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[Yoite]

anyways i was wondering why slicers are made for Hunewearl or atleast thats what people say if it were made for themm but why do they have a rika suit and rika claw specifically made for that class o 0 and for hunewms dont have a specific equipment the only equipment that i can see is noble cloak but it doesnt even have a evasion set the only set i can see is the shinobi suit but its for slicers idk this whole thing confuses me and especially chato i know for a fact its made for the hunter newmans i just dont know how to put it into effect T-T...im not sAYing they have to be made that way im just saying bc it shows obvious resemblence with the characters...To you this maybe just rambling but can anyone give some info about this im soo confused

[sylwyn]

Rika was a female "numan" (now changed to newman) in phantasy star 3 and in the past series there were no great male newmans that were accountable.

[Vayne]

Slicers go well with HUnewmen/wearls because of their higher MST than other Hunters. They can focus on melee with Slicers and still do decent damage.

[Allison_W]

Actually the best slicer wielder is the FOmarl. Jus' sayin'.

Other than that, forces in general will perform better with slicers against bosses, due to the fact that ATA hardly matters there, but MST still does. Against normal enemies, I'm not sure whether newman Hunters or newman Forces are better--newman Forces have deficient ATA, but newman Hunters have deficient MST by comparison. (I still maintain that FOmarls are better than either, especially with a Shinobi Suit and a Kouga Shuriken, which does a lot to offset the lower ATA.)

[Tamlin42]

Perhaps I can help a little?

The discussion about which character is the "best" slicer depends entirely on what your definition of a slicer is. Basically, the players that decide a HUnewearl is the "best" slicer figure that a proper slicer is a character that uses a Slicer ALL the time against EVERY Hostile and hits almost EVERY throw for decent damage. Those that decide a FOmarl is the "best" want a character that uses a Slicer ALL the time and hits MOST throws for good damage. Those that believe a FOnewearl is the "best" look at what she can do with a Slicer against a Boss Hostile. See the difference? (Its a bit more complicated than that, though, because most people carry more than one weapon and a Force also tends to carry an Attack Technique or two and/or a Buff Technique or two.)

In their arguments, they "run the numbers" after making a REALLY big assumption: We're going to compare lv100 characters trying to hit "regular" non-boss hostiles with a nice Slicer while playing Super Hard mode ON-line. You've noticed that the hostiles ON-line are tougher than those you meet OFF-line in Story Mode, yes? Well, people have done some experiments and found that you need about 450ATA to hit a "regular" hostile almost every time in Super Hard mode while on-line. They then calculate what each character's ATA and MST would be and compare them. (This is why the FOmarl tends to win because she can use 100 Mind materials, carry a Hit Mag, consistantly hit Hostiles with a Slicer, AND can lob lv15 attack Techniques at Hostiles when necessary, AND can fully heal the party with Resta15 without swapping weapons or making pallet changes even in Super Hard mode On-Line.)

But what if you don't have a lv100 character? Or you don't play Super Hard On-Line? They're only comparing high end characters in the worst case scenario and ONLY with slicers. True, you may eventually get a character that high and you should be aware that On-Line is different from Story Mode and Super Hard mode is WAY more difficult than Hard which is more difficult than Normal.

I believe that you should pick a character that fits YOUR play style. When I was just starting out I too read all the discussions about which character was the "best", got really confused, and ended up picking what was most popular. NONE of those characters worked for me. Eventually, I learned enough about the game and each weapon by trying stuff out for myself until I was able to pick characters that *I* enjoyed playing. I had to delete all THREE of my original choices to do it, though. :-)

The good news is that the game designers have cleverly made the game so different people can use the same characters in different ways. If you want to use a HUnewearl as a Slicer, you can. If you prefer to use one with a really big sword, or daggers, or claws... you can do that instead. If you want a Force with a Slicer, you can have one. If you prefer smacking stuff with Photon Arts, you can do that. If you want to Nuke stuff with Techniques, you can do that too.

As for stuff like Rika's Claw, Rika's Suit, Shinobi, Suit, Shuriken... The game designers also tossed in some nifty goodies with nice bonuses if you can find a complete set. If you REALLY like Claws and HUnewearls, you can get a Rika's Claw and Rika's Suit. The set will give some extra EVP and ATP which helps her kill stuff faster. If you REALLY like Slicers, you can get a Shuriken and a Shinobi Suit. The set will give an extra 50ATA which can REALLY help your character hit stuff. If you don't, don't worry about it. The reason everyone is talking about this stuff is because its REALLY hard to find and everyone seems to want one. (If only to see what all the fuss is about.) So anyone that has one can trade it for something really nice or use it themselves.

As for Chato, its actually for anyone who wants a Power Mag that looks like a cute Fox and/or has Flozir as a Photon Blast. ANYONE using a Hunter or Ranger character probably wants to do more damage. (There are other ways to build a Hunter or Ranger, though.) If they like Foxes or Flozir, they'll make a Chato.

So don't worry about it. Pick a character that you think will be fun. Try all the weapon types that character can use and see what you prefer. Watch what others are using On-Line and see if you like that better than what you're using. If your current character can't do what you want, make another and try again. Eventually, you'll have one or two that you REALLY like using.

[Opodomus]

A FOmar/FOmarl actually wouldn't even need a hit mag. Both have a bit over 200 ATA. If you manage to get that Shuriken combo and your weapon has a bit of hit you can hit 450! Good luck finding those items though :D

[rhubarbot]

450 is way, way too low of an ATA value for SH. Each level has several enemy types that require an ATA in the 500+ range before you start connecting with a majority of your hits. Only once you hit like 530+ will misses become rare against all mob types. And that's just with normal attack; even with 580+ ATA you will still see the occasional miss when using heavy attack on the first or second hit in a combo.

If you really want to use slicers against normal mobs, it's better to use an ATA mag and cut out maybe 20 points of damage per hit, versus missing like 50% of the time and cutting your DPS accordingly. One can always swap to a MST mag for bosses.

But be prepared to be disappointed with slicers' performance in SH. I had a slicer-oriented FOmarl as my first high-level character and thought my damage was awesome. Then I leveled up a hunter.........

[AFCOldman]

On my FOmarl in SH I usually just use tech's, even though I wield a Slicer it misses most enemies half of the time (depends on the enemy obviously), so with tech's I do more damage consistantly. Slicers are great for bosses though, never misses, and with Bright Sign and % it does mad damage.

[Tamlin42]

Shoot. rhubarbot is correct. I MEANT 550 and wrote 450. Thanks for the correction.

[Tamlin42]

Thanks to Tizerak's prodding, I FINALLY figured out where some of the confusion is coming from.

Techniques don't miss provided you aim them right. You can hold down the left shoulder button to try and maintain Lock On vs a mobile Hostile.

IF you use a Slicer with Normal attacks, 450 ATA will allow you hit about 9 out of 10 times even on Super Hard mode while On-Line. *I* consider that good enough. rhubarbot suggests 500 ATA because he wants to hit more often than that.

IF you want to hit with a Slicer with Heavy attacks almost ALL the time while playing Super Hard mode On-Line, you'll need 550 ATA.

It all comes down to what sort of attack you're making under what conditions and what percentage of misses you're willing to accept. In any case, try a Slicer, see if you like it. If you're missing too much, try using a 99+ Hit Mag and adding Hit units to your armor until you are hitting as often as you want.

Sorry for the confusion.