GC: Another amazing theory of exceptional believability!

[GandorDurin]

Ah hem, ignoring the poor word choice of my topic...

Has anyone else noticed that when a particular item is dropped either rare or common, that it tends to show up fairly common during the rest of whichever particular run you're on?

For example...If I find a Luck Material, more than half the time I find another one just a few minutes later.

The same goes for some of the common and even not so common rares.

Sometimes I'll get upwards of five of the same common rare from Bartles (I forget which one that is, Silence Claw or something...).

Anyway I thought it was rather odd that on my first Ultimate Ruins run I found not just one but _two_ Meteor Cudgels, which are pretty rare.

This has happened with countless rare items, materials and a few other things.

Unfortunately, there's no way to use this "information" for anything other than hoping that when something good drops that another one will drop in the near future. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

If anyone has had similar experiences that could help prove this "theory" I'd be interested in hearing about it. It sounds silly now that I've typed it out, but this isn't something that has happened once or twice, it's happened throughout my over 1300 hours of playtime on three separate memory cards of characters, so it definately has nothing to do with section ID or class, which would be pretty dumb anyway. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_yes.gif

Okay, take it away everyone! Thanks for reading my crackpot theory.

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[IronKnight]

The game prolly randomly selects list of rares you could obatin when you load up a map. I too have experienced this... When I find a certain mat I'll find like 4 more during the run; And I've found quite a few of the same rares during one run.

[rena-ko]

this adds fuel to the beat-time-theory-fire as well, i'd say...

[Kupi]

Well, if it helps, my Redria HUcast found two D-Parts v2.1.0 or whatever the numeration is on the end in the same VH Ruins run. Surprised the heck out of me. O_o

[Cedric_Greene]

Yeah I has 3 secret gears drop in two conjoining rooms on one run through mines v.hard and 2 of the same rares all the time such as Meteor Smashes most recently. Reminds me of original Diablo where the internal clock would determine your drops and I would always get the same rare items.

[GandorDurin]

Oh yea, I forgot to mention that it happens a _ton_ with HP Materials, at least for me. I don't think I've ever found just one HP Material, unless I had to quit before finishing a run...

[AxTheFish]

I've thought about this as well.
While doing the Soul of a Blacksmith quest with my HUnewearl I found a Flowen's Sword AUW 3083 (I think that's the year) from a Gulgus-gue, and then another one in the next room. Similar things have happened on different characters.

[Foggy_Pete]

its probly related to what section the game was made by. that wouldnt explain materials and stuff though

[Moleman]

yea, materials are affected by id

[TeamPhalanx]

This is actually valid theory. I rarely have runs where I only find a single red box. Usually, to use the cliche, when it rains, it pours. Multiple item findings and rare monsters in the same run isn't a coincidence.

Too bad we'll probably never be able to tie all this together and determine what triggers such a thing to happen.

[Sasarai]

It's true--I posted not to long ago about whenever I do a Fake in Yellow run, I come out with 3 or more Angry Fists. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_quickdraw.gif

[Blood_Dragoon]

Yeah I've had accurances like that happen even with enemies that aren't that common on a lvl like Nano Dragons, Sinows, Garanz, Delbiter, etc. . .

Always thought it was odd. . .

[DeathCheese87]

fake in yellow on ult, i got four or five stags. same room too.

[Tulathis]

I'm not sure why this happens, but it happens a lot. I've found duplicates in the same run with Inferno Bazookas, Kaladbolgs, Secret Gear, Custom Barriers, Proto Regen Gear, and even God Powers. It sure is nice for trading.

[Murako]

I know why this happens. If anyone has played GTA3 or VC, you would know that a certain car appears and alot of them are found. This is done because it saves memory, in the way that it does not have to calculate 5 different cars on a street, and each's different appear percentages, driver speeds and inhabitants. The same theroy can be applied to PSO, in the way that the game does not have to do the algorthims that have to do with enemy rare drop rates, photon percents and wherter it comes from a rare enemy or not. The game makes only 1 or 2 different rares appear so it uses less memory and can run at a better peformance.

[Klakalou]

2 custom frames in last room in heat sword. for 1 more in the game b4 it as well. so thats 3 in 1 day within the hour.

[RabbitGod]

I some what doubt that seeing who an item takes up maybe 3 or 4 kb of ram and the itme cg it self is only 6 polygons (did i spell that right?) vs a GT3 car that has several polygons and AI and driving mecanics. The whole rare thing is probably based on 3 things a random factor, beat time, and section ID. And its all based on who made the game and when. At least thats what the little magic sprits told me in my sleep last night http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[Valleo]

Ive definetly noticed that with the mats. I just thought some were more common that the other for section ID's, as none of my guys are that high in levels yet to be finding good rares.

[Gryphon-X]

I've noticed that too and thought their was something to that. I mean, I found another God/Battle shortly after the first one (!) Same thing happened the other day, now I got four God/Battles. It also with many other items I have. I don't know about rare monsters, but I seem to find them consecutively during certain times. The other day while playing as my Hunewearl, I found around four Pal Rappies in less than an hour without doing the TP trick, just the Fake in the Yellow quest.

[Maelkith]

alot of time when i play i can come back to p2 with similar items. i find alot of ???? weapons in bunches as well as tech discs or shields. materials and grinders also seem to be common on some runs. armor seems to be a grouping as well.

as far as that goes, consumables of all types are sometimes abundant. as an android or force it is especially common and appearent to either get alot of fluids or mates. the worst game rut to be in is the all meseta game. i am sure everyone has had games where the boxes have meseta, and all the monsters drop are mono somethings or meseta.


if i am in forest 1 and the boxes have meseta i usually just quit and reset the ngc. meseta rife runs seem to be the unluckiest for finding useful items.

[DB]

Crazy... I was doing a V-Hard Ruins run. An Inferno Bazooka dropped in the room before the long hallway. I get into the room right before Falz, another one drops, this time with percentages. There has to be something too it? Who knows. After all, i consider those things pretty rare. Just coincidence?

[malinko]

Yeah this seems valid to me... it happens to me ALL the time.

[Celes152]

Am I the only one who still believes it's all random?

[IronKnight]

Notice you have 2 not 1 legit lavis cannons! O.O It's a conspiracy I tell you (puts on tinfoil cap).

[GandorDurin]

On 2003-02-24 21:15, Celes152 wrote:
Am I the only one who still believes it's all random?



I believe in free will, but everyone at least believes in free willy!

Well once again this "random" phenominon (sp?) has occured again today! Five Evade materials in one room, three Digrinders in one forest, two Flowens Swords in one room. I really can't go along with "it's all random," especially after reading I'm not the only one. I wonder if this is intentional or completely by accident...I'm guessing the latter, perhaps due to some programming shortcuts.

[FO-RA-HUnightv]

ok in FiY quest i found 4 stags

in mines in ult i found in one run(dramatice music)
8!!!!! i said 8!!!!! gae blonges(did i spell that right)

i was so pissed the only good thing i got was s reds and a crap load of power mates

i was like ok wtf! im a FORCE i cant use mates and i cant use these weps! damit!

so i started a HUcact and at lv 1 i gave him all the mates i had like 100 mates or so and 50 were power mates and other were like evd and def.lol

[SMACKTARD]

i found a god/battle and a 0 0 60 0 inferno bazooka in one forest of sorrow run

[shadowjack]

Hi
Im Shadowjack
I have been finding you theory to be more than acurate.I belive that the computer uses what is in your backpack to decide what to drop.I find that if you have something in your backpack you will find more in the same run.What we do is to go in as empty as possible except for what we are looking for.This seems to be working very well.Looking for materials,scape dolls and grinders just carry one and see them multiply.Now as for special weapons Yes i often find duplicates so after finding one i quickly return to pioneer and drop them off and search for different things.Another tip for not finding bs antidotes and trap visions is to carry 2 or more mags and use on or more of them to act as garbage disposals.They eat up all the crap you find,your raising more mags and you find and return with more good treasure to keep or sell.
Now if I could only find some add slots....

[fyrewyre]

I dont beleive the 'Random' theory at all either. i went to get a few rares for a friend whos leaving pso and i noticed two secret gears in the same room on H M1 then i walked out andzpaeed a few more bots and got a few more secret gears. im happy i got 5 Secret gears that run and it was odd that i got stuff already on me except the slicer of ass-end and varistas. i also noticed that twice i ran into rares on @319 Beats. im a redria fomar lvl 150 730 hrs and this is happening frequently. i managed to record times i get rares and i get 350-400 Beats (el rappy dropped a Redgun in FiY) i think i got off subject

[SirDonovanIII]

Celebrities always die in 3's

[KyuutoHikari]

That's really insightful of you, Murako-san ^_^ I wouldn't have thought of that. I guess that if you find a rare early in a run that you know you don't want, then you should quit and try again, since you're probably going to just keep getting that item over and over again?

[Blood_Dragoon]

1 Fake in Yellow run I ended up with 14 Rappy Wings. . .

Now if I could just merge em all into 1 weapon and make an uber Rappy Fan since I already have too many before that. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

[GandorDurin]

I like my St. Rappy Fan of Booma Slaying +869.

It adds 400 ATA!
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Another amazing God/Mind run, whee! The first two Lillies I saw were Nar Lillies, both leaving God/Minds.

When I finally made it to the pipe room took a half hour or so for another Nar, and it dropped meseta though, feh. Still a good run...

Anyway to whoever suggested quitting and restarting a game if the first boxes have only meseta...I don't really believe that. But of course I've never payed attention to what the first few boxes dropped, since most of the time I skip boxes...Hmm, I guess I should try it for myself.

[Blood_Dragoon]

I make a point to bash boxes just in hopes of more scapedolls and mats.

[Toyzferall]

*Shrug* Happened to me on occasions. I think there's something to it, but it hurts my head too much to try and figure it out. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif