The Four Guardians

[FOnewearl-Lina]

Genfuu was released with the latest JP update which now completes the set of four divinities:

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y274/FoLina/PSU/Shijin/Seiryuu.jpg
Aoryuu(Seiryuu) - Azure Dragon (Sealed)

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y274/FoLina/PSU/Shijin/Suzaku.jpg
Shuuzaku(Suzaku) - Vermillion Bird

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y274/FoLina/PSU/Shijin/Byakko.jpg
Hakutoura(Byakko) - White Tiger (Sealed)

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y274/FoLina/PSU/Shijin/Genbu.jpg
Genfuu(Genbu) - Black Tortoise

Once you unseal all 4 swords with dragon scales you can then trade them in for the S rank armor Shijin(4 Gods)...
Seriously think they could have come up with a fancier name such as "Armor of the 4 Gods" or "4 God Barrier"?

Also, the newly released S rank head unit symbolises the void element of the yellow dragon:
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y274/FoLina/PSU/Shijin/HuangLong.jpg
Ouryuu - Yellow Dragon

The swords are bastardized versions of god names, but that might get totally lost in translation if they ever make it to US side. Just a bit of useless trivia on the origin of these weapon names.
There's also 6 elements in PSU, so where are the extra 2 swords?

And then there's Shen Long, who you must beat to stand a chance:
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y274/FoLina/PSU/Shijin/EGM_shen_long.jpg

Furthur Reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Symbols_%28Chinese_constellation%29

[LanCow13]

That's nice any details on armor stats or what class is able to wear it

[Keilyn]

Thank you.

Its true a lot gets lost in translation and I still wonder how swords and blades can represent the power of gods or deities. :P Thank you for the screenshots.

[garjian]

its just a shame theyre swords...

are swords much improved in the supplimental update?

[Chibi_psu]

And then there's Shen Long, who you must beat to stand a chance:
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y274/FoLina/PSU/Shijin/EGM_shen_long.jpg


i loled.

[Neith]

'Unseal'? D: How do you go about collecting scales?

At any rate, it's a nice idea. What are the stats on the armour?

[Ffuzzy-Logik]

1000 AMP. (http://psupedia.info/Security_Dept._Exchange)

http://psupedia.info/Shijin

Stats:
Def: 291
Eva: 258
Ment: 270
End: 0
Slots: All

[EspioKaos]

How do you go about collecting scales?
Aside from being able to buy them for 1000 AMP each (as Ffuzzy posted), they also have a chance of dropping from the boxes at the end of The Protectors ε S3. Despite the number of times I've run that mission however, I have yet to see a single one. D:

[LP_Phoenix]

this armor is freaking awesome to get....first u need to get all the 4 swords...then the dragon scale for 1000 amp each....to unseal them and then u can trade them....to give up such nice swords with effects (unsealed ones), is a joke....espacially...any news or info about element % ? im thinking of, give up good sword % and then u get low % armor or even neutral one.

[NDW]

Has a low chance of nullifying damage.

When this comes out, my Acrofighter will have a new line shield.

[DPShiro]

When this comes out, my Acrofighter will have a new line shield.

Can't wait to see how this nullifies-damage-thingy turns out. Sounds kinda broken :)

[Tetsaru]

Hmmmmm...

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Seiryu
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Genbu
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Byakko
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Suzaku
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Ouryu

[Ruru]

Hmmmmm...

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Seiryu
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Genbu
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Byakko
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Suzaku
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Ouryu


you do realize that these are mythical gods and not copyright characters of FFXI dont you?

[Tetsaru]

you do realize that these are mythical gods and not copyright characters of FFXI dont you?

Yes, I'm well aware of that - a god for each cardinal direction and the element associated with it - very common in Chinese/Japanese/Korean folklore. I'm just merely pointing out that it's been done before... not just in video games, but anime as well. If you scroll down to the bottom of any of those pages I linked, there's even some background info on these guys.

I was also about to ask about how one would go about getting these swords, but then I found this article (http://psupedia.info/RSD_Special_Exchange) on PSUpedia about them. Having to collect all 4 swords and turn them in for the armor sounds like something decently challenging for once, but actually FIGHTING the four gods themselves just seems a lot more fun and rewarding to me... no offense. =x

[Powder Keg]

Having to collect all 4 swords and turn them in for the armor sounds like something decently challenging for once, but actually FIGHTING the four gods themselves just seems a lot more fun and rewarding to me... no offense. =x

Why...so we can complain that they're easy reskins?

[Tetsaru]

Why...so we can complain that they're easy reskins?

Lol, knowing Sonic Team, I'd expect them to stoop that low... the dragon would be easy to do, but a tiger, a turtle, and a bird?? Not sure what models they'd use for that...

But really, I was referring back to FF11. =x I haven't gotten that far into the game yet, but I've heard that there are some parties/linkshells that can school the hell out of these guys much like the bosses here on PSU... @_@

I'm just a firm believer in that, when trying to earn some of the best items a game has to offer, you should have to bust your ass for them, in one way or another. Granted, I don't know how the trade-in items for the swords are obtained, but I'm pretty damn sure it would involve the same old method of spamming missions and zerging enemies until they drop... either that, or maybe they'd be distributed at the end of a mission like PA Fragments or something. Regardless, it just promotes more rushing through the missions as fast as possible, and I just hated that, personally... it just becomes more of a matter of keeping your patience and sanity rather than giving you and your party's best efforts towards a big challenge in which you barely escape alive, or utilize any actual skill. RPG's should give you the freedom to explore vast areas filled with secrets and hidden dangers, not throw extremely linear and predictable areas at you...

[Tyreek]

Lol, knowing Sonic Team, I'd expect them to stoop that low... the dragon would be easy to do, but a tiger, a turtle, and a bird?? Not sure what models they'd use for that...

But really, I was referring back to FF11. =x I haven't gotten that far into the game yet, but I've heard that there are some parties/linkshells that can school the hell out of these guys much like the bosses here on PSU... @_@

I'm just a firm believer in that, when trying to earn some of the best items a game has to offer, you should have to bust your ass for them, in one way or another. Granted, I don't know how the trade-in items for the swords are obtained, but I'm pretty damn sure it would involve the same old method of spamming missions and zerging enemies until they drop... either that, or maybe they'd be distributed at the end of a mission like PA Fragments or something. Regardless, it just promotes more rushing through the missions as fast as possible, and I just hated that, personally... it just becomes more of a matter of keeping your patience and sanity rather than giving you and your party's best efforts towards a big challenge in which you barely escape alive, or utilize any actual skill. RPG's should give you the freedom to explore vast areas filled with secrets and hidden dangers, not throw extremely linear and predictable areas at you...

I was gonna hold my statement, but I might as well say it. It's Sonic Team Tetsaru. At this point we should all know that nothing completely drastic is going to happen with PSU at the moment. Not until we see what PSP2 has to offer anyway. Sure, it possibly does promote more zerging through missions to get these as you say, at this point I've already accepted that, like I did with other things they've done with this game.

Now since you speak of challenges, I do recall a download mission on the JP version of PSP. To get the best weapons in the game, you had to have in your inventory specific weapons. Skull Sorcerer, Lavis Cannon, the works. The best weapon fom each class on it's own. And you cannot pss through the area unless you actually HAVE them. In itself I do consider that a challenge. Could PSU do someting like that? Possibly. Now of course that only promotes the same thing. But then again, other RPGs do that as well. Perfect World if I recall has a system like that. You needed X amount from a certain enemy in order to get what you needed. Of course you did have to bust your ass on enemies to get that said amount, hard or not.

Now I can agree RPG's should be vast with secrets and danger over the hills and under the waters, but PSU didn't do that. Neither did PSO if I recall, successful as it was. Maybe not as linear as PSU, but SEGA made it work. It has its own form, just like this game. Now I could sit here and share pipe dreams of how SEGA can make PSU as grand as WoW or FFXI, but I know better at this point. The most that can be done now is hope that they take what they have now and make it work better than it did previously. Something I seem to see with PSP2. But only time can tell that story.

NOW, back on topic, I apologize if I derailed it, I'm quite interested n Shijin's ability. But I'd like to know a bit more about Ouryuu. Does it have a special bonus with Shijin or the other swords?

[biggabertha]

It's Sega's game. They can do whatever they want with it.

When you make and direct your own game, then you can do whatever you want with it.

Borrowing from myths and such.... would that mean that some animes would be rendered completely terrible because someone else did them..? I mean, look at Disney's Sword in the Stone and Fate / Stay night... both have the legend of King Arthur in them

Heh, actually... that'd mean that anyone in this day and age are not allowed to use anything to do with Dragons, Tigers, Turtles and Birds.... oh you're so dead/in for a lawsuit Pokémon....


On-Topic: I do like those Longswords and in order to get a nice armour like that... seems like the kinds of things you have to do in offline RPGs. Final Fantasy VIII did a similar kind of thing with Triple Triad, Kingdom Hearts does it to a much lesser extent with synthesis and many of the Gust games (Mana Khemia, Ar Tonelico and Atelier Iris etc.) use the same principles.

Damn, thinking about it, Unlimited Saga does it too - and it's even MORE painful in there to exchange weapons, accessories and shields to get an extremely slim chance at getting what you want (unless you do the "Save -> Soft Reset -> Retry" method which is kinda cheap...).

Bah... if only more games had HP and LP... HP is so bland... (including Pokémon's Hidden Power and Hit Points)

[Ceresa]

Tested Shijin, set bonus with Ouriyuu is another 150 tp

So Ouriyuu vs Smart if you have the armor is 50% speed +250 tp + 10% pp save vs 33% speed and range decrease.

Of course you can use smart with Armas for 4 more stamina too...

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l218/aerawnt/shijin.jpg

Block animation. I never used yiel-senba so dunno if it's unique or not...

[Tyreek]

Interesting. I think I'll place this new unit into my wants list. It should bode well for teching purposes. That is... If we get to that point.

[Shou]

O_O Sounds like it just closes the gap between the Ouriyuu and Smart a little more. Have you done any tests to see if there are any instances where this unit is any better than Smart?

[Ceresa]

I can one shot 175 Event Grinna with Ouriyuu but not smart!

That's it so far.

[FOnewearl-Lina]

Tested Shijin, set bonus with Ouriyuu is another 150 tp

So Ouriyuu vs Smart if you have the armor is 50% speed +250 tp + 10% pp save vs 33% speed and range decrease.

Of course you can use smart with Armas for 4 more stamina too...

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l218/aerawnt/shijin.jpg

Block animation. I never used yiel-senba so dunno if it's unique or not...
The four guardians unite and form a Biohazardesque symbol!

[Arika]

wow, the armor actually look very cool when it blocking.
Still haven't got a chance to play this event yet.

[hunterseifer]

Meh I'd rather keep the swords but also depends on the % they came out with... in that pic, is that a rappy mag :-o

[NDW]

in that pic, is that a rappy mag :-o

Yes it is.

[Ruru]

Lol, knowing Sonic Team, I'd expect them to stoop that low... the dragon would be easy to do, but a tiger, a turtle, and a bird?? Not sure what models they'd use for that...

But really, I was referring back to FF11. =x I haven't gotten that far into the game yet, but I've heard that there are some parties/linkshells that can school the hell out of these guys much like the bosses here on PSU... @_@

I'm just a firm believer in that, when trying to earn some of the best items a game has to offer, you should have to bust your ass for them, in one way or another. Granted, I don't know how the trade-in items for the swords are obtained, but I'm pretty damn sure it would involve the same old method of spamming missions and zerging enemies until they drop... either that, or maybe they'd be distributed at the end of a mission like PA Fragments or something. Regardless, it just promotes more rushing through the missions as fast as possible, and I just hated that, personally... it just becomes more of a matter of keeping your patience and sanity rather than giving you and your party's best efforts towards a big challenge in which you barely escape alive, or utilize any actual skill. RPG's should give you the freedom to explore vast areas filled with secrets and hidden dangers, not throw extremely linear and predictable areas at you...



it's funny that you mention ffxi because you obviously have no idea how that game works. and those gods arent much of gods once you get a linkshell that knows how to deal with them, they're just like any other NM in the game. and when you're in a group like that it all comes down to who has the most points and who gets to have what item.

take it from someone who played that game since beta. you do the exact same amount of spamming to get the things you want as you do on PSU. the only difference is on PSU you dont have all that competition between the people in your group trying to get that item since you can just solo everything you want in this game. in FFXI you're in a constant drama fest of people complaining about gear, and whining whenever someone else gets the gear they want. At least on PSU you dont have to be in a group of 15-60 people just to get the crap you want.

you really need to stop comparing PSU to every other RPG. this game is NOT every other RPG, this game is PSU. so the game doesnt fit your standards of RPGness, that's too bad... but seriously you really need to stop derailing EVERY topic with your nonsense. it's gotten to the point where all you are doing is trolling this forum and half this place is annoyed with you. sure we can choose to ignore your rants and hate posts but it's really just getting out of hand and i'm surprised the mods havent banned you from this place yet. and honestly, how can you even claim you play FFXI when you're ALWAYS on this forum. FFXI is like a job, if you dont devote all your time to that game you'll never get anywhere, and if you claim to be playing that game then you should probably be on there more than you are on these boards.

as far as these swords and the trade in thing goes. it seems like a really neat idea. and since most swords on PSU are fairly lame i think the armor trade in is well worth it. that armor looks really nice. the swords look nice too but i'm sure you would get alot more miles on the armor than those swords.

Edit: in response to your post below me tetsaru i'll just send you a PM.

[Tetsaru]

it's funny that you mention ffxi because you obviously have no idea how that game works. and those gods arent much of gods once you get a linkshell that knows how to deal with them, they're just like any other NM in the game. and when you're in a group like that it all comes down to who has the most points and who gets to have what item.

take it from someone who played that game since beta. you do the exact same amount of spamming to get the things you want as you do on PSU. the only difference is on PSU you dont have all that competition between the people in your group trying to get that item since you can just solo everything you want in this game. in FFXI you're in a constant drama fest of people complaining about gear, and whining whenever someone else gets the gear they want. At least on PSU you dont have to be in a group of 15-60 people just to get the crap you want.

you really need to stop comparing PSU to every other RPG. this game is NOT every other RPG, this game is PSU. so the game doesnt fit your standards of RPGness, that's too bad... but seriously you really need to stop derailing EVERY topic with your nonsense. it's gotten to the point where all you are doing is trolling this forum and half this place is annoyed with you. sure we can choose to ignore your rants and hate posts but it's really just getting out of hand and i'm surprised the mods havent banned you from this place yet. and honestly, how can you even claim you play FFXI when you're ALWAYS on this forum. FFXI is like a job, if you dont devote all your time to that game you'll never get anywhere, and if you claim to be playing that game then you should probably be on there more than you are on these boards.


I was going to PM a response to you to avoid getting further off-topic, but for some reason it wouldn't let me, so I'll just say it in spoiler-box here...

[spoiler-box]
I really wish people wouldn't get so touchy about this sort of thing...

No Ruru, I DON'T know everything about FF11, but I've played long enough to figure out that Square-Enix puts a lot more effort into keeping its players challenged and entertained than Sonic Team does with PSU over here in the US and Europe. I'm also aware that FF11 is a major timesink, and as a result, I find it a lot easier to post on these forums when I don't have hours to devote to the game. I'm not even close to endgame status yet, but so far I've leveled WAR to 37 for my subjob, PLD to about 32 as my main job, and MNK to about 20. I've done a lot of tanking in Valkrum Dunes and Qufim Island parties trying to level up, and I'm aware of how enmity works (for the most part) in the game. I have friends on FF11 who have also played it since it came out (or relatively close) and are more than willing to support me. They've told me about how linkshells and lotting for items work in endgame parties, and to me, it just makes more sense for people to actually work towards these sort of rewards in their groups instead of seeing items that were once rare suddenly become the new standard because they get whored out during events, and since none of them are account-bound, they can be sold for less than 100K on the market to any noob who can afford it. In that sense, it's much easier just to sell everything you get and rely on other people's accomplishments to buy your way through everything... I'm sorry, but imo that's just a major flaw in game design when a game favors the rich man instead of making people work towards getting their items on an individual basis.

If you're as knowledgeable about the game as you say you are, then I would love to hear some advice instead of "stop trolling" when I'm merely trying to make a comparison between both games and their use of the aforementioned gods. Hell, if you still play, and are on the Asura server, I'd love to add you to my friends list, if you were willing.
[/spoiler-box]

[str898mustang]

Tet, would u rather everything go back to V1 drop rates??? Yeah it would keep things rare but people would still quit because the drops are too hard. Events wouldn't even matter with those drop rates. Hell, we'd probably still be using Aranks if we still had the V1 drop rates.

Before AoI was released, u know how many Rattlesnakes were on the server? Two

U could do a 1000 runs to get one item and it would still not drop(Seriously, Me and Akatora did over 1000 GoF runs to get Rikauteri and it never dropped)

I can see ur point about things getting whored out during events but if it was V1 drop rates, wouldn't u just get mad cuz such item is too hard to get? It use to bother me when things that were rare aren't rare anymore but now it doesn't. I just got over it.

[Ceresa]

Earning stuff in FFXI is the same as PSU...you run the same trivial thing over and over until you get it. HNM are only hard the first time, then it's farm status. For the first 3-4 years almost everything worthwhile could be bought with gil too. And the things you couldn't buy with gil...just offer the good Linkshells enough gil to get an invite to the raid and lot their scraps, since you don't even have to be in the killing party to loot something.

The upgrades sucked hard for years too. When I got koenig bp on my paladin after a month straight of killing fafnir/nidhogg daily versus AF1 that took an hour, there was no appreciable difference. Like 20-30 less damage on Byakko's hits, yay? Oh and we only got that one Koenig BP in 7 months of being the only NA in the HNM scene. One bp for our two paladins to share, except it wasn't tradeable. Our other paladin got our one set of boots. That's not fun, that's not earning. Stuff is earned on the first kill, everything after that is mindless repetition. There's a reason WoW gives tokens on every boss kill so people that don't get loot can save up and use those to buy good loot. Small surprise half our LS abandoned FFXI the day WoW was released.

Frankly every problem PSU has, FFXI had for years too, except FFXI is twice as old and has had more time to correct things.

[str898mustang]

Frankly every problem PSU has, FFXI had for years too, except FFXI is twice as old and has had more time to correct things.

This is the only sentence I understood in that post, lol I just dont know FF terms.

[Ruru]

This is the only sentence I understood in that post, lol I just dont know FF terms.

let's just say everything ceresa said is so true it's sad.

[landman]

Hmmmmm...

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Seiryu
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Genbu
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Byakko
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Suzaku
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Ouryu

http://www.pso-world.com/items.php?op=viewarticle&artid=241
http://www.pso-world.com/items.php?op=viewarticle&artid=417
http://www.pso-world.com/items.php?op=viewarticle&artid=529
http://www.pso-world.com/items.php?op=viewarticle&artid=563
http://www.pso-world.com/items.php?op=viewarticle&artid=2507

:wacko:

[Tetsaru]

http://www.pso-world.com/items.php?op=viewarticle&artid=241
http://www.pso-world.com/items.php?op=viewarticle&artid=417
http://www.pso-world.com/items.php?op=viewarticle&artid=529
http://www.pso-world.com/items.php?op=viewarticle&artid=563
http://www.pso-world.com/items.php?op=viewarticle&artid=2507

:wacko:

Interesting. I never played Blue Burst, so I guess that was easy for me to miss. =x

[biggabertha]

flaw in game design when a game favors the rich man instead of making people work towards getting their items on an individual basis.

Helloooooooo Nintendo.... (Pokémon mostly...)

But this is so like real life... everything you struggle for in life can be bought by someone with more money than you. Studies..? Intelligence..? Skill..? Abilities..? Yeah, just have enough money and you're sorted. How to get said money? Win the lottery, inherit it, earn it etc. etc.

I'm all for games that should be a little bit different than real life but there are games out there that basically ARE real life (Second Life..? Anyone..?).



Still, it's so very interesting that a thread that was really there to inform has come to this. I really, REALLY like Longswords and I almost let out a little girly cry when I saw the colours (almost the same as the four colours used in Zelda Four Swords..!) they came in. I'm so very glad that there are options to do this too - I'm really interested in keeping a collector's set of these too!

Also..!


Interesting. I never played Blue Burst, so I guess that was easy for me to miss. =x


I've never played Blue Burst either but I have all four of those shields on my GameCube main character.

[Tetsaru]

I've never played Blue Burst either but I have all four of those shields on my GameCube main character.

I played the Gamecube PSO extensively, but only offline and with my friends. Only one of them was able to get online with the game, and he gave the rest of us a lot of stuff, but it was mostly weapons and MAGs. I just never remembered him mentioning or showing off any of those shields in that game. :confused: Of course, this was back before I knew PSO-World and GameFAQs existed, so what little info I was able to gather about games came mostly from magazines and player's guides.

[str898mustang]

gotta love them PSO days.

[landman]

I played the Gamecube PSO extensively, but only offline and with my friends. Only one of them was able to get online with the game, and he gave the rest of us a lot of stuff, but it was mostly weapons and MAGs. I just never remembered him mentioning or showing off any of those shields in that game. :confused: Of course, this was back before I knew PSO-World and GameFAQs existed, so what little info I was able to gather about games came mostly from magazines and player's guides.
They are obtained in challenge mode, offline :wacko:

[Tetsaru]

They are obtained in challenge mode, offline :wacko:

Ahh, well no wonder. Most of my friends and I were just trying to level up high enough to be able to get to the end of Ultimate Mode, lol... I think we only did Challenge Mode like.... 2 or 3 times?? And even then, we weren't very good at it because we really didn't know what we were doing at the time... ^^;

I would love to see them bring this back again though. PSU especially could use some new forms of gameplay... I thought I read somewhere that PSP2 was implementing this or something, but I could be wrong...

[Ceresa]

Further Shijin Testing with Ouriyuu set.

150 ATP bonus.

It's easily the best possible head unit and armor for all hunter/ranger types.

50 ATP / TP built into the armor like Armas/Redline too.

[Shou]

Further Shijin Testing with Ouriyuu set.

150 ATP bonus.

It's easily the best possible head unit and armor for all hunter/ranger types.

50 ATP / TP built into the armor like Armas/Redline too.

:barf: That sucks for anyone who wants to have the best equipment setup possible for gunner/fighter classes.

[Ruru]

Further Shijin Testing with Ouriyuu set.

150 ATP bonus.

It's easily the best possible head unit and armor for all hunter/ranger types.

50 ATP / TP built into the armor like Armas/Redline too.


this looks like something i can really look forward to if/when we ever get these outside of japan.

[Ceresa]

:barf: That sucks for anyone who wants to have the best equipment setup possible for gunner/fighter classes.

Pfft they are welfare rewards, 10-15 million mesesta for the 4 sealed swords and a bunch of AMP to unseal them.

Of course you could be using the necessary AMP to make about 80 million per armor instead of each armor but that's ok, reselling Armas is bling bling too!

Anyways finished testing the other possible bonuses.

Set with Ouriyuu also gives 150 MST and 75 DFP. There is no bonus with unsealed swords, or sealed swords.

So to sum up, Ouriyuu is 100 TP / 100 MST / me quick speed (50%) / 90% TP use
Shijin adds 50 ATP/ 50 TP
and the set confers 150 ATP/TP/MST and 75 DFP

I was going to test ATA and EVP in a series of 10000 hits each but here's an unsealed Aoryuu instead.

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l218/aerawnt/aoryuu.jpg