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Kyrith_Ranger_Pso
Jan 4, 2010, 05:26 PM
do u think that when psu dies the certain server host or any other will make a PSU private server?

Wintermute0
Jan 4, 2010, 05:34 PM
I think it's likely.

TwistedDragon
Jan 4, 2010, 06:05 PM
The main private server has one for PSO why wouldnt they make one for psu.

D1ABOLIK
Jan 4, 2010, 08:44 PM
I think its a given

ZER0 DX
Jan 5, 2010, 03:22 AM
No, we won't have one for various reasons that I can't explain in detail here.

Keilyn
Jan 5, 2010, 07:00 AM
do u think that when psu dies the certain server host or any other will make a PSU private server?

I would ^^ I have more people who play my RYL server simultaneously than people who play this game. Unfortunately, taking in such a responsibility to a game that while patched to some degree still has cheats means that I'm always on Caernevaron looking for Cheater on both sides...

So I don't have much of a chance to enjoy the game than dealing with the server, database and other functions as well as the moderation group....So I play PSU and Guild Wars to have a break from all of that....including my job...

Its the reason why I'm up at odd hours and I can't make 1000s of post in this forum so I have to think about many things.

Tek[+]Lok
Jan 5, 2010, 07:14 AM
Unless sega just gives us a public client for private PSU servers I doubt anyone is going to care enough to create one from scratch. From what I've heard the PSU server program is more complex than what PSO had.

Enlightenment
Jan 5, 2010, 07:19 AM
It won't happen. The PSO server was easy to implement because so much was handled client side. Perhaps the hackers don't even have the crypto worked out for PSU. I've seen little to indicate that any of the PSU hacking is any more than people messing around with cheat engines.

AOI_Tifa_Lockhart
Jan 5, 2010, 07:21 AM
Who knows? But i've been hearing rumours on the pso private server for months that they were attempting a PSU version, could just be hearsay but I'm sure someone will do it eventually, whether or not its known about by the masses of psu fans is another story..

Funny how the free server pso has a bigger community than the current PC/PS2 PSU lol, well ok its a shame but its just nice to see when a games taken out of segas hands and made free people love it :P

Tifa

Keilyn
Jan 5, 2010, 08:56 AM
The entire model of charging money for a subscription is something of a grand failure...It actually does economic damage to the gaming industry overall...I am going to paraphrase what the creators of the game guild wars said in regards to the subject:


"Subscription fees prevent online games from reaching their full potential. A gamer makes a choice of a marrying a game through a subscription fee and at the end of each month must make the choice to stay in or divorce the game for another. In such case leaving means the gamer loses everything. MMOs benefit from as many people joining the community as possible. The Gaming Industry benefits most from gamers immersing themselves in as many games as possible. A subscription fee forces a gamer to play one game within one genre at the cost of enjoying others. A gamer can play our game and pick up or put down anytime without fear of losing money if they don't continuously play. We don't feel a gamer under pressure from the start can realize their potential.

Developers suffer the most as such system means a developer will not make sales on a sequel due to players paying and working hard in their current game. Gamers do not want to pay for multiple games simultaneously nor should they have to. Our guarantee is to deliver games without subscription fees and deliver the best experience as possible.

If Phantasy Star Universe was free to play, I would be a lot happier....because it means I don't have to make a hurtful choice whether I should renew or not each time my subscription runs out.

Some claim that it is selfishness to not renew and assist the community. True selfishness is supporting a system where you must sacrifice exposing yourself to many games in favor of exposing yourself to one simply because you are paying for it and making the excuse you shouldn't have to play other games because you pay for one....

One game does not make the gaming industry. The more games you play, the more income it generates for the industry and the more memories and gaming experiences you acquire...^_^

If every MMO game was free to play online, you would see true competition. Companies would have to actually make good updates and good content and they would have to fight with each other for you to continually playing, but each gamer out there would be able to play 4 - 5 different MMOs easilly without having to spend a small fortune each month...and that would be great than feeling elite along with a placebo effect in belief that paying money to subscribe to a game makes a game good when it actually does more harm than good.

stinkyfish97
Jan 5, 2010, 09:04 AM
The major problem I have with phantasy star and is that the so called new material is all already done and has been done for like months and months now. Why not just release it, I dont even care make us pay for it just give it to us and then kill the damn subscription fee.

Delete
Jan 5, 2010, 09:12 AM
It is likely, there's always gonna be at least a few people who will want to play Psu for the rest of there lives (no sarcasm indicated).

AOI_Tifa_Lockhart
Jan 5, 2010, 09:41 AM
I agree keilyn, just look at the population size of the free to play PSU 360 demo its ridiculously big

Tifa

stinkyfish97
Jan 5, 2010, 11:08 AM
yeah and only about 3/4 of them spam stuff from porn, to Im selling my kidneys. lol.

Keilyn
Jan 5, 2010, 12:28 PM
I agree keilyn, just look at the population size of the free to play PSU 360 demo its ridiculously big

Tifa

The thing about MMOs which bothers people is the fact you have to pay twice to put the product into use. First one purchases the product. Most of the time the product is useless on its own. One can install and run the product and get nothing out of it until a player buys a subscription and pays a fee.

Lets not forget other fees apply if you have your own place to live. Computers and Consoles don't power themselves. Just possession of either means you pay more for electricity. We also have to pay for our internet connections.

If you are a console gamer you have to pay for more memory cards, controllers and add-ons at times. If you are a PC gamer, you have to pay your own maintenance costs (either by maintenance time in hours or by costs in money or both). The output device (your TV or Computer Monitor also costs you money in electricity and maintenance as I've had PC monitors burn out on me before as well as video cards) costs money too to maintain. If you are a Xbox360 Gamer, you have to pay for XboxLive as well.

Let's not forget the actual cost of the consoles and computers themselves and what it takes to get started....It costs a small fortune and no one wants to buy an Entertainment product just to be told they have to continuously pay money each month to be able to use it.

Finally, lets not forget on top of most fees you have to pay taxes as well.

stinkyfish97
Jan 5, 2010, 12:33 PM
Actually I have to correct you on one thing. You do not need xbox live to play this game online. Most people do pay for xbox live though. You only have to pay the 10 bucks a month and have a silver subscription I believe.

Professor Xavier
Jan 5, 2010, 06:48 PM
When and if PSU is taken offline we loose our characters PAs and all items. I would hope PSU would be free to play for anyone who has 1 year paid playtime. Then anyone else would just have to have a total of 1 year paid playtime to play for free. The money from the newer players could be used to keep the servers running. Either that or they could charge anyone with 1 year paid half price. I do think when they do start talking about ending PSU we as a community should consider what it would take to buy the right to play a game we bought anyway. Private servers or something. There is not a very long offline mode of PSU to play.

Realistically I dont feel they will shut down the servers until they have another pay for play Phantasy Star game come out.

For me the end of PSU is a long way off. I really only want to cross that bridge when I come to it.

Anon_Fire
Jan 5, 2010, 07:40 PM
In case you guys may have forgotten, here's what Clumsyorchid had to say when he announced PSOBB's shutdown.


I've drafted up a brief explanation that covers the why concerns for the game closure. The reason for closing ultimately falls on two core reasons:

1. PSOBB is not making any money, in fact Phantasy Star Universe is the only reason it has been going as long as it has. Even with the lack of updates (no development, localization, or management costs), the server and bandwidth costs exceed the amount of money generated by paying subscribers.

2. Persistent billing issues and server timeouts (error 906, etc) cannot be resolved by our billing server team. We've been working on them for months and they simply cannot be resolved, I would go into more detail, but the end result will always be the same.

As a company offering a subscription-based service, we cannot charge people for a broken service, and we can't offer a free service without offsetting the cost. The sad result is a closure of the game.

I worked hands on with this process from beginning to end, and was very vocal about getting a resolution in that would benefit players as a whole. Unfortunately, I could not sway people past the numbers and, in fairness, they had a very tough decision to make.

So, I think that this may be the same way with PSU, after they announce it's closure, They'll give us Increased EXP and Drop Rates during it's last moments.

Ceresa
Jan 5, 2010, 07:48 PM
The thing about MMOs which bothers people is the fact you have to pay twice to put the product into use. First one purchases the product. Most of the time the product is useless on its own. One can install and run the product and get nothing out of it until a player buys a subscription and pays a fee.

Lets not forget other fees apply if you have your own place to live. Computers and Consoles don't power themselves. Just possession of either means you pay more for electricity. We also have to pay for our internet connections.

If you are a console gamer you have to pay for more memory cards, controllers and add-ons at times. If you are a PC gamer, you have to pay your own maintenance costs (either by maintenance time in hours or by costs in money or both). The output device (your TV or Computer Monitor also costs you money in electricity and maintenance as I've had PC monitors burn out on me before as well as video cards) costs money too to maintain. If you are a Xbox360 Gamer, you have to pay for XboxLive as well.

Let's not forget the actual cost of the consoles and computers themselves and what it takes to get started....It costs a small fortune and no one wants to buy an Entertainment product just to be told they have to continuously pay money each month to be able to use it.

Finally, lets not forget on top of most fees you have to pay taxes as well.

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FOnewearl-Lina
Jan 5, 2010, 08:10 PM
The thing about MMOs which bothers people is the fact you have to pay twice to put the product into use. First one purchases the product. Most of the time the product is useless on its own. One can install and run the product and get nothing out of it until a player buys a subscription and pays a fee.

Lets not forget other fees apply if you have your own place to live. Computers and Consoles don't power themselves. Just possession of either means you pay more for electricity. We also have to pay for our internet connections.

If you are a console gamer you have to pay for more memory cards, controllers and add-ons at times. If you are a PC gamer, you have to pay your own maintenance costs (either by maintenance time in hours or by costs in money or both). The output device (your TV or Computer Monitor also costs you money in electricity and maintenance as I've had PC monitors burn out on me before as well as video cards) costs money too to maintain. If you are a Xbox360 Gamer, you have to pay for XboxLive as well.

Let's not forget the actual cost of the consoles and computers themselves and what it takes to get started....It costs a small fortune and no one wants to buy an Entertainment product just to be told they have to continuously pay money each month to be able to use it.

Finally, lets not forget on top of most fees you have to pay taxes as well.
You have to pay taxes?! NO WAY!!


One of the things that Ford Prefect had always found hardest to understand about human beings was their habit of continually stating and restating the very, very obvious. As in: "It's a nice day," or "You're very tall," or "So this is it. We're going to die."

Keilyn
Jan 5, 2010, 11:10 PM
Anon...That is a cloak and dagger response from Clumsyorchid.

If I could run a server with an in-game donation banner on a dual bonded FIOS connection and have 3000 - 5000 people registered and usually 1000+ people online at the same time.....simply asking for a donation of around $200 a month for the server and maintenance cost and back then I got over $1000 when I ran such servers....

...then Clumsyorchid can go suck it ok. A lot of F2P servers ask for minor donations and are hosted by 1 - 2 people and usually a moderation team from the players is made with donations asked to maintain servers and if the service is good and server is stable usually one meets the montly quota needed in the first few days of the month.

So I really do not want to hear anymore of ClumsyOrchids and his pleas when anyone who knows their grain of salt of knowledge knows that non-official servers tend to be ran better than official servers....and these kids and adults who run them make the money needed and put those large companies to shame.