Xbox Cheating

[Phelan]

I have read a lot about rumors that the xbox will be really easy to cheat on. Could someone please explain this to me? No other xbox live games have cheating issues(well except for those games which have bugs in them that can be exploited by anyone in the game). People talk about how easy it would be to mod an xbox ect. #1 what is modding? and #2 MS has stated that any xbox which has been modded will be banned for xbox live. I am probably just not understanding something, could someone please enlighten me?

[Sashi]

1) In this case, modding is putting in a chip to play games that arent codded for your area. Most games have a set region, and can only be played on systems from that region. So, you cant play a JP game on a US console, or vice versa, unless you get a modification on your console to do so.

2) Xbox can have a switch attached to the mod chip, to turn its effects off and on.

And I read about a way to duplicate items on Xbox PSO. It could work, but I have not the means to try, or even care to try, for that matter if I did have the means.

[ALPHAM0F0]

well, people never said that there wouldn't be "hacking" they just said that there wouldn't be much of it, because the way its done on the xbox is much much harder then on previous versions, and like i and many people said before, most "hackers" on pso, are stupid little kids that have to have cheats spoon fed to them, and think up of stupid little code, so they could innoy the crap out of people, be it fsod, or makeing a text bubble as big as the screen.



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[Kalbelgarion]

Actually, if I'm reading certain information correctly, Microsoft has recently added a forced-download for all US XBOX Live users. It scans the XBOX for "unfamiliar" files (ie: Not game saves). Punishment ensues for those who connect to XBOX Live with these files.

And, also, just because there is cheating in Japan on the XBOX version, doesn't mean that there will be cheating in the States. The two-month delay time may be because Microsoft may be adding in new security measures. The US is their #1 market, remember. Perhaps the servers really were separated for "security reasons."

[Phelan]

Well, the only problem is the method of duping which has been discovered doesn't really leave any "tracks" for Live to follow. If you get my meaning. Maybe if PSOX instituted unique item id numbers like Diablo2 did, they would be able to delete duped items.

[Kalbelgarion]

On 2003-03-02 19:33, Phelan wrote:
Well, the only problem is the method of duping which has been discovered doesn't really leave any "tracks" for Live to follow. If you get my meaning. Maybe if PSOX instituted unique item id numbers like Diablo2 did, they would be able to delete duped items.

Well, that's no good...and PSO will never have the unique item numbers, either.

Well, I'm still going to have faith in Microsoft until I see massive duping on the US servers. They deserve the benifit of the doubt, as Nintendo did.

[Phelan]

That is a frame of mind that deserves a lot of respect kal. I too am gonna go this route, I think that Microsoft desperately needs PSO to be a sucess, as the first RPG on Live, it needs to set a good precedence and I am guessing that MS will pull out all the stops to make sure everyone's experience is a good one.

[ALPHAM0F0]

well some friends that i have allready have really insane weps offline, (not legit mind you) but they wont be able to bring those chara's online cause there on mem cards

[Kalbelgarion]

On 2003-03-02 20:12, ALPHAM0F0 wrote:
well some friends that i have allready have really insane weps offline, (not legit mind you) but they wont be able to bring those chara's online cause there on mem cards

That's the main thing. As long as cheating is kept offline, there will be no worries. However, it's very likely that some people will work to bring it online.

This game is very important to Microsoft, and the US servers are their "Home Turf", so I think they're going to put up more of a fight than Sonic Team did with PSOv2.

Also, one thing that will really restrict online cheating is the feedback system. If one player is cheating, and hundreds of people give him negative feedback, and cite "Cheating" as the reason (which is an option), then that person will have their online oppratunities...ahh...seriously restricted, shall we say. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[BrokenHope]

On 2003-03-02 20:26, Kalbelgarion wrote:

On 2003-03-02 20:12, ALPHAM0F0 wrote:
well some friends that i have allready have really insane weps offline, (not legit mind you) but they wont be able to bring those chara's online cause there on mem cards

That's the main thing. As long as cheating is kept offline, there will be no worries. However, it's very likely that some people will work to bring it online.

This game is very important to Microsoft, and the US servers are their "Home Turf", so I think they're going to put up more of a fight than Sonic Team did with PSOv2.

Also, one thing that will really restrict online cheating is the feedback system. If one player is cheating, and hundreds of people give him negative feedback, and cite "Cheating" as the reason (which is an option), then that person will have their online oppratunities...ahh...seriously restricted, shall we say. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif



I don't see how the feedback system will benefit online pso cheating, past experiences have shown that the majority of users on pso like and even welcome dupes so i don't see that many people complaining.

[Kalbelgarion]

I don't see how the feedback system will benefit online pso cheating, past experiences have shown that the majority of users on pso like and even welcome dupes so i don't see that many people complaining.
Not exactly. XBOX Live folks consider XBOX Live to be their unbreakable safe haven of cheat-free and fair gaming. Many, dare I say most, XBOX Live players will take real offence to a cheater online, or a player with duped weapons. This isn't just people from the DC version playing this. To many people, the XBOX version will be their first version of PSO, and XBOX Live is their first online gaming service. These people, and many of the old PSOers, will not allow cheating to go unreported. Plus, this is the first version where a real feedback and warning system is available. One could never report cheaters in any other version.

Plus, having all characters associated with one Gamertag will really help matters, too.

[Phelan]

Yeah, one of the big selling features of Xbox LIVE is that MS proclaimed it to be the only cheat free gaming community. If you look at the huge uprising of people complaining about the exploits in Unreal Championship it is easy to see that a very large number of xbox players want to play fairly. Lets hope this kind of "fairplay" morals are seen in PSOX aswell.

[Blood_Dragoon]

Actually in most cases the people that deliberately want to cheat are the minority on a game.

[Muku6]

While, I don't know much about the XBox... if this feedback thing is true, it can be pretty rough to an extent. Not everyone will use the feedback fairly and properly. Say, for example, someone has a clan of people and they have a little "war" online. They can give each other false feedback just because they don't like the other clan. While a feedback system seems like a good idea, it can be abused.

[Mystil]

Most likely, more people will be on Xbox PSO, than GC, seeing as we've been screwed out of a Keyboard and everything, and they don't even need one.

[SilencePSO]

So noone really has seen Xbox cheats or dupes, they have just "heard about them" or "read about them", I don't think there is much point to saying things like that, unless you can give me a link to a reliable source that can give me more information.

[Sashi]

On 2003-03-04 06:42, SilencePSO wrote:
So noone really has seen Xbox cheats or dupes, they have just "heard about them" or "read about them", I don't think there is much point to saying things like that, unless you can give me a link to a reliable source that can give me more information.



The dupining on JP v1.0 on GC started as a nasty rumor as well. But look what we have now.

As for linking to a site, I wont. I think its borderline banning, and Id rather not take my chances. There are plenty of sites dedicated to hacking Xbox though.

[ALPHAM0F0]

On 2003-03-04 06:42, SilencePSO wrote:
So noone really has seen Xbox cheats or dupes, they have just "heard about them" or "read about them", I don't think there is much point to saying things like that, unless you can give me a link to a reliable source that can give me more information.


no i've seen these nasty hacked wep's.
but thats why im saying hardly anyone will do it cause, you have to know assembly in order to do it. so you could say, there wont be much of it, but the ones that do will be insane

[Phelan]

I will not post a link to the site, not because I care about being banned, but even more so because I don't want to spread the information around. Yes you are correct, we don't know if it is possible yet, however the method listed does seem very possible. We will just have to wait and see.

[Phobos-X]

While, I don't know much about the XBox... if this feedback thing is true, it can be pretty rough to an extent. Not everyone will use the feedback fairly and properly. Say, for example, someone has a clan of people and they have a little "war" online. They can give each other false feedback just because they don't like the other clan. While a feedback system seems like a good idea, it can be abused.

another fear i have of PSOX. Say, by some act of God, i managed to get 2 Dark Flows, and 3 Lavis Cannons. All of them legit, and maybe i refused to trade/give one away to some asshole, he reports me as cheating. anyone else see where im coming from?

[Phelan]

Yes, but I doubt any action will be taken because of one piece of bad feedback, and if I were you I would give feedback on that dude that says that he is a jerk or otherwise let people know that he is badnews.