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RRyuugu

02-20-2010, 09:21 PM

If you're aiming for 7* Slicers you shouldn't do Tower. Eternal Tower has a very poor drop rate : time ratio if you're looking for something specific that isn't Tower exclusive.

The Eridanus is the best Slicer in terms of attack damage thanks to Celeb. And unless you want to go for the lower damage Slicer/Tech Force (which doesn't compare to the Wand/Tech or Rod/Tech) then it is the best Slicer.

In fact ET is a very poor place to farm for great weapons, unless you're really lucky, you'll hear stories about people getting this great drop in ET but consider how much time is spent actually getting those? Or how many ET runs end up with nothing really good? While if you selectively farm an area you're shrinking the drop list to only a few items, so the item you want will be easier to come by and easier to farm for good Percentages and Element Level. You're also shrinking the mob pool, in ET you'll encounter just about any enemy, selective farming forces on you a smaller set of enemies, making it easier to encounter the enemy that drops what you're looking for.

Two of the people I run with collected various Celeb 3 Ainsraiffes with at least 1 60+%'s in an attribute, Over End one for each Attribute except Native. One of them has a set of Morgenlottes, one has a set of Frigiands, another has a set of Eridanus's. All with similar setups. Did tower give this to them? Nope they did it by farming one map again and again. My HUnewearl has 3 Neidaryl's, one for Native and Beast, Machine, and Dark , 60+% (Beast for the N/B one) Earth Bullet, Celeb 3. My Force has Celeb 4/5 AO's again with high attribute except Native. All from selective farmng.

Kirukia

02-20-2010, 09:43 PM

Force mothers drop 7* slicers all the time. Most of my slicers I get from mothers.
Outside of ET I've gotten 1-2 slicers that are better than sky survey.
Would you mind not stalking my posts and trying to argue with me in every thread? Thanks.
EDIT: Oh and just throwing this out there.
Eridanus and Loneos both drop from rare enemies. Trois drop from Akorse which aren't rare, but still uncommon.

RRyuugu

02-20-2010, 10:10 PM

Stop being paranoid, if you post something wrong expect that someone will correct it.

It's not hard getting 1 Eridanus from Valley. I got one in my first run, and much faster too thanks to 3 people running it with me. The next came after 2 runs. While in Tower I've haven't even gotten 1 Eridanus in one run.

While in terms of quantity the Tower gave more Slicers, in terms of quality Valley runs gave better. After 4 hours of running Valley I already had a Celeb 2 Eridanus. From 7 hours in SH ET my best was a Celeb 1 Trois Souther.

ET is great for scattershot low quality drops. But it really doesn't compare to selective farming when you're looking for real quality in terms of drops/time.

Kirukia

02-20-2010, 10:18 PM

I think your posts say it all. In 4 threads, you've argued 5 times, 3 of those times you were taking shots at me. You haven't posted in any other threads at this time. So in each thread you've posted in, you've started a fight.
I also find it fairly comical that nobody else picks fights with me over silly things except for you.
The examples you gave came from drops that drop from normal enemies.
ainsraiffe- helion
morgenlote- froutang
neidaryl- phobos
frigiand- grimble
alice olivia- hildeghana
Your personal experience doesn't cover reality.
Look at trade threads. Most of them have never gotten an eridanus.
Eridanus drop from tormatimbles, which can't even be arena camped.
Loneos drop from phobos dyna. You can arena camp these but there is also a chance you'll get zaphobos dyna instead.
Trois you get from akorse. These are uncommon enemies, but are still found through regular runs. This is the weakest of the three celeb slicers in terms of damage. Force mothers drop loneos and trois pretty regularly. For other 7* tower is probably not the best option, but for slicers, it is.

RRyuugu

02-20-2010, 10:27 PM

At you, if I remember correctly you jumped into the discussion on one of these 3 threads.

And let's be honest here saying Celeb is better than X in Normal Mode is just plain wrong. You can't blame me if you posted something that's so blatantly wrong that's one of the first topics of the first page.

Plus checking my posts? Talk about paranoid

When I was browsing the trade threads I've noticed one trend, most of the people who post trade threads spend more time in Super Hard Eternal Tower than anywhere else. A lot of trade threads are made after a run of SH Tower. So no doubt trade threads will be skewed towards people who farm ET than farm selectively.

Kirukia

02-20-2010, 10:35 PM

I'll give you that one, I did jump into the first.

If you went back to see my response, you'd see it was a typo. Celeb is not good in normal because you can't make up for the meseta usage.

I did it to prove my point, which it did quite nicely thanks. I actually made that post before looking at your posts. I just wondered if my assumption was correct, which it was.

There is a slight skew, but regardless, ET is probably the best place to hunt for 7* slicers, excluding shurikens. If you look at drop rates, the 7* slicers aren't on the drop list, which means they are common from mothers, and the enemies that drop them outside of ET are hardly common. There is also the chance they won't even drop what you're looking for. Force Mother can drop any of the three. I haven't confirmed eridanus but I see trois and loneos drop often enough.
EDIT: I just asked a friend where he'd hunt for each slicer were he looking for them. His answer was ET for all.

RRyuugu

02-20-2010, 10:54 PM

You said you made the typo after I posted. Nothing in your post shows you made a typo. In fact it looks like a normal sentence to me that's just factually plain wrong.

I've never seen you say otherwise. Are you saying I should have known about the typo? Because that's just plain paranoia.

Also browsing one random topic, I've only seen specific 1 Valley drop, and that's an Ainsraiffe No Hadan Fangs.

And don't say it's because they might be using those, because the topic I browsed belongs to a player who has a Force in his sig and he's trading away the Psycho Wand.

I doubt most of those trade topics have actually selectively farmed SH Valley. Or spent an equal amount of time there as they did on ET.

Kirukia

02-20-2010, 11:02 PM

Of course not, I'm saying you went out of your way to pick a fight.
I didn't re-read my post, so I didn't correct it until afterwards.

I'm not sure what you mean by this?

You realize you don't have to do all 101 floors for get a trois right? You have a 33% chance to get a force mother, and pretty damn good chance to get one of them as a drop. You will always get a mother every 10 floors. This mother also can drop any of the three. For other enemies 7* drops are uncommon drops, not normal ones. They are normal drops for mothers.

Even asking around you'll find most people will hunt in ET. There is also the fact that you can get other nice things in ET alongside of it, assuming someone is hunting more than just a specific slicer, which is most likely the case. However even just for slicers alone, ET is the best bet. I'd like to see other people's opinions on this.

RRyuugu

02-20-2010, 11:11 PM

Out of my way?

Please, there's a lot of misinformation spreading on these boards if I wanted to pick a fight I could just pick almost any topic and necrobump it. There's even one the first page right now if I really wanted to pick a fight. In fact if I wanted a "fight" that topic would be the best choice seeing as it looks like the person looks to be personally invested in it.

Why would I even want to pick a fight on this topic? If I wanted to then I got lucky that for some strange reason you're taking this personally.

As I've said ET is great for low quality (for SH) scattershot drops. Farming for something really good then ET fails in that. Except in extreme cases of luck and ET specific drops, things I mentioned in my first post and not in some "Ooops I made a typo" post afterwards.

Kirukia

02-20-2010, 11:16 PM

Yes I can really tell considering most of your post is a personal attack towards me.
Calling me paranoid, when you don't know me.
Mocking things that I say.
Specifically contradicting what I say when you just admitted you could pick a fight with almost anybody.
Thanks for proving my point. I really appreciate it.

I agree that's usually the case with the more common 7* drops, but slicers don't fall under that category because the enemies that drop it outside of ET aren't common.

RRyuugu

02-20-2010, 11:29 PM

Really? That's interesting as you were the one who made this personal. I never attacked you in my first post. I agree with almost everything in this topic, I do not agree with what you said.

The one who made this personal was you when you said I was "targetting you"

So don't even try to shift the blame to me when in this topic and the first topic about Over End you have always been the one to take things to a personal level first.

Also I do not see where you're getting this "Slicers are more rare than other types" Most if not all the 7*'s drop from either a boosted large enemy, an upgraded large enemy, a boosted small enemy, or an upgraded small enemy. Slicers are just like every weapon type.

Kirukia

02-20-2010, 11:36 PM

Look at your posts. Its funny how you only seem to post when it's responding to me. I'm sure I'm not the only person who finds that a bit odd. There's also the fact that you continued to mock and insult me.

The OE thread was different. I made the post there. Here is different. You basically see me post, and then try to nit-pick at it to find something wrong, and then post. Look at your posts. They are almost all arguing with people. At least I can make civil conversations.

Look at the drop charts. I for one would much rather kill force mother a few times (for any of the 3) than hunt tons of phobos dyna for just loneos.

Lets also look at it this way. PA and Normal Attack combinations, personal preference. Where to hunt for an item, personal preference. I'm not sure why you're so dead-set on trying to be right. He asked where he should hunt, and I suggested ET. You came in not just stating your opinion, but also trying to contradict mine. If you had just said you would hunt them from the areas the enemies came from, I wouldn't have cared. It's the fact that you purposefully include what I said, and try to contradict it. I can't imagine any other reason why you'd do this besides a personal dislike for me. Why would you dislike me? Well I think you know the answer to that.

SneakySneaky

02-20-2010, 11:44 PM

This thread is heating up and no long about the topic. It is spoiler....
Well, the fact for hunting in ET isn't a bad idea but it takes away peoples' time online.
For the slicers hunting. I think anywhere is good but most likely, Shrine is the best area. The Skyslicer.
I always suggest to play whoever you like in any games... RAcast isn't a bad idea.
Tech disks are too random so I don't even know where to find the exactly lvl 10 for you.
Just keep on hunting. I think SH has more chance to find them. On hard mode they drop lvl 9 tech disks more during my hunting which is a bit stupid.

RRyuugu

02-20-2010, 11:56 PM

Oh I could say the same for you, simply because I do not agree with what you say you're taking it personally. I don't make any personal comments until the moment you do so. I've never made a personal comment against anyone until they start doing so.

Don't tell me that you think that when your posts are being scrutinized it automatically becomes a personal attack? That's a pretty good definition of paranoia if you ask me.

Did I call you an idiot? Did I call you stupid? Did I say anything that was referring to you other than the actual content of your post until you decided to make it personal? Nope.

I could even say that you're the one who dislikes me, why would you dislike me? Simple because I don't agree with what you say.

Oh and my opinion is that your opinion doesn't match in-game situations. Same as in the other two topics. I actually take it a step further by providing in-game examples instead of just saying "Hey this is what you should do" and instead "Hey this is what you should do and here's why"

Kirukia

02-21-2010, 12:08 AM

I knew you'd say this. Too predictable. Good thing I already know what I'm going to say.
Look at this thread. Someone said that Eridanus dropped from Grimble. I knew this was wrong, but instead of saying. Actually it drops from Tormatimble. It's the rare version of Grimble etc etc. trying to make them look stupid, I asked them a question asking if they were sure it drops from that and not tormatimble. I was hoping they would check and find that they were errored, realizing it themselves instead of me coming in acting like a smartass. Why would I do that? Because it's courteous to the person making the error. It's called having common courtesy. If you post acting like you know everything, and act like the person is undereducated about the topic, then you're going to look like an ass and you're also going to piss the person off, or give them the assumption that you think lowly of them.

I find it utterly amusing how you continue to assume how I think and act on the sole basis of your opinion of me, after having argued with me. You've never talked civilly to me, and yet you expect to know exactly who I am. It's almost comical.

I do dislike you. Not because you point out when I'm wrong, but because you do it in an attempt to make me look stupid. I've been corrected before on these forums, and most of the time I see the error and say "Oh my bad." But those people point out the error and don't make a big scene out of it acting like they are just epically grand and so full of intelligence. Actually, in the grow shower thread I simply said I made a typo. I didn't argue with you at all, because there was no need. That was an error and even though you decided to explain to me like I was stupid, I just said, "I made a typo it was supposed to be ____" But here is the difference. Even if you did post casually, and not just to point out errors, I still wouldn't go around trying to make you look bad. Frankly, I think it reflects more poorly on me than you.

Your ingame examples were unrelated, and mine were very related. You talked about gunblade etc drops, I talked about slicer drops. The only slicer drops you really mentioned were eridanus. "Looking for slicers in ET" matches ingame situations perfectly. Nowhere in my post did I say, "ET is where you should look for them, anyplace else is wrong." You said that the original drop areas were the best place, and that ET was wrong. You purposefully contradicted my opinion. Personally I do think ET is better, but if you want to hunt someplace else I really don't care. Again it's the fact that you act like people are inferior and that you act like you are always right.

RRyuugu

02-21-2010, 12:37 AM

Did I say looking in the ET was wrong? No I initially said the ET was worse than selective farming.

I didn't say don't look in ET, I said if someone does do that then they'll be worse than someone who does selectively farm. Now when you came in and started making a stance that ET is better than selective farming for Slicers is when I said you were wrong. When I did call you out for being wrong was in the Grow Shower topic, your post was wrong without the supporting "I made a typo" post afterwards.

All my posts prior to people trying to take things personally were neutral. When pointing out an error I've never said "you're stupid for saying this" I'm saying "that is wrong and this is why" There's an important distinction there.

If your issue with me is because I do not "sugar coat" what I am saying then find be insulted. Then I really don't care. If I actually intentionally insulted people in my first post then fine, but no all my first posts are simply filled with a bit more detail than normal.

In fact I prefer those kinds of posts for these kinds of discussions, seeing as details are what makes for efficiency in these types of games.

As for Gunblades and Swords were mentioned as supporting information. As I've mentioned all the 7*'s drop from a rare form of a mob, be it a boosted or an upgraded form. The situations for selectively farming those types is the same as selectively farming Slicers.

At least for non-10 Meseta 7*'s

Kirukia

02-21-2010, 01:04 AM

Why? You only said that because I said ET was a good idea.

You didn't, but you said it wasn't a good idea. I didn't say anything outside of ET was a bad idea. Yes I know the original post was wrong. I'm not sure why you keep bringing that up. Again, just another attempt to make yourself feel superior.

You never said it, but you imply it by providing exactly why they are wrong, and basically attempting to lay out everything you know just to make the other person look stupid, even though they probably know most of the information, or don't even need to know the rest. You know, I won't even say that. Thats how I see it, if that's not your intention than I apologize for the accusation, but I still think you should watch what you say, considering you haven't gotten the most positive feedback from your responses. You don't say, "Well I personally don't think ET is the best, because the drop rates aren't as good." It was, "If you're aiming for 7* Slicers you shouldn't do Tower."
Your VERY FIRST sentence was in direct contradiction to mine. It wasn't even pointing out an error, because there was no error to point out. You were just trying to contradict me.

I'm not sure why you'd type out a paragraph when all you had to say was, I think drop rates are better if you hunt them in their individual areas. Now that I look at it, your original post didn't even contain your opinion. Your original post was just paragraphs of you trying to say I was wrong. You compared it to your opinion, thats it.

If you want to say. Its this and this is why, in a simple sentence, you can. But you're arguing over my opinion of which area he should hunt a slicer in, and thats all you did. You didn't state your opinion, you just argued about mine. You don't see anything wrong with that? It's not even factual. I said he should hunt in ET. I mean, really? You really had to type over 2 paragraphs to say, "I disagree?" and then not even say what you think he should do?

You realize you can get them from non-boosted forms right?
Boosted just increases the chance that it will drop. If a rare enemy can drop it, then only that enemy can drop it. None of it's normal forms or normal boosted.
Gunblades and Swords drop from normal enemies, including unboosted. The three slicers we discussed were dropped only from rare excluding trois, which was an uncommon enemy.

It would be a lot easier if you just didn't reply to me, and I didn't reply to you. We obviously don't get along and obviously have very different opinions of what we find acceptable and generally of what we think about everything.

RRyuugu

02-21-2010, 01:30 AM

I said he shouldn't do the tower because it's a poor way for farming 7*'s compared to selective farming, I didn't say it was wrong answer to the question. 7*'s can be farmed from the Tower, your post was correct as far as where 7*'s can be farmed.

It was however not the efficient way to do it. It looks like you're the one nitpicking here by saying I was saying you were wrong.

It was a sub par way to go and I gave my reasons. That was it.

As for why I keep bringing up the Grow Shower topic, it's the only topic where I directly pointed out something you said was wrong in my first post. Your whole argument revolves around me finding people who say wrong things and saying they're stupid for saying so.

If get the feeling you're being called stupid after reading a post then that's not really my problem seeing as I didn't say anyone was stupid. In fact in all my posts before people who respond get personal, I don't even make any reference to the person, I only refer in-game situations. Every post of mine only contains things from the game until the other person chooses to do otherwise.

I'd say you're the one being insulting here, you're the one taking things outside of the game.

Oh and if Boosted Enemies have the same drop rate as their regular forms then the Trois Souther is a drop from an Akorse. No problem there.

Kirukia

02-21-2010, 01:37 AM

And why did you state that? Only because I said it. You could've said your opinion and have been done with it. It would've been a lot easier too considering this thread wouldn't have two pages of pointless arguing.

You might not mention the person, but you make it obvious who you're contradicting. You don't even post casually, you only post to argue. Why are you even here? I admitted the original post was wrong because I didn't type it correctly. Why you keep bringing it up here, I have no idea. It is completely unrelated. In fact I wasn't even going to say anything until I saw you also tried to contradict me here, and this time about nothing.

Yes, of course it's all my fault. With someone who has superior knowledge such as you, I might as well just admit that I'm butthurt about that OE thread! Give me a break. I wouldn't have even responded to you. You're the one who continually contradicts me in the threads I post in.

RRyuugu

02-21-2010, 02:04 AM

Unrelated? How is it unrelated? You made thing personal by saying I was "tracking you" which means any post I make in a topic you post in automatically becomes related.

Afterwards you bring up how I post in general, which means every post I make whether or not you were in the topic is automatically related. You cannot refer to my posting style and say one of my posts are unrelated.

In fact I could throw the same question back to you why are you bringing this personal stuff up here?

My first post wasn't composed "you're wrong because you're you and everything you say is wrong" I gave reasons for saying why ET farming is worse compared to selective farming in terms of 7* Slicers.

I made that post because ET was mentioned it just happened to be that you were the one and only the one that posted it. If someone else had then I would have still made the same post. It's your paranoia that makes you think I have it out for you.

Kirukia

02-21-2010, 02:08 AM

Yes, but we discussed that already, and you continued to bring it up. I have no idea why.

What personal stuff? I'm simply trying to understand why you can't just say your share and move on. Why do you have to say someone else is wrong or that you disagree with someone? I said my opinion, you could've easily just said yours. The OP has the information at hand to decide which he wants to choose. There is no need to sit there and try to contradict what I or anyone else for that matter has to say. Your reasons were from a personal experience, not fact. It was simply your opinion. It was you clashing your opinion with mine.

You really didn't need to say it regardless of who it was. And it's the fact that most of your posts are contradicting me that makes me think that actually.

RRyuugu

02-21-2010, 02:15 AM

Oh? Comparisons between two or more choices are supplementary information for the choice to be made. And the comparison I made was based on in-game occurances, not some "Don't go to the ET because the ET sucks but the Valley is much better!" type of comparison. I was related to the drop rates of the Slicers and factors that affected it.

Really? You're the one who doesn't want to drop it, you've gone from me tracking you to me calling people stupid. You're the one making this spiral out of control by introducing even more and more unrelated topics.

The topic of me allegedly tracking you would have never been brought up if you didn't mention it, nor would the topic about me allegedly calling people stupid.

If I said "ET is a bad choice because he said it was and everything he says is wrong" that obviously doesn't contribute anything to choice. On the other hand I compared ET to selective farming by giving in-game information

So again, I throw the question back to you won't you drop it? Why do you keep on bringing up things unrelated to the topic?

Kirukia

02-21-2010, 02:22 AM

First of all, you really didn't. The best way for him to find out, would be to do it himself. He could look at what drops it etc. all on his own, through this very site. Your examples were personal experience, it wasn't anything factual concerning drop rates. If mothers weren't involved in tower, your explanation would be accurate. The difference is force mothers drop these weapons commonly, and can always be found ~33% of the time every 10 floors.

Technically they were very related. One was the action, the other the reason. Once again, obviously this is all my fault. It's not like you could just not slam your opinion down on every thread and by doing so step on toes. Perhaps you aren't actually calling people stupid. Maybe you just really want people to think the same way as you. Maybe thats more accurate? If thats the case, then please don't. We have our opinions, say yours and leave. If you simply said you think it's a good idea for him to hunt outside of ET because the drops are more specialized, I never would have posted.

You responded to me. I didn't start this. I said nothing concerning you in my original post.

RRyuugu

02-21-2010, 02:29 AM

Responded? I responded to it with only in-game information.

Nowhere in my post was it a personal attack. You could have let this stay as an in-game discussion. But on the very first post you made part of it was in direct reply to me

As I've said if someone else made a post about the ET or if someone else also posted about the ET I would have made the same reply. In fact it wasn't even a reply to you, it was supplementary information. As for if it was necessary or not, that's up to the reader isn't it? Who are you to decide where the flow of related information should stop? I've learned lots of things from topics from the supplementary information, and I seriously doubt that I'm the only person to experience that.

However a portion of your reply was clearly directed at me, there is no possible other target except me. You made this personal with that part your reply. You started this spiral to completely unrelated topics. Not me. So once again my question, why do you insist still going on?

Kirukia

02-21-2010, 02:39 AM

And wasn't yours a reply to me? You say you would've said it to anybody, which, I also discussed already, so I won't repeat it. Regardless, it was in direct contradiction to me, and you seem to be a fan of contradicting me, as would be represented by your posts, wouldn't you agree? Regardless of if you meant it or not, you clearly have attempted to degrade a number of my posts. The first one we discussed, that was partially my fault. The second we discussed, and I ignored that. This one was obviously an attempt to needlessly degrade my opinion. You still haven't answered my question on why you need the poster to agree with you.

It's still purely opinion that directly contradicts mine, regardless of if it's a comparison. Who are you to come in here saying your choice is better? Isn't that for the reader to decide? Just tell him what you think he should do, no need to contradict anybody else. Looking through your posts it seems other people get the same idea. The information was only added to show how you thought I was wrong. If nobody had mentioned ET, you never would have posted that information. You're acting like you only posted it to inform him, when you know that isn't true. Adding extra info is fine, but I don't see any need to degrade anybody else's opinion over it. Building people up by tearing other people down? Interesting concept you have there.

Yes it was, as your post was a response to me. Look at your posts, you wouldn't be suspicious? You'd probably be suspicious. It's odd when more than half of someone's posts are only contradicting you.

And of course, once again, you place all the blame on me. An argument is between two people. I've accepted partial responsibility for these arguments, but you have yet to take any. I'll let you explain why.

You also have yet to tell me why you're on this site, since the only posts you seem to make are in direct opposition to someone else's.

RRyuugu

02-21-2010, 02:56 AM

Really, interesting as first you accused me of know who you are to say you're paranoid and now you're saying you know who I am and saying I made that post because it was you.

I maintain my original statement I would have made that post no matter who mentioned ET. If And yes I make posts when someone contradicts me however I keep it within in-game discussion. Who made the post is of no concern to me, I have never put the identity of the poster to be relevant to my posts unless they have in that post made me relevant. I said that earlier.

For all I care this could be a discussion on an anonymous board where the only thing that matters are the contents of each post not who posted it.

And it is rather unfair that all the questions are directed at me, why are you so insistent on continuing this? You called it common courtesy right? So far I've been answering and provinding answers and explanations for all your questions and accusations at me, you on the other hand keep on evading everything by turning the topic back at me. So please, do the courtesy of answering one question.

Since you want this to be personal then fine, let it be personal, now answer my question why do you keep this up?

Kirukia

02-21-2010, 03:06 AM

I said it's odd that it was directed towards me, and again, I addressed the whole "If it were someone else" thing. I'm not going to repeat everything I've said.

I don't hold grudges. If you asked a question in another thread I would answer it nicely. I never said I was going to harrass you just because we argue constantly. However I obviously can't tell if you think the same way, and from what I can see, you don't. It's a logical assumption that you don't think highly of me when you contradict most of the posts I make. I never actually thought you were stalking me, but I was like "Why is he contradicting everything I say?" The whole stalking thing was a lash out, which was exaggerated, but I still think your original post wasn't fully neccessary.

Yes, because everyone online is just an avatar, who is only here for you to inform or correct. Honestly, if you think like that, you're pretty ignorant. I'm hoping that's not what you were implying.

You're asking me questions as well, so I'm going to answer them. You haven't treated me as much more than dirt as far as I can tell. You seem to only want to say things opposite of what I say. You don't see why I have a problem with that? As I said, you only posted that extra information to contradict me. The BEST way for him to figure it out, is for him to do it himself. Your "facts" were because the enemies were more specialized, but I'm not talking about looking for tormatibles and phobos dyna in tower, it's force mother. Neither of us have actual statistics, only experience. Our experiences don't match, so let him decide. You started this by trying to say you're opinion is better, and I have no idea why. It's like you only did it to start an argument, I don't really know. You shouldn't have said that to ANYONE. I'm keeping this up because I'm tired of you contradicting me. I want to know you're not going to continue to degrade my posts for really no reason at all. So why are you still arguing?

RRyuugu

02-21-2010, 03:32 AM

If I were to go by statistics, I have posted in 4 topics all of them on the top of the page. 1 of them you jumped in and that is no fault of mine. The second you did not post in. The third and fourth you posted in. The Grow Shower topic you were blatantly wrong, typo or not the post was wrong.

This is the only topic where you didn't initially post something wrong, you didn't jump in, and you participated in.

Now look at your own posting record, look at the topics on the front page, how many of them have you posting in it?

If you think that just because you disagreed with me that I now have it in for you, you're full of it. As for degrading your posts, well it is not my fault that you posted wrong information even if it was a typo. If someone else posted that exact same post I would have posted the exact same reply.

If you're paranoid that is not my problem, but apparently you're trying to make it to be mine.

If I am going to post to correct something or to provide supplementary information and it happens to clash with one of your posts, be it an actual contradiction or something in your mind like what happened in this topic, then suck it up. Because I do not look at the user name of the person who posted, if I do, I don't even take it into consideration.

As for the best way to learn, this site has the drop tables. If I were to be as "suspicious" as you then the best way to learn was to just supply him a link to the varous 7* Slicers. Before you posted someone already said to look at the drop tables, your post could be seen as unnecessary and a small nudge to get him to go to ET instead of the Fields.

See? I can twist posts too. So don't think you have this all figured out. You're paranoid. Give it up.

Kirukia

02-21-2010, 03:45 AM

Yes yes, we know about the typo. Again, you're bringing it up for whatever reason.

You say I'm paranoid because I'm suspicious. If that's the case, then you're an asshole for degrading posts. Again, you didn't contradict it to supply information, you contradicted it because you wanted to be right. I gave my opinion, you contradicted my opinion, when you could've just given yours. I'm not sure how many times I have to say it. I'm not sure why in the first post you had to interfere with anything I said, especially considering you yourself said there was nothing incorrect about it.

The difference is I didn't degrade or purposefully contradict posts. I gave my opinion, thats it. As I said before, if you gave your opinion, I wouldn't have looked at it twice. You said my idea was a bad idea, and that yours was better. There was really no reason to do that, and you know that.

You still haven't answered the same question you asked me. You are still arguing, why? You make it seem as if my opinion means nothing to you, and yet you're still here.

RRyuugu

02-21-2010, 03:58 AM

Bad idea? What exactly about your first post said you had an "idea"

What was the question of the OP? Where can they find good Slicers? Correct? Where is your opinion in answering ET?

You were giving a factual answer, there is no opinion in it. Where can good Slicers be found ? In the ET. The only way for it to have an "opinion" was if I was as suspicious as you coming up with theories.

My post did not even degrade your first post, did I say "Slicers do not appear in the ET" no it did not. My post just further validated the fact that Slicers do drop there, if they didn't then there's no comparison to be made.

You're making accusations at me, you're saying I don't have a reason to reply? What you're doing is a reason to reply all by itself. And unlike the "imaginary" insults you think I'm making, this is clearly something addressed to me and not the information in my posts.

You want to know something that's been repeated again and again in this thread? I do not bother with anything personal unless the other person clearly does. Which you have.

Kirukia

02-21-2010, 04:05 AM

Lets recap.
I said he should search in ET for 7* slicers.
You said that wasn't as good of an idea as yours, and then tried to say why. This was obviously directed at my post.
I replied by asking why you were stalking me etc.
I already admitted that I said that out of annoyance, and not because I actually thought you were stalking me.
This is what this whole argument stemmed from. The only question left is why you bothered to say anything at all about my post in the first place?
As I said already, they aren't mutually exclusive. You've said my answer was a correct answer, so why did you pick it out and say it wasn't as good as your example? You had no factual proof, only experience. Again, you said mine wasn't wrong.
So basically, you decided to say my correct post was a bad idea, because you personally felt like your idea was better. As you would say, who are you to tell anybody how to think?
And yes, it is an idea.
"Where should I search for 7* slicers?" "I have an idea, how about in ET?"
It could've been used interchangably and carried the same meaning. I suggested ET whichout saying it was the only/best/whatever option.

RRyuugu

02-21-2010, 04:34 AM

I gave the reasons didn't I? Eridanus is the strongest Slicer as far as Attack DPS goes, you cannot control which slicers drop in ET. You can however in Fields.

A Slicer better than the Sky Survey is pretty questionable as well. A Sky Survey is easily farmed, if you were to exert a tiny bit of effort (certainly far less than what you'd exert climbing SH ET) you'd find a Level 3 Sky Survey. The 100 MST Difference doesn't really matter that much, because we're talking about a Force. Celeb 3 will have 20% over Celeb 1. 20% of the total MST by that time is pretty big. Even if Resistance and enemy DFP is increased by 20% I doubt you can get more damage with a Celeb 1 Trois Souther or Loneos than a Celeb 3 Sky Survey.

The ATA difference is nonexistent.

The real problem is with Techs, 100 MST can mean a huge thing for Techs but the question here is why even equip a Slicer if you're just going to Tech Spam? Personal preference? Unless the OP says so, I'd not even consider it.

So the goal of getting a better Slicer than the Sky Survey is to find at least a Celeb 2 7* Slicer. Where the 10% can probably make up for the 100 MST difference. I'm just guessing here, I'd still say the goal would be a Celeb 3 Slicer.

What can Mothers drop? 6* and 7* weapons. All 7* weapons. Meaning you're the 10 Meseta Rares are part of the drop table which will not have as much Attack DPS as a Celeb 3 Sky Survey.

That's what controlled farming is for, to narrow down the drop list to the Celeb weapons.

Kirukia

02-21-2010, 04:36 AM

You're not understanding.....
Why would you criticize the option I gave, when it had nothing to do with yours, and when it was a viable option?

RRyuugu

02-21-2010, 04:43 AM

It was an option, your post was correct AS far as ET being an option. That was what I meant by you were correct. This is where comparison kicks in.

The Sky Survey on it's own is pretty good. As an Attack/PA weapon at least. Techs will be a little less but if you'll be spamming techs so much you might as well equip a Rod or Wand.

Plus controlled farming gives you the cream of the crop, so if you want to maximize your Techs with Slicers and still deal good damage then your goal is the Eridanus. And if you want to maximize your Techs then no questions asked here, Selective farming for Shurikens is the way to go.

The ET option only reliably works for a real bad Sky Survey. 6* weapons are in general easily farmed, let's not even factor in how easy it is to farm a Sky Survey since that's one of the common drops of Hard Dark Shrine.

ET combines so many drop lists that you're not always guaranteed of a Slicer that can outclass a farmed Sky Survey.

Kirukia

02-21-2010, 04:50 AM

Why did you have to compare them?
Why couldn't you just say you thought it would be good to hunt the hostiles that drop it in their original area?
Why did you say my suggestion was not as good as yours?
I'm not asking for the comparisons, I'm asking why you had to compare them in the first place.
As far as I can see, the only logical reason would be to further your own suggestion by saying mine wasn't as good, which was completely unnecessary. You didn't have to mention mine at all. I'm trying to understand why you felt compelled to even say your suggestion was better in the first place. It's up to the poster to decide which option he wants to take. I have no idea, why on earth, you would need or even want to criticize my suggestion to further yours. If that's not the case, then please fill me in. I'm not quite sure how you could put a positive spin on what you did.

RRyuugu

02-21-2010, 04:54 AM

Then the poster can freely disagree with me and go farm the ET and think he's better off.

I'm not going to go to his house and smash his DS for thinking otherwise. You're too personally affected bythings like this. It's a discussion, one with several options no less, comparisons are expected.

Kirukia

02-21-2010, 04:56 AM

We aren't talking about the poster, we are talking about you.
I'm asking why you felt the need to criticize my post at all, when it was clearly not needed. What was your reasoning behind you wanting to say yours was better?
Expected? That's funny. Nobody else made a comparison about anything except for you.

RRyuugu

02-21-2010, 05:03 AM

I wasn't criticizing your post. Just because you're the only person who posted about the ET that the idea is exclusively yours? That you were the one who figured it out? Give me a break.

This is why regardless of who would have posted about the ET I still would have the same post. The content of my post is only about ET and Selective Farming, you are not a factor of it.

I was criticizing ET and Selective Farming. Unless you somehow think that you're the representative of farming in the Eternal Tower I do not see why you're affected by me saying selective farming is a better option than ET.

Kirukia

02-21-2010, 05:06 AM

When you say you would've said it to anybody, that means you wouldn't have posted the comparison had nobody mentioned ET, because it would've been a reply to x player.

So the only reason the comparison was added, was because you wanted to say that your suggestion was better than x players suggestion.

x player happened to be me, and thus your first post stated that your suggestion, was better than my (x player's) suggestion.

I'm still not seeing how you can put a positive spin on this. I'm honestly getting bored and you still seem annoyed. I'm actually pretty relaxed about the situation now. I'd like to go to bed now if you don't mind, and you'd like to stop arguing. It seems we aren't discussing anything, as has been the case for the passed 4 pages. We'll obviously never agree because it comes down to you thinking I'm taking it too hard, and me thinking you over stepped your bounds. Seeing as we are both stubborn, I doubt our opinions are going to change anytime soon.

RRyuugu

02-21-2010, 05:09 AM

Probably, the reason I thought about it was because someone mentioned the ET.

If no one mentioned the ET I wouldn't have given it thought. I made the comparison because someone mentioned the ET and I thought "Is it really better?"

Maybe after a while even if no one posted about the ET, I'd have read about the ET before seeing this topic again and made the same comparison. I'd probably have worded it another way (seeing as I need to first introduce the ET)

These are ideas, and I'm sure as hell no one owns them, stop feeling some sort of personal connection to them.

Kirukia

02-21-2010, 05:20 AM

You misunderstand.
I'm not annoyed because of what you prefer, I'm annoyed because someone posted something contrary to what you believe, and then you felt the need to tell them your suggestion was better, when it wasn't necessary. Its not what you think, it's the fact that you're going to say someone else's suggestion isn't as good. You have no right to say x player's suggestion is worse than yours when you can't factually back it up. You should've said your piece and gone, and not involved anybody elses post. Get it? Just mind your own business. It had nothing to do with informing him. We discussed this already. Put whatever twist on it that you want. Its funny that your story continues to change. First it was because you wanted to compare suggestions, then it was because you wanted to inform him, and then it was because you were just wondering if ET was better or what you compared it to, and just happened to type your thoughts out in your first post. It's getting silly.

Hypothetical "maybe" situations mean nothing. That's just you speculating and has nothing to do with what would've happened. Throwing out possible scenarios doesn't mean you would've done it. It's just you saying, "oh well it could've happened so MAYBE it's not the reason."

Kirukia

02-21-2010, 05:30 AM

Ugh listen I'm getting tired of this.
I think you were rude, and you fail to even attempt to see where I'm coming from.
This argument has no content, it's just an accusation war.
We've been arguing for hours and frankly I'm so tired I could really care less.
I'm pretty much done with this thread. There isn't anything else to talk about.

RRyuugu

02-21-2010, 06:01 AM

Again stop feeling a personal connection to your suggestion.

It is not unique. It is one of two. There are no other ways to farm Slicers in this game. Either you do it in the ET or selectively farm outside.

You do not even own the suggestion. It was never yours to begin with. You just gave the option and somehow thought it belonged to you. Anyone who looks at the drop tables on this site would arrive with the same two answers.

How is my story changing? Wondering which is better is where the comparison comes from, posting what my conclusion and the data I used to make it is informing the reader.

It's a simply train of thought, you're clearly refusing to grasp this because you're so set on the idea that I am out to prove someone wrong. Give it up, you're still clearly paranoid because you're attached to a suggestion. One out of two suggestions that anyone could have given. It wasn't even necessary for anyone to have posted in this topic. If this topic went unanswered and the user kept on bumping it I eventually would have given both and compared them on my own.

If I had logged on earlier and thought of both answers then given them and compared them right after then none of this would have happened. The two "suggestions" being compared would be "mine" And I still would have worded the post the same way. IF this happened then no one's going to whine that I didn't sugar coat my comparison. Or go around making paranoid theories that someone on the internet is after them. But too bad, I logged on late, so blame yourself for posting in this topic before I could make the comparison on my own.

Flashrogers

02-21-2010, 02:45 PM

RRyuugu, Kirukia said he's had enough. Why are you still arguing? He's not making another post in this thread for now and your argument is as good as over. Just let it go. FYI. I agree with your opinion on selective farming, and I agree with Kirukia's suggestion; they're both equally good. BTW, don't bother trying to argue with this post because I'm not coming back to this thread ever again. Posting to argue with me next would give reason for people to question your level of maturity. I already do seeing as Kirukia has asked one time already to stop arguing already and to just move on, whereas you ignored it and continued as if he had never posted. Kirukia if you read this and you need to say anything to me regarding this post, please pm me instead of posting in this thread because I'm not ever coming back to this thread.