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Brundidge

02-28-2003, 02:51 PM

RAmarl has pretty good stats (especially evasion, highest of all classes I think) and isn't very far from a RAmar. Though RAmar has higher ATP and ATA than a RAmarl, she makes it up with more MST and lvl 20 techs. Also another plus is that her ATP isn't that far away from a RAmar. You will benefit the lvl 20 shifta/deband for a RAmarl rather than a lvl 15 shifta/deband from a RAmar.

I personally like the RAmarl because I'm able to effectively play support and long range combat. Plus RAmarls are hella sexy http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

Xaveria

02-28-2003, 02:54 PM

RAmarls are hella sexy http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

good point http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif lol

Roy_Mediab

02-28-2003, 02:57 PM

i always found rangers the best and most fun to be on the DC version, the long range just seems invaluble!

ShieldDragon

02-28-2003, 02:58 PM

RAmarls also hold their pistol gangsta style. You can't beat that.

goaliedude10

02-28-2003, 03:06 PM

RAmar...
If I wanted to cast lots of techs, I would play as my force...

Elusive_Llama

02-28-2003, 03:08 PM

>lvl 20 shifta must be ownage

Yes, it is. Adds 35% of base ATP, booyah. Ramars don't get jellen/zalure, so if the ramarl throws in a level 20 zalure, she can do even more damage.

Why do ramarls have to wear pantaloons though?? Come on...anime-ish girls with guns, and they're not wearing skimpy battle bikinis! How many 'girls with guns' anime do you see where the girls in question are wearing pantaloons? grr..

Roy_Mediab

02-28-2003, 03:15 PM

are the pantaloons the strange trouser things?

goaliedude10

02-28-2003, 03:27 PM

Keep in mind that there technically is no best class.

Elusive_Llama

02-28-2003, 03:29 PM

Hunnies and Ramarls don't need to cast techs like Forces do. All they need is to turn on S/D at all times, and have Resta/Anti/Jellen ready to cast at a moment's notice. Attack techs are almost never used with these classes, which mean less tp used.

Toyzferall

02-28-2003, 03:55 PM

Where's all the RAcast love? o.o;;

Xaveria

02-28-2003, 04:06 PM

a racast cant really compete with lvl 15 or 20 s/d can it?
also resta http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

Whatley

02-28-2003, 04:11 PM

I say RAcast.

They have the highest HP and ATP of all the rangers. You don't have to worry about techs or getting paralysed or poisoned. You can see and set traps. Plus you can regenerate HP while standing still. Your hp will regenerate faster as you go up in levels.

As for S/D, just make a mag that has the twins as one of it's PBs and equip a PB unit.

MadCowChuck_

02-28-2003, 08:21 PM

I gotta go with the funky stylings of the RAmar on this one! He was my primary character, and like you, before I got the game I went over RAmar vs. RAmarl (b/c I didn't like the no-tech crap at the time http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif).

Really, RAmarls early game will be hurting for ATP. RAmars, compared to their droid bretheren, will also be low on ATP very early, but with time they do pummel marls in that area (this kinda thing really depends on weaponry, though).

The ATA RAmars get is invaulable, as well, since the farther you get from an enemy, the less accurate the shot becomes. High ATA will compensate, and they will equip weapons earlier.

As far as techs go...attack techs with either class will be ineffective in Ultimate...RAmarls will always have an advantage here, but it really goes either way. If you want techniques so bad...why wouldn't you have a FOrce or party with a FOrce? Your concern should be shooting crap.

And the higher DFP/EVP...if you're playing the RAnger right, you'll rarely every need these!

But, like it's been said millions of times before...there is no "best" character.

Moleman

02-28-2003, 08:42 PM

I'm not big on rangers, but I try to play as each class at least sometimes. I've only used a RaMarl, but I like what I had going, even though I only got her to level 6.

wizkid357

03-01-2003, 01:15 PM

RAmarl even if i`m a boy I agree.

fyrewyre

03-01-2003, 11:20 PM

I'd have to go with Racast. having the most hp in the game, the most atp of rangers and having stats that can blow out a hucast (except power) your are a walking tank..did i mention high def+hp? you cant fo wrong with that. we all know who owns who here http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif
I better stand still for my 5hp pts a sec.

SnAPPUrU-nyan-ko

03-01-2003, 11:28 PM

RAcaeasl if you have a french maid fetish =^.-=

TeamPhalanx

03-02-2003, 07:43 AM

RAcast. It's nearly impossible to kill one at a high level. His ATA is low, but is still good enough for Ultimate Seabed.

The only thing RAmarl has going for her is level 20 S/D. Her attack techs aren't effective since her MST growth is rather slow - And what RAnger would use techs instead of guns? Same goes with J/Z. You have to get close to enemies (under shot range) to use those, and, again, if you're using a gun, why would you purposely go close to an enemy?

Mystil

03-02-2003, 08:05 AM

On 2003-02-28 12:58, ShieldDragon wrote:
RAmarls also hold their pistol gangsta style. You can't beat that.

You noticed that to? I thought that was SO RAD! The only drawback with RAmarls is the damage they deal. But the high evasion allows them to take a beating, and that's what I like in a character.

As far as techs go...attack techs with either class will be ineffective in Ultimate...RAmarls will always have an advantage here, but it really goes either way. If you want techniques so bad...why wouldn't you have a FOrce or party with a FOrce? Your concern should be shooting crap.

The point of finding techs would be, if so? And yes, RAmarls are hurting REALLY bad for ATP early in the levels. Especially hurting for Resta. Luckily though...monomates(though I've noticed I've been finding more Trimates than anything, why is that?) are more easier to come across.

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rena-ko

03-02-2003, 09:43 AM

RAcaseal... she can set traps... she can see traps... she doesn't need any techs...

Malkavian

03-02-2003, 10:16 AM

RAcast!!! IS the truly strong and resistent gun machine.

Zeebo

03-02-2003, 01:10 PM

RAmar because hes most balanced

Vantamiath

03-02-2003, 03:15 PM

On 2003-02-28 13:27, goaliedude10 wrote:
Keep in mind that there technically is no best class.

I think the argument can end right there.

Elusive_Llama

03-02-2003, 03:32 PM

Yes, pantaloons are the trouser things the ramarl has around her sexy legs.

The only thing RAmarl has going for her is level 20 S/D. Her attack techs aren't effective since her MST growth is rather slow - And what RAnger would use techs instead of guns? Same goes with J/Z. You have to get close to enemies (under shot range) to use those, and, again, if you're using a gun, why would you purposely go close to an enemy?

I would agree with you except for the abysmal range of the Spread Needle, which means rangers using this weapon have to be fairly close anyway, and certainly within range to drop a J/Z at a moment's notice (ie. when the enemies are all bunched up and temporarily can't get in close to smack you).

When Forces are in the team, the Ramarl/Hunny is not as important. When Forces aren't in the team, the Ramarl or Hunewearl suddenly become everybody's best friend.

TeamPhalanx

03-02-2003, 03:44 PM

That's assuming one chooses to use a SPREAD NEEDLE, or even have one in the first place.

HUnewearl has a lot more going for her than RAmarl - Mainly in the fact that she has to get close to enemies and thus takes pressure off of everyone else.

[ This Message was edited by: TeamPhalanx on 2003-03-02 13:45 ]

Mystil

03-03-2003, 07:58 AM

The Spread Needle is probably the lamest weapon in all of PSO. It makes playing the game for me rather boring(will never use it on a team).

Getting the pressure off everyone else? Eh?

Anyhow....it all boils down to how you use your character. I mean you don't necessarly have to use a Ranger like a 'Ranger'(heh if that made any sense), with enough DFP, you can find yourself fighting like a HUmar-newearl. Blah, whatever I suppose.(Some much for supporting rangers)

Ron

03-03-2003, 09:36 AM

Pantaloons? they look like normal military issued BDU(fatigues) pants to me O_o; sorry if its the same thing never heard my pants ever being called that XD

Elusive_Llama

03-03-2003, 10:49 AM

That's assuming one chooses to use a SPREAD NEEDLE, or even have one in the first place.

I got my Spread Needle from a trade, though I had to give up some decent items for it. I have heard, however, that it is not that hard to get. Seeing as Greennill gets them from Arlans, of which there are plenty in the Ruins, I think it is entirely possible to snag one with relative ease compared to some other rares I can mention. My Ramarl is almost to the Ruins offline, so I'll be testing this theory very shortly.

HUnewearl has a lot more going for her than RAmarl - Mainly in the fact that she has to get close to enemies and thus takes pressure off of everyone else.

Ramarl have Frozen Shooters/Snow Queens, Spread Needles' fast-firing knockbacks, and that paralyze special. With respect to those weapons, I can't think of a safer way to keep monsters from swarming the group other than killing them outright. I mean, sure, hunters can be meat shields, but wouldn't it be better if the monsters were all frozen/paralyzed?

I was using my Frozen last night in the Mines and I froze a Sinow Blue on the ceiling. Everybody just kind of went "...." and whipped out their ranged weaponry. After a few seconds of concentrated fire, the Sinow dropped from the ceiling like it normally does - and blew up on impact. It was classic ;>

ps. Spread Needles aren't lame or cheap. They're weak (+190 ATP) and have really short range even for a shotgun. They're still one of the best shot weapons for a ranger, but they're not 'unfair' weapons. You want unfair, try a FOnewm using a psychowand, red merge and spamming level 30 rafoies.

Lman90245

03-03-2003, 02:16 PM

I would have to say RAmar, because of the high ATA, trust me when I say that ATA is a big necessity in the game (most noteworthy ULTIMATE) they are pretty much the only ones that can get away with using nug in ult and actually hit things with it. besides my RAmar is maxed on atp and maxed on hp mats, uber poewrfull and in battles with the exception of magic almost never gets hit because of his really high defence.

Sorrow
RAmar
lvl 148
1304 hp (no hp slots)
1290 (base atp maxed)
with lvl 15 deband (1106 defence no slots)

Elusive_Llama

03-03-2003, 02:48 PM

Nice job on that Ramar. What is your ATP after level 15 shifta? Would it be around 1628, by any chance?

And did you feed him to the max with pow mats (until you reached your limit)?

I have only eaten one defense material on my Ramarl, and that was entirely by accident. I was trying to use trap vision and ended up eating the stupid thing..argh.

Her ATP is around 915 at level 122 and only because of the power mag I made (175 pow) and the two God/Powers I have equipped. I really should do some preplanning and feed her the right amount of mats now so I won't have to wait until level 200...lol.

Lman90245

03-03-2003, 02:57 PM

My atp with nug bazooka with level 30 shifta is around 2700+ atp
2700+ (1290)
but I like my s rank twin +250 even though its weaker then nug (more hits in a combo. and with my ranger its alot like a bkb)
lots of power mats and 3 g powers http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif and a level 200 sega saturn with 195 pow (hehe)

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TeamPhalanx

03-03-2003, 03:17 PM

SPREAD NEEDLE has a rather low rate of paralysis and FROZEN SHOOTER & SNOW QUEEN, while both are a God-send in Episode II, aren't that effective in Episode I stages, simply because there are too many enemies after you.

A HUnewearl with Deband and Jellen receives little to no damage getting hit. And, from the HUnter's point of view, you do not want (most) enemies to be frozen or paralyzed. You want most of them to be activate and running after you so you can hit 'em with your sword/partisan.

Lman90245

03-03-2003, 03:51 PM

On 2003-03-03 13:17, TeamPhalanx wrote:
SPREAD NEEDLE has a rather low rate of paralysis and FROZEN SHOOTER & SNOW QUEEN, while both are a God-send in Episode II, aren't that effective in Episode I stages, simply because there are too many enemies after you.

I think that Snow Queen and Frozen shooter are great in ep 1 and 2, in ult freezing those damn Indi Berla's is very nice. (and ob lillies, and gran scorc. and Baranz, and ANYTHING) The more baddies the better, snow queen fires liniar so it doesn't just freeze 1 it freezes lots, especially those in a line

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HC82

03-03-2003, 04:09 PM

Eh, you really have to seperate the bots from the human characters in terms of what you prefer in a ranger.

If there is a force on the team you have no need for level 15~20 techs. If there is NO force on the team RAmarl is the ovious choice.

RAmarl is better then RAmar if there is no force on the team. RAmar is more usefull online then a RAmarl if there is a force on the team. His higher ATA does make quite the difference in CCA and Seabed when it comes to connecting with normal hard hard hits.

When it comes to robots, they are built for online play. Don't play alot offline? Then choose a bot. RAcast ATA is still high, but when you use guns the futher away you are the lower your rate of connecting is. He can't use Snow queen as effectively as the other rangers in tougher stages.

With a Force on the team the RAcast is really a power house thanks to his superior ATP. Although he really can't perform normal, hard, hard hits on certain CCA and Seabed enemies, where as the RAmar can. Being a Ranger the Racast can shoot traps instantly, making him usefull. He can also shoot his own traps, detonating them quicker.

If you play with a Force on your team often then go RAcast or RAmar. If you join open games frequently and do a bit of offline go RAmarl.

While Iam on the topic of balance, high hit % mechs + a FO = Cheap way of dealing great damage. Easy to find and can give around +70~73 ATA with 50% hit vulcans(which can be bought from the store).

A bit overpowering in the hands of a racast since it compensates for his lower ATA, and since they hit 9 times hes getting more bang for his buck(due to his high atp). +5 ata for 5% hit is a bit too much. +3ata for 5% hit is more balanced.

Lman90245

03-03-2003, 04:16 PM

be a FO if you want high techs...

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Lman90245

03-03-2003, 04:20 PM

It all depends on how you shape your Ranger... I don't much like RAmarls cause of the low hp... olga and DF seem a bit harder for some reason ;p. Ramars have basic techs cept for J and Z I dont mind if it only goes to 15, if your a RAmarl you might as well change your mind and be a force... for level 30 techs not to mention grants and megid... If I were to remake my Character I would still be a RAmar... they also beat out RAmarls in terms of ATP.

Legolas07

03-03-2003, 07:51 PM

RAmar owns so much! I have a lvl 146 Ramar that has 1232 base atp and 238 base ata. 430 something def, and around 700 evp. Sure the mst sucks, but who cares? All I use techs for is Resta, anti, shifta, deband, and rafoie. Rafoie I use to get all the exp, and rabarta I use to freeze. I evade almost 100% of the time in ult forest and caves. I can evade attacks in ult mines quite well, but not ruins... lol. I actually use my RAmar as a hunter with victor axe, sbeat blades, twin blaze, twin brand, etc etc. Who needs to cast lvl 20 s d when you dont even need it at all?

RA-Novus

03-03-2003, 07:54 PM

RAmars are by far the best Ranger,besides RAmarls accuracy is low for a ranger and she is weak but higher techs (whoopie....)

Legolas07

03-03-2003, 07:56 PM

RA-Novus

03-03-2003, 08:02 PM

Did I mention I can get well over 3000 atp with a nice pb combo? I can easily hit 2000+ atp with any good s and d. With my Shifta i go near 1800 atp with my srank rifle, and i can easily go over 1000 def with my lvl 15 deband. Ramars rock! <- THAT Right there
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I've been a RAmar since the first day this came out for Gamecube , Tried other characters after game corrupted a few times -_- didn't like em.

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TeamPhalanx

03-03-2003, 08:11 PM

On 2003-03-03 17:54, RA-Novus wrote:
...besides RAmarls accuracy is low for a ranger...

Eh? Did I miss something here? (As in RAmarl having 2nd best ATA in the game)

Mystil

03-03-2003, 08:34 PM

On 2003-03-03 17:54, RA-Novus wrote:
RAmars are by far the best Ranger,besides RAmarls accuracy is low for a ranger and she is weak but higher techs (whoopie....)

LOL! That's very funny. I'm level 18 with 123(91) ATA. Compare that with a HU or a FO at this level. And Compare that with a Cast or a Caseal. RAmar has better ATA.

Uhm, RAmarls are not weak. I do not know where people get this from. Maybe so at early levels, but later on, what class will be owning your ass when there is NO force around? Let alone an Android.

Oh but I know what this is...New chick on the block so lets all put her down. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[ This Message was edited by: Silhouette on 2003-03-03 18:37 ]