I need help understanding...

[zeital]

Slicers!
My FOnewearl is turning into more of a fluid draining tech spammer. The slicer was useful to get me through normal but my pure MST-ness has taken over BUT I still want a slicer user cuz I found it so much fun ^^

Um so I just have a few questions just to clear up a few things
1. Slicers use mind as the power mod right

2. Which would be the best chara for a slicer build, I was thinking HUnewearl or HUnewm cuz I’m getting a 2nd cartridge next week when PSZ comes out here officially (YAY) also I would like to play at lest one guy seeing as I’m playing all chicks atm (or a could play as both and just have one as a slicer user but then that leaves me with only 1 spot :(... ) OR FOmarl cuz I will then have more room for mats...

(GHRAG choices! I hate choices)

3. What is a good build for slicers, I alredy have a 99 hit 1 mind mag from when I was using it on my FOnewearl so idk if that will help? And then have a mix of mind and hit mats or get mind mats in so I can dish out some power 0o

Well there might go my next 3 chara slots *sighs* sorry I know I’m being a pest but people on here know a lot more about the game then me I’ve only been playing a total of about 68 hrs combined compared to over 200 hrs + I really do like the help ^^

thankyou in advance its like midnight here atm so i'll get to this again in the morning...

[Opodomus]

1) Yes slicers use MST. So if you use any power mats they are doing absolutely nothing while you have a slicer equipped.

2) As with everything, this is a matter of opinion. I would say NOT a ranger because the best slicers cannot be used by rangers. Other than that, probably not any cast because of low base MST. Probably not newman forces because of low ATA. That leaves newman hunters and human forces as the "best" choices, but of course if you REALLY LIKE any of the other classes then by all means use them, you just might have some serious compensation to do in mats and/or mag and/or armor slots.

3) The "magic" ATA numbers to almost never miss hostiles online in super hard are ~450 for normal attacks and ~550 for strong attacks. If you can afford to go solid MST that is always best for the most damage, but then if you change to a weapon you will be gimped in power. Mats are always best to be power and/or mind because shifta takes stats from mats into account but not stats from mag/armor units

Other advice: Personally, my slicer character is going to be my HUnewearl. I am giving her full swift mats because I want to be able to change between slicers and guns and hunter weapons and if I used any mind/power mats then when I was using one weapon type mats for the other type would be wasted. With all swift mats my mats are always helpful (keep in mind HUnewearls have very high EVP to start with, you probably wouldn't follow this advice for any other class). In order for her to hit reliably with a slicer I need a slicer with a really nice ATA bonus and I can still only use normal attacks. I could use a hit mag instead but I prefer the normal attacks. Like I said, everything comes down to opinion in the end! When taking monster resistances into account, slicers count as MELEE weapons. Yes, I know, weird, but that's how it works. Melee resistant enemies, like the Hypaos in the wetlands, will take very reduced damage from slicers.

[FoMarlBorough]

as stated above im guessing a fomarl or hunewearl.

hu for more evasion, and the weapons and pa that hu's are privy to.
fo for im guessing more mst and better techs. and a nice resta and support option.

invest in a hit mag either way. maybe 50 hit 50 mst or 100 hit. missing a lot tends to kick in at super hard mode.

dont forget to always shifta/deban yourself and to zalure the hostiles. with the mst youll have it will work nicely.

[zeital]

hmm good advice thankyou both

now for some math

between HUnewearl and FOmarl at lv 100 the difference in
ATA is 66 HU over FO
Evasion is 54 HU over FO but
MST is 89 FO over HU

Evasion for me isn't going to be much of an issue cuz i'm doing ranged attacks i'll have heal anyways

the thing that is selling the FOmarl for me atm for slicer user is that it wont take much to get to the ATA value of the HUnewearl and the FOmarl has more MST also to start with BUT can also use Shifta/Deband, Jellen/Zalure at lv 15 where as the HUnewearl only has Shifta/Deband lv 10
and the FOmarl has 20 more mat spaces for me to play around with

idk does that sound right? yes i know its a matter of opinion between different people but it just help to get some idea

[FoMarlBorough]

if you are still having trouble deciding, go with the one that looks cooler.

for strictly slicer usage, go with the fomarl, but if you go with the huney, you will have access to hu weapons and their pa's.



Evasion for me isn't going to be much of an issue cuz i'm doing ranged attacks i'll have heal anyways


dont forget the more atmospheric attacks, like falz's balls(insert joke). the evasion of the huney will let you flat out ignore those if you go with an evasion build. a fomarl still has to worry about getting tagged, unless you arent going to be anywhere near the action. my fomarl gets hit occasionally if i use a slicer, just cause while you 'shoot' one, you are just kinda standing there. if i go straight support mode, i can run around buff/debuff and healing and avoid the action cause i dont need to be all that close to cast those techs.

dont get me wrong, resta at that level is nice but its better play not to put yourself in those positions unless needed.

[zeital]

if you are still having trouble deciding, go with the one that looks cooler.

for strictly slicer usage, go with the fomarl, but if you go with the huney, you will have access to hu weapons and their pa's.

i am looking for pure slicer so yea

[FoMarlBorough]

once you go fomarl, you dont go back.

[zeital]

what do you mean?

[FoMarlBorough]

im mean, once you go fomarl, you dont go back...:D

[zeital]

i really with there was like a online calulator for PSZ chara build it wouldn't be too hard to make one seeing as everything is set...

[FoMarlBorough]

what did you need calculated?

[zeital]

oh, nothing it just would make it easier then doing it in EXL or something lol

[zeital]

oh i do have another question, for a self buff would Shifta be best combinded with Jellen and Zalure? cuz i sorta relised the other day if i have resta, anti and a normal attack i don't have enough palette space for all the buffs/debuffs

[Joustin]

once you go fomarl, you dont go back.


I got the joke. :D

[ChrisFTW]

If you wanna use Slicers and have trouble with hitting the target, try using Zalure which seems to also lower the targets evasion.
I hardly ever miss with my lvl 74 FOnewm if I use Zalure, but if I don't use it I miss alot more.

[pkrockin]

oh i do have another question, for a self buff would Shifta be best combinded with Jellen and Zalure? cuz i sorta relised the other day if i have resta, anti and a normal attack i don't have enough palette space for all the buffs/debuffs

Deband and Zalure aren't worth the palette space. Stick to the red arrows.

[zeital]

the thing is Zalure would let me hit more thats y i was asking cuz i don't think i will be useing the heavy attack on a slicer user cuz of the hit prob, unless someone isn't having that prob 0o

[ChrisFTW]

Don't stick to shifta and jellen as pkrockin suggests.
The best combo would be Shifta and Zalure, atleast if you play online, so either exchange anti or another tech and add Zalure to your palette.
My Force pallet looks something like: Megid, Normal attack, Shifta and when holding down L: Zalure, Resta and Anti.
Alltho, the way I play when I use a FO is that I use Gimegid as a magnet then use the wand PA Magical Sign. With a lvl 4 celeb Alice Olivia you get a pretty nice damage output, and you almost always hit since you have Zalure.

[FoMarlBorough]

shifta + zalure = win.

if you are gonna use a slicer, use one with a to hit bonus. it means waitin longer for the higher end slicers but i have found many sky surveys and tri magentas with said bonus, usually in the 20-30 range.

palette space is based on your play, just dont expect to be able to do everything with any given build.

shifta + zalure can let you do quite a bit more damage over time, but if you are rolling as support, it lets everyone do more damage.

jellen + deban only if you are running with reckless under leveled players. most hunters can already take that kind of abuse and rangers should be fighting from afar. that leaves fo's, which if you are in a party of fo's, the room should be cleared before you catch a beatdown.

a lvl3 slicer with debuff, specially with an element boost will open a palette spot.
jell is good for bosses.

[zeital]

well thankyou all for the help ^^ i can get the game tomorrow so i'm very happy XD

[Kirukia]

I always cast zalure. Don't do shifta + jellen, like really? .___.
zalure is your best option and shifta if you have the pallete space. I use a FOmarl and I just have 20 extra hit, but I can still use my slicer in ET if I cast alzalure. Its harder to hit some of the smaller enemies but they don't have much hp. Also bright sign is a really good PA. It can paralyze the enemies it hits.