystal Exchange' for your Wind Photon Crystals...


Some notes on the new GCMs:
- You need to have GC to begin the mission (duh!)
- After you've paid the required GC entry fee, you can change leader.
- Once started, you can't join a GCM mid-way through.
- Once started, you will not be able to return to the lobby until it's all over, please come prepared.
- Partner Characters are unable to participate.
- If all members of the party get owned, you fail it.
- But you can use ScapeDolls, once you run out of scapes, you fail it.
- You need to S rank the mission to clear otherwise, you fail it.
- You trade Photon Crystals for stuff.


This week's new items:
- New weapon(s) to be added.
- Clothing/Parts, including those PM clothes for your PSU avatar.
- Wedding Cake Cake Cake will be added for the duration of the wedding event
- Casino Items to be rotated yet again.
- Actually, The cake is a lie.

[Phaesphora]

Wow, Partner Machine clothes and parts? Does this mean that my long-awaited PPT stewardess' uniform is also in the works?

[EspioKaos]

- You need to S rank the mission to clear otherwise, you fail it.
This one actually reads "As long as you clear the mission, you will receive a grade of S." ;)

[FOnewearl-Lina]

This one actually reads "As long as you clear the mission, you will receive a grade of S." ;)
Exactly, any other grade would mean you got wiped out and failed to clear the mission :)

[EspioKaos]

Exactly, any other grade would mean you got wiped out and failed to clear the mission :)
Oh! Heh, I see what you did there! :lol:

Something else, though. On the two missions, it seems they changed a few things from what I posted earlier (from the Dengeki writer's blog). D: In this write-up, it says the first mission's (Legacy of the Holy Light) main focus will be obtaining GC mission-exclusive weapons, where before it said it would have boosted EXP. (I guess it could still have boosted EXP, though.) The second mission (Entrusted Defense) is said now to have boosted EXP and PA EXP, when before no bonuses were known.

[Inazuma]

And still no word on how much they will charge for these or if we have to pay each run. I guess we will have to find out ourselves when they come out.

[FOnewearl-Lina]

Oh! Heh, I see what you did there! :lol:
What about the second to last GCM note about being able to change leader then? It says you can change leader once you've completed the GC payment, right? Didn't see anything about mission clear in that note. What's the point of being able to change leaders after you've already cleared the mission? Surely you'd want to give leader to the guy with the better luck before you start playing right?

[EspioKaos]

What about the second to last GCM note about being able to change leader then? It says you can change leader once you've completed the GC payment, right? Didn't see anything about mission clear in that note.

Right, it's after payment has been made. I mistakenly translated is as "after the GC mission is complete" when I wrote those notes at PSUP's forum, but I've since fixed it. Anyway, I guess this might be further confirmation of what we were told earlier about the leader being able to cover the GC cost for the party instead of everyone always having to pay individually. Basically, one party member offers to pay for everyone, he does, then they switch to whoever has the best photon fortune for the duration of the run.

[FOnewearl-Lina]

Anyway, I guess this might be further confirmation of what we were told earlier about the leader being able to cover the GC cost for the party instead of everyone always having to pay individually.
'Okay guys, so who's gonna pay for this run? ^^;'

[Arika]

And still no word on how much they will charge for these or if we have to pay each run. I guess we will have to find out ourselves when they come out.

I m sure that I will try it a few times to see how will it be. You can join my party actually.

Now, I hope that the level requirement isn't too high so that I can let Raiden or Ryudo join also.

[unicorn]

Looks like they managed to iron out their bugs and get GC missions ready for this week's maintenance!

Seasonal Events to take place:
- This month we commemorate the first ever wedding between a male beast and a male cast, it's SamesecsWeddingMonth and lobbies will be decorated with SamesecsWeddingCaeks... Oh stop!☝


JP servers celebrate Gay marriages?

[FOnewearl-Lina]

Female gamers don't exist :)

[Ruru]

Female gamers don't exist :)


*megids* -_-;

the rest of the update sounds nice. now for the long wait for the NA/EU servers.

[Inazuma]

I m sure that I will try it a few times to see how will it be. You can join my party actually.

Now, I hope that the level requirement isn't too high so that I can let Raiden or Ryudo join also.

So it seems that only one player has to pay? Is that really a good way to do it? I guess everyone could take turns paying but that's kinda annoying. Maybe the reason they don't want everyone to pay is so they won't complain to Sonichi after getting booted mid-mission.

Also, it does seem like we will need to pay every time. Well, it all comes down to cost now. If a group of friends can take turns paying, it might not be that expensive, if the price is very low.

I tend to think a lot about things, but not only does this have the potential to be expensive and/or ruin the game, it also has a lot of potential for making players argue over real money. Sigh...

Looking on the bright side, it sure would be nice to take a break from fighting lv 140 monsters.

[OldCoot]

I will be trying to follow this thread hoping to get a feel of what the GC missions are like and will they be worth spending more money to run.

From what I have read before and please correct me if I am wrong, players who do pick up GC will have only have access to these missions which have maybe greater rewards like experience, meseta and other drops?

Thanks.

[DreXxiN]

*megids* -_-;

She most likely has an Armas line with Cati / Stamina or Red / Stamina. You just wasted PP. =/.

[Ruru]

She most likely has an Armas line with Cati / Stamina or Red / Stamina. You just wasted PP. =/.


D: you're probably right.

*paradis*
*jabrogas*

[FOnewearl-Lina]

D: you're probably right.

*paradis*
*jabrogas*

Paradi missed; ST nerfed the effective range of the SUV, and I'm a gunner :D
Shot with rifle and you won't be able to get up!

[Ruru]

Paradi missed; ST nerfed the effective range of the SUV, and I'm a gunner :D
Shot with rifle and you won't be able to get up!

nuuuu i lose D:

[biggabertha]

On the bright side, if only one player has to pay then it means that not all people will be completely left out.

I will be more than willing to allow my friends to join in to help complete the mission.

Now the only bad part is if one of us runs out of mates, scapes and photon charges during the mission...

HOORAY...! There's a use for Moon Atomizer Xs, PhotonChargeCosmos and Forces again!!

I so predict either:
VERY full pockets entering the mission (full of weapons and armours)
lots of idling while HP/PP restore units get to work

I wonder which other weapons/armours will turn into Ank Deddas...

[Arada]

My only actual fear is that all the missions that will be released after this update are missions you can access only with GC.

So JP players (and later us) will get new GC missions but people who don't want to pay will be stuck with no updates for a (very) long time.

[Arika]

Who know? Those missions might have enemy lv 170 but only 25~50% hp. (image rare mission) From what i think it is more of boost type mission more than challenge type.

[EspioKaos]

The supplemental update site was updated with information on GUARDIANS Cash.

http://phantasystaruniverse.jp/news/update/option/

You can buy it in lumps. Here's the breakdown. (GUARDIANS Cash > JP yen > US dollars > British pounds)

500 GC = 500 yen = $5.19 (US) = 3.16 GBP
1000 GC = 1000 yen = $10.38 (US) = 6.31 GBP
2000 GC = 2000 yen = $20.77 (US) = 12.62 GBP
3150 GC = 3000 yen = $31.15 (US) = 18.94 GBP
5250 GC = 5000 yen = $51.92 (US) = 31.56 GBP
10500 GC = 10000 yen = $103.84 (US) = 63.12 GBP

Now for the price per mission... brace yourselves.

Legacy of the Light: C | B | A | S
Split four ways: 40 | 60 | 80 | 100
Split three ways: 50 | 80 | 100 | 130
Split two ways: 80 | 120 | 160 | 200
Single player: 100 | 150 | 200 | 250
Leader covers all: 160 | 240 | 320 | 400

Entrusted Defense: C | B | A | S
Split four ways: 30 | 30 | 40 | 50
Split three ways: 40 | 40 | 50 | 60
Split two ways: 60 | 70 | 80 | 100
Single player: 90 | 100 | 120 | 150
Leader covers all: 120 | 140 | 160 | 200

So basically, your party can split the cost between members (depending on how many people you have) or the leader can volunteer to cover the cost for everyone.

Oh, and the level requirements:

Legacy of the Light
C: LV50+
B: LV80+
A: LV100+
S: LV130+

Entrusted Defense
C: LV50+
B: LV80+
A: LV110+
S: LV140+

In other news, the following items have been confirmed for the exchange mission.

http://phantasystaruniverse.jp/news/update/option/item_change/

Rocket Punch (S-grade knuckles)
Diska Slasher (S-grade dagger)
Rappy Fan (A-grade card)
410 Ossaria Dress and Set (clothes and parts)
480 Ossaria Suit and Set (clothes and parts)

This page also confirms that Photon Drops will be obtained from GC missions (aside from just Photon Crystals).

[Ruru]

thats a bit much as i figured. i wont be doing these GC cash missions with that kind of real money to GC exchange rate.

[Dark_Heal_v2]

100 Yen per run...... that's VERY expensive. Even more expensive to play in the local arcades....

[Volcompat321]

thats a bit much as i figured. i wont be doing these GC cash missions with that kind of real money to GC exchange rate.

I agree. It seems too expensive for my taste. Of course I'll give it a try a few times each mission, and as more are released. But I don't see myself paying up t0 $100 for 10k GC point things. I hope they lower the prices (which is doubtful).
I hope it cost less then that for the % on armors and weps and grinding and whatnot. If not, I'll have to synth and grind stuff the soon to be old fashioned way. :(

[RagolianHunter]

500 GC = 500 yen = $5.19 (US) = 3.16 GBP

In the above what does the GBP represent?

[Astarin]

Surely, I'm reading those numbers wrong. It costs roughly $100 to get the 50 GBP, per person, for four players to split the cost, to get into the S rank mission? The cheaper S rank mission?

That's absolutely absurd! Japan isn't that crazy for this kind of thing, are they?

Nevermind, I reread. The exchange rate is actually pretty reasonable, other than the fact that I protest paying for new content, in what is already a pay-to-play game.

[Volcompat321]

500 GC = 500 yen = $5.19 (US) = 3.16 GBP

In the above what does the GBP represent?

British pound

[Angry_Ryudo]

Ow, i hope the PM replica clothes/parts are not very expensive. If those are tradeable/sellable, i'm sure they will cost at least a stack..... of gold bars!!

[EspioKaos]

Surely, I'm reading those numbers wrong. It costs roughly $100 to get the 50 GBP, per person, for four players to split the cost, to get into the S rank mission? The cheaper S rank mission?

That's absolutely absurd! Japan isn't that crazy for this kind of thing, are they?

No, it's not that bad. GC are what are used to enter these mission. I only included GBP for the sake of extra currency conversion and price comparison.

[Astarin]

I see that now, Espio. Thanks. ^_^; I apparently am having trouble with my reading comprehension this morning.

[Dhylec]

My, those are some costly missions - Made for those with extra money to burn or die-hard PSU'ers.

[Miyoko]

Yyyyeaah. I won't be doing any of those missions.

I was on the fence about this, but, uhg, that's just... Bad. :/ If it was 50GC to cover everyone, that'd be fine.

Let's hope the other GC features are better priced than this...

[Volcompat321]

My, that's some costly missions. Made for those with extra money to burn or die-hard PSU'ers.

I don't know....I would consider myself a die-hard player, and I have some extra cash laying around, and I wouldn't pay that much, other than to just try it once or twice. Seems a bit too expensive from the quality of work we get from SEGA. Coming from me that's saying a lot. I love SEGA and have never "bashed" SEGA.
:( I'm kinda sad/mad maybe about the prices. We won't get em for a while though, so it's whateva.

[FOnewearl-Lina]

lol that's expensive, I'm out.
Unless someone wants to pay my share... ^^

[Tetsaru]

WHOA, WTF. Nearly $5 PER RUN of these stupid missions!? And I'm already paying $10 a month to run the same shit over and over most of the time!?

If I'm going to pay that much PER RUN, then I expect 16* guns with 11 grinds on em to fall from the sky, and Maya Shidow will somehow pop out of my PC monitor and please me while I'm playing it.

[Waki Miko Syamemaru!]

I don't think I'd be bustin out that kinda dough for some missions on a game that I already pay for. I mean if they took it down to maybe 1-2 bucks then yea, sure. Japan needs to know about the economy of both America and Europe. We are both in the ruts and whatever TV psychic tells you otherwise she should slapped across the face with a raw fish. Preferably salmon. Those suckers are huge.

Sylvia Brown can kiss my kiester....

[Volcompat321]

WHOA, WTF. Nearly $5 PER RUN of these stupid missions!? And I'm already paying $10 a month to run the same shit over and over most of the time!?

If I'm going to pay that much PER RUN, then I expect 16* guns with 11 grinds on em to fall from the sky, and Maya Shidow will somehow pop out of my PC monitor and please me while I'm playing it.

HAHAHAHAHahahahaha I feel ya.


I don't think I'd be bustin out that kinda dough for some missions on a game that I already pay for. I mean if they took it down to maybe 1-2 bucks then yea, sure. Japan needs to know about the economy of both America and Europe. We are both in the ruts and whatever TV psychic tells you otherwise she should slapped across the face with a raw fish. Preferably salmon. Those suckers are huge.

Sylvia Brown can kiss my kiester....


Even more HAHAHAHAHAHahahah.

[xBladeM6x]

WHOA, WTF. Nearly $5 PER RUN of these stupid missions!? And I'm already paying $10 a month to run the same shit over and over most of the time!?

If I'm going to pay that much PER RUN, then I expect 16* guns with 11 grinds on em to fall from the sky, and Maya Shidow will somehow pop out of my PC monitor and please me while I'm playing it.
This! :-D

/thread

[Arika]

Split four ways: 40 | 60 | 80 | 100 >>100 yen per run = same as arcade game price in Japanese?

[Dark_Heal_v2]

yep, around that, which makes no sense

its like paying the price for watching a movie in the cinema when you have the DVD at home....

[Arika]

I don't know....I would consider myself a die-hard player, and I have some extra cash laying around, and I wouldn't pay that much, other than to just try it once or twice. Seems a bit too expensive from the quality of work we get from SEGA. Coming from me that's saying a lot. I love SEGA and have never "bashed" SEGA.
:( I'm kinda sad/mad maybe about the prices. We won't get em for a while though, so it's whateva.

Same, i m gonna try it around one or twice to see things first.

mostly I won't do it more unless it is really fun. (but I doubt)

What level is ashley50 or ryudo now? try to get lv 120 before it release and then join my party.

[Dhylec]

yep, around that, which makes no sense

its like paying the price for watching a movie in the cinema when you have the DVD at home....
With that kind of price, I don't see how this GC gonna help Sega. The implementation might have failed before even launching. People might try once & quit. Hopefully, Sega drop the steep price, at least half, for a chance to survive. ;]

[Inazuma]

Wow, that's way the fuck more expensive than I was expecting. I refuse to pay for any GC if it's gonna be like this. I hope everyone does the same. GC needs to be abolished now before it further ruins the game.

Oh man, just imagine what the prices will be to reset a weapon's grind back to 0 or add elemental % on an item.....

Hmm, I wonder if PSU is the most expensive game now. If I did 10 runs of 4 player missions each day, it would cost me $300 a month.

*edit* I think it should cost 20 cents for 1 player, or 5 cents each for 4 players. That sounds more reasonable to me.

[Arika]

With that kind of price, I don't see how this GC gonna help Sega. The implementation might have failed before even launching. People might try once & quit. Hopefully, Sega drop the steep price, at least half, for a chance to survive. ;]


i think they don't really want people to spam this mission, so they don't make it 10 yen per runs. I think it is only for people who really need a boost.
It is same as nowadays that people don't play arcade game often, unless it is unreleased on console (and even in this case, they will only try them a little).



edit: Midori, you can also join my run.

[ashley50]

Im still not even near 120 lol....:P

[Arika]

10 level a day is what you can do, I knew it, ;)


EDIT: and oup! it is elve 130,140 up. not 120

[Powder Keg]

WHOA, WTF. Nearly $5 PER RUN of these stupid missions!? And I'm already paying $10 a month to run the same shit over and over most of the time!?

If I'm going to pay that much PER RUN, then I expect 16* guns with 11 grinds on em to fall from the sky, and Maya Shidow will somehow pop out of my PC monitor and please me while I'm playing it.

LMFAO.

And I couldn't agree more.

[Gibdozer]

Wow, I really don't think it's that bad. I mean as long as the missions have good drops and not just crystals to exchange for the garbage listed thus far.

If you ran the whole 100$ out in S ranks on the first mission (with party split) that's 105 runs. As long as you don't spam them over and over till your broke, you could actually put parties together and run these at a decent rate for a very long time.

It really all depends on the drops, exp modifier, fun factor things we really know nothing about yet. I can't say it's worth/not worth it until I experience it, so I'll reserving judgment until that time.

I wouldn't advise starting out with 100$ investments, but what can 5$ hurt to try something new in a game you already enjoy?

[Powder Keg]

Wow, I really don't think it's that bad. I mean as long as the missions have good drops and not just crystals to exchange for the garbage listed thus far.

If you ran the whole 100$ out in S ranks on the first mission (with party split) that's 105 runs. As long as you don't spam them over and over till your broke, you could actually put parties together and run these at a decent rate for a very long time.

It really all depends on the drops, exp modifier, fun factor things we really know nothing about yet. I can't say it's worth/not worth it until I experience it, so I'll reserving judgment until that time.

I wouldn't advise starting out with 100$ investments, but what can 5$ hurt to try something new in a game you already enjoy?

Half the monthly fee to run a mission makes no sense, regardless of how rewarding it is.

[Volcompat321]

Wow, I really don't think it's that bad. I mean as long as the missions have good drops and not just crystals to exchange for the garbage listed thus far.

If you ran the whole 100$ out in S ranks on the first mission (with party split) that's 105 runs. As long as you don't spam them over and over till your broke, you could actually put parties together and run these at a decent rate for a very long time.

It really all depends on the drops, exp modifier, fun factor things we really know nothing about yet. I can't say it's worth/not worth it until I experience it, so I'll reserving judgment until that time.

I wouldn't advise starting out with 100$ investments, but what can 5$ hurt to try something new in a game you already enjoy?

I've already gave my opinion about the obviously overpriced garbage, but I wouldn't mind spending $5 or more to try it. If I enjoy it, I'm sure I'll put a few extra dollars into it, but I would never even get close to spending $100 on that. I don't care if it gave me 10 Ely Sions, it's not worth what they are charging(imo). But like you said, we'd have to try it before giving an indefinite judgment.

[Powder Keg]

lol @ Dhylec's edit XD

Still sigworthy though.

[FOnewearl-Lina]

Half the monthly fee to run a mission makes no sense, regardless of how rewarding it is.
New sig get! :D

[WHlTEKNIGHT]

Will they be giving us some Vaseline with this as they pump us for every last penny/dime they can get?
Seriously though, £2-3 for 1 run on a game we already pay a subscription for is really lame.

[stukasa]

Why are some people saying it's $5 per run? Looking at Espio's numbers, isn't it only 100 yen per run? (400 yen split 4 ways) A dollar per run is still a lot though. I bet ST doesn't expect us to run this mission all the time. It's like the rare missions, you're not SUPPOSED to spam them all the time (but I bet ST wouldn't mind if you did! :lol: ) I don't mind paying a little extra now and then but I certainly won't be doing it often.

[Inazuma]

lol @ Dhylec's edit XD

Still sigworthy though.

Censorship isn't funny. What's so bad about "sex with breasts" anyway? Last I checked, it was a good thing. Of course, the real problem isn't sex, it's negative comments about Sega.

This post can't be edited because of "bad words" so you will have to find a different excuse. Trolling perhaps? Even though my intentions are to educate and help others.

Oh, of course. Off topic. In that case...

The GC missions are very expensive but at least there is no big loss if we choose not to do them. Clothing and joke weapons are no big deal. Boosted char/PA exp is nice but you can still gain exp in normal missions so that's ok. Hopefully GC related benefits stay this way. It would suck to have the very best rod only drop in a GC mission, for example.

[FOnewearl-Lina]

Why are some people saying it's $5 per run? Looking at Espio's numbers, isn't it only 100 yen per run? (400 yen split 4 ways) A dollar per run is still a lot though. I bet ST doesn't expect us to run this mission all the time. It's like the rare missions, you're not SUPPOSED to spam them all the time (but I bet ST wouldn't mind if you did! :lol: ) I don't mind paying a little extra now and then but I certainly won't be doing it often.
Because knowing ST, they'll stick up a few Photon Crystalx99 trades up... And then it really adds up!

[Tetsaru]

Guess I'll just say "paizuri" next time, even though stronger choice of words usually better demonstrates my point, as my peers have already acknowledged. =P

But seriously, what drops from these events to make em worth the price tag anyway? And if someone gets an item from these missions, couldn't they just sell/trade them to those who don't want to pay for this kinda crap?? Assuming the items CAN be sold/traded, of course...

This sounds pretty much like buying add-on content for a game, except you may or may not get the content you paid for... like some sort of messed up deal on Ebay or something, lol... >_<

[Powder Keg]

Photon Drops > Guardians Cash

[sovalou]

i swear if i see a kerseline in these missions, i will quit PSU >_>

[The_Brimada]

i swear if i see a kerseline in these missions, i will quit PSU >_>

I seriously lol'ed at this and feel the same way :p

[Cooljames2186]

Can we say this is ridiculous...I mean I have nothing against Sega but Im not trying to see this as another Rock Band fetish...meaning this shouldnt be a recurring thing with more content and more GC purchase...is Sega going to offer refunds? most likely not...meaning you will be stuck with any additional GC...unless it can equally be divided into a certain amount of missions. Have they really thought this out well...tiss tiss...oh well it's PSU life...it was going to be sooner or later...are they trying to close the servers? wow...such drama...LMAO

[OldCoot]

The supplemental update site was updated with information on GUARDIANS Cash.

http://phantasystaruniverse.jp/news/update/option/

You can buy it in lumps. Here's the breakdown. (GUARDIANS Cash > JP yen > US dollars > British pounds)

500 GC = 500 yen = $5.19 (US) = 3.16 GBP
1000 GC = 1000 yen = $10.38 (US) = 6.31 GBP
2000 GC = 2000 yen = $20.77 (US) = 12.62 GBP
3150 GC = 3000 yen = $31.15 (US) = 18.94 GBP
5250 GC = 5000 yen = $51.92 (US) = 31.56 GBP
10500 GC = 10000 yen = $103.84 (US) = 63.12 GBP

Now for the price per mission... brace yourselves.

Legacy of the Light: C | B | A | S
Split four ways: 40 | 60 | 80 | 100
Split three ways: 50 | 80 | 100 | 130
Split two ways: 80 | 120 | 160 | 200
Single player: 100 | 150 | 200 | 250
Leader covers all: 160 | 240 | 320 | 400

Entrusted Defense: C | B | A | S
Split four ways: 30 | 30 | 40 | 50
Split three ways: 40 | 40 | 50 | 60
Split two ways: 60 | 70 | 80 | 100
Single player: 90 | 100 | 120 | 150
Leader covers all: 120 | 140 | 160 | 200

So basically, your party can split the cost between members (depending on how many people you have) or the leader can volunteer to cover the cost for everyone.

Oh, and the level requirements:

Legacy of the Light
C: LV50+
B: LV80+
A: LV100+
S: LV130+

Entrusted Defense
C: LV50+
B: LV80+
A: LV110+
S: LV140+

In other news, the following items have been confirmed for the exchange mission.

http://phantasystaruniverse.jp/news/update/option/item_change/

Rocket Punch (S-grade knuckles)
Diska Slasher (S-grade dagger)
Rappy Fan (A-grade card)
410 Ossaria Dress and Set (clothes and parts)
480 Ossaria Suit and Set (clothes and parts)

This page also confirms that Photon Drops will be obtained from GC missions (aside from just Photon Crystals).

Wow. I would have to pay a dollar for the opportunity to run with 3 others one run on S for LoL or I could pay for everyone and basically pay 4 dollars to do this run? Now what would I get for 4 dollars? A bunch of Kerseline, Vestaline and photons and maybe 1 S rank board or a made weapon in the teens for the elemental percent?

Also is the option to boot others removed? I can see it now that a PL could boot others who just paid to make their play a whole lot cheaper.

[str898mustang]

Paying real money to play a mission = BULLSHIT


These missions better not have exclusive drops. If anything, they should be items/weapons that already drop in the game, just at a greater drop rate.

[Cooljames2186]

[QUOTE=Also is the option to boot others removed? I can see it now that a PL could boot others who just paid to make their play a whole lot cheaper.[/QUOTE]

Good Question!

[Hrith]

As if PSU needed a finishing blow...

[thunder-ray]

After reading the prices of the GC to play the event missions I think ima skip this event >_>.

[Ruru]

this is just really sad. and alot of good questions have been asked as well.

like are we going to see junk drops like kerseline vestaline etc? are the rare drops REALLY going to be worth the amount of real money we have to spend just to play it? will maya actually jump out of our screens? also the boot option BETTER be turned off. i honestly dont see people bringing in randoms they dont know, but booting would be HORRIBLE on a paid mission.

i could barely afford to pay bills and keep this game going as it is. i'm honestly never going to be able to do these missions unless someone paid for me. and honestly i just dont think it will be worth it knowing segas track record for work =/= reward. seeing as how they want us to spam something over and over and over to get a drop we may or may not break or have come out at a low% just so we can spam the mission more and more. i dont see them changing that now. imagine paying for a mission and getting nothing out of it. how screwed will you feel? lol

[biggabertha]

Ah what...?!

£65ish for 10,500 credits that will roughly cover about thirty or forty runs if you balance between the two..?

Man.... £2 a run...

With any luck though, these will be like the Rare missions we currently have. 5x EXP, 5x the drop rate, PA boosts and just an easier shot at doing things.

What I'm REALLY concerned about, is rare maps.

Imagine NOT getting a rare map/enemy like how some of us got REALLY tired and frustrated at how there were no Jaos OR Bil de hulk-smashers in Phantom Fissure...

Still, I'm up for paying something like this if it means I'll get a stack of Vulcaline in about 20 minutes. No wait...

[Volcompat321]

I really wish you could just pay meseta for missions or something. I'd much rather spend a stack a week or something running these missions, rather than my $100. :( I'm really sad.

[Powder Keg]

..Can anyone else see desperate guys online now?

"hey ill pay for u to come in GC mission"

:D

[Ethateral]

Why should I have to pay to play missions? I already pay you a monthly fee. I pay for this game as well as for my bills. Kthx.

I won't be playing them. Unless of course, SEGAC of Japan realizes that it's player base isn't too keen on it. Why not make them free...? I already pay you money every month.

[Yamishi]

Why are some people saying it's $5 per run? Looking at Espio's numbers, isn't it only 100 yen per run? (400 yen split 4 ways) A dollar per run is still a lot though. I bet ST doesn't expect us to run this mission all the time. It's like the rare missions, you're not SUPPOSED to spam them all the time (but I bet ST wouldn't mind if you did! :lol: ) I don't mind paying a little extra now and then but I certainly won't be doing it often.

Yeah, if you team up with three additional people, it equates to $1 each, which doesn't strike me as bank-breaking.

In addition, aren't Japanese products typically more expensive than US ones? I mean, I'm not the most worldly person ever, but I was under the impression that stuff just cost more in Japan.

Regardless, people need to quit whining. We've been told over and over and over that these missions are optional, and I don't intend to call Sega of Japan a group of liars without even seeing what these missions are like.

Also, for people stating that they already pay for PSU, you must take into consideration that you're paying for server access, and getting content updates in the process. GC missions are allegedly not going to stop regular content updates, so you're not losing a dime. If you don't want to pay a dollar for an EXP boost, then don't, but for the love of crimony, quit bashing Sega or threatening to quit over it.

I, for one, am looking forward to GC missions, and I intend to try all of them at least once. If I'm dissatisfied, I shan't go back for more.

On that note, we may not even see GUARDIANS Cash missions on this side of the Pacific, anyway.

[Tetsaru]

I don't intend to quit if we DO get it, but it IS rather insulting to make us have to pay MORE for content they SHOULD'VE just given to us for the monthly fees we DO pay. If they had just stuck to that, then maybe people wouldn't complain so much during post-event times like now - we'd all have something productive to do while we wait on our event rewards and such.

Imo, this is just another wtf bad Segac move to further tarnish their bad rep, which will only become a deterrent to players who just want to be able to get the cool in-game stuff they deserve. Now, if it were a one-time-only add-on type thing... I might buy into it, but seriously, are there any other online games like WoW or FFXI that pull this kind of shit??

*INSERT 25 CENTS TO CONTINUE...*

[Gibdozer]

Paying real money to play a mission = BULLSHIT


These missions better not have exclusive drops. If anything, they should be items/weapons that already drop in the game, just at a greater drop rate.

On the contrary these missions better have exclusive drops, higher boost rates, and current rares dropping like Vestilines if Sega expects people to invest a substantial amount in Guardians Cash.

[Inazuma]

On the contrary these missions better have exclusive drops, higher boost rates, and current rares dropping like Vestilines if Sega expects people to invest a substantial amount in Guardians Cash.

If they do, it's a big "fuck you" to all the players who don't wanna waste their money on this shit.

Just noticed Sonichi updated their site. Seems they will be renaming universe 13 (the ONLY general universe left, all the others are named after planets, etc) for GC missions. There goes our only general universe -_-

On the bright side, we can use this to gauge how popular (or not) the GC missions are. I hope to never see a full star.

[Dhylec]

Just noticed Sonichi updated their site. Seems they will be renaming universe 13 (the ONLY general universe left, all the others are named after planets, etc) for GC missions. There goes our only general universe -_-

On the bright side, we can use this to gauge how popular (or not) the GC missions are. I hope to never see a full star.
Don't underestimate the sense of curiosity. People might flock to try out at least once.

[Ruru]

i wont doubt that it will be crowded in the first week for those missions. no matter how much people complain there will always be those willing to throw away their money just to try out something new.

[misstigress]

On the contrary these missions better have exclusive drops, higher boost rates, and current rares dropping like Vestilines if Sega expects people to invest a substantial amount in Guardians Cash.

Why don't they just allow you to pay for a "god mode" option while they're at it? Hell, maybe they should give you GM powers if you pay enough!

[ThaiSoup]

Why don't they just allow you to pay for a "god mode" option while they're at it? Hell, maybe they should give you GM powers if you pay enough!

I lol'd. And cash shops gtfo imo.

[biggabertha]

What are the odds of these missions actually turning out to be the most fun you've EVER had..?

Wouldn't that be quite the surprise..?

I'd really like to see the difficulty that missions like Firebreak gave us in the past. Now THEY, were hard and fun..! Ahhh...! The Moatoob one...!

Heh, wouldn't it just be so Sega to make the missions so incredibly difficult that everyone loses all 10 scapes, 20 trimates and enemies somehow DRAINED PP from your weapons..?

[Arika]

Don't underestimate the sense of curiosity. People might flock to try out at least once.

I think the same. On the first day, there will be a lot of people who wanna run it and try it out. (I m sure that 100 yen is very cheap in JP, it is same price as one credit in common arcade game only)
But when the time pass, people will find that this mission isn't worth the money at all, and they will just go back to play common free missions, and only return to this when they really need a quick boost.



Heh, wouldn't it just be so Sega to make the missions so incredibly difficult that everyone loses all 10 scapes, 20 trimates and enemies somehow DRAINED PP from your weapons..?
Because of the exp boost and all the bonus they mentioned, who know if it might be the easiest mission we ever have.. <,<

[AzureBlaze]

Anyone ever considered the always in-opportune disconnect during one of these things?

And since theres no RJs, one cable fumble and it's a buck down the drain. Better hope the router is feeling friendly and no one ever lags again...! I've met some EUs who's connection just can't always be counted on and it's totally not their fault. I know they'll never run because of the fear of wasting money only to get d/c mid miss and stand around helpless outside the gate getting 0 items.

Now:
PM breaks your wep or gives you okiku doll you get mad
Then:
PM breaks your $5 footlong (or whatever corney wep board/armor board comes out of these) RAAAGE
Future:
ST keeps money anyway. Priceless. Or not.

Conditions for it to 'all be ok...ish'
High % PRE MADE (you know she's going to screw it up) weps drop like kerselines
Regular "free" (they're not free) updates continue AS GOOD AS or BETTER than before
Paid missions do not require spamming for any reason
They actually raise the cap so that extra EXP means something
Missions are actually fun and not some crazy gimmic to make things hard like 25 jarbas per-room megidding so you lose
Paid missions do not allow some '3l33t class' to be formed (but with everyone so down on them already I dont see how this is going to happen even if.)

I do agree with making the cost more trivial.
If you really have to THINK about it before doing it, it'll be a prob. But if it's something like vegas nickle slots or whatever that would make it MUCH easier for people to spend spend spend and not really realize/care. It's easier to lure in people with penny-anty costs and keep them saying "oh well it's just a $0.xx ....you know...lets go again!"

The question remains:
Is it RIGHT to be doing these added costs when the game is already pay?
I'm not familiar with other ORPGS MMORPGS so I don't know if other games do that. I know people buy lvl packs and etc. but those are permenent because they go on your XBox or something. But like WOW is pay to play but does it charge extra for uh...whatever they use or go to? I know the already-free-play games have cash shops but...they're free!

Conclusion: I'm on the fence but will likely give 'em 5 bucks try both once and thats it.

[mvffin]

extra experience in JP DOES mean something, as they have the AEXP and such in place. Even at cap, your XP gain means something, and you can use it for new abilities and such. I guess if the missions are pretty cheap, and actually drop things, it'll be worth a few runs at least. If i get a 17% ANYTHING it will probably kill the mission for me.

[Gibdozer]

If they do, it's a big "fuck you" to all the players who don't wanna waste their money on this shit.

Just noticed Sonichi updated their site. Seems they will be renaming universe 13 (the ONLY general universe left, all the others are named after planets, etc) for GC missions. There goes our only general universe -_-

On the bright side, we can use this to gauge how popular (or not) the GC missions are. I hope to never see a full star.

I'm hoping its more of a BIG thank you to the players who do want to pay for it!



i wont doubt that it will be crowded in the first week for those missions. no matter how much people complain there will always be those willing to throw away their money just to try out something new.

Yeah what kind of fool would throw away a whole dollar to try something new.

[Ruru]

I'm hoping its more of a BIG thank you to the players who do want to pay for it!




Yeah what kind of fool would throw away a whole dollar to try something new.


sorry but all sarcasm aside, not everyone can afford to throw away a whole dollar. i dont care how cheap 1 dollar sounds, not everyone has money sitting around to spend on something like this. just because you have money to burn doesnt mean everyone else is in your same situation so get over yourself.

[stukasa]

I think this is what happened with the GC missions:
Expectation <-----------------------------> Reality

People are upset over the price tag because they don't have a good grasp of ST's intentions. Some people thought ST expected them to run these missions a lot, but judging by the price I don't think that's true. I don't think ST expects anyone to spam a mission that's a $1 per run, that would be ridiculously expensive. And really, no one knows enough about the missions yet to say whether they're worth it or not.

I saw the same shock and outrage when information about the Master classes were first released. "OMG these classes have worse stats than the Fortes! They're terrible and no one will play them!" Well, look how that turned out. I know this isn't exactly the same situation but my point is that we don't know all the details yet. Let's wait and see how things go.

I know ST is being demonized over this as greedy blood-suckers trying to rob their customers and I think that's a little unfair. Just like the content itself, we don't know their motivation behind GC in the first place. Every company's goal is to make money but I doubt ST would do this just for profit. Maybe they needed more money to develop new content, and since they didn't want to increase the monthly fee, they decided to go with these optional things instead. The player base (especially in Japan) is declining and this might be their only option. Who knows? In any case, I don't think there was any smirking Sega executive saying, "Let's figure out how to sap a few more dollars from our victims--I mean customers!"

[Inazuma]

I could spend hundreds of dollars each month on PSU but that's not the point. I don't have to be poor to be against it. If you buy GC, you are telling Sonichi it's good to charge extra like this and it will encourage them to keep doing it. It could spread to other games if it's successful enough. Just look at DLC in general. Companies charge absurd prices for small pieces of content (sometimes it's even on the disc already), but the players buy it anyway.

Movie theater prices have steadily risen about a dollar each year, up to around $12 a ticket now. Do the people care? Nope. They keep going to the theater and supporting it. Hell, they also started showing regular commercials before the movie and once again, people don't care. People are idiots, and these companies take advantage of that.

They started to add unskippable commercials to DVDs that play before the menu loads. This is totally outrageous but DVDs continue to sell. What's wrong with everyone? This kind of shit will keep happening if we keep allowing it to happen.

Telemarketers and spam in general wouldn't exist unless some stupid fuckers bought into it. Stop being selfish and look at the big picture sometimes.

While I do think it's good for Sonichi to make money, this is NOT the right way to do it. If you really care about PSU and video games in general, you wouldn't support something that will make them worse.

[Waki Miko Syamemaru!]

I could spend hundreds of dollars each month on PSU but that's not the point. I don't have to be poor to be against it. If you buy GC, you are telling Sonichi it's good to charge extra like this and it will encourage them to keep doing it. It could spread to other games if it's successful enough. Just look at DLC in general. Companies charge absurd prices for small pieces of content (sometimes it's even on the disc already), but the players buy it anyway.

Movie theater prices have steadily risen about a dollar each year, up to around $12 a ticket now. Do the people care? Nope. They keep going to the theater and supporting it. Hell, they also started showing regular commercials before the movie and once again, people don't care. People are idiots, and these companies take advantage of that.

They started to add unskippable commercials to DVDs that play before the menu loads. This is totally outrageous but DVDs continue to sell. What's wrong with everyone? This kind of shit will keep happening if we keep allowing it to happen.

Telemarketers and spam in general wouldn't exist unless some stupid fuckers bought into it. Stop being selfish and look at the big picture sometimes.

While I do think it's good for Sonichi to make money, this is NOT the right way to do it. If you really care about PSU and video games in general, you wouldn't support something that will make them worse.

You do know the masses are still gonna buy Guardians Cash in order to play some of these missions right? I'm sure there will be a handfull that waste they're paychecks just to spam the missions over and over again just so they can brag about all the cool stuff they got from it. Inazuma, the living can be stupid sometimes. I blame the internet...and FOX News.

[biggabertha]

Inazuma makes a very good point.

We shouldn't really support them like this at all but it's sad that curiosity will get the better of us - if every single player buys just 500 GUARDIANs Cash then Sonic Team have made quite a sum of money. If the mission is basically an event mission that might possibly be "fun" then it's going to be a decent outlet - either to celebrate or to kick back or to give yourself a challenge.

Afterall, there are £20,000+ weddings going on over here that are totally normal.

Man... £20,000 can buy you a small house... or lots of noodles...

[Aorre]

I'll take the noodles too.

I wonder if there's a "pay-$1000-and-get-whatever-you-want" option coming up

[Arika]

I think this is what happened with the GC missions:
Expectation <-----------------------------> Reality

People are upset over the price tag because they don't have a good grasp of ST's intentions. Some people thought ST expected them to run these missions a lot, but judging by the price I don't think that's true. I don't think ST expects anyone to spam a mission that's a $1 per run, that would be ridiculously expensive. And really, no one knows enough about the missions yet to say whether they're worth it or not.

I saw the same shock and outrage when information about the Master classes were first released. "OMG these classes have worse stats than the Fortes! They're terrible and no one will play them!" Well, look how that turned out. I know this isn't exactly the same situation but my point is that we don't know all the details yet. Let's wait and see how things go.

I know ST is being demonized over this as greedy blood-suckers trying to rob their customers and I think that's a little unfair. Just like the content itself, we don't know their motivation behind GC in the first place. Every company's goal is to make money but I doubt ST would do this just for profit. Maybe they needed more money to develop new content, and since they didn't want to increase the monthly fee, they decided to go with these optional things instead. The player base (especially in Japan) is declining and this might be their only option. Who knows? In any case, I don't think there was any smirking Sega executive saying, "Let's figure out how to sap a few more dollars from our victims--I mean customers!"

yup, that is the same point as what I said.
If they are clever and want to get money, they will set it to cost only 0.25$ a run, to draw people to spam it. It is same as Photon gacha trick. (set high and nobody try it, or set low and keep gaining)

SO in this case, I think ST want this mission to become something like alternative rare missions

Edit: On the another note, they limit children from paying too much GC also. (max 5000 yen per month or something, but no limit to adult)

[FOnewearl-Lina]

I'll take the noodles too.

I wonder if there's a "pay-$1000-and-get-whatever-you-want" option coming up
Oi Aorre! where'd you disappear to?


Looks like foreign credit cards can't purchase more than 2000 GC at a time or something? :o


http://phantasystaruniverse.jp/news/gmevent/gc2009/
And GMs finally get new clothes! No more V1 clothes!

EDIT: Maintenance extended... ETA unknown :D

[Deissa]

PSU the KRPG
go team *thumbs up*

[FOnewearl-Lina]

Spare a penny fer a cup o tea 'guv?

Servers should be up by now, but they're not... *checks website again*

http://phantasystaruniverse.jp/news/wis/?mode=view&id=912
Oh lol, delayed yet again, for another 2 hours :D

[Angry_Ryudo]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_YfFGRqeDZfY/SSoWY8tzDfI/AAAAAAAAEXc/v8LK_bPH0LI/s400/Obi+Wan+Kenobi+02+Large.JPG
I've got a bad feeling about this.

[FOnewearl-Lina]

What's worse is they already opened up the purchasing of GC...
So not only do we have to wait to use our new currency, but rolling back the update becomes even less of an option.

EDIT: Servers UP

10 Crystals for the new parts :o

Photon Exchange rate:
Weapons
-Rocket Punch (S rank knuckle) 8 crystals
-Rappy Fan (A rank slicer) 6 crystals
-Diska of Slasher (S rank dagger) 10 crystals

Clothes/Parts
-410 and 480 cloths 2 crystals each
-corresponding cast parts are 10 crystals each

also, 10 Photon Drops = 1 Crystal.

[Ceresa]

Just did entrusted defense S

3 min mission for 250k xp and 5 drop reward...

what shit

[FOnewearl-Lina]

[spoiler-box]
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y274/FoLina/PSU/psu20090605_024637_001.jpg
[/spoiler-box]
Too short, throw away your money for junk boxes!

[biggabertha]

3 minute mission for 250k EXP, 5 Photon drops or half a Photon Crystal..?

So that's 20 runs for Casts/Caseals to get ONE set of parts that they want..?

MAAAAAAAAAN.... that's harsh...

But a quarter of a million EXP in three minutes is stellar.

I'm assuming it wasn't fun...? Solo..? In a team of four...?

Do Kerselines and such drop in there..?

[Dhylec]

I guess everyone will try this out at least once. How's the population on this GC server?

[Waki Miko Syamemaru!]

Wait are the GC missions up for only the Japanese side servers or is also avialable for the US/EU side? Also, Lina I'm guessing that the missions aren't worth the money and are too short? Hopefully Sega will realize this and lower the cost.

[EspioKaos]

Any Meseta or MP rewards from Entrusted Defense? Just trying to set up the rewards chart for the article at PSUP. ;)

http://www.psuxxx.info/uploader/src/up1845.jpg

Opaopa drops in Legacy of the Light. o:

[Arika]

The first GC mission have different route when the party has more than one player.

[spoiler-box]
http://www.psuxxx.info/uploader/src/up1845.jpg
[/spoiler-box]
Opa-Opa, a shadog?

[Ceresa]

We got Magana Revolt and Rocket Punch from Legacy of Suck lol no trade.

Also I might have been exaggerating on the 250k for entrusted, forgot I was pretty far along my current AP, so more like 100k maybe!

Legacy of Light was only 180k in 10 mins too. At least that one gave a crystal and 4ish rarez though.

[FOnewearl-Lina]

Legacy of Light was only 180k in 10 mins too. At least that one gave a crystal and 4ish rarez though.
Tons of Brafals and Ryutass too!

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y274/FoLina/PSU/psu20090605_031009_009.jpg
Rawket Panch!
Also got opaopa, but that's boring so no pics of it (you've all seen opaopa, and know what it looks like anyway)

Non Tradeable of course...

[EspioKaos]

http://www.psuxxx.info/uploader/src/up1854.jpg

Soul Eater

http://www.psuxxx.info/uploader/src/up1848.jpg

Prophets of Motav

[Dhylec]

Heh, so far, pretty much all PSO/retro items for collectors & die-hard PS fans.

[stukasa]

100 yen for a 3 minute mission? That's WAY too short! >.>

And to get the CAST parts you need to run the mission 20 times, which means that outfit costs 2000 yen. :eek: As much as I want new clothes and parts, no thanks--for $20 I could practically buy some REAL clothes. :lol:

EDIT: Actually, I just realized that's Entrusted Defense. How long is Legacy of Light? Still, even for 50 yen a run, that's still $10 for one CAST outfit. :<

[S4CT4L1TY]

100 yen for a 3 minute mission? That's WAY too short! >.>

And to get the CAST parts you need to run the mission 20 times, which means that outfit costs 2000 yen. :eek: As much as I want new clothes and parts, no thanks--for $20 I could practically buy some REAL clothes. :lol:

yea i agree they migh as well just plain charge you for the clothes like ummmm the only game that comes to mind is maple story lol yea but even thats free to play ^^;

[fay]

so how many of you are regretting your payments already?

this idea is really gonna be an epic fail. i bet a lot of the people playing them wanted the new items so they could sell and make a bit of money. not making them sell about will be like a big SLAP across the face to those people

[FOnewearl-Lina]

[spoiler-box]http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y274/FoLina/PSU/psu20090605_035713_010.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y274/FoLina/PSU/psu20090605_040541_014.jpg[/spoiler-box]
lawlz
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y274/FoLina/PSU/psu20090605_050253_017.jpg

[Inazuma]

Is Motav wand GC exclusive and stronger than Guranahodora? Either way, fuck GC.

[Arika]

100 yen for a 3 minute mission? That's WAY too short! >.>

And to get the CAST parts you need to run the mission 20 times, which means that outfit costs 2000 yen. :eek: As much as I want new clothes and parts, no thanks--for $20 I could practically buy some REAL clothes. :lol:

EDIT: Actually, I just realized that's Entrusted Defense. How long is Legacy of Light? Still, even for 50 yen a run, that's still $10 for one CAST outfit. :<

no, you got 1 photon crystal as clear rewards, but you get many photon drop per runs. When I run with Darkhealv2.0. I got 1 crystal + 20 photon drops.

that is 3 crystal totally for the first run.

[fay]

i can see it now. if a decent amount of people pay for these then 90% of updates from now on all resolve around more paying missions

[Dark_Heal_v2]

The mechgun I got from the CG mission
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g233/ahtl/PSU238.jpg
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g233/ahtl/PSU237.jpg

[FOnewearl-Lina]

Is Motav wand GC exclusive and stronger than Guranahodora? Either way, fuck GC.
Yeah, watch PSU die a slow and painful death... right now there's 2 universes with 2 full stars, 1 universe with 1 and a half stars, and a bunch of people whining about it in their online status.

[Ceresa]

So far everything but Rappy Fan is best in it's weapon category. Well Soul Eater not so much...

Luckily there's no Master weapons except Sword and Wand that aren't used much. It's still bullshit though.

Also Prophets (Granahodra 10/10 is 926tp btw...)

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l218/aerawnt/prophets1.jpg

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l218/aerawnt/prophets2.jpg

[fay]

I need to be honest here. the effects from the Prophats looks fecking sweet

[FOnewearl-Lina]

The mechgun I got from the CG mission
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g233/ahtl/PSU238.jpg
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g233/ahtl/PSU237.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y274/FoLina/PSU/psu20090605_044630_016.jpg
Bullet effect is really nice too.

Rares drop like 1-2 every run...
They're quite common, so you can stop whining about that.
Random loot and not being able to trade those drops is another thing...

[Ezodagrom]

[spoiler-box]http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/2836/guardianscash.png[/spoiler-box]
...I know...bad joke...
:wacko:

[fay]

actually Ezodagrom i just found that hilarious :D
probably because its so true

[Dymalos]

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y274/FoLina/PSU/psu20090605_044630_016.jpg
Bullet effect is really nice too.

Rares drop like 1-2 every run...
They're quite common, so you can stop whining about that.
Random loot and not being able to trade those drops is another thing...

I think that Machinegun is in PSP, in that game it was Beast only IRC.

[str898mustang]

so u cant trade or sell the items that drop from the GC missions?

[Ceresa]

You can't sell the PSP rarez.

175 is a new drop tier though, Pijeriline, Apocalypse boards seen so far, they're tradable.

[str898mustang]

You can't sell the PSP rarez.

175 is a new drop tier though, Pijeriline, Apocalypse boards seen so far, they're tradable.

what about the Prophets? ( I never played the PSP version)

[Ceresa]

Gotta pay!

[str898mustang]

fail fail fail, oh well guess I could spare a couple bucks whenever it comes :/

[str898mustang]

Arank sword with 1000atp O.o??

http://www.psuxxx.info/uploader/src/up1854.jpg

[Ezodagrom]

So...that A rank is basically an Agito Repca grinded to 5...yay?

[Arika]

To review the 2 missions I played.

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/3969/87740659.jpg
First, the one with EXP/PA boost. this one is half-price cheaper, but it is really just worth playing at all, when you compare to the second one. The style look like practicing PA room on carnival and STD, but larger room, and more types of enemy.



This one is the one that give me some good experience at least. Just like Biggabatha said, most fun mission in a long time@!

At the first room, it has some enemy and then end with 3 Svaltus.

Next room come the hall of frames.
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/3826/psuilluminus20090604223.jpg


After that, you will have to shoot at the purple traps without hit orange traps.
http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/2199/44002875.jpg



Then, here is come for the separate rooms.
If you go solo:
-room A-1 : you will have to avoid killing enemy and run to hit the switch, the more enemy you kill, the less boxes you get.

-room A-2 : you will see a 5 or 6 digi-numbers at the entrance and then, you have to key that number to unlock the boxes.

-room A-3 : fight with a few pakuda beast (I name them this, because of STD lol)


If you have party :
-room B-1 : you will see these red laser for only few sec, and then it will turn into invisible. you have to move to the goal as fast as you can while SEED enemy will try to disturb you.
[spoiler-box]http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/3826/psuilluminus20090604223.jpg[/spoiler-box]

-room B-2 : you fight with the lighting beasts, they drop [b] 12* saber.

-room B-3 : fighting with a lot of ryugrass and the this pakuda beast. (full buff)

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/8057/psuilluminus20090604224k.jpg





After missions : 2 new clothes.

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/6428/20779023.jpghttp://img134.imageshack.us/img134/6599/psuilluminus20090604232.jpg

[str898mustang]

So if the PSP items aren't tradebale, would it be better to set rare items to finder? (with trusted friends of course)

[stukasa]

no, you got 1 photon crystal as clear rewards, but you get many photon drop per runs. When I run with Darkhealv2.0. I got 1 crystal + 20 photon drops.

that is 3 crystal totally for the first run.
Thanks for clarifying, 3 crystals per run is a bit more reasonable. ^^; And I'm glad to hear at least one of the GC missions is fun!

P.S. Is the clothing version of the PM outfits a one-piece or does it come in 2-3 pieces? (top, bottoms, shoes, etc.) Also, I'm guessing there are 5 colors for non-CASTs?

[beatrixkiddo]

Arank sword with 1000atp O.o??

http://www.psuxxx.info/uploader/src/up1854.jpg

Soul Eater :)

[Inazuma]

OK then. GC exclusive items/clothes are banned in my parties. I should probably form a list so I can better keep track of them.

[Ecchi]

OK then. GC exclusive items/clothes are banned in my parties. I should probably form a list so I can better keep track of them.

Its amazing how heated everyone is getting over this lol.

[FOnewearl-Lina]

OK then. GC exclusive items/clothes are banned in my parties. I should probably form a list so I can better keep track of them.
Noooooo!!!! Not the clothes!!! (Guess I'm banned)

[Inazuma]

I can add something like:
GC専用アイテム禁止
to the comment section.

For those who can't read JP, it says "GC exclusive items are forbidden". Hopefully this catches on with other players. At the least, it will help my personal experience in PSU to not be ruined.

Lina様へ
You can wear those clothes if you want. That's up to you. Just don't join my parties unless you wanna get booted :P

[SammaeltheDark]

[spoiler-box]
http://www.psuxxx.info/uploader/src/up1854.jpg[/spoiler-box]
From the comment, don't tell me Opa-Opa has been released in the GC missions, too!

And the fan reaction just reminds me of this (http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Ruined_FOREVER)
...Yet the game still lives on

[Ecchi]

A ranks with better S rank Stats lolz...WTF?!?!?!?

Edit: And how well does it grind thats wut i wanna kno >.>

[Deragonite]

I'm guessing like in PS:P, the Soul Eater will have damage reflection. It was about 10% damage reflection, hence the superior stats... that damage reflection is a huge drawback imo.

[str898mustang]

Looks like Prophets doesn't grind too well

http://www.psuxxx.info/uploader/src/up1874.jpg

[beatrixkiddo]

Yes, Opa-Opa drops.

Prophet has nice stats to begin with though, and it's sexy. No need to grind resta sticks anyway.

[OldCoot]

I have not seen anyone comment on this, but is the option to boot people removed? I wouldn't want to spend my real money just to make it cheaper for some scammer to play them.

[fay]

as far as i have heard, yes, the option to boot has been removed.

this is really bugging me. what are those items with blue text. iv never saw that before

[Ceresa]

Diska Slasher looks awesome, shame it's hard to do it justice with still pictures.

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l218/aerawnt/diskaslasher1.jpg

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l218/aerawnt/diskaslasher2.jpg

[beatrixkiddo]

as far as i have heard, yes, the option to boot has been removed.

this is really bugging me. what are those items with blue text. iv never saw that before

Locked items. You can't drop or NPC them. You choose which items you want to lock or not. It used to be an awful dark purple that you could hardly read against the menu background, now it's blue!

[Powder Keg]

So basically, all this stuff we're not going to get (let alone have the chance to get), unless we give Sonic Team extra money..?

[beatrixkiddo]

Yessir!

[pikachief]

no ;_;

i already see myself spending a fortune on clothes for Kitty :( lol X.x

[SammaeltheDark]

Yes, Opa-Opa drops.

ggs Sega... you'll have my money

..more of it

[Arika]

the level 175 drops seem to be the same as 150 drops.

all the premade-melee change to [b] (important for hunter)
all the [b]guns/techs change to pre-made (not so useful)

I think those items will drop from future free missions too. but I guess PSP weapon will be exclusive,, which isn't quite an good idea..

[Ethateral]

Wtf.. I want PM clothing. ._. I don't want to pay though. What the fuck.

[Ruru]

Wtf.. I want PM clothing. ._. I don't want to pay though. What the fuck.

lol you can ask biggabertha. i've been asking for PM clothing since i started playing this game. i find it a bit mean they'd make us pay for them after all this time though. i wonder if they'll add more "npc" clothes to the price tag list.

[beatrixkiddo]

Posted some of the new items in SS thread for anyone curious

http://pso-world.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2322456&postcount=38

[goldbrease]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_YfFGRqeDZfY/SSoWY8tzDfI/AAAAAAAAEXc/v8LK_bPH0LI/s400/Obi+Wan+Kenobi+02+Large.JPG
I've got a bad feeling about this.

not only do i have the same bad feeling but... now i want to watch episode 2 >.>

anyways what is the exact cost of GC from money yen averaged to dollar? and how much do the missions cost? i don't seem to see any straight posts on this.

[beatrixkiddo]

100 GC is about 100 Yen

100 Yen is about 1 dollar.

One 4man run of the (only good) mission on S costs you 100 GC. 3man costs 130, dunno 2man and solo off the top of my head.

Espio posted all the info a while back but it's been buried by now.

[goldbrease]

so 1 dollar is 100 GC ok, for a 4 man run its costs each person 100 gc? >.> now i could see 10 gc solo or 5 gc per person on a 4 man but... 1$ a run... this may go for awhile but i think sega may change it fast once players realized how gipped they are getting.......
espeshily with the rares being locked >.>
I really do not want to do a mission were raandom may give me kerseline and 1 guys gets everything good and I have to pay 1$ per run.

this looks even worse then the buy a quest pack stuff they were doing with eq2.

[Deragonite]

It looks like it costs 4 dollars per party? It seems to be a similar to the 240 tickets per party during carnival.

2 people 2 dollars
1 person 4 dollars

Wow SEGA IS raking in the money. I'm positive that the mission has been run well over 1000 times by now.

So far, none of the "best" stuff is dropping at these pay-to-play missions (besides that Ragan saber I guess, and since it's not sellable, lolololol at getting a 46%+ set of these things). I see little incentive to play it except to try it.

[beatrixkiddo]

Pretty sure Apocalypse board is tradeable, only the PSP items so far are not.

[hunterseifer]

OK then. GC exclusive items/clothes are banned in my parties. I should probably form a list so I can better keep track of them.
Might as well add you hate ppl who have 5 dollars to spare in their pocket, lol

[Namine]

5 dollars in their pockets wouldn't really do any good, since the payment is done online.

[ANIMEniac]

my bottom line:

SoA has barely shown us that my $10 a month are being put to use, why in the flying **** should i spend another dime just to get things i want in a game that ALREADY HAS A SUBSCRIPTION. they either need to drop the monthly to $5 - Free, or make the conversion for points different, or expect all but 100 people to leave the game.

im sorry i am getting heated, but this works in Japan because ST cares about their players and gives them at least decent service and updates. in the US that is not about to go over to well unless ST get's their act straight.

[Turb0]

not only do i have the same bad feeling but... now i want to watch episode 2 >.>

anyways what is the exact cost of GC from money yen averaged to dollar? and how much do the missions cost? i don't seem to see any straight posts on this.

Espio posted it on page 2:

http://www.pso-world.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2321322&postcount=23

[goldbrease]

better idea for this system, for an extra 5$ a month make the gc missions all you can play for free. they would make money and players wouldn't feel quit so ripped of.... but not completly they would still feel it...

[Gibdozer]

Thanks everyone who posted pics of new items and info, I'm salivating! Maybe if Sega makes a killing with this in Japan they will ship it state side sooner, we can only hope.

[Arika]

So...that A rank is basically an Agito Repca grinded to 5...yay?

just to confirm, the soul eater has damage reflect...

Rappy fan is weaker than 9* slicer.

the only good stuffs are The book, Rocket punch, and Opa Opa.

Edit : (got 45% Rocket punch, but it is useless to me)

Edit 2 : I hope this thread won't turn into drama...

[Arika]

Let's put the problem about having money or not aside, people in different state will have different opinion anyway (eg. somebody will waste their money spam this carelessly, somebody will try it just a few runs like me, and somebody who will never touch this missions)
I think the more important point now that make people like to complain/quit more is about how PSP weapons turn to be GC-missions exclusive, and non-tradable, is this good or bad?

-Good side
1.It forbid rich children to spend a lot of RL-money to spam this and then sell them for in game meseta. (which is same as convert money to meseta)
2. encourage people to form party rather than solo, because some of the items are not need to certain classes. If a party can share their items depend on classes, you could get everything you want within 500 yen price. (I got a rockets punch 45% but I can't trade/sell them <_<; )

-Bad side
It make those items become unable to be accessed by non-GC players. Some of the items are too good to be over looked by elite players/collector who might not have extra money to spend. It is fair for them? or they should have an options to make this tradable?

[Shou]

*pops out of nowhere* Ya GC sounds very lame. Ill throw in my $5 when it comes because I want a Profacy wand but then will cancel my sub for 2weeks (or longer) so its like they didn't make any more money than they would have :/ then probably never again...

[Ruru]

Let's put the problem about having money or not aside, people in different state will have different opinion anyway (eg. somebody will waste their money spam this carelessly, somebody will try it just a few runs like me, and somebody who will never touch this missions)
I think the more important point now that make people like to complain/quit more is about how PSP weapons turn to be GC-missions exclusive, and non-tradable, is this good or bad?

-Good side
1.It forbid rich children to spend a lot of RL-money to spam this and then sell them for in game meseta. (which is same as convert money to meseta)
2. encourage people to form party rather than solo, because some of the items are not need to certain classes. If a party can share their items depend on classes, you could get everything you want within 500 yen price. (I got a rockets punch 45% but I can't trade/sell them <_<; )

-Bad side
It make those items become unable to be accessed by non-GC players. Some of the items are too good to be over looked by elite players/collector who might not have extra money to spend. It is fair for them? or they should have an options to make this tradable?


the biggest problem i see with these items being non tradeable/droppable/sellable is if you are running with a group and something drops to you that someone else wanted and you had no need for it. these untradeable items will be stuck with you regardless. unless you set this on give finder. but then you would have the problem of trust. can you actually trust certain people to not pick up some items? i guess it would be a case of "if you or your friends want something you can only run the mission with the closest people you know"

[Arika]

the biggest problem i see with these items being non tradeable/droppable/sellable is if you are running with a group and something drops to you that someone else wanted and you had no need for it. these untradeable items will be stuck with you regardless. unless you set this on give finder. but then you would have the problem of trust. can you actually trust certain people to not pick up some items? i guess it would be a case of "if you or your friends want something you can only run the mission with the closest people you know"

When I say "run in group" I mean "give finder"
For examples:
I m AT, so I only want the wands. GT can take mechgun. FF can take the knuckle. WT can take soul eater.

Something like that. it is totally depend on how many items you want, and how will you adjust with your friends. all of the items drop in the rate around 3/4 per run. so you can runs 5 times by 500 yen, and that will definitely give the stuff you want. (unless you want every kinds of them then you have to pay more)


believe your friend or not, all depend on yourself, but I never call anybody who I distrust as a "friend". It doesn't has to be the closest one, since I believe that this community isn't that bad. At least, we are not talking about adding random into team.

[biggabertha]

Prophets of Motav...

Man.... how lame is that. It IS a hard drop in PSO GC, Oran exclusive I think... but to think now all you have to do to get it is to play a mission that could either be free for you or slightly less than a single meal/bottle of water.

The clothes really look interesting but why do they seem to look so strange on a tall model..? Seems like the proportions for the GH-41x series don't transfer so easily onto some character models.

The male GH-480 clothes look nice though - that's what..? Four things in total that males can wear to cover up their whole body..?


I'm glad that one of the missions is fun to run. The bottom line for both of these missions is how effective they will be concerning disconnections and localisation. For instance, it is pretty much guaranteed that the US servers will receive this far before the EU are able to.

It's also likely that Europeans will have to pay even more than those of you paying through American currencies.

Proof..? US players have a six month option to pay for their GUARDIANs License that works out to be around $50-60 (assuming that everyone saying that it's $10 a month). EU players pay either £6.99 a month (or was it £7.99 a month..?) or £15 for 60 days. You may only pay the £6.99 a month fee with Mastercard or Visa.


Sorry - off-topic and I did steer things back to finances but I would like to make it abundantly clear that paying for content that should already be provided to us seems like a pioneering and wholly substantiative idea from a business point of view.

Afterall, many players have already tried out the missions and many players already are probably farming Apocalypse boards for the remaining Fighgunners, Fortefighters, Protransers, Acrofighters and Acrotechers that desire the weapon. Sonic Team is making money at this point.

World of Warcraft did this with their trading card game. I wonder if there was a kick up/fuss about that as well..?

[goldbrease]

dude chill out. arguing in the forum will not solve things. it may get you guys banned however.

now from my points of view. i see you saying if it does well in jp, us sega will want to get it over here sooner meaning they will want to get us threw updates and events sooner. so from how i view your comment, you saying this could leade us to catching up tp jp if it goes well.

[Ryna]

Let's keep discussion restricted to the new items and missions, not about whether people have the ability to pay for them or not.

[AC_Messiah]

Any international business should consider the different cultures they operate within. Japan may be used to this sort of transaction, we are not. Hopefully SEGA will realise that it cannot run exactly the same game in these two very different cultures. I have the feeling they will ignore these differences, which is why SEGA is not very successful.

Do other online rpgs have anything similar to this? WOW etc...

[hunterseifer]

5 dollars in their pockets wouldn't really do any good, since the payment is done online.
Guess I shouldve said the money is on the debit card, which is in my pocket and can be used online ^^;

[Arika]

To review the 2 missions I played.



Then, here is come for the separate rooms :


If you have party :
-room B-1 : you will see these red laser for only few sec, and then it will turn into invisible. you have to move to the goal as fast as you can while SEED enemy will try to disturb you.
[spoiler-box]http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/3826/psuilluminus20090604223.jpg[/spoiler-box]




Change, this room is friendship checking, you have to walk through these invisible laser with leader to the goal without separate from any friends.
(just like moatoob 1-UP)

[S4CT4L1TY]

sounds fun ill try a few times :)

[str898mustang]

9 grinds on Soul Eater

http://www.psuxxx.info/uploader/src/up1893.jpg


------------------------

10/10 Prophets

http://www.psuxxx.info/uploader/src/up1890.jpg

[Arika]

Soul eater has reflect damage. don't forget that. it is why it has high atp

[Ruru]

soul eater D: i can just see people killing themselves using that on this game. it would be a funny sight anyway. prophets of motav looks like it synths pretty good from 9 to 10.

but really though you guys are all grinding pretty high there @.@ all these 9/10s 10/10s i'm seeing. is this from spending GC or just plain luck? i can never get my grinds that high ever lol. my highest A rank was 9/9 and highest S rank is 6/9.

[Deragonite]

1036 TP O_O

That will outdamage TCSM's right?

[Namine]

about 300 more than a Pushan 10/10, but there is still the faster casting speed of TCSMs. It will come down to DPS though.

[biggabertha]

It's likely that that Soul Eater broke though - otherwise there'd be a screenshot of it being 10/10 there instead of 9/10 and partially grinded.

It's gotta be just dumb luck... and a whole bunch of A/S + 10 grinders...

Interesting though, that a Wand/Spell book has that much ridiculous TP in it.. it's almost like a Rod..!

[Namine]

It is 14 star though.

[Arika]

The drop rate of the stuffs is like these..
Rappy feather(many drop per run) -> OpaOpa and Rocket Punch (around 1-2 drop per run)-> Mechgun and wand (drop 1 for every 3-4 runs) but I get no luck with the book so far. -> Soul eater and Dagger ( drop 1 for every 5-8 runs)


All are just estimate from what I asked combine. but it is not confirm.

[Inazuma]

The drop rate of the stuffs is like these..
Rappy feather(many drop per run) -> OpaOpa and Rocket Punch (around 1-2 drop per run)-> Mechgun and wand (drop 1 for every 3-4 runs) but I get no luck with the book so far. -> Soul eater and Dagger ( drop 1 for every 5-8 runs)


All are just estimate from what I asked combine. but it is not confirm.

If this is true, it would literally cost me $400 or more to get five of these wands at +10 grind. What a load of bullshit.

[bignic623]

New mission cool, now i gotta pay 4 more not cool. Not here 2 be a downer but at least for jp servers they get what they want so they should pay, but as far as us server we shouldn't have to, cause we waited along time 4 psu to get better especially last summer with no updates and we pay $10 already a month, well maybe sum ppl have the money and means 2 pay but I for 1 do not, so I cant see myself paying 4 a mission and have a chance not 2 get good rare drops

[pinkace]

I was just checking out the poll they have going on the official website about this and its really interesting. The community there is really torn up ten ways about it. I realize that's just there but its still a microcosm of the overall community.

[Inazuma]

I was just checking out the poll they have going on the official website about this and its really interesting. The community there is really torn up ten ways about it. I realize that's just there but its still a microcosm of the overall community.

Can you post a link to the poll please?

[pinkace]

http://forums.sega.com/showthread.php?t=282335

[goldbrease]

ow, i voted on that, i like the idea but its expensive!
i thought this was from the jp forums lol.

[ErtaiClou]

I get the feeling they wouldn't pump out new GC missions even if it were that much of a success.

[xBULLYDOGG]

It kind of sounds like,
We pay to gain access to Online
We pay some more to gain access to stuff we already paid for.
The GC will be running out quickly with alot of gamers on PSU it's gonna be more expensive than our accounts.

[Inazuma]

http://forums.sega.com/showthread.php?t=282335

Oh, I thought you were talking about the JP site. I already voted "I'll quit when it comes out" on this poll.

[jmm22msu]

sega should give us Gamer Cash Credit for the 10 dollar a month fee and if people want to pay more to run the mission more thats ok with me.

I believe sega should give us 10 dollars of GC credit for the monthly fee we pay. If people want to play the mission more they can pay extra.

[That Guy]

This is a terrible idea. You have to pay to unlock content that is already on your computer. You won't have access to weapons that we should already have. I don't see any reason at all for content like this in any game. I don't support downloadable content, I don't support cash-shops in games that have them and I WILL NOT support this crap in a game that I already pay for. You should never have to pay for "exclusive content", and anyone who even says "Oh, well I'll only try it once or twice..." well I have some news for you. You are the problem. You are the ones that give these companies the idea that this is ok. Even if it is once or twice, or once in awhile, you are still telling them that there is a market for this. If you DON'T pay for it, if you totally ignore it, it will send a message to them that there is no market for this micro-transaction crap and it will stop. But no, you're going to try these missions, they are going to think "Oh, we can make money off this!" and pretty soon anything good left in this game will require you to pay for it.

Let me break it down further: imagine every time you ran White Beast, they charged you $1. Is that ok? NO! But if you pay for these GC credit missions, you are TELLING THEM THAT IT IS. So knock it off.

[Arika]

This is a terrible idea. You have to pay to unlock content that is already on your computer.


GC content is not in your disk.

[Inazuma]

This is a terrible idea. You have to pay to unlock content that is already on your computer. You won't have access to weapons that we should already have. I don't see any reason at all for content like this in any game. I don't support downloadable content, I don't support cash-shops in games that have them and I WILL NOT support this crap in a game that I already pay for. You should never have to pay for "exclusive content", and anyone who even says "Oh, well I'll only try it once or twice..." well I have some news for you. You are the problem. You are the ones that give these companies the idea that this is ok. Even if it is once or twice, or once in awhile, you are still telling them that there is a market for this. If you DON'T pay for it, if you totally ignore it, it will send a message to them that there is no market for this micro-transaction crap and it will stop. But no, you're going to try these missions, they are going to think "Oh, we can make money off this!" and pretty soon anything good left in this game will require you to pay for it.

Let me break it down further: imagine every time you ran White Beast, they charged you $1. Is that ok? NO! But if you pay for these GC credit missions, you are TELLING THEM THAT IT IS. So knock it off.

I love this post. It's so nice to see that someone else truly understands what's going on. Unfortunately, people like us are rare in this world. There are way too many idiots out there who support shit like this, and that's why companies continue to do it. They know the average consumer is a total moron who lacks the ability to think and use logic. However, I'm not saying we should give up. The only way we are going to stop cash shops and overpriced DLC is by making the morons understand that not supporting them will cause them to go away.

[redroses]

I really really hate this GC.
Maybe the content isn't on the disc yet, but for what are we paying the 10$ a month? We should be getting this content for the money we are paying and have been paying all this time! I can't understand why you people are supporting this. You should show SEGA that this is a horrible idea and won't make their playerbase bigger, no even worse, they are driving them away.
PSU is not a free to play game that needs cash shops to update servers, stay alive etc. We are already paying for that. Why should I give SEGA even more money if they stop giving us more content because the GC content is more important (as so many are using it, of course it will the priority for SEGA as it is extra cash)!
And not only that, but the GC items are exclusive to GC payers and that's not fair. We all should have the right for these items, not just people that are to stupid to use GC. We should have just as much right for these items after paying so long for PSU. SEGA is slapping everyone in the face with this GC bullshit and it makes me go crazy and sick seeing so many of you supporting this dirt and encouraging SEGA to drop the players that have been with them so long, for players who love throwing money out of the window.

[Ezodagrom]

In my opinion, even though I'm opposed to the idea of paying more money for PSU, GC would be kinda ok if it was things like changing the element of an weapon or line shield, increasing the element % by a limited amount, or even recovering the max grinds of a broken weapon back to 10 (for example, changing a 5/5 weapon to 5/10). Even missions with an increased drop rate and increased exp would be ok, if everything that dropped in the mission was already available in free missions.
But exclusive weapons and clothes...? Horrible idea.

[Inazuma]

In my opinion, even though I'm opposed to the idea of paying more money for PSU, GC would be kinda ok if it was things like changing the element of an weapon or line shield, increasing the element % by a limited amount, or even recovering the max grinds of a broken weapon back to 10 (for example, changing a 5/5 weapon to 5/10). Even missions with an increased drop rate and increased exp would be ok, if everything that dropped in the mission was already available in free missions.
But exclusive weapons and clothes...? Horrible idea.

Which would you rather use to change elements and repair broken weapons? In-game meseta or real life money?

[Ezodagrom]

I meant using guardian cash for those things (real money).
Heh...anyone that would want to waste money on that type of things, it would be their loss...I definitely wouldn't waste money on that, I'm happy with 20+% or ungrinded weapons.
(I won't even try the cash missions, unless someone pays for me)

[OneandtheSame]

I really really hate this GC.
Maybe the content isn't on the disc yet, but for what are we paying the 10$ a month? We should be getting this content for the money we are paying and have been paying all this time! I can't understand why you people are supporting this. You should show SEGA that this is a horrible idea and won't make their playerbase bigger, no even worse, they are driving them away.
PSU is not a free to play game that needs cash shops to update servers, stay alive etc. We are already paying for that. Why should I give SEGA even more money if they stop giving us more content because the GC content is more important (as so many are using it, of course it will the priority for SEGA as it is extra cash)!
And not only that, but the GC items are exclusive to GC payers and that's not fair. We all should have the right for these items, not just people that are to stupid to use GC. We should have just as much right for these items after paying so long for PSU. SEGA is slapping everyone in the face with this GC bullshit and it makes me go crazy and sick seeing so many of you supporting this dirt and encouraging SEGA to drop the players that have been with them so long, for players who love throwing money out of the window.

I absolutely agree with you. When I first heard about this, by first reaction was disbelief (real disbelief. Like I thought it was a joke). I've never heard of a P2P game that has what amounts to a cash shop.

A plethora of lousy Korean MMO's can get away with it because they are "free to play". This however, is indefensible. We all pay for the same PSU experience- The idea that somebody can pay real money to get ahead is really disgusting.

Also, I suppose I should reintroduce myself. When PSU came out, my PSO addiction was running it's course so... Better late than never, I guess. ^.^;

[FOnewearl-Lina]

Which would you rather use to change elements and repair broken weapons? In-game meseta or real life money?
Real Monay of course!

[Volcompat321]

You know, with the EU/US players, I'm starting to think SEGA really hates people not Japanese. At first, and for a long time, I really supported SEGA. I love them still, for now. It seems the GC has more priority over giving us rewards from an event already LATE to begin with. I thought they were trying to redeem themselves to us by doing the events so close and whatnot, then giving us the rewards right on schedule, 2-4 weeks after events end. I'm really disappointed in SEGA with this. At first I said I would try the GC thing, now I wont out of spite. It pisses me off. I still will never quit PSU, since it was the first and only MMO RPG I've ever played, and put so damn much time into (2 and a half years). I will continue to pay my $9.99 a month til they shut the servers down. (which seems it will be coming soon, with all the players hate) (not really, I know it still has time, but people are pissed more so than I) anyway, good luck to all the people paying for the GC, have fun, tell me what it's like. SEGA, you piss me off, good luck, I hope your babies come out with round eyes. (maybe a little too much, but they deserve that)

[PepperCat]

LOL@Round-eyes comment... (They might actually prefer that.)

[Volcompat321]

LOL@Round-eyes comment... (They might actually prefer that.)

Well, maybe I hope they don't get round eyes then. Seriously, they hate us, there is no other excuse I see.

[PepperCat]

Japanese are typically Xenophobic... it explains everything.

Honestly at this point, if we actually got what they tell us we will be getting, I will be surprised.

[Volcompat321]

What would that be? The rewards?
If they are xenophobic, maybe they shouldn't import their pay to play games?

[PepperCat]

With the xenophobic-ness, we'd be lucky to get those missions at all, GC or not.

[Ruru]

Japanese are typically Xenophobic... it explains everything.



while i agree that Sega seems to not care about NA/EU side of their customer base. can we leave race out of this? i dont like to be told i'm xenophobic by someone who doesnt know me, and labels me and my entire culture/ethnicity off something they obviously dont know much about.

[Ecchi]

I dun even know wut Xenophobic means D:<

[Tetsaru]

I dun even know wut Xenophobic means D:<

Fear of a particular race of people, etc.

But yeah, I just hate to see Sega always continuously ruining series that were so awesome back in the day. I GREW UP as a gamer playing stuff like Sonic the Hedgehog, and later on, PSO with my friends, and now... it's like they're PURPOSELY trying to fuck up things... ;_; I mean, just a few hours ago, my friend and I were wondering how they'd fuck up the next Sonic game: Sonic Cooking (make chili dogs for everyone!), Sonic Boxing (oh, well Knuckles would automatically be a broken character....), Sonic the Dating Sim (don't go out with Amy - you know Tails loves you too! Of course, watch out for Rouge, she's a whore...). It's almost gotten THAT BAD. =/

I hate to say it, but if this keeps up and starts to hit stateside, I may just jump ship to FFXIV when it comes out or something, and stick with a much more respectable gaming company like I probably should've done years ago... I just REALLY hate seeing my childhood memories as a gamer being buttseck'd by stupid shit like this. ;_;

[biggabertha]

I'm starting to lose lots of faith in SQUARE-ENIX. They seem to do nothing but sequels and fan-boy/girl requests.

FFX-2, FFVII Crisis Core, FFVII Advent Children, FFVII Dirge of Cerberus, FFIV DS, FF III DS, FFXII Revenant Wings...

Kingdom Hearts 2 Final Mix, Kingdom Hearts Re: Cahin of Memories, Kingdom Hearts Final Mix, Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days, New Kingdom Hearts PSP

I suppose it goes to show that lots of people were just expecting a PSO 2 instead of PSU.


Xenophobia is fear of people or an intense or irrational dislike of people. THemselves or otherwise.

It's not a racial trait.

[Alecc]

Seriously. Why would we care about the cash thing? It's not like we'll be getting it within the next year or so. I honestly think it will take another 1.5 year for us to get it.
IF we are still getting new content by then.
The situation looks very bad.
Sad.
But true. :(

[Miyoko]

Fear of a particular race of people, etc.

But yeah, I just hate to see Sega always continuously ruining series that were so awesome back in the day. I GREW UP as a gamer playing stuff like Sonic the Hedgehog, and later on, PSO with my friends, and now... it's like they're PURPOSELY trying to fuck up things... ;_; I mean, just a few hours ago, my friend and I were wondering how they'd fuck up the next Sonic game: Sonic Cooking (make chili dogs for everyone!), Sonic Boxing (oh, well Knuckles would automatically be a broken character....), Sonic the Dating Sim (don't go out with Amy - you know Tails loves you too! Of course, watch out for Rouge, she's a whore...). It's almost gotten THAT BAD. =/

I hate to say it, but if this keeps up and starts to hit stateside, I may just jump ship to FFXIV when it comes out or something, and stick with a much more respectable gaming company like I probably should've done years ago... I just REALLY hate seeing my childhood memories as a gamer being buttseck'd by stupid shit like this. ;_;

You think Square-Enix is respectable? lolwut?

[Oniyoru]

Well hope it dun get as paid missions here
C'mon...we already pay to play the game y pay more to have acess to the rest of game?
The good part of pay to play game is it...everyone have the same chances turning it as close as u can to a real RPG, doing that ur screwing that -_-
Plus outside Europe n US its may not always be cheap to play PSU >.>'''

But of course, updates, new missions...r always welcome...the game need always to have sommething new to dun get boring
N I understand their $$$ side, how I do understand o.o'
----------------
Well I agree with the PSO 2 o.o I came to PSU expecting that =p
The more they bring to PSU from PSO the better...of course without downgrading the gameplay to PSO style o.o'
Dark Falz from PSO was way better than Dark Fakis >.>
I miss Cave Dragon "killin unaware player while dying" atk ._. (De Ragan could learn from that)
N Volp...man that Machine Boss rox o.o
N some wep I wanted started to show up on that JP mega-update XD like the Elec Distortion (Crazy Tune on PSO)
They could make some extra units with old MAGs looks (Apsaras anyone? i.i)
>.> n I miss Grants as well <.<

[autumn]

No more PSO in PSU pl0x.

[tirith]

i absolutely refuse to pay any RL cash for any digital items of any game i'm playing bei ti pay to play or not.
so i'll be passing on anything GC might be involved with, if it turns out i can no longer enjoy psu <i seriously doubt this to be the case> then i will simply stop subing, but only time will tell.

[AlphaDragoon]

Haha, Segac has lost their minds.

I'll pass on paying stupidly expensive fees to run a mission once that they should have added for free.

[HyperShot-X-]

On topic:
Expecting to get GC exclusive contents for free is like asking to get the next expansion or add-on exclusive contents for free.

I really don't see the difference between paying for AOtI on top of monthly fee(when everyone did) and paying for GC exclusive contents, they are pretty much the same thing. People should realize that they are flipping out for nothing.

[Ruru]

On topic:
Expecting to get GC exclusive contents for free is like asking to get the next expansion or add-on exclusive contents for free.

I really don't see the difference between paying for AOtI on top of monthly fee(when everyone did) and paying for GC exclusive contents, they are pretty much the same thing. People should realize that they are flipping out for nothing.

well the point thats missing in this, is that GC is not a one time deal. you will NOT get all the gear you want from one run of a GC mission you have to continually pay until you get it. which if you do it enough can cost you WELL over the price for an expansion. an expansion is a one time deal that you pay for and never have to worry about again. it's called a cash shop for a reason.

[HyperShot-X-]

there are plenty of stuff I haven't got and probably never will off of AOtI content that I paid for one time deal since release, yet you only need to pay for so many GC runs depending on what you want to get out of GC content, that's what the cash shop is for: giving option to users to control their own spending. Not so much different.

[biggabertha]

Mmmmhmm....

And what happens if you get REALLY unlucky and don't get what you want after 10+ runs..?

I agree though, there are good points and bad points to this. With any luck, the good points will outshine the bad points.


I understand perfectly well the point and the cause you're trying to make, Inazuma but it's like vegetarians. Just because there's a handful of people in the world that's protesting against it, it's not going to make a difference because there will be people wanting to "try it out just once or twice" that makes it viable for them.

Your campaign (and everyone else with this mindset) against it is really admirable - but it's a lost cause.

On the other hand, it is a brilliant method of business IF the rewards are good enough. Plenty of people in the world are rich enough to be spending their not-so-hard-earned-cash on these missions and effects.


It will be very difficult to exclude people that have tried the mission or have made money by selling these items and buying other equipment from it. Much like the PSO days of hacked weaponry - will you turn on someone that you've been playing with as soon as they use a different weapon that's gotten from these events..? (Yeah, okay, so you have that notice in your comment box...)

[Ezodagrom]

An expansion would have been alot better than this guardian cash thing. >.>;
In my opinion, they should have made an expansion, and after it having real content patches.
Guardian Cash would have been ok if it didn't have exclusive items or missions though.

[That Guy]

Aww, did I hurt the poor babies sensitive ego? You do realize I said that companies already think this is a good idea thanks to downloadable content, and that I am saying that the only way to stop it is if everyone stops. Its not going to happen, but hey, thats because people like you are dumb enough to keep doing it. And you're right, this isn't Tienanmen Square. There isn't anyone forcing you to do these stupid things, and there are not tanks waiting to run me over.

[Waki Miko Syamemaru!]

As I read more and more into this thread, I understand how the majority feels. It sucks, yea, that we gotta pay for exclusive content on a P2P game. You know what I think? I think we should send an italian guy, preferably from Brooklyn, over to Sega HQ in Tokyo. There he would find the people who thought it was a good idea to do this and smack em upside the head. Then he'd say something witty and we'd all go home happy. Will it stop the whole "Pay to participate in content we shoulda got for free"? Not really. But it'll satisfy everyone's burning desire for physical harm.

[beatrixkiddo]

Just don't let him equip Force-A-Nature or the guy'll fly out the window.

*wearing the scout shirt* :3


Anyway I don't see the fuss over GC. I spent 10 bucks, got 2 hours of playtime out of it, got the only item I really cared about (Motav), and got several of the others. Good enough for me. None of these items are anything close to essential; if you want them so badly just pay!

[Ruru]

there are plenty of stuff I haven't got and probably never will off of AOtI content that I paid for one time deal since release, yet you only need to pay for so many GC runs depending on what you want to get out of GC content, that's what the cash shop is for: giving option to users to control their own spending. Not so much different.


the plenty of stuff that you havent gotten is still their readily available for you to get. that is the point you are missing. you already paid for the content now you just have to go and find it yourself. in a GC mission you have to pay for the potential to get something. if you do not get what you want you have just wasted your money for that run. and have to pay again and again until you get said item/s. you are clearly missing the point in this whole thing. we have paid for AotI and everything that is readily available to us is also available to everyone else. whether you get all the stuff you can or not is entirely up to your luck and perseverance. with a GC mission you can continually pay and if you have no luck or whatever drops keeps going to the other person in your party, you my friend are wasting more and more money each time you play that mission. if you do any one mission 30 times you have already paid as much or more (depending on where you bought it) than the AotI expansion disc.

[Tetsaru]

As I read more and more into this thread, I understand how the majority feels. It sucks, yea, that we gotta pay for exclusive content on a P2P game. You know what I think? I think we should send an italian guy, preferably from Brooklyn, over to Sega HQ in Tokyo. There he would find the people who thought it was a good idea to do this and smack em upside the head. Then he'd say something witty and we'd all go home happy. Will it stop the whole "Pay to participate in content we shoulda got for free"? Not really. But it'll satisfy everyone's burning desire for physical harm.


How about this guy?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eaE-_GDbmQ&feature=fvst

;p

You have no idea how long I've wanted something like this to happen to all the dumbfucks at Segac. Given the chance, I'd be VERY tempted to do it myself... >_<X

Your last few consoles failed, you stopped making them, you went FUCKING BANKRUPT, you got bought out by FUCKING SAMMY, no one likes what you've done to Sonic lately, and the guy that created him LEFT YOUR COMPANY TO DO HIS OWN THING... WHAT MORE HINTS DO YOU NEED!? I honestly don't see Sega or Sonic Team having a future if they continue to churn out shit like this. If this is their idea of "good games," then they need to keep all their shit in Japan instead of plaguing the rest of the world with it, and just let their once-good series' die instead of continuing to mutilate them...

*sniff* Poor Sonic, your games used to be so awesome back in the day... ;_;

[HyperShot-X-]

the plenty of stuff that you havent gotten is still their readily available for you to get. that is the point you are missing. you already paid for the GC content now you just have to go and find it yourself. in a AOtI mission you have to pay for the potential to get something. if you do not get what you want you have just wasted your time for that run. and have to run again and again until you get said item/s. you are clearly missing the point in this whole thing. we have paid for GC and everything that is readily available to us is also available to everyone else who paid. whether you get all the stuff you can or not is entirely up to your luck and perseverance. with a AOtI mission you can continually run and if you have no luck or whatever drops keeps going to the other person in your party, you my friend are wasting more and more time each time you play that mission. if you do any one mission 30 times you have already wasted as much or more (depending on where you bought it) than the GC exclusive mission .
*Time = Money, sounds about right :)

[RemiusTA]

On topic:
Expecting to get GC exclusive contents for free is like asking to get the next expansion or add-on exclusive contents for free.

I really don't see the difference between paying for AOtI on top of monthly fee(when everyone did) and paying for GC exclusive contents, they are pretty much the same thing. People should realize that they are flipping out for nothing.

First off, AotI was an expansion. GC exclusive content is pissing people off because the principle of the matter is that we're already paying a $10 month SUBSCRIPTION to play this fucker online, but they think its a "smart idea" to make us pay further for "EXCLUSIVE CONTENT!!!!!1" after we've already subscribed to the game for that very fucking reason. Not to mention, PSU is already on thin ice. The content it has is already running thin as hell. The fact they're trying to get us to PAY to release the content we've already fucking paid for is just horrible customer service.

An EXPANSION or DLC for $5 is completely different than "Hay lul pay me $5 to get rarz ok". If Sonic Team releases an Expansion, then thats content that will greatly enhance gameplay experience for its subscribing members, and we all pay for that to keep up with the large-scale changes to the game. That means it is optional, but people will gladly pay anyway. If Sonic Team releases DLC, then thats usually them adding on content, usually a couple of maps, clothing textures, weapon models, enemy AI, ect ect that will allow them not only to increase what we're playing already but give them more tools to continue to add content to the game via mission variations. Once again optional, but people will gladly pay anyway. GC Cash should have simply been a DLC (on PC, simply a downloadable patch) that costs money to aquire, that simply allows you to aquire the newer more rare drops in circulation, + a couple of missions to play at leisure. Not a couple of missions you have to constantly pay for for the chance of getting weapons they gave us.

We dont play P2P games to be denied content even after we pay the mother fucking subscription.


....you got bought out by FUCKING SAMMY...As funny as that is, at least the last time i saw Sammy's name on something, it was a great game. Guilty Gear XX#R if im correct. Sonic Unleashed would have been great if Sonic Team didn't just suck at making games now.

"OH YAY LETS HAVE THIS GREAT CONCEPT AND COMPLETELY RUIN IT WITH ANOTHER CONCEPT NOBODY ASKED FOR WANTS OR WAS LOOKING FOR OH YEAH LETS ALSO MAKE YOU PLAY THE SAME STAGE 9 TIMES OVER TO UNLOCK THE NEXT STAGE AND OH YEAH DONT FORGET WE HAVE TO MAKE THE CONTENT NOBODY ASKED FOR 80% OF THE GAME OH YEAH WE HIT IT BIG THEY'LL LOVE IT THIS TIME RITE "

Sega is full of fucking retards. Just cant get anything 100% right to save their lives.

Sonic Heroes - only fun for Team Sonic and Team Dark, after that you just quit
Shadow the Hedgehog - Only fun up until the end of the opening cinematic
Sonic the Hedgehog 360/PS3 - About the 2006 equivilent of fucking Superman 64
Sonic Unleashed - Great if you're playing as Sonic, sadly you only are playing a SONIC game for 1/8th the whole game experience. After that its the ugly fucker with stretchy arms who wants to be Kratos.
Phantasy Star Universe - Fun until you realize Sonic Team was too lazy to give the missions any real structure, so you really never feel like you accomplish anything.

[Ceresa]

So much righteous indignation from people who are totally and utterly clueless. And some of the answers can be found earlier in this very thread...


the plenty of stuff that you havent gotten is still their readily available for you to get. that is the point you are missing. you already paid for the content now you just have to go and find it yourself. in a GC mission you have to pay for the potential to get something. if you do not get what you want you have just wasted your money for that run. and have to pay again and again until you get said item/s. you are clearly missing the point in this whole thing. we have paid for AotI and everything that is readily available to us is also available to everyone else. whether you get all the stuff you can or not is entirely up to your luck and perseverance. with a GC mission you can continually pay and if you have no luck or whatever drops keeps going to the other person in your party, you my friend are wasting more and more money each time you play that mission. if you do any one mission 30 times you have already paid as much or more (depending on where you bought it) than the AotI expansion disc.

You can get all 7 GC rares for 10$ with just a bit of luck. Typically there's 2-4 rare drops per run not counting the Rappy Fan. Plus photon drops to exchange for other items. If you have any social skills whatsoever you can split the mission cost with someone that wants a different rare then you and put it on give finder so you both get multiples of the rares you want. All of this notwithstanding the items are about as gamechanging as a Mikunas Set.


First off, AotI was an expansion. GC exclusive content is pissing people off because the principle of the matter is that we're already paying a $10 month SUBSCRIPTION to play this fucker online, but they think its a "smart idea" to make us pay further for "EXCLUSIVE CONTENT!!!!!1" after we've already subscribed to the game for that very fucking reason. Not to mention, PSU is already on thin ice. The content it has is already running thin as hell. The fact they're trying to get us to PAY to release the content we've already fucking paid for is just horrible customer service.

An EXPANSION or DLC for $5 is completely different than "Hay lul pay me $5 to get rarz ok". If Sonic Team releases an Expansion, then thats content that will greatly enhance gameplay experience for its subscribing members, and we all pay for that to keep up with the large-scale changes to the game. That means it is optional, but people will gladly pay anyway. If Sonic Team releases DLC, then thats usually them adding on content, usually a couple of maps, clothing textures, weapon models, enemy AI, ect ect that will allow them not only to increase what we're playing already but give them more tools to continue to add content to the game via mission variations. Once again optional, but people will gladly pay anyway. GC Cash should have simply been a DLC (on PC, simply a downloadable patch) that costs money to aquire, that simply allows you to aquire the newer more rare drops in circulation, + a couple of missions to play at leisure. Not a couple of missions you have to constantly pay for for the chance of getting weapons they gave us.

We dont play P2P games to be denied content even after we pay the mother fucking subscription.


Good thing the 160 PSP weapons they just added weren't on the AoI disc huh, and oh look, of the 43 known so far, only 7 are from GC...

[RemiusTA]

So much righteous indignation from people who are totally and utterly clueless. And some of the answers can be found earlier in this very thread...



You can get all 7 GC rares for 10$ with just a bit of luck. Typically there's 2-4 rare drops per run not counting the Rappy Fan. Plus photon drops to exchange for other items. If you have any social skills whatsoever you can split the mission cost with someone that wants a different rare then you and put it on give finder so you both get multiples of the rares you want. All of this notwithstanding the items are about as gamechanging as a Mikunas Set.



Good thing the 160 PSP weapons they just added weren't on the AoI disc huh, and oh look, of the 43 known so far, only 7 are from GC...

OH HEY LETS HAVE SOCIAL SKILLS AND BE SMART AND PAY DOUBLE SUBSCRIPTION THIS MONTH MAYBE $5 MORE IF WE ARENT LUCKY TO GET NON GAME CHANGING WEAPONS FACK WE'RE SMART DONT WORRY ILL COVER THIS RUN YOU CAN COVER THE NEXT OK

Yeah you go boi


And oh hey, look, 160 more weapons! Split over twenty-seven different weapon types! So hay, me being a Force type, out of the GRAND TOTAL OF 43 we already know im lucky if i can find 1 of them I can actually use ever. And im REALLY lucky if its even worth using. That 160 weapon addition would be great if most of them were all added at once, maybe leaving out one or two of the 5/6 that would belong to each weapon type for rarity reasons. But sadly you can expect that "7" to grow in proportion.

But hay be happy when it comes out you and your smart buddies can cover the cost together

[beatrixkiddo]

You don't have to make one person cover, the game lets you split up the cost of a mission.

[RemiusTA]

You don't have to make one person cover, the game lets you split up the cost of a mission.

Satire, Beatrix. The fact you have to pay past your subscription multiple times anyway is retarded, no matter the grade of rare you're getting. If you had to pay once to AQUIRE the mission, then it would be a different situation. No, you have to pay to play the mission, which *GASP* we already do for the rest of the game.

[The_Brimada]

Just a note to any US only players. Don't bitch about the price because we don't even know if we actually will receive this yet, and if we even do we have no clue if the price will turn out to be the same. As for the importers out there, continue with your complaints. :)

[Ethateral]

Just a note to any US only players. Don't bitch about the price because we don't even know if we actually will receive this yet, and if we even do. We have no clue if the price will turn out to be the same. As for the importers out there, continue with your complaints. :)
I'd only be afraid, if it DID come here, that the price rose. >_> Then I'd REALLY not even pay a little bit to try it. (The clothing.. Omg. I want it bad. :/ )

[unicorn]

PSU really isn't worth paying extra for. Sega is making PSU more important than it really is with this whole GC thing. A game like FFXI, WoW, Guild Wars, etc can get away with pulling something like this, but PSU?

Is ST dumb or something? Don't they realize less and less players are playing this game, and they're going to make you pay more? It would be a smart idea if we weren't paying $10 a month for this. And if you're like me, I've never canceled my account, so thats $120 a year ST is getting from me.

[HyperShot-X-]

DLC is not a possibility on ps2 with no hd support, and they risk ps2 users quitting overnite if DLC is released on pc exclusive only. This GC system along with the Supplemental update(at no charge) was the best solution they came up with to effectively phase out ps2 support slowly and eventually. Take some chill pills and think it over, you should.

[Inazuma]

So much righteous indignation from people who are totally and utterly clueless. And some of the answers can be found earlier in this very thread...



You can get all 7 GC rares for 10$ with just a bit of luck. Typically there's 2-4 rare drops per run not counting the Rappy Fan. Plus photon drops to exchange for other items. If you have any social skills whatsoever you can split the mission cost with someone that wants a different rare then you and put it on give finder so you both get multiples of the rares you want. All of this notwithstanding the items are about as gamechanging as a Mikunas Set.



Good thing the 160 PSP weapons they just added weren't on the AoI disc huh, and oh look, of the 43 known so far, only 7 are from GC...

Sigh. Seeing Ceresa defend GC makes me very very sad...

Just getting the 7 GC rares isn't good enough. You have to get many more if you want to have a chance at grinding them to +10. For someone like me who only played MF, the Motav wand is the only thing that I would need. However, getting five of them at +10 grind would cost me a fucking fortune.

Like others have said, if they had made this a small one time fee, I may have been cool with it, but having to pay high prices for each run completely ruins the game.

I recently canceled both of my accounts so that's $240 per year no longer going to Sonichi. I've been paying them for 2 accounts continuously ever since day one, and this is how they treat my loyalty?

[Shinko]

Is ST dumb or something? Don't they realize less and less players are playing this game, and they're going to make you pay more? It would be a smart idea if we weren't paying $10 a month for this. And if you're like me, I've never canceled my account, so thats $120 a year ST is getting from me.

I don't cancel mine either so they get that same amount out of me too. And now there asking me for more xD




It should just be a new expansion. You paid one time and you get all the goods. (or at least have the chance to always get it) Doing this Cash Shop you gonna pay more. Especially when they start adding more stuff to it. (Or if you just want more of the same item. If you a person that search for a lot of the same rare just to grind them so you can get a 10/10... then its really gonna cost)

However, I never agree with cash shops in MMO. You always end up paying more in a free MMO cash shop than you would in a MMO that cost to play. Yes you don't have to pay but there's so much you cant do it makes you.

I really don't want them to add it for the US/EU side but if they do I'll still be playing PSU unless the 360 side in up dead like the PC/PS2 side after they add it. If that the case I'm gone. That's the reason I left the PC side in the first place.

[Ceresa]

Sigh. Seeing Ceresa defend GC makes me very very sad...

Just getting the 7 GC rares isn't good enough. You have to get many more if you want to have a chance at grinding them to +10. For someone like me who only played MF, the Motav wand is the only thing that I would need. However, getting five of them at +10 grind would cost me a fucking fortune.

Like others have said, if they had made this a small one time fee, I may have been cool with it, but having to pay high prices for each run completely ruins the game.

I recently canceled both of my accounts so that's $240 per year no longer going to Sonichi. I've been paying them for 2 accounts continuously ever since day one, and this is how they treat my loyalty?

I know it's about the principle and all that for your reason to quit but, Motav isn't that expensive. In fact it's cheaper then your 2nd account...

I'm not sure why you even need it at 10, you never bothered with the real Granahodora right? They're just resta sticks afterall, Motav 10/10 isn't strong enough to replace Pushan 10/10. It's also bugged and doesn't let you limit break deega with Pushan so that's 1 less you need unless they fix the bug, if they even know of the bug...

Also I saw 5 drop for 20$, one went to Bea, one went to Lina after we changed it back to random, and 3 went to me. Let's say I could have got 4 from that if it was important enough to me to insist on give finder settings. 5 on average for a 10/10, so you only need 25, bit over 100$. Maybe get an extra five just in case since we have to wait so fucking long for grind boosts. People spend more then that on their hobbies all the time, no big thing. It's not my ideal way of giving ST more money so that this game lives on until PSU2, compared to a one-time fee per mission, or an expansion or a monthly fee price raise, but it's manageable...and optional. And they've given quite a bit of free and genuinely new not on disk content already on top of it.

And I certainly like it more then dropping 70m x 25 on Granahodora Resta Wands. Not that there's even that many on the market since the playerbase doesn't care about them.

Population still holding steady too, so most seem content to either ignore it or run it...

[Inazuma]

I know it's about the principle and all that for your reason to quit but, Motav isn't that expensive. In fact it's cheaper then your 2nd account...

I'm not sure why you even need it at 10, you never bothered with the real Granahodora right? They're just resta sticks afterall, Motav 10/10 isn't strong enough to replace Pushan 10/10. It's also bugged and doesn't let you limit break deega with Pushan so that's 1 less you need unless they fix the bug, if they even know of the bug...

Also I saw 5 drop for 20$, one went to Bea, one went to Lina after we changed it back to random, and 3 went to me. Let's say I could have got 4 from that if it was important enough to me to insist on give finder settings. 5 on average for a 10/10, so you only need 25, bit over 100$. Maybe get an extra five just in case since we have to wait so fucking long for grind boosts. People spend more then that on their hobbies all the time, no big thing. It's not my ideal way of giving ST more money so that this game lives on until PSU2, compared to a one-time fee per mission, or an expansion or a monthly fee price raise, but it's manageable...and optional. And they've given quite a bit of free and genuinely new not on disk content already on top of it.

And I certainly like it more then dropping 70m x 25 on Granahodora Resta Wands. Not that there's even that many on the market since the playerbase doesn't care about them.

Population still holding steady too, so most seem content to either ignore it or run it...

Yes, it's the principal. Regardless of how easy or hard it is to get the items I want, the fact that I have to pay extra for each run is total bullshit.

I am upset about having to quit over this but I don't have a choice. I'm still trying to get on PSO but once I do, I bet it will end up being more fun than PSU. Despite PSU having the better battle system and many extra features, when it comes down to it, PSO is more fun to play and actually has some challenge. PSU started off super fun and exciting but now it's gotten so incredibly mind blowing easy that it's really amazing I've been able to stand it for this long.

[DreXxiN]

Just a note to any US only players. Don't bitch about the price because we don't even know if we actually will receive this yet, and if we even do we have no clue if the price will turn out to be the same. As for the importers out there, continue with your complaints. :)

Yea, agreed. This cash shop is an incredible idea. Just remember, it might not hit us, Just like the last 11 months we lost out on of updates!

I truly want to pay SEGA more for this game, hell, bye bye paycheck! C'mere incompetent services!

[unicorn]

Yea, agreed. This cash shop is an incredible idea. Just remember, it might not hit us, Just like the last 11 months we lost out on of updates!

I truly want to pay SEGA more for this game, hell, bye bye paycheck! C'mere incompetent services!

We all know SEGAC is bad with updates, but we'll get this. Why? Well its a way for them to leech off more money from us.

However, if they do bring this to our servers, it'll probably kill off that last star we have on Universe 2.

[Volcompat321]

We all know SEGAC is bad with updates, but we'll get this. Why? Well its a way for them to leech off more money from us.

However, if they do bring this to our servers, it'll probably kill off that last star we have on Universe 2.

Lies. No matter how slow they will be on updates or fail to raise level cap or anything horrible, I will always be subscribed! There will be at least 1 person playing PSU forever! (til they shut it down that is)

[Tetsaru]

Lies. No matter how slow they will be on updates or fail to raise level cap or anything horrible, I will always be subscribed! There will be at least 1 person playing PSU forever! (til they shut it down that is)

I dunno man... If I were the last person on the servers (and I'm pretty sure I would've quit before that happened, given the way things have been going), I'd just tell Segac "fuck you" for ruining the games I loved, move on to another game, and never look back on their horrible reputation until they learn to do things RIGHT. No point in playing online if you've got no one to play WITH, imo, anyway... =/ The worlds of FFXI and FFXIV sure do look enticing latley...