RAnewm/RAnewerl why not?

[Lunar_Furor]

Is there some back story I'm missing or did sega just hate rangers?

[THOTH]

Newmans in this game are supposed to be difficult to use... if you further reduced the ATP of an organic ranger down from the humans, the class would be pointless. It's difficult to justify a RAmarl as it is, frankly let alone a RAnewearl.

You may be interested to know in PSP2, Newmans make incredible rangers with good tech use (they are second only to casts in ranged weapon damage)

[Lunar_Furor]

I already know about the psp2 stuff and I'm not begging for the RAnewm or anything. I just like the idea, it'd be nice to see what they'd do with it.

[GHNeko]

Well. Look at it this way. Casts cant be FO. So New cant be RA. Humans can be everything cuz they're fucking humans and the most versatile race ever.

That's how I looked at it.

[Mike]

FOcast/FOcaseal, woo!

[Adriano]

Male Newman + Xbow = ????
I tend to go with ????.

[super_luu]

I would have loved to see RAnewm, RAnewearl, FOcast, and FOcaseal.... but eh.... guess ST didnt want to make a couple more models.

[GHNeko]

FOcast, and FOcaseal....

1. How would that work?
2. Whyyyyyyyy
3. Pointless class is extremely pointless.
4. That would break the rules of the CASTs

[Blue-Hawk]

Newman's can be VERY effective rangers. I had one in PSU and it seemed to be even easier to use then a Cast or Human one.

[Zephton]

We're talking about PSZ guys, not PSU/PSP.

And as someone else put it, Casts can't be FOs, Newmans can't be RAs, and Humans can be everything lol

[GHNeko]

Newman's can be VERY effective rangers. I had one in PSU and it seemed to be even easier to use then a Cast or Human one.

That's a completely different game with different battle systems mechanics and even a new race. <_<

Hell. It doesnt even go by traditional class names like HUmar and FOnewmn.

[Volta]

http://i48.tinypic.com/2pqlttg.jpg

Assuming you ignore her typing in Ep. I, anyways.

[GHNeko]

NPCs don't count.

And She's not a RA anyways. She justs uses a gun. <_<

Using a gun != RA.

[Volta]

Well, it's the closest we'll ever get to a RAnewearl. :/

[sylwyn]

Well in PSU R-mags were very powerful and based on Tech power which Newmans excelled in. Get a 5-way shooter and get close to an enemy those 5 shots add up, include your own mainhand attack and it was very decent damage regardless of what class the Newman was.

The closest we'll get to a RAnewm/earl in this game is if you make them use slicers or use the select few handguns we can use. Keep in mind though that slicers are able to pass through objects and crevices which guns can not(for some odd reason).

[Zorafim]

Well, if going from the original series, newmans were by far the least likely race to use a gun (I think even dezolians and motavians used guns in the first game). It was always claws and healing magic with them. I think the best explanation I can come up with is PSI's Myau. Basically, a cat with support magic, and the basis of all future newmans. Not exactly something you'd see with guns. So it's sort of a concept thing.

By the way, on the topic of cast forces... The first game you could play an android, they could use magic just fine. It wasn't until the second game (fourth in the series) where they had no MP, though they could still use magic in the form of skills (basically, SUVs without the charge bar, but a limited number of uses).

[Adriano]

Actually, Elly used a Varista, that any class can use.

Though, there was a RAnewearl in the pso storyline quests.
Her name was Valeria, she showed up in the Twin Newearl quests, where you had to go find the lost twin.
Valeria was one in Caves 1 witha Rifle equipped.

(I remember a subject similar to this, a while ago.)

[Lunar_Furor]

Let me point something out. Magic is an organic trait yes? Techniques are only performed by using some [insert organic excuse here] well fine I can accept this, robots can't use magic... but what in the name of [what you worship] is stopping a newman (aka human with weird ears and hair colour) from picking up a gun? RAnewm doesn't contradict anything. Just because Casts can't use magic doesn't mean Newmans can't use guns. That's like saying since fish can't walk on land, cats can't swim in water.

[Gunslinger-08]

I always understood it that the PSO newmans were physically frail enough that it was beyond wasteful for them to try and hold a heavier gun steady long enough to fire accurately.

It's not the same with heavy melee weapons, since you only have to have enough strength to heft the weapon and then swing it, rather than holding it steady whenever you use it, as you would have to with anything larger than a handgun or mechgun.

[Allison_W]

I always understood it that the PSO newmans were physically frail enough that it was beyond wasteful for them to try and hold a heavier gun steady long enough to fire accurately.

It's not the same with heavy melee weapons, since you only have to have enough strength to heft the weapon and then swing it, rather than holding it steady whenever you use it, as you would have to with anything larger than a handgun or mechgun.

Actually, you need to be strong enough to swing it with control--and you have to have the strength and endurance to keep doing it. You know those great big swords even PSO HUnewearls can use just fine? Edge placement is critical with bladed weapons, and something that heavy is not going to be swung repeatedly with precision by someone who isn't even strong enough to hold a rifle steady. They're more likely to hurt themselves trying.

[Trina]

They don't want to get mashed into the generic Tolkien fantasy junk stereotype with thin weak pointy eared people using ranged weapons.

[Gunslinger-08]

Actually, you need to be strong enough to swing it with control--and you have to have the strength and endurance to keep doing it. You know those great big swords even PSO HUnewearls can use just fine? Edge placement is critical with bladed weapons, and something that heavy is not going to be swung repeatedly with precision by someone who isn't even strong enough to hold a rifle steady. They're more likely to hurt themselves trying.

You know, I was just offering a devil's advocate-type of explanation. This is just as valid, but one could also argue that size does not always correlate to weight, and might not have a real place in this argument at all. However, let's assume that it does. While I agree that edge placement is important, I was always of the understanding that heavy weapons such as swords weren't used for their accuracy, and derived their effectiveness through their weight.

Hitting someone in the face with the flat side of a sword will still crush their head, so while edge placement can be important, I'd argue that simply controlling the weight in a longsword's swing is a bigger part of dealing damage with them. The weight is part of the weapon's effectiveness, and it's always in movement, unlike most heavier guns.

To clarify what I'm saying, I'm not arguing that newmans would be unable to use rifles effectively, but that the effort it would require would be better spent on using melee weapons, which require strength, and a level of precision, but not quite to the extent that a rifle or heavy gun would require. Techniques would be the obvious second alternative.

Then there's laser cannons. Humans look like they have a hard enough time not dragging the things, so it would make sense that newmans wouldn't get much use out of trying to use one.

Again, I'm thinking that it's not a matter of newmans being unable to wield heavy guns, but that it's simply very impractical.

(damn, I really got carried away with this.)

At any rate, this is all just speculation for the hell of it.

[Para]

Give a HUnewearl a Handgun with flamehit PA and u got yourself a RAnewearl :D its what i did lol

[Aziel]

They don't want to get mashed into the generic Tolkien fantasy junk stereotype with thin weak pointy eared people using ranged weapons.

That's whassup.

[pso_crash]

I think one way of explaining it in psz is that mother trinity saw guns as part of how the humans, and casts, were hurting the earth, so she never introduced guns to the nuwmans. Now that they have returned to earth they have no idea how to use such powerful weapons effectively, so instead they choose to use weapons that they are already proficient with. Maybe their children will be able to use them.

[Mike]

Though, there was a RAnewearl in the pso storyline quests.
Her name was Valeria, she showed up in the Twin Newearl quests, where you had to go find the lost twin.
Valeria was one in Caves 1 witha Rifle equipped.

This brings back memories of the good ol' God / Equip.

[Gemel]

I think one way of explaining it in psz is that mother trinity saw guns as part of how the humans, and casts, were hurting the earth, so she never introduced guns to the nuwmans. Now that they have returned to earth they have no idea how to use such powerful weapons effectively, so instead they choose to use weapons that they are already proficient with. Maybe their children will be able to use them.

Right when you get on the moon you can see a bunch of Reve look-a-likes ready to fill you up with photon, Reve even uses one as a weapon when you set him to heal order.

My guess is that they just didn't introduce them for gameplay wise reasons, to keep it as humans can do everything and the other races having limitations. Storyline reasons, don't ask me.

[Wakashan]

The same reason that we don't have FoCasts. :P

[Z-735]

Well, in PSU casts can use techniques.... I mean it goes from "casts can't use tachniques" to "casts can use techniques" to "casts can't use techniques.... AGAIN!" lol I wouldn't mind having my cast use resta :3

[Evicous]

Well, in PSU casts can use techniques.... I mean it goes from "casts can't use tachniques" to "casts can use techniques" to "casts can't use techniques.... AGAIN!" lol I wouldn't mind having my cast use resta :3
Every Final Fantasy game has a character named Cid in it. WHY THE HELL DOESN'T PS0 HAVE A CID IN IT

Wrong series, you silly person.

[Z-735]

Because Cid has a kid, and names it Cid, just to annoy Final Fantasy Players :P Rofl. I'm sure this is true XD Cid is probably gonna be in FF 13 too D:

[Aziel]

Because Cid has a kid, and names it Cid, just to annoy Final Fantasy Players :P Rofl. I'm sure this is true XD Cid is probably gonna be in FF 13 too D:

Just be thankful there's no Sid from Spirits Within showing up anywhere..ever.