PSO-GC / PSO:BB

[Meyfei]

As many know PSO:BB has gone through many"changes" and i for one dont like these changes and am thinking i'd rather play GC-PSO offline, than BB online.

Anyone else thinking the same?

My reasons for thinking this are:
1: Blue Burst is so strict with rares, that its to the extent that if you were to find a Insert Rare weapon here with 70+%hit and Insert other %'s here and you dont have proof, they WILL delete it.

2: No point in playing a game that no longer has Unlockables, such as running through forest to unlock caves, or to unlock caves quests by running forest, and doing teir 1-2 quests. Without the unlockables all you got is an online game thats a grindfest/item hunter.

3: To many changes to weapons, armors, and items. They took out the "Amplifier of Insert spell-name, and added comboing to non comboing weapons. and decreased some bonus' to certain armors/shields for example, the ata boost on one of those cast shields.

[Jaspaller]

#3 was part of the reason I quit. I wasn't looking forward to the character stat rebalances either so I quit early.

I wouldn't have minded going back down to PSOGC but I wasn't willing to start up new characters again or risk corruption.

[Evicous]

1) ...where the hell are you getting a 70+ hit weapon? There's your problem. I don't even think that is a possible drop on the server. Stop hacking and they will stop taking away items ^^

As far as other situations go if you had a 50/0/0/50/50 Excalibur no one would take it away if you didn't have proof, you just couldn't trade it off to someone.

2) On the GC unlocking stuff only takes a negligible amount of time per difficulty. What do you do for the other 500+ hours? That's right, the game becomes a grindfest/item hunter.

3) They replaced said Amplifier with a more broadly useful one- instead of getting a % increase on Barta you now get a % increase on all Simple Techs.

Oh, rue the day they make some of the most boring weapons in the game actually fun to play! Curse them and their combo unlocks! /sarcasm

They lost the S-Parts' ATA bonus because 15 ATA is a giant bonus. That is like having every single one of the character's weapons' hit boosted by 15. That's ridiculous. They decided to get rid of it for balancing purposes.


Character stat rebalances will never happen, by the way. They'll never come to an agreement on what they should change. That is one thing that I am glad they won't change.

[Meyfei]

@ Jaspaller
or risk corruption.

There is a memory card pack by Madcatz or w/e their name is, it can be abused sadly, but you basically have a memory card with a usb slot and it can connect to the PC and you can upload any files on the memory card to the computer, which could be of use to "Replace" any corruptions.


1) ...where the hell are you getting a 70+ hit weapon? There's your problem. I don't even think that is a possible drop on the server. Stop hacking and they will stop taking away items ^^

As far as other situations go if you had a 50/0/0/50/50 Excalibur no one would take it away if you didn't have proof, you just couldn't trade it off to someone.

2) On the GC unlocking stuff only takes a negligible amount of time per difficulty. What do you do for the other 500+ hours? That's right, the game becomes a grindfest/item hunter.

3) They replaced said Amplifier with a more broadly useful one- instead of getting a % increase on Barta you now get a % increase on all Simple Techs.

Oh, rue the day they make some of the most boring weapons in the game actually fun to play! Curse them and their combo unlocks! /sarcasm

They lost the S-Parts' ATA bonus because 15 ATA is a giant bonus. That is like having every single one of the character's weapons' hit boosted by 15. That's ridiculous. They decided to get rid of it for balancing purposes.


Character stat rebalances will never happen, by the way. They'll never come to an agreement on what they should change. That is one thing that I am glad they won't change.

People like you always look for problems, i suggest you change the attitude.

I never said i found any 70hits, and i dont hack weapons so get over yourself this is a discussion, not a flame-war. Besides that's the reason why they want proof of legitimacy, which is why i used it as an example. if by some odd chance one should drop they'd delete it in a heart beat without proof, which would need you to have pictures of that one weapon + write a page of what you did that day from the first bite of breakfast to that very moment you found it.

The difference between Gamecube grindfest, and PSO:BB grindfest is this Very, Big, Difference. Blueburst is a grindfest as soon as you start playing, as GameCube, you have things to do such as unlocking ALL quests to get the frying pan, and getting a soul eater.


as for GC you can find it, and play using it freely without being watched by people who dont even play the game, yet think they know everything.

as for the S.Parts ata boost, it's called a rare shield for a reason, and ofcourse they're not quite easy to come by, so obviously the 15ata isnt a matter of fair boost or not, as the defense and evasion boost is lower then other armors that you could easily find else where.

/mockery Oh, rue the day they make many items overpowered and ruin the games "Challange", Need an example? L&K38, 1 shot shoots bout 5 hits, multiply that by 3 you have 15 hits, at rifle range, on all classes, have a HUmar? then your hitting 15 x 300-400+

With "Changes" like that, they might as well hand out Sabers with +100% to all, and a 500 atp/ mst, and 80 luck boost. Face it Blue Burst had better people running it when sega owned it, and actually payed attention to it.

[Kyrith_Ranger_Pso]

BB is and shall always be a billion times better than psogc!

[Evicous]

I don't feel like arguing anything but these (we'll be at it for weeks on the other ones)-

/mockery Oh, rue the day they make many items overpowered and ruin the games "Challange", Need an example? L&K38, 1 shot shoots bout 5 hits, multiply that by 3 you have 15 hits, at rifle range, on all classes, have a HUmar? then your hitting 15 x 300-400+
L&K38 Combats aren't affected by H/Battles/v101s so their effectiveness is really overshadowed by a combination of a 50hit Charge Vulcan and a 50hit Charge Raygun for when you need range. Not to mention the price difference- maybe 10 PDs max for a 50hit Charge Vulcan and 50hit Charge Raygun compared to 80 PDs for an ANYTHINGhit L&K38 Combat. Trust me, L&K38s aren't as overpowered as you think they are.

And since when has any PSO game since v2 been even the least bit "challenging"?

With "Changes" like that, they might as well hand out Sabers with +100% to all, and a 500 atp/ mst, and 80 luck boost. Face it Blue Burst had better people running it when sega owned it, and actually payed attention to it.
No. There is a difference between making shitty rares better and handing out "uber" hack-weapons.

[Volcompat321]

I'm having 100 times the fun I've ever had playing PSO: GC with my friends.

Not to mention the portability (if you play on laptop).
Just the other day, I was playing PSO: BB while my friend was driving to Orlando.

You cant do that with a desktop, or GC, but if you have the laptop, you have the choice. (unless of course, you buy a TV, then the car adapter plugs.

[NegaTsukasa]

portability and non-portability is another topic all in its self.

we arn't really discussing pros and cons. more of the things that have changed blue burst.

but I agree. portability is pretty convenient to any game.

[Volcompat321]

For me the portability makes it more fun.
I can play while someone is driving, and for no extra cost of the stuff I mentioned up there.

[NegaTsukasa]

I don't feel like arguing anything but these (we'll be at it for weeks on the other ones)-


L&K38 Combats aren't affected by H/Battles/v101s so their effectiveness is really overshadowed by a combination of a 50hit Charge Vulcan and a 50hit Charge Raygun for when you need range. Not to mention the price difference- maybe 10 PDs max for a 50hit Charge Vulcan and 50hit Charge Raygun compared to 80 PDs for an ANYTHINGhit L&K38 Combat. Trust me, L&K38s aren't as overpowered as you think they are.

And since when has any PSO game since v2 been even the least bit "challenging"?


No. There is a difference between making shitty rares better and handing out "uber" hack-weapons.

wow, um, might I add a few words here,

- this arguement is going no where.

putting it blunt, if anyone were to continue this arguement, it would be a waist of time.
considering no one is going to change anyones opinion on why they think blue burst is this or that based on what BB has done.

get technical all you want. but its not going to change ones opinion.

[Meyfei]

Just looking for opinions, and a few friendly debates.

Another thing some should have noticed is graphics/quality of weapons.

Flowens sword is the best example. Atleast for me, the BB version is like a changing colored clay incased in glass. as GC its a transparent blade with changing colors

Blueburst Flowens:[spoiler-box] http://www.pso-world.com/images/items/BB-FLOWENS_SWORD-ACTION-2.png [/spoiler-box]

Gamecube Flowens: [spoiler-box] http://www.pso-world.com/images/items/flowens_sword_auw_3064_1.jpg [/spoiler-box]

[ZER0 DX]

Just looking for opinions, and a few friendly debates.

Another thing some should have noticed is graphics/quality of weapons.

Flowens sword is the best example. Atleast for me, the BB version is like a changing colored clay incased in glass. as GC its a transparent blade with changing colors

Blueburst Flowens:[spoiler-box] http://www.pso-world.com/images/items/BB-FLOWENS_SWORD-ACTION-2.png [/spoiler-box]

Gamecube Flowens: [spoiler-box] http://www.pso-world.com/images/items/flowens_sword_auw_3064_1.jpg [/spoiler-box]


Turn on Advanced Effects, with it off you're basically loading GC's split screen mode textures for weapons and water effects.


Also stat changes are never happening by the way. The changes we did make really aren't as bad as you people are making it out to be.

[DuRaL]

PSO BB would be my favourite if it was released for Gamecube back in 2005/2006 with character transfer and running on the same servers as PSO I&II

but i just don't like PC gameing, even tho i have a Gamecube Controller adapter for PC..

oh, and i haven't played BB since the new "updates" came out, but i hate how never say the name! behaves as if PSO was their own game, it's just ridiculous..
i want to play PSO, not HackStarOnlineDeluxe++ ^^;

so yeah, GC version for me =)

EDIT: PSO GC has a nicer community, too, in my opinion
but that's probably because PSO BB is freely available for no money at all, whereas you need some quite expensive equip to connect online with the gamecube ^_~

[Meyfei]

but i hate how never say the name! behaves as if PSO was their own game, it's just ridiculous.
Agreed http://www.pso-world.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif


PSO GC has a nicer community, too, in my opinion
but that's probably because PSO BB is freely available for no money at all, whereas you need some quite expensive equip to connect online with the gamecube ^_~

I'd actually be willing to connect to PSO-GC online sometime, but it'd only be to get some unobtainable items. Like a certain sword, and ofcourse a Cmode group (if it's availible for GC-Online, guessing it is.) then it'd be to download some decent, non-BS quests. and back to offline i go.

[DreXxiN]

PSOBB really sucks because forces should only be SDJZ and Resta bitches and suck at everything else in episode 1 and 2. Why did they boost FO's? I wanted to be a bitch on my nuking FOnewm for the rest of my life.

[cApNhOwDy]

PSO:BB FTW!

[Kyrith_Ranger_Pso]

PSOBB really sucks because forces should only be SDJZ and Resta bitches and suck at everything else in episode 1 and 2. Why did they boost FO's?

wut do u mean boosted FOs?

[DC_PLAYER]

Server goes down

BB players: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
GC players: found phonton drop today


Server alters enemy stats to the insanity

BB players: we hate it, can't kill them
Gc players: hildetorr droped me another phonton drop

PSO BB offers quality and it's an easy to set up game, but unfortunatly needs a server and that's the best and the worst of pso bb, you are never in control of your game, the server let's you borrow a char and you need to obey the rules, so by playing you accept these changes, if you don't then it's better to move somewhere else.

[Freeze]

That's why as much as I don't like some of the changes they've made I try not to complain. I play more for the friends I play with than the game itself.

[Meyfei]

what do you mean boosted FOs?

recently they "Unlocked" the forces tech damage, basically a level 140 FO (+/- a few levels) can solo ultimate TTF with ease, ofcourse if they are equipped well enough for bonuses and such.

Also, next on their list of changes is to balance out the episode 4 enemy elemental weaknesses.

[DC_PLAYER]

Because using a char that didn't miss, had high range attacks and had 360 degree range attacks was hard to use, especially because casting techs involves button smash.

What a hard job that must be. -__-

Next hunt on mah force, a hit % psycowand, because the older one missed alot.

[ViewtifulJoe]

wow, um, might I add a few words here,

- this arguement is going no where.

putting it blunt, if anyone were to continue this arguement, it would be a waist of time.
considering no one is going to change anyones opinion on why they think blue burst is this or that based on what BB has done.

get technical all you want. but its not going to change ones opinion.

Man, there's always one of you whenever people are arguing. What happened to you that caused you to be so cynical about arguments?

1st: Sometimes people do change their opinions. We hold different beliefs at various levels of importance, and the difference between BB and GC PSO is called an "inconsequential belief," which isn't to say it's pointless, but it's not something you hold so strongly you can never change your mind.

2nd: Even if an argument doesn't cause someone to switch sides to the other person's side, they might notice in the opposing argument an element of truth and improve or modify their own position to make it more consistent or accurate. Maybe the other person pointed out a minor flaw in the other's position.

3rd: More people are affected by an argument than the participants. As a spectator who is not familiar with BB, I find this informative, probably more so than if someone were to simply explain to me the differences between both games, because this way more subtleties of the two games are explored.

[DreXxiN]

BB players: we hate it, can't kill them

Christmas Fiasco is soloable if you are good, even with the new enemies.

[DuRaL]

I'd actually be willing to connect to PSO-GC online sometime, but it'd only be to get some unobtainable items. Like a certain sword, and ofcourse a Cmode group (if it's availible for GC-Online, guessing it is.) then it'd be to download some decent, non-BS quests. and back to offline i go.
you won't be able to ever quit the online mode after you've played it once!! ><

and yea, Challenge mode exists on Gamecube, both for ep1 and ep2.
i've heared it's harder than on PSOBB, too, but idk if that has to do with the "new changes", or if Sega made it easier for BB..