Nintendo Power is trying to shut off PSO

[Vantamiath]

Yea, I got the new NINTENDO POWER, and was very pleased to see PSO nominated in various fields for this years awards (However, game wasnt nominated for best graphics or best MUSICAL SCORE). But, I realized nintendo power is trying to do a smear-campaign....

If you notice, all the votable PSO categories are MAIL-IN only categories, and to all the possible voting categories at www.nintendo.com/np_awards have no PSO in ANY CATEGORIES!! (and btw, some of these categories are ones featured in the magazine, but online PSO is excluded from being votable as best GCN game, and many others.

I think nintendo power realizes most people will vote online, giving PSO no fair chance at winning.

My suggestion? Mail nintendo power voting for PSO as best GC game...because in a magazine as well read as NP, it would bite the viewers in the ass to see it win.

[thewiredknight]

Actually in older issues Nintendo always recomends voting via a mail in form as they provide more for it in there. Honestly though I don't think PSO's graphics are all that great, polygons abound and textures aren't amazing either. While some places look nice enemy designs (Booma in particular is bad) aren't up to standards if you look at games like STar Fox or Mario for how well the enemies are drawn. Music I think only th eopenings and endings for the game are really par but oh well. Either way, once I get my issue I will be mailing in my choices.

[Vantamiath]

Best Game is PSO all the way for me. I mean, Metroid was a great game, but I have no intention to play it as much as PSO.

Btw, I just realized you're skyline.

[IronKnight]

Well they can't put EVERY SINGLE game on the Best Games choice list. Let's say I was set on voting for Super Monkey Ball 2 and it didn't make the list... IT's the same concept. They don't hate PSO they just realize it isn't a mainstream title.

[Moleman]

I got that issue too. That magazine is biased toward 1st party games, but only a little.

[Guntz348]

First, you mean Nintendo is trying to shut out PSOW not off. Second of course they dont want it to win its a third party game and its Segas no less.



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[SilencePSO]

Who care what's in Nintendo Power?

[Atari]

..... talk about your fan boys. Ok you want to know why its not in the best game category, cause it isn't the god of all games, so what you dont plan on playing metroid as much as you do pso, that doesnt mean metroid is a bad game, metroid is a good game, you know why, the graphics, the music, everything was good about metroid thats why it got good ratings, sure they could put on pso for best game, while there at it they could put up simpsons road rage for christs sakes. This doesn't mean I hate pso, I like it, but lets face it it isn't the best game out there, and i dont think nintendo power gives a rats ass about 3rd parties, if they cared that much they wouldn't put the games they make in their magazine, why would it matter if it's third party, nintendo gets money. Just by having a game not on a list means nothing, if i thought Jackass:The Movie was the best movie ever but it wasn't nominated for an oscar im not going to mail in and complain, thats the way life is, cause when it comes down to it usally the best things win

im also curious to know is skies of arcadia on that list?

[Sedyne]

ok that just pisses me off for one reason....

PSO in my opinion is THE ONLY GOOD game on Nintendo GameCube. I really can't enjoy anything else on this system one bit, except RE. That was it! Nintendo Power is on crack!

[Blood_Dragoon]

If I remember correctly doesn't every issue of Nintendo Power have the offical "Nintendo Seal of Quality" on it? Now just do the math. . .

[TerribleDeliMeat]

Is this award worth anything? It seems to be just another GotY award...which ammount to nothing.

[Atari]

yea i forgot to mention that

yea to bad seanX930 your not an editor of nintendo power and their the ones who pick the games, they actually pick good games im wondering is star fox adventures also one of the best games cause if it is your support of nintendo only liking nintendo goes right down the drain, even though its already bad

by crack you mean that they actually pick good games then yes


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[Mello]

I want to tell you something everybody does not relize its not nintendo you should be mad at. its Nintendo Power which chooses the games ok.

[Fanatic72802]

Could you let those of us who are Nintendo Power-less (No pun intended) know exactly what fields PSO was nominated in?

[Buuyon]

How is Star Fox a good game...its a Zelda wannabe but failed...

[Eum]

How can you form an opinion which states there is only one decent game on a system, when you haven't had the chance to play them all?

Spare me.

[oxxjuniorxxo]

I for one have played about half of the current GC games, and well in my opinion PSO is still #1. Metroid Prime, as stated earlier, is a good game, second best though. I couldn't sit and play that game as much as I do PSO now. In my opinion Zelda Master Quest should be stated 2nd best http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[Buuyon]

...Zelda master quest is pretty much the same as the regular...but PSO is the best game on GC...

[Sasarai]

Nintendo Power has always been a biased gaming magazine and with good reason. The magazine's basis is to promote Nintendo products, period. I applaud Nintendo, they're using their resources to advertise their product and make it look good too!

In my opinion, EGM is the only reputable gaming magazine. (In my opinion.) They even had the audacity to give Wind Waker 10, 10, and 9.5. I disagree, incredibly, as Wind Waker is simply amazing but at least I have the comfort of knowing they aren't promoting a Nintendo product; they're actually trying to give a fair, objective review (which Nintendo Power isn't capable of, again in my opinion).

PSO is not the best game for GameCube. Its graphics are good, but not great. Its sound is good and again, not great. The gameplay is addictive.

Whoever mentioned Star Fox as being a good game is...high. Star Fox, as someone stated, was a failed Zelda copy. It was pretty (visually) and pretty boring.

Metroid Prime managed to blow a lot of skeptics out of the water. Many people, myself included, believed Metroid would suck ass because of the transition to first-person shooter from side-scroller. It had amazing visuals, sound and gameplay; it deservingly won the awards it was nominated for.

After all is said, magazine awards don't count for shit. Awards in any entertainment industry are simply for publicity and boasting rights. People are sometimes more inclined to buy the game based on an award, but I'm rarely persuaded to based on someone else's opinion. The fact is everyone has their opinion as to what makes a game good/great/legendary.

Of course, every few years we have that game that seems to amaze everyone, no matter one's usual taste in games. Like, Final Fantasy VII and The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time.

[Sedyne]

On 2003-02-25 19:05, Atari wrote:
yea i forgot to mention that

yea to bad seanX930 your not an editor of nintendo power and their the ones who pick the games, they actually pick good games im wondering is star fox adventures also one of the best games cause if it is your support of nintendo only liking nintendo goes right down the drain, even though its already bad

by crack you mean that they actually pick good games then yes




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No, I actually grew a great distaste for nintendo after purchasing the gamecube. It's my opinion that their games are bad. I'll give them the credit that most of their games at least LOOK Absolutly BEUTIFUL. But to me none of them are fun (Except PSO and RE). Not a single one of them has made me go (Aww this shit's great) Except PSO.

Xbox and PS2 are the only systems that have done that for me so far. And multiple games on those platofrms. It's just my personal opinion, I just can't find much fun in it. Perhaps It's because of the controller. I like the controller but it feels to plasticky to me I don't know and that can alter how a game feels amongst people. Perhaps if i bought another controller but eh i dought it. Don't get me wrong I loved all the other nintendo systems, and I do have a respect for them. It's just nothing on the system gives me the same feeling of fun if any, that the other systems seem to dish out. It's a matter of opinion. I think nintedno power is crackheads because i just don't think those games are good.


and EUM if ur reffering to me about "not have played the games" I have. I've played both RE's, I own metroid, SSBMelee, Eternal Darkness (This game does strike me a bit)

but you know i do think it's all because of PSO that i've gotten a distaste for games, and do lately not like many games. it's just like pso set a new standaard that no other game could reach for me i don't really know. i know my opinions are bit "BULLSHIT" but it's just how I feel. I don't want you to think im a nintedno basher because i'm not. im sure sometime they'll come out with something that will amazae me. RE did.


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[Vantamiath]

When you say magazine awards amount to shit is a false statement. Half the GC gamers havent even heard of PSO, and if it got best game in a very biased mag, Im sure some GC noobs would hop on the bandwagon to see what its all about...

Whereas something like Metroid wins (I like the game), but they think nothing of it, because everyone and their grandma owns that game on GC.

If PSO got best game in the official US Nintendo magazine, Im pretty sure it would mean more then "shit"

[Sasarai]

That's true. But as I stated, for me, awards don't decide my purchases. I play every game before I buy it.

Think of it this way, you watch Ebert and Ropert and the say Kangaroo Jack is amazing family film, you must go see it. Jerry O'Connell is later nominated for Best Comedic Actor (or whatever) in the Academy Awards. I mean, come on...are you really going to see that movie based on someone else's opinion/review/awarding? I wouldn't. However, I'd go if I was generally interested; personal taste.

People who may have never heard of PSO and see it getting Game of the Year would be impressed, but generally, I believe most people will buy games based on hype (Grand Theft Auto: Vice City http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif )and personal taste over an award.

Suikoden III on some websites and most gaming magazines got mediocre, to piss-poor ratings. You know what? I think it's the second best RPG for PS2; Kingdom Hearts being number 1. By the way, I thought Final Fantasy X was shit, even though it was generally given great reviews.

Edit: Spelling error.





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[IronKnight]

Yay! I'm not the only one who thought FFX was wank! http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif



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[Gastlichu]

Uhmmm PSO doesn't have the best graphics or sound on GC... hell it is not even the best game. It is just the first online game for the cube thats all. Oh and a cheap intent as a MMOG...

[thewiredknight]

These awards aren't much. They are only published in Nintendo Power magazine so it's not like we are seeing something that will influence gaming a great deal. All it does is give Nintendo some feedback from people who subscribe to the magazine, which allready makes it a fairly biased survey. So I woulnd't worry abou tit too much.

[CajunSamurai]

Nintendo Power is still around? Huh.
I haven't subscribed to their magazine since the NES days when they used to give you a funky little badge when you subscribed. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

Either way, their awards have always and always will be stupid, biased and meaningless. ... As are most awards polls, really. The same goes for awards ceremonies such as the Grammies and Academy Awards, it's really just a popularity contest and doesn't amount to JACK.

But PSO is easily my GCN game of the year. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif And it is not a MMORPG.

[Mystil]

On 2003-02-25 18:31, SeanX930 wrote:
ok that just pisses me off for one reason....

PSO in my opinion is THE ONLY GOOD game on Nintendo GameCube. I really can't enjoy anything else on this system one bit, except RE. That was it! Nintendo Power is on crack!



Yeah I have to agree with that. So far -as it is the ONLY online game the GC has, IT is and has been the best game to get on the GC. As far, RPG-wise.(Which the GC lacks in). Hah! I wont say that it is the greatest game ever made though.

[raiden999]

pointless conversation in the making

[polishedweasel]

This is about the CG n00bs.... so what if they see this PSO game in the magazine! So then they'd want to buy it, right?

Let me ask everysingle last one of you one simple question: WHERE THE HELL ARE YOU GOING TO FIND A COPY OF PSO???? i DON'T MEAN EBAY EITHER!!!!

I got my copy in December. I had to go clear across town to get it too. That was a long drive....anyway. I tried to find PSO for a friend, and there are like no copies in the crappy ass town anymore!!! It's very sad. We have 3 Wal-Marts and none of them have it, Babbages, EB, and toys R Us. No Copies at all!!! But, I already have it so I'm fine with it. But ut's jsut really hard to find all of a sudden.

[thewiredknight]

Actually GC has a seven RPGs out with three more coming. PSO, Skies of Arcadia, Lost Kingdoms, Zelda Wind Waker, Evolution Worlds, Baldur's Gate and Endless Warriors (that name might be incorrect). They have a Final Fantasy game coming as well as a new Ogre Battle planned. It seems to me that those who say that PSO is the only good GC games are only looking for online games. GC has a pretty damn good lineup and has just even taken away the Gundam license from Sony. Mobil Suit Gundam will have a game on GC now. Not to mention they have Lost Kingdoms 2 planned as well which will only increase the lineup of RPGs.

Oh and tell me, precisely how many RPGs does the X-box have? Why do you think it's had so much trouble in japan? No RPG support.

GC has been out for only about one year, and you know, nearly ten RPGs within a single year isn't half bad.

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[TerribleDeliMeat]

On 2003-02-27 12:36, thewiredknight wrote:


Oh and tell me, precisely how many RPGs does the X-box have? Why do you think it's had so much trouble in japan? No RPG support.



Actually, there's quite a few RPGs on XBOX. Both Nightcaster games, Metal Dungeon, Morrowind, Baulder's Gate.

And if you want to count the upcoming releases...they've got Gladius, Sudeki, Psychonauts, KotOR, Fable and True Fantasy Live Online.

Lack of RPGs isnt Microsoft's problem. Its just a lack of interest.

[Sasarai]

I see this topic slowly becoming a "This system is better, because..." debate. Every system has devout followers, let's leave it at that.

I like the GameCube better because its current games and future lineup appeal to me, but that doesn't mean X-Box is worse in any instance.

All I can say is, "To each his own."

[Lman90245]

I like Phantasy Star Online, in my opinion good gameplay and replay value is what make a game... I don't give a crap about graphics (although PSO still has pretty colorfull ones) as for sound... turn it down and listen to a cd or something if you don't like it. Phantasy Star Online is my favorite game and has been since the dreamcast days. Also I think Dreamcast was one of the best consoles ever made... it was the first online (besides pc, and those who imported parts to play online with the SNES)

LONG LIVE PSO!

[Atari]

how the heck isnt star fox a good game, just cause your a zelda fan boy doesnt make star fox not good, similar playstyle hmm, well then half the games out there are rip offs of other games jesus, how the phuk am i high saying star fox is good jesus, if you say its bad im allowed to say its good so stfu. and to all you ps2 fanboys shut up, your system sucks, they have nothing but final fantasy, if sony didnt have squaresoft they would suck ass

[Muku6]

Each game has both pros and cons. Unfortunately with Star Fox it was a game to be something else, then Star Fox team got thrown into the mix. Considering it's really repetative... it kind of lacks a certain quality that Star Fox games have. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

[Mirth]

I rented Star fox once, it seemed cool at first for ahwile(especially the space fighting but that ended to fast..)then i land on the planet, and there is too much fucking dialouge, the dinasaurs were annoying, i think in the 3 or 4 hours i played, i only fought 6 or 8 enemies, how pathetic , searching for crap over and over and the lack of hits and having to find dam scarabs and crap , really star fox adventures was al graphics, rip off zelda gameplay, and crappy quests. Xbox has a few rpgs but really its more of an action type of thing(basically i got it for halo , halo 2, True Fantasy Live online, and any sega titles, cause face it ps2 is like segas crap dump, its where all the boring stuff goes but thats a different story) anyways i dont see how that guy cant like any gamecube game besides pso, but oh well, Nintendo power is not a review magazine, dont buy it for the reviews, it has some good stratagies and such though,

[MasterOfPocky]

CAN'T you pepole just realize that,

1.Starfox is a cheap zelda ripp-off
2.PSO is the best GC game. Isn't that it's the first MMORPG reason enough? I mean, Nintendo won't even think to get off their Lazy Arses and make a online game next to animal crossing...ANIMAL CROSSING! the worst game ever!
3.Nintendo power is NINTENDO power for a REASON! NINTENDO! God.

[MasterOfPocky]

CAN'T you pepole just realize that,

1.Starfox is a cheap zelda ripp-off
2.PSO is the best GC game. Isn't that it's the first MMORPG reason enough? I mean, Nintendo won't even think to get off their Lazy Arses and make a online game next to animal crossing...ANIMAL CROSSING! the worst game ever!
3.Nintendo power is NINTENDO power for a REASON! NINTENDO! God.

[CGoodness]

The thing with NP is that they don't put emphasis on games that not a lot of ppl know of, but they nominate all of the popular games in like every category in awards and stuff. (HONESTLY. HOW DOES ANIMAL CROSSING GET NOMINATED FOR BEST MUSIC?!?!?!? OMFG!) THAT GAY MIDI MUSIC SUCKS!

[Kent]

On 2003-02-28 19:37, MasterOfPocky wrote:
CAN'T you pepole just realize that,

1.Starfox is a cheap zelda ripp-off
2.PSO is the best GC game. Isn't that it's the first MMORPG reason enough? I mean, Nintendo won't even think to get off their Lazy Arses and make a online game next to animal crossing...ANIMAL CROSSING! the worst game ever!
3.Nintendo power is NINTENDO power for a REASON! NINTENDO! God.



Okay, so just because StarFox Adventures uses a similar engine to the N64 Zelda games makes it a cheap Zelda rip-off? So I guess the Dark Cloud series, Kingdom Hearts, and all those other games that use a similar system are all "cheap Zelda rip-offs" then too, right? I'd remove myself from the gene pool if I had your logic.

PSO is NOT an MMORPG. Four people playing in a game at any one time is definitely not massive, get your facts straight. EverQuest is an MMORPG, Diablo is not; Star Wars Galaxies is an MMORPG, PSO is not. There's a big difference between a few players and a few thousand players.

And you seem to be right about Nintendo Power, it's a magazine about Nintendo. I wonder how long it took you to figure that out, a few hours maybe?

[Nicoli_Dumata]

Hmmm, a very intresting discussion. Indeed, I do believe NP is being a bit mean to PSO in general. I mean, putting Animal Crossing in the RPG category? Driving votes away from PSO... Especially when it's listed as 'Adventure' in the back of the mag. If you'll notice, most of the staff memebers don't have their ratings very high on any RPGs. (Refer to the ratings section) However, it's not so bad as to get into a large hissy fit about it. Just fill out the form and mail it in, all votes going to PSO, of course. I'm also mad at them for not adding their special 'spunk' to the most annoying thing section... Curse Alan....

[MasterOfPocky]

Dude! Star fox is by nintendo! It plays like nintendos zelda! they have a GC port of zelda 64! CAN'T you tell it uses the SAME engine! And thanks for clearing up the MMORPG , kent. Im new to the online thing.

[DJ_Monkey]

<sarcasm>No way, you can't be serious...Nintendo Propaganda, not promoting 3rd parties? No way!</sarcasm>

But seriously, no sane person reads that magazine and expects there to be un-biased reviews. Nintendo Power is to 3rd party video games as Fox News is to liberals.

[Atari]

ah star fox is by rare you fucking moron, kent thank you ive been saying that

ok you know why animal crossing is voted for best game or whatever, cause its fun and additive, and its a rpg, think about it you make someone and then you roleplay as them, hahahaha im so SMRT, and once you think about it pso is a adventure, except the equipment and levels