Monster Hustler

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End up with Eyeballs with teeth and tongues, who try to eat everything when you put in your Pokeyman CD Soundtrax. Evolution at work.

Others seem to have those Gene Simmons' too:::

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what in the molten Rockmen :???:

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I remember hating Monster Rancher, always thought it was a fake Pokemon even though they are probably 2 different things entirely.

[Nitro Vordex]

Ohgod, Monster Rancher. That one eyed thing was nightmare fuel.

[Tetsaru]

Those yellow eyeball things from Monster Rancher always reminded me of the Ahrimans from Final Fantasy (http://www.ffcompendium.com/low/espmon/ahriman.shtml) without their wings:

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http://www.thekoalition.com/wp-content/gallery/final-fantasy-xiv-assets/ahriman.jpg
Isn't he adorable? :wacko: This is supposed to be the Ahriman model for FF14, btw.
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[Randomness]

Really? Interesting.

[Vanzazikon]

Those yellow eyeball things from Monster Rancher always reminded me of the Ahrimans from Final Fantasy (http://www.ffcompendium.com/low/espmon/ahriman.shtml) without their wings:

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http://www.thekoalition.com/wp-content/gallery/final-fantasy-xiv-assets/ahriman.jpg
Isn't he adorable? :wacko: This is supposed to be the Ahriman model for FF14, btw.
[/spoiler-box]I thought so as well.

Ohohoho, I love how the ahriman in FFXIV is going to look like.

[Adriano]

HOly, Monster Rancher was awesome.
So much better than pokemon.
Why?
Because the monster's DIED.
Nothing like taking your favorite monster to a tournament, just to have a Golem (that huge rock dudely) flick it, and send it to the hospital, and it die a week afterwards.

Also Pixie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIo_0kQFYck
Oh and...


:wacko:

[Weeaboolits]

I just remember going through all my mom's CDs as a kid while playing it, and making note of which ones made really cool monsters.

[Outrider]

Yeah, Monster Hunter was a derivative Pokemon clone that's you can pretty easily ignore EXCEPT for the whole "create monsters from other media" aspect.

That was a genius gimmick, if you ask me. I also loved how they adapted it depending on what platform you were playing on. Playstation allowed you to use music CDs, PS2 let you use DVD movies, and the DS allowed you to use GBA cartridges.

[Adriano]

To be honest, I don't think Pokemon was any form of inspiration behind monster rancher, looking at their release dates... Pokemon came out about a year before monster rancher.
I'm sure it takes longer than that, to come up with a game with ~500 creatures that you can make/train/battle, and it not look like a complete mess.
Also Monster rancher had TONS, and TONS of attack skills. Made pokemon's 4 skill cap look special needs.

Not to mention the monster rancher anime. :wacko:
Was worlds better than pokemon.

If anything, Pokemon copied off of monster Rancher, remember that 3D monstrosity dubbed pokemon Stadium? It came out 2 years after Monster Rancher.
Aside from stadium, the games are pretty much nothing alike.

[Outrider]

To be honest, I don't think Pokemon was any form of inspiration behind monster rancher, looking at their release dates... Pokemon came out about a year before monster rancher.
I'm sure it takes longer than that, to come up with a game with ~500 creatures that you can make/train/battle, and it not look like a complete mess.
Also Monster rancher had TONS, and TONS of attack skills. Made pokemon's 4 skill cap look special needs.

Not to mention the monster rancher anime. :wacko:
Was worlds better than pokemon.

If anything, Pokemon copied off of monster Rancher, remember that 3D monstrosity dubbed pokemon Stadium? It came out 2 years after Monster Rancher.
Aside from stadium, the games are pretty much nothing alike.

It came out a year and a half after Pokemon in the middle of the Pokemon craze.

It was about collecting monsters and making them battle each other.

It is very obviously a cash-in on Pokemon.

The only reason it initially succeeded while others failed was its monster import gimmick.

To suggest that Pokemon Stadium - an extrapolation of the final act of the first game - was somehow influenced by Monster Rancher is just a sign of ignorance.


What I'm trying to say is that no, Monster Rancher has always just been a poor man's Pokemon. Don't be trollin'.

[Adriano]

It came out a year and a half after Pokemon in the middle of the Pokemon craze.

It was about collecting monsters and making them battle each other.

It is very obviously a cash-in on Pokemon.

The only reason it initially succeeded while others failed was its monster import gimmick.

To suggest that Pokemon Stadium - an extrapolation of the final act of the first game - was somehow influenced by Monster Rancher is just a sign of ignorance.


What I'm trying to say is that no, Monster Hunter has always just been a poor man's Pokemon. Don't be trollin'.
Firstly, it's called Monster Rancher or Monster Farm (in japanese)

You don't collect them at all. You only use one at a time. Where as pokemon, you run around with a whole gaggle of the little bastards, though I enjoyed both games, to anyone who played both, they know they are two completely different games, that give off two completely different feelings.

Second, from the very first Monster Rancher, there was an in game feature, that allowed you to combine your monsters together, to make a baby version of an entirely new monster which showed characteristics of the parents (be it physical, or techniques).
Hmmm I wonder where pokemon got the idea to create baby pokemon/breeding for the second generation games......


And I played Pokemon Stadium, it felt cheesy, droll, and generic, there was no innovation...I could barely take it seriously, it was a joke.
Seriously. Only die hard pokemon zealots enjoyed that BS.

[Out_Kast]

I just remember going through all my mom's CDs as a kid while playing it, and making note of which ones made really cool monsters.

This. I spent days looking for something decent. It never happened.

[Outrider]

Firstly, it's called Monster Rancher or Monster Farm (in japanese)

You don't collect them at all. You only use one at a time. Where as pokemon, you run around with a whole gaggle of the little bastards, though I enjoyed both games, to anyone who played both, they know they are two completely different games, that give off two completely different feelings.

Second, from the very first Monster Rancher, there was an in game feature, that allowed you to combine your monsters together, to make a baby version of an entirely new monster which showed characteristics of the parents (be it physical, or techniques).
Hmmm I wonder where pokemon got the idea to create baby pokemon/breeding for the second generation games......


And I played Pokemon Stadium, it felt cheesy, droll, and generic, there was no innovation...I could barely take it seriously, it was a joke.
Seriously. Only die hard pokemon zealots enjoyed that BS.

Whoops, sorry. I have Monster Hunter on my mind.

Okay, wasting enough time on a series nobody cares about anymore. Last thing though - breeding gameplay has (disturbingly) been around for much longer than the mid to late nineties. Your point is moot, kiddo.

EDIT: Actually, if we really want to boil down monster collection gameplay to its basest elements, we'd have to go back to the first MegaTen game at the very least.

It pretty much goes MegaTen to DQV to Pokemon if we're trying to narrow things down by relevance, though.

[Adriano]

Last thing though - breeding gameplay has (disturbingly) been around for much longer than the mid to late nineties.



And I am aware, but there was no relation to breeding and pokemon until after monster rancher came out.



You know what, compairing the two games is completely asinine.
They are two totally different games, and it was a fail discussion before it even started.

[Randomness]

Whoops, sorry. I have Monster Hunter on my mind.

Okay, wasting enough time on a series nobody cares about anymore. Last thing though - breeding gameplay has (disturbingly) been around for much longer than the mid to late nineties. Your point is moot, kiddo.

EDIT: Actually, if we really want to boil down monster collection gameplay to its basest elements, we'd have to go back to the first MegaTen game at the very least.

It pretty much goes MegaTen to DQV to Pokemon if we're trying to narrow things down by relevance, though.

Yeah, Megaten definitely has old, old instances of "breeding" aka fusion.

[HAYABUSA-FMW-]

This is not how to hustle monsters.

Or affection from your peers by knowing more about monster games.

This is not what either Japan creator wanted when they made games about their bug collecting from caves, or farming experiences with the animals they wanted to train up and bring to blue ribbon prize events >> tournaments to battle other farmers dudes who think they soo bad.

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Outrider -3 cool points for bashing your own game you're playing, calling Adriano a kid, then calling the game "brilliant ideas with media use 2 posts back" - pulling an XBLOX 180 now "wasting more time on a series nobody cares about anymore" - 2 posts down.

Adriano +2, how discussion seemed to turn South too fast even after initial agreements, and Pokeyman now taken out of the creator's initial vision into small increments of improvement because its such a cash cow time sink.

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Now to find out why the Daikarin mega Fanfic got a new post in 2/2010

& pixelate "asking someone to beat up the cookie monster!" - 2003

[Weeaboolits]

To be honest, I don't think Pokemon was any form of inspiration behind monster rancher, looking at their release dates... Pokemon came out about a year before monster rancher.
I'm sure it takes longer than that, to come up with a game with ~500 creatures that you can make/train/battle, and it not look like a complete mess.
Also Monster rancher had TONS, and TONS of attack skills. Made pokemon's 4 skill cap look special needs.

Not to mention the monster rancher anime. :wacko:
Was worlds better than pokemon.

If anything, Pokemon copied off of monster Rancher, remember that 3D monstrosity dubbed pokemon Stadium? It came out 2 years after Monster Rancher.
Aside from stadium, the games are pretty much nothing alike.500+ palette swaps, you mean, I loved the game, but I do distinctly remember them simply changing the colors on a naga and passing it off as a new monster.

I was never a fan of the animu, but I won't hesitate to say the pokemon one is nothing special, I loved it when it first came out, mainly because I was only about 10 at the time.

Lastly, I fail to see how Pokemon Stadium was copying Monster Rancher? Did Monster Rancher invent 3D rendering? If not, I fail to see the correlation, since all Stadium did was take the same Pokemon game mechanics and toss some pretty (for the time) 3D graphics on them. Also fun minigames, which I don't recall Monster Rancher having, unless I simply don't remember them.


You know what, compairing the two games is completely asinine.
They are two totally different games, and it was a fail discussion before it even started.I just now noticed this, but I went through all the trouble of typing up this post, so I'm hitting submit, goddammit.

[Adriano]

500+ palette swaps, you mean, I loved the game, but I do distinctly remember them simply changing the colors on a naga and passing it off as a new monster.

I'm pretty sure every game reskins duplicate models... or in pokemons case, just draw a little fur or some scales somewhere and name it something new.
http://noyesdude.com/new%20eevee.jpg
Seeing as the pokemon games in question weren't in 3D...I wouldn't doubt that the gameboy/color version were probably in development around the same time as Monster Rancher.




Lastly, I fail to see how Pokemon Stadium was copying Monster Rancher? Did Monster Rancher invent 3D rendering? If not, I fail to see the correlation, since all Stadium did was take the same Pokemon game mechanics and toss some pretty (for the time) 3D graphics on them. Also fun minigames, which I don't recall Monster Rancher having, unless I simply don't remember them.

The point wasn't to say "Oh, Monster Rancher did this first, so pokemon is a poser."
I was just trying to show that it is easy to say X game copied off of Y because it did Z before the other.
But, in actuality, unless someone here worked for Tecmo, or Nintendo oh, say 15 years ago. There is no proof to that, or there is no proof to otherwise.
I wouldn't have even said anything until the two games were pulled into comparison...in the 2nd post of this thread....which lead to ..

Yeah, Monster Hunter was a derivative Pokemon clone that's you can pretty easily ignore...

This..
Which is a rather glib statement to say about something, unless there is experience with each subjects.


I just now noticed this, but I went through all the trouble of typing up this post, so I'm hitting submit, goddammit.

Good job, I probably shouldn't have replied, but I wanted to be clear.


But...this topic is boring me now.

So how about them digimonz y'all

[Outrider]

Outrider -3 cool points for bashing your own game you're playing, calling Adriano a kid, then calling the game "brilliant ideas with media use 2 posts back" - pulling an XBLOX 180 now "wasting more time on a series nobody cares about anymore" - 2 posts down.

I just call 'em like I see 'em.

[Weeaboolits]

I'm pretty sure every game reskins duplicate models... or in pokemons case, just draw a little fur or some scales somewhere and name it something new.
http://noyesdude.com/new%20eevee.jpg
Seeing as the pokemon games in question weren't in 3D...I wouldn't doubt that the gameboy/color version were probably in development around the same time as Monster Rancher.http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w8/Ronin_Cooper/Screencaps/Monster%20Rancher/230px-MR1_Amenho.pnghttp://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w8/Ronin_Cooper/Screencaps/Monster%20Rancher/230px-MR1_Bikini.pnghttp://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w8/Ronin_Cooper/Screencaps/Monster%20Rancher/230px-MR1_Dean.png
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w8/Ronin_Cooper/Screencaps/Monster%20Rancher/230px-MR1_Echo.pnghttp://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w8/Ronin_Cooper/Screencaps/Monster%20Rancher/230px-MR1_Golem.pnghttp://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w8/Ronin_Cooper/Screencaps/Monster%20Rancher/230px-MR1_IceMan.png
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w8/Ronin_Cooper/Screencaps/Monster%20Rancher/230px-MR1_Magna.pnghttp://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w8/Ronin_Cooper/Screencaps/Monster%20Rancher/230px-MR1_Maigon.pnghttp://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w8/Ronin_Cooper/Screencaps/Monster%20Rancher/230px-MR1_Marble.png
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w8/Ronin_Cooper/Screencaps/Monster%20Rancher/230px-MR1_Poseidon.pnghttp://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w8/Ronin_Cooper/Screencaps/Monster%20Rancher/230px-MR1_Shadow.png

Is more what I was getting at. That's only about half of them by the way, and out of only the Golem monster class.

Not saying I didn't like Monster Rancher, I did, but comparing Eevee to that isn't quite fair.



The point wasn't to say "Oh, Monster Rancher did this first, so pokemon is a poser."
I was just trying to show that it is easy to say X game copied off of Y because it did Z before the other.
But, in actuality, unless someone here worked for Tecmo, or Nintendo oh, say 15 years ago. There is no proof to that, or there is no proof to otherwise.
I wouldn't have even said anything until the two games were pulled into comparison...in the 2nd post of this thread....which lead to ..I didn't even mean to bring in all that, I was more meaning to point out there's no real similarities between Pokemon Stadium and Monster Rancher aside from the fact that both of them have monsters that fight in 3D. It's been years since I last played Monster Rancher, but I don't recall their combat being to blatantly similar, I'd sooner bring in Megami Tensei (as was said) or Dragon Warrior Monsters as a comparison to Pokemon over Monster Rancher. Although even those are different enough that the comparison isn't quite fair.


Also, for the hell of it, I looked it up, Monster Rancher was released nearly a year and a half after Pokemon in Japan (July 24, 1997, Pokemon red/green having been released on February 27, 1996). It got released in North America before Pokemon did, though.


At any rate, I don't really care that much, I just feel better when I properly explain myself.

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Now that that's over and done with.

Time to do what they do, even though they're monsters, people.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxcM3nCsglA

And it seems someone beat up Cookie Monster, not asked to, at all.

Crazy Witches.

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Cookie monster...Super? -man! Doing work, son. Cookie Superman, can't play now. Must make money to buy cookies.