View Full Version : Best Gunner Race
Sinikal
01-21-2010, 02:18 PM
Ive heard back and fourth disputes that Beasts are better Gunners than CASTS. With same level EVERYTHING Beast will out damage a CAST but CASTS have better Accuracy.
Does accuracy help the chances of hitting higher lvl creature for SOME damage opposed to just dishing out 0's? If that's the case, IMO accuracy would be more beneficial for being able to do more DMG to creatures lvling up.
WHO IS THE BETTER GUNNER?! :-? :-P
DragonStriker
01-21-2010, 02:27 PM
CASTs are quite simply the superior race for all but 2 types Masterforce and Fortecher, it's due to the overpower of the SUV. Everything you heard is just quite simply wrong if you are talking pure speed and damage. CASTs have great accuracy and the SUV just destroys Beasts. I can assure you, go CAST and you won't regret it if you are looking for optimal output.
stinkyfish97
01-21-2010, 03:09 PM
There are very few situations where beast outdoes a cast, and that is when you come up against enemies who take half damage to bullets, that is the only place that beast form comes in handy. Other than that cast outdoes beast in most catagories. Really though you cannot go wrong with either class because both are way overpowered.
For me Protranser is a little broken on both classes, and that is why I play as a beast PT, although you will notice an acc. problem at times, against deljabans in particular, the class is a little broken because EX traps charge your SUV/Nanoblast, I can run into a room and drop 2 EX traps and that is half my Nanoblast right there.
Other than that as a beast GM is a little more balanced but the game is out of balance so I would stick to Cast.
Max B
01-21-2010, 04:19 PM
I play Beast gunner.
DragonStriker
01-21-2010, 05:01 PM
I play Beast gunner.
That doesn't make it better than CAST. There's a reason the top teams in the Gurhalian Cup are all CAST, if you don't believe me watch who wins for both servers because it's going to be CASTs.
Max B
01-21-2010, 05:41 PM
That doesn't make it better than CAST. There's a reason the top teams in the Gurhalian Cup are all CAST, if you don't believe me watch who wins for both servers because it's going to be CASTs.
Just because it is better for racing does not mean it is the class everone should play as.I prefer beast because playing as a Gm it gives me the option to have a striking weapon when I solo
Somnia
01-21-2010, 09:31 PM
Just because it is better for racing does not mean it is the class everone should play as.I prefer beast because playing as a Gm it gives me the option to have a striking weapon when I solo
This thread is about the Best race. The OP wants to know the best, which is CAST. This is a fact that is not up for debate.
neilp4453
01-22-2010, 12:43 AM
Level up your bullets; accuracy starts not to matter.
SUV>Nanoblast
Beast will outperform Cast shot for shot.
SUV is too great to not use a cast. I never nanoblast because I can pump more damage in normal form. SUV can clear rooms within seconds.
Max B
01-22-2010, 10:48 AM
This thread is about the Best race. The OP wants to know the best, which is CAST. This is a fact that is not up for debate.
I never said beast was a beter reace learn to read thoroughly before you post.
stinkyfish97
01-22-2010, 01:51 PM
I wonder what will happen once they nerf the Paridi? I still dont think the population will switch over to beast. The population used to be like 1human to every 3 newmans to every 5 beast to every 6 cast.
Now the ratios are closer to 1 human to every 2 beasts to every 4 newmans to every 15000 cast. Jk but you can see where I am going there is a very uneven ratio of casts to the rest of the classes, hopefully they get completly nerfed. Casts suck.
Max B
01-22-2010, 03:52 PM
I wonder what will happen once they nerf the Paridi? I still dont think the population will switch over to beast. The population used to be like 1human to every 3 newmans to every 5 beast to every 6 cast.
Now the ratios are closer to 1 human to every 2 beasts to every 4 newmans to every 15000 cast. Jk but you can see where I am going there is a very uneven ratio of casts to the rest of the classes, hopefully they get completly nerfed. Casts suck.
lol I only have one cast and that is my fighter
I have two beasts because I have liked beasts better than casts since day one.
Also, once ank buti [b] comes out I am deleting my cast and Making another beast.
DragonStriker
01-22-2010, 07:50 PM
I wonder what will happen once they nerf the Paridi? I still dont think the population will switch over to beast. The population used to be like 1human to every 3 newmans to every 5 beast to every 6 cast.
Now the ratios are closer to 1 human to every 2 beasts to every 4 newmans to every 15000 cast. Jk but you can see where I am going there is a very uneven ratio of casts to the rest of the classes, hopefully they get completly nerfed. Casts suck.
You do understand that Paradi isn't as good as the higher * SUVs right? First of all the new SUVs come out almost exactly the same time as Paradi is nerfed. The only time Beasts will ever become comparable is when they do the Nanoblast rebalance.
stinkyfish97
01-22-2010, 08:32 PM
yeah well until we see those updates its all speculation. We might not last long enough to make it to see those updates.
stinkyfish97
01-22-2010, 09:10 PM
See I dont play beast for the Nanoblast, I pretty much play it how I pay my Human character except for a lot more ATP. With my LPC and lvl 40 shottie shots with a 10-10 pakudac my shottie is putting out anywhere from 899-1100 damage. My beast is a lvl 20 PT with lvl 40 shots and is only lvl 158. This is the reason I like beast I like being able to come into a party and put some nasty damage on creatures. People who say acc. doesnt matter are both right and wrong at the same time, they are right about it doesnt matter for most creatures, most creatures are either at or below our lvl and have crappy evasion, so acc. doesnt really matter. Places where acc. does matter is when you come up against high lvl monsters equal or higher to your own and with high evasion, such as deljabans, those bitches make me hit more zeros than I ever want to see.
Basically cast probably is the best race in the game for nearly every class you can even debate they are the best AT, because AT attack techs arent amazingly damaging and they have decent enough ATP and with those buffs will hit as hard as a GT. But I play beast simply because there are enough casts, and beasts still have incredibly high HP, I mean as a PT i am over 4100 HP and at 158, thats combined with my LHPR healing me for 200 each tick and only the random lvl 1 deljaban megid kills me now. lol.
Chuck_Norris
01-22-2010, 09:30 PM
ATA doesn't matter. Gunmaster has the highest ATA in the game, not to mention bullets raise that further. There's only like a 200 point difference between beast GM and CAST GM's ATA. Beast will do more damage with their guns, yes, but CAST is superior because of the brokenness that is SUV.
Hrith
01-23-2010, 06:26 AM
ATA doesn't matter.Proportionally, more than ATP.
There's only like a 200 point difference between beast GM and CAST GM's ATA.It's actually 400.
I have a cast female and a beast male both at Lv170/20 GM. The difference in ATA matters more than the difference in ATP.
So yeah, the accuracy makes the cast the highest-DPS race as Gunmaster, by a clear amount, too.
Beasts with shotguns or lasers miss so much, and they are the most powerful weapons. Makes me lol every time I see a retard using L/KK on beast GM.
WHlTEKNIGHT
01-23-2010, 08:13 AM
If you have a beast gm with leveled bullets it will not matter if you use a l/kk.
The only retards are the people that dont use them on a gm.
War Upon God
01-24-2010, 02:35 PM
There is no "best" race, they all have their ups and downs to different aspects, if you take out the SUV and NANO then beast are better GM's and i believe that was the question, If you add the SUV and NANO then yeah the Casts win, because it is extremely overpowered in comparison to the NANO, but as i said in the aspect of only using your weapons beasts dish out more damage, and at higher levels the accuracy isn't much of a problem, being a gunner class you get great accuracy and if your a high level your bullets should be leveled up enough to counteract some of the decrease as of being a beast.
Roberto14
02-18-2010, 11:33 PM
ive tried fortegunner and also gunmaster and hitting zeros piss me off lmao with my beast 163
Scared for Tomorrow
03-22-2010, 05:18 AM
EDIT: DELETED SORRY!
Yusaku_Kudou
03-22-2010, 08:16 AM
Well, if it means anything, my character is stricly a newman GM (170/20). I only did MAG+ the first week with a time of 12:05 or so, though I imagine I could have gotten it down to 10:00-10:30 if I kept it up with the tricks my friends were doing to get time down better (buffs at start comes to mind), yet I still ended up at 112th place, ahead of every human and far ahead beyond any other newman (none other was a gunmaster as far as I can tell), and ahead of all but a few beasts (maybe 2 or 3). Sadly, that was my last hurrah for PSU, as I have moved on back to FFXI.
Edit: I take that back, my good friend Natuho was also on the list as a newman. I will have to ask him what his type was. He has all of the types maxed at 20 on his newman! Placed at 64.
Chuck_Norris
03-23-2010, 09:58 AM
Proportionally, more than ATP.
It's actually 400.
I have a cast female and a beast male both at Lv170/20 GM. The difference in ATA matters more than the difference in ATP.
So yeah, the accuracy makes the cast the highest-DPS race as Gunmaster, by a clear amount, too.
Beasts with shotguns or lasers miss so much, and they are the most powerful weapons. Makes me lol every time I see a retard using L/KK on beast GM.
I quite rarely miss on my Beast GM. The simple fact is that both CAST and Beast GM's can miss all five shots on a shotgun at relatively the same rate, therefore making it useless. 400 ATA is really not a lot when you have 2K+ ATA anyway. Besides, you can always shoot from behind to completely ignore ATA in general.
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