FOmar the worst FO ever!?

[Robomonke]

Currently im convinced that the Fomar is a waste and a scar on the glory that is PSO. If someone can come up with a few reasons to support/deny this accusation id appreciate it. (nothin like rekindling the flames of a good ole heated debate)

a real fast overview of downsides

no good bonuses (FOnewms get Gi and Ra bonus)Gi only 4 FOmar

No TP regeneration

Severly dininished stats

Bad MST on a FO?!?!?.....

Low Hp

Fast casting is actually not that great all males cast faster than females but the FOnewm is barly behind FOmar in casting time. (we are talkin not even half a second difference.)

Fomars have stupid hats. (had to throw that one in lol http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif)

They wear a dress. (yeah im running out of reasons now...)

Thats about it for now..thx plz post a response

No fanboys whos only reason is all the others suxors!!!11 or cuz FomArs Rox!!


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[Blood_Dragoon]

Is there any reason you posted this 3 times?

[GandorDurin]

Some good points about FOmars.

They have neat looking outfits/hair types.
They're somewhat challenging to use.
They have a huge shifta/deband range.
They're good with weapons as well as spells.

http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

[Guntz348]

Nice tripple post http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[Rhete]

Much as I don't want to like him, FOmar isn't that bad. He doesnt excel in anything, but he's pretty good in a lot of areas. FOmarl in my opinion is by far the worst force


On 2003-03-04 19:38, Robomonke wrote:
no good bonuses (FOnewms get Gi and Ra bonus)Gi only 4 FOmar


At least he has some attack bonuses, he also gets a grants boost, which is FOmarls only attack spell boost.


No TP regeneration


TP regen sucks. FOmarl doesn't get it either, but I'd rather have 100 materials over tp regen


Severly dininished stats


His ATP and MST are great, especially his ATP.


Bad MST on a FO?!?!?.....


Better than FOmarls


Low Hp


All forces have bad HP, and his is still better than the super frail FOnewearl

And they cast as fast as FOnewm, which is a big plus. FOmar has a huge atp advantage over every other force, making him the only one that can actually do decent damage with a weapon, which can be useful against tech resistant monsters, like vol opt version 2 and sinow zele

[Brundidge]

I think FOmars really define the term "for advance players."

I laugh at some of the things mentioned. I don't men would wear dress but they would wear robes. As for the hats the are other heads for him (). Stats and stat growth are okay if you make your mag right. I don't think TP regen is a good idea if you have hella high TP (unless your the kind of person that can stand around to wait for it).

lolita edit: read rule 19



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[Omni-SqwirL]

FOmar isn't a bad char at all. Reasons why

You can make it look cool
Balanced growth is pretty darn cool
I can make it look like me wearing a robe
FOmars are basically for advanced players
If a char really sucks, then the game wouldn't have it and not people people would play it.

[Hunter4life]

The reason i like FoMars is for the same reason i like Hunewearls, their versitality(im pretty sure i spelled that one wrong). Hunewerals can serve as a force when needed, just like the Fomar can be a hunter when needed. Besides, i think their looks are alot cooler than the Fonewm's.

[Omni-SqwirL]

On 2003-03-05 08:23, Hunter4life wrote:
Besides, i think their looks are alot cooler than the Fonewm's.


Agreed man...Agreed

[garian]

Omg how does FOmar look in comparison to the other Forces, hes the only Force that looks cool IMO. FOmarls run like they have something stuck up their arse and FOnewearl and FOnewm have pointy ears tight er... tights http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif and

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[Legolas07]

Dude, stop posting all this crap. Everyone is different, everyone has different views. We dont need 999 posts about who thinks what.

[FreakinRican]

On 2003-03-05 11:33, Legolas07 wrote:
Dude, stop posting all this crap. Everyone is different, everyone has different views. We dont need 999 posts about who thinks what.



Best.Post.Ever

[Squall8VIII]

http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_mad.gif FOmars rock! All who oppose us FOmars will be burned to death with Rafoie!!! http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_bash.gif By the way, its not a dress, it's called a robe. Why doesn't anyone understand that? http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_chuck-ball.gif

[Blenjar]

On 2003-03-05 11:33, Legolas07 wrote:
Dude, stop posting all this crap. Everyone is different, everyone has different views. We dont need 999 posts about who thinks what.


Yea, what he said.

[Blood_Dragoon]

On 2003-03-05 11:53, Squall8VIII wrote:
http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_mad.gif FOmars rock! All who oppose us FOmars will be burned to death with Rafoie!!! http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_bash.gif By the way, its not a dress, it's called a robe. Why doesn't anyone understand that? http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_chuck-ball.gif



That just reminds me of some commercial I seen awhile ago.

"Nice dress."
"It's not a dress. It's a sorceror's gown."
"Isn't a gown a dress?"
"No!"
*Long pause*
"Yes it is."

Still these what char is best or what char is worst threads are pointless since roughly 95% of the responses are simply going to be opinions.

[fyrewyre]

i've walked into games with my fomar and pan-arms and dealt the same damage with weps than the other pansy forces delt with...any tech besides resta. i used 100mats on mind i think and the rest on def/hp/luck..its all about planning http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif
(doesnt use high pow mags)

[wizkid357]

FOmars are good because grants bonus,they are so much more cool looking(at least they don`t have the pointy ears),they have the 3rd best TP and have a low attack power but there magic makes up!Why I oughta!!!You stink you crtic!

[wizkid357]

You said they had hats you don`t need too have them and what about FOnewm with his hat and FOmarl huh...huh.

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[MadCowChuck_]

Oh, OK, so you don't want a hat? So you get to pick from one of the FOmar's HAIRSTYLES, eh?

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[SkyHawkX]

Fomars are teh suq in battle.

[Robomonke]

Wizkid im not sure if your good at math but 3rd best out of 4 isnt very good....

[Sedyne]

That's an opinion. They are definitly the worst magick using force, however they are much handier in combat with hi hit % mechs and almost any other force on episode 2. Well thats my opinion anyway. I've cleared Seabed area offline with my level 124 FOmar. Didn't die once.

[Sparkoma]

damn it i NOT a dress its a robe!!!!!!

just had to say that.....

[Bloodberry]

On 2003-03-05 12:12, Blood_Dragoon wrote:

On 2003-03-05 11:53, Squall8VIII wrote:
http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_mad.gif FOmars rock! All who oppose us FOmars will be burned to death with Rafoie!!! http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_bash.gif By the way, its not a dress, it's called a robe. Why doesn't anyone understand that? http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_chuck-ball.gif



That just reminds me of some commercial I seen awhile ago.

"Nice dress."
"It's not a dress. It's a sorceror's gown."
"Isn't a gown a dress?"
"No!"
*Long pause*
"Yes it is."

Still these what char is best or what char is worst threads are pointless since roughly 95% of the responses are simply going to be opinions.



Jackie Chan. Who doesn't love Jackie Chan? All good things can be related to the Chan-man.

[Toyzferall]

But, see, a lot of you are missing the point. Until we can use techs and physical attacks at the same time, or do attacks that take both ATP and MST into consideration... FOmars are just NOT as good of a FOrce as the FOnewm. I know these numbers aren't correct, but here's what it burns down to: Say a FOmar and a FOnewm at the same level, with the same equipment enter the same game. With techs, the FOnewm could be doing well over 1000 damage, while the FOmar would be doing possibly even less than 800 to the same enemies. Now, they decide to use physical attacks. The FOmar does, say... 100 damage per hit. The FOnewm does somewhere closer to 50, probably less. But see, that DOESN'T balance things out. Because you could cast a spell just as easily as you could attack someone. So why do 100 damage when you could do 800? Using the same logic, why do 50 damage when you could do 1000? And applying it even again, why do 800 damage when you could do 1000? And for the tech-resistant enemies... There's so few... That I don't even bother considering this an issue. Besides, even still, the 100 damage the FOmar would do IS better than the 50 a FOnewm would do... But it's nothing compared to the 500-something a HUcast of the same level would do. So offensively, FOmars are relatively useless compared to the FOnewm. As are FOmarls. However, defensively... They're both quite handy. But STILL not overall as useful compared to a good ol' Richard Simmons-wannabe FOnewm. And on a side note... Robes DON'T have ruffles. Some of those are dresses. Some are robes. And a lot of the headwear is quite fagadelic. I've seen plenty of FOmars that look totally badassed. *Shrug* Depends on how you make 'em. Same goes for the FOnewm.

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[Maelkith]

an online comparison between a hucast and fomar is sort of unfair. the hucast will hit harder in most cases. but a hucast cant compare to a fomar when a force isnt present. level 30 sdjz makes a fomar geared toward power and defense quite a bit more lethal and durable than a hucast. i have solo-ed online with a hucast in ultimate ruins as well as a fomar. a hucast with a red sword, and hit% mechs will have a hard time alone at level 140. a fomar with a soul banish and hit% mechs will not have as hard a time at level 125. the difference is in the usage of resta and sdjz.

a fonewm with the same gear? when was the last time anyone seen a level 125 fonewm packing a soul banish and mechs? thats just not feasible or efficient. but, it is entirely neccessary with a fomar. a fomar is only a power mag and arm units away from being a level 30 tech using hunter. as a force they are only adequate. as a hunter they are respectable. i can only imagine how good they are above level 180. at that point they must be respectable magic users as well.

i love playing on teams with a melee fomar. he is usually j/z-ing everything to maximize his damage. the fonewms i have played with are way too busy casting rafoie or razonde to care about casting jellen and zalure. the fonewms usually just lead the enemies to me and hide while i get pummelled. when playing with fonewms i usually just stick with a handgun and hit everything before they kill it. fonewms, although the best true forces, are actually the worst forces because the class does not neccessitate team play. i am sure there are really good fonewms out there, but i have only met one or two who care about the other players.

[RA-Novus]

A few words here John (if that is your real name) FOmar is not the worst FO Infact in my opinion FOmarl is because she looks like an idiot when she runs seriously who designed her?Her stats don't matter I could not stand watching that for countless hours.



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[wizkid357]

On 2003-03-05 11:53, Squall8VIII wrote:
http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_mad.gif FOmars rock! All who oppose us FOmars will be burned to death with Rafoie!!! http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_bash.gif By the way, its not a dress, it's called a robe. Why doesn't anyone understand that? http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_chuck-ball.gif




Well agreed!

[critter]

fomar's are known for their quickness in combat. the fact that u think they suck is because they r jus not ur type. im good at the heated combat of Humars. Fomars jus rent my style.

oh yea its not a dress it is a robe


if u make it white it can be a bathrobe http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[Robomonke]

Maelkith all i can say is..your brilliant! That was my logic on the situation and there isnt a single person who has posted here who has had a good enough comment to shoot that one down. Thank you!



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[elfin]

Exactly my point Malekith.... i have a lvl 146 FOmar.. And so far ive only soloed offline... I can only imagine how powerfull he will become at 200... Another point i think is important to adress is the damage difference... I dont know how accurate this is, but it must have some significanse... When i level-up i gain aproximently 5 MST units and that usually results in a point or two more in damage with the Gizonde spell... I think that is with the Storm wand, Yellow Merge and ofcourse the character bonus... But i cant say for sure... The FOnewm has a max MST of 1500, while the FOmar has a max of 1340. The difference is there but if my theory is somewhat correct, the damage difference will be... Well, not that much really... This is ofcourse i referens to the GI spells.

[Stricker]

I think Fomar are cool looking characters. (robe and hair) Here are many Fomar lovers so watch your mouth. Don't say anything offensive.

[wizkid357]

On 2003-03-05 13:34, MadCowChuck_ wrote:
Oh, OK, so you don't want a hat? So you get to pick from one of the FOmar's HAIRSTYLES, eh?



Evan if FOmars have spikie hair but that doesn`t mean they have hairstyles.


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[Robomonke]

Wiz kid...all i can say is you sound smarter when you don't talk....

[FreakinRican]

On 2003-03-05 11:53, Squall8VIII wrote:
All who oppose us FOmars will be burned to death with Rafoie!!! http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_bash.gif

Yea, crappy RaFoie...

[Elixer]

if you know what you are doing FOmar is actually a very good force. If you know how to build your stats and do everything right then this character can do a lot of damage with techs or with a combination of both attacking and magic

[Ghaleon]

http://pso-world.com/images/screenshots/010703/melface.jpg

here is one badass FOmar

[Cloud_01]

Looks cool. I like the evil look to him.

If I ever do make a FOmar, i'm going to go with an evil look with the costume.

[Blood_Dragoon]

Ghaleon that FOmar looks almost exactly like mine. Mine has the same hairstyle cept with blonde hair and uses a purple rati mag.

[MadCowChuck_]

On 2003-03-07 15:34, wizkid357 wrote:

On 2003-03-07 13:25, Robomonke wrote:
Wiz kid...all i can say is you sound smarter when you don't talk....




Wow I saw your mouth moving but it sounded like you were saying blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.



I support robo's theory.

[HC82]

Eh, FOmars suck early on, but once properly groomed they are effective Forces. If your not skilled with hunters and Forces your gonna have a tough time competing with the other FOs.

What throws off most FOmars is that early on your techs are superior to your melee. So as FOmars grow(135+) they tend to focus on tech damage, and fail to also work on their melee aspect. They don't try to obtain weapons which have high hit to compensate for there low ATA, and most FOmars don't realize that with 1000atp you can deal some REALLY good melee damage.

His MST while not that high is still good enough to deal some fairly good tech damage on the right enemies.

Assuming your the only force on the team and your in EP2, don't wear a damage tech merge, wear a resta merge. With the resta merge on you'll have x2 resta, x2 shifta & deband, which are the same support abilities the FOmarl has(anti being the exception).

Get a high HIT % weapon and you'll be able to make up for your lack of ata. Thats IMO the only challenging part of using a FOmar. If you can't get a high hit weapon for the FOmar(like 50% hit vulcans) then your character will have a tough time in CCA and Seabed.

No joke but a FOmar can deal some SERIOUS melee damage if they are outfitted with the right weapons and have their ATP maxed out. Thats what is IMO the toughest part of using a FOmar, getting high hit weapons that are strong. Vulcans/gatlings are probably the easiest weapons to get which have high hit % and are also equally damaging with a base atp of 1000+.

As a high level FOmar, Gifoie should be used BEFORE the enemies spawn in the room. After you clear a wave, cast two or 3 gifoies while the rooms still empty. Once the enemies appear the gifoie won't have to travel so far to hit the enemies, and then you melee the crap out of them. Of course you have to be aware of the spawning patterns in each room so you know when to cast gifoie. Also gizonde while barefisted just owns.

If your playing a FOmar thats 140+ and your just using RA techs then you should just use a FOnewman. Although if you don't have any good hit% weapons then your in trouble.

I will admit that Gibarta is lacking. While people claim it freezes better then rabarta, it's lack of speed negates it's better freezing ability when compared to rabarta. It is somewhat damaging, but rabarta and barta just seem to be better unless your using it on a single target.

Anyway FOmar is a challenging melee FO to groom into an effective force.
But...He is more of a melee FO then a caster FO, so hes more compareable to FOmarl then FOnewman.

[MadCowChuck_]

Snickers? I wouldn't eat Snickers in a million years, they're so fattening.

Speaking of ugliness, how about that FOmar? Do I need to mention the frilly dress things, the haircuts that looks like a bad version of the 80s, and the hats that...are just simply and a half?

Now, now, folks, meleeing is good and all. Meleeing's fine. Of course, I've seen FOrces...and I've seen a hell of a lot more bad FOmars than bad any other FOrce. Even FOmarls.

I mean, unless you're really rich, why would you want a FOmar? You need a pow mag, a mind mag, god/powers and minds, good weaponry, etc...in my opinion, he's too divided between two things that other forces and hunters can do much better.

It takes an expert to really know how to get a FOmar to break triple-digit damage. Maybe that challenge is nice (and I agree he's a lot more challenging than other characters) but he's split between too many areas of expertise. Like robo said...jack of all trades, master of none.

And did I mention the hats?

lolita edit: read rule 19

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[AlliancePaladin]

FOmars Rule! All fools who oppose the FOmars beware! 7 days! WE ARE GONNA GETCHA! MUAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAH! wait a minute I don't even use a FOmar, o well! HUnters all the way...

[Hunter4life]

too....many....quotes....argh!

[Zeebo]

I agree To many posts....-

[Uncle_bob]

The worst Force is one that doesn't know what the hell they are doing. (Not casting S/D/J/Z/R, trying to melee when their techs do more damage)

[Ghaleon]

You need a pow mag, a mind mag, god/powers and minds, good weaponry

nope not true. i dont use units. i can go through ultimate forest with a regular saber (the kind you start out with at lvl 1) and cleared it out in 30 minutes

[MadCowChuck_]

...if you're clearing forest in half an hour...you're just about the slowest leveler I've ever seen. Most peopel clear forest in 6-8 minutes. And most people don't use a saber at ultimate forest.

[wizkid357]

On 2003-03-08 19:08, MadCowChuck_ wrote:
...if you're clearing forest in half an hour...you're just about the slowest leveler I've ever seen. Most peopel clear forest in 6-8 minutes. And most people don't use a saber at ultimate forest.


Like you could beat the forest in ult. in 30 min. and with a saber and without soport units!

[Lman90245]

On 2003-03-08 19:16, wizkid357 wrote:

On 2003-03-08 19:08, MadCowChuck_ wrote:
...if you're clearing forest in half an hour...you're just about the slowest leveler I've ever seen. Most peopel clear forest in 6-8 minutes. And most people don't use a saber at ultimate forest.


Like you could beat the forest in ult. in 30 min. and with a saber and without soport units!



I CAN! .... then again I have one badass RAmar...

[MadCowChuck_]

you have received one warning

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[Orange_Coconut]

This seems to be turning more into a hate argument, maybe things should stop getting so personal? =/
everyone has their own opinions on the matter, and others have to deal with that.

[Hunter4life]

This seems to be turning more into a hate argument, maybe things should stop getting so personal? =/
everyone has their own opinions on the matter, and others have to deal with that.

I agree.

[MadCowChuck_]

Yeah, that helped.

[Ghaleon]

Seriously thought...is that guy Amish? Doesn't he believe in 2-star+ weaponry or units?

Oh, Jevadiah...GOD/POWERS ARE THE SATAN'S TOOL! SATAN'S TOOOOOL!!!!!!


thats not what i was saying. im saying that fomars dont really NEED them. sure we can use them to speed up the killing process and i usually DO use them. i was merely saying i can go without them http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[Squall8VIII]

I'm surprised this topic hasn't been locked yet...

[AlliancePaladin]

Ok this topic is going out of hand

[Robomonke]

well im going to set this bank on track....

Fomars suck! ok now tell my why or why not. unless your name has wizkid in it. if it does



die.

[Ryo_Hayasa]

alright lets see i started a HUmar becaus ei thought it was the right track to go, then i found out how bland they've made him. also i wanted to use a male character for once and beable to use all the techs. well i'me at lvl 56 while the HUmar version is 45 well i'm not looking back.
FOmar: bad Hp, so what when your down use a resta you get full life every time
FOmar: bad defence, thats what a constand Desband is for and sheids and frames
FOmar: i don't think so i'd have to say wearing a cloak is one of the most badass things i've ever seen. i mean he's got to be the 2nd greatest bad ass in the game. they guys wearing a cloak. thought the top hat is funny, but you don't like it, it's gone.
FOmar: Bad stats: no, if he had bad stats everyone would have dumbed him
FOmar: no TP regen, many characters don't have this it isn't anything to miss plus you don't have time to stand around in Ult mode.

in closing no FO is bad, we've all been saved by one lets repect them. because next time the FO might not want to Reverser you
side note: if you give any FO and strong weapon they can double as a hunter now thats a combo. not having to rely on Techs to live.
please don't bash FOmar(l)s anymore

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[Ninpo_Tamashii]

Wow.., had i not stopped posting here earlier, i would have been the first one to say something a long time ago about FOmars. I'm the one most people used to call "bad ass" here when this game first kicked off (You can see my member picture listed as Melface) and i started messing with FOmars. They were the first class i used and so i found their ups and downs quickly, and i found how to compensate for them. Bottom line, Shifta, Deband, Resta, Zalure, and Jallen, all at level 27 or higher, is all you need to own ultimate later. Having a weapon with hit % or at least maxing or gettting close to max ATA by ultimate is also going to help you own it. Don't get caught up in trying to compare stats cus its the assist magic and its effects you can make them have on you and yourself which creates a "barrier of Negitation" which brings both your stats to be "even" and then beyond that "shifta and deband" to have an advantage over your enemy. The higher the level, the greater the advantage. Ata goes down on enemies with a higher level Jallen, making the FOmar's low "defense" not as much of an issue....IF IT CAN MANAGE TO HIT. Then with zalure, it drops the enemies evp and devense points dramtically later from what i can see..., so when your Red Saber that's giving you 2100 atp with Shifta on hits your enemy, you're dishing out a good 700 points of damage or so without a critical, making you bash as good as any HU that you want, AND connecting. Also, here's a secret to over comming the FOmar's horrible weakness "ata" 1. get weapons with hit %, spend the extra time to find them. Lazyness gets you nothing. 2. USE GOD DAMN RA-BARTA. it freezes things.., a high luck=high freeze rate. Trust me, it works. Freezing and or paralizying enemies makes their EVP drop dramatically. People who have gone to Seabed with any Ranger that has a snow queen knows what i mean...they know exactly what i mean. So throw ra-barta on your button list, and go at it. And don't forget, as a Force, you have the right/capabilty to nuke the screen just as good as any newman, and techically better than a FOmarl. Slap on a high Mind mag around 170 or higher -perfeered- and switch all your slots to techs, and go at it nuking whatever you see. TO max out your damage you can try Using the elemtal staff's in conjunction with the correspondnig murge, depending on what techs youw ill use often, this might vary from stage to stage. All in all, a FOmar can do-it-all....so don't down them.., they will own you at level 150 and higher for sure...and earlier depending on the player's skill.



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[Sick-One]

Well said man, I agree..

[Elusive_Llama]

Wow, massive thread. About this whole "FOmar si t3h ghey" thing, I'd say he's more of a crossdresser than a member of the alternative lifestyle community. My friend's nephew made a Fomar...and named him Zelda, complete with blonde hair and everything. It wasn't until a week later that he found out that the Fomar was actually a guy. Lol.

That pic of the Fomar with the wings, DF field, Soul Banish and black costume actually looks pretty good. It takes skill to make a Fomar who doesn't look like a chick. For that matter, it takes skill to make a Fonewm who doesn't look like a fruitcake.

I say go with Fonewearl! Yeah! I made a chibi-Fonewearl with that cute green outfit, long blonde hair, and a hat with two jester-prongs that bounce around whenever she moves. Then I gave her a Davil's Tail mind mag, a set of red/blue/yellow merges and a good cane weapon. If you don't look closely, you wouldn't even notice she had a mag equipped until you saw that tail wagging up and down. I get many compliments on how cute she is, heh.

[ALPHAM0F0]

On 2003-03-08 13:49, MadCowChuck_ wrote:
I hate 'em all but you, Turtleface.


anyone who quotes sealab 2021, is a friend in my opponion!

[Mystil]

On 2003-03-04 19:55, Rhete wrote:
Much as I don't want to like him, FOmar isn't that bad. He doesnt excel in anything, but he's pretty good in a lot of areas. FOmarl in my opinion is by far the worst force


On 2003-03-04 19:38, Robomonke wrote:
no good bonuses (FOnewms get Gi and Ra bonus)Gi only 4 FOmar


At least he has some attack bonuses, he also gets a grants boost, which is FOmarls only attack spell boost.


No TP regeneration


TP regen sucks. FOmarl doesn't get it either, but I'd rather have 100 materials over tp regen


Severly dininished stats


His ATP and MST are great, especially his ATP.


Bad MST on a FO?!?!?.....


Better than FOmarls


Low Hp


All forces have bad HP, and his is still better than the super frail FOnewearl

And they cast as fast as FOnewm, which is a big plus. FOmar has a huge atp advantage over every other force, making him the only one that can actually do decent damage with a weapon, which can be useful against tech resistant monsters, like vol opt version 2 and sinow zele


You must be comparing FOmarls with FOnewearls, MST wise. Cause FOmarls are remarkable forces. Their second in line pretty much. I use to have a FOmarl in v1.

Anyway, I don't like the popularity of them, but oh well. Is it me? but ever since the FOmar was made, FOnewn has been dramatically forgotten.

[MadCowChuck_]

Hmmmm...seems like FOmarls got knocked down quite a bit from their v1 counterparts stat-wise...maybe that's why they arent as poular anymore?

[Robomonke]

True Fomarls are severly nerfed compared to the DC version but even in their nerfed state they outdo Fomars in every catagory cept mst in the long run. and its by like 50 mst..not a huge differance. and i dont even consider atp a factor when i make a force. theres about 3 tech resistant monsters in the game if your justification for a FOmar is "dude u can 0wnzors da tech resistant monsters and do decent damage." These people obviously havent played a Hunter before. Because 200 damage is not decent... 200 damage will get you nowhere in ultimate. It will take you somewhere aound 3-4x longer to clear F1 then a standard HUmar. where as you could be using RAfoie with a FOnewm and clear the forest Faster than any Hunter ever could. Now theres people claiming that the ATP makes up for the lack of....well anything good at all. and don't say" but the support skills make up for it!" all forces have support skills. The Fomars are no better and in the case of FOnewearl and FOmarl they are actually worse. So if someone can please phrase a response so that they don't sound autistic and please give a response that already hasnt been stated because I can say for sure no response in here has validated the FOmars worth. I personally dont like FOmars but i seriously want to be challenged by someone whos not a freiking retard! (just pointing this out but notice how everyone who supports Fomars seems to be about as sharp as a bowling ball?) the best part about that is tthey woont understand what i just said! but they will probably ask someone and then brag that they figured it out...Im waiting fr that to happen. I know it will. So please someone intelligent come up with an original Vindication for the Fomar can be bad "Die Fomar burn in the pits of PSO hell for all eternity!!!11!!!1!" OR "Fomars teh 0wnz u noobs theyzzz kills you guys!!!! mwahahahahhhhhhhhhhahaha. n00borzz" (those are bad examples posted buy idiots by the way) so dont actually post that.... anyway thx and someone please respond! argueing with most of these people takes twice as much time as arguing with my dogs cuz my dogs know when to shut up. so please post and thx for stickin with this Topic

(If we get some more veiws we could pledge to be made a Sticky!) XD



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[MadCowChuck_]

I support the sticky motion...

BTW this whole thread has made me avoid human FOs on the whole now http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif



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[Blood_Dragoon]

Actually I think this topic needs to be locked for the fact the person that started this thread doesn't want to acknowledge facts given against his opinion by other forum members and therefore the discussion is going nowhere.

Maybe you don't like FOmars but many people do because of either their apperance, the stat balance that makes them unique, or the fact they can double as a hunter when needed. FOmars can do a hell of alot more than 200 damage melee in Ult if they are made properly.

Also about the TP regen of newmans. Sure you can sit still for a few hours and wait for your TP to regen to full. Just don't expect your team mates online to wait for you while you do this.

One of the major bonuses for FOmars are their flexability. FOmars don't need to rely only on their techs to deal damage unlike the FOnewm you seem to enjoy compairing it to.

As for tech damage by the way you seem to be making your opinion then the FOnewm sux also because it only gets bonuses to gi and ra techs when the FOnewearl gets bonuses to basic techs which end out with the highest damage at lv 30. In a given situation a FOnewm will need to cast rafoie 3 times to kill a group of monsters where a FOmar could cast gifoie (which requires less tp) twice and finish with melee attacks or just S/D/J/Z the monsters and kill them all melee.

From what it seems to me is that you don't seem to realize the FOmar was designed with different options available to it as opposed to the options of the FOnewm and FOnewearl and as such it doesn't suit your play style and therefore you deem the class worthless and stupid.

[Robomonke]

That sounds about right but...where in your post did u post something legitimatly rectifying the good qualities of the FOmar? (Searches...) Looks like hmmm....Nowhere.


BTW all the reasons you just listed have been previously shot down. As i said in my last post please don't post things that have already been said. Especially ones that have been disproven already.


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[wizkid357]

Your wrong I think FOmarl is the worst but who cares your an idiot you don`t know anything!

[Sick-One]

Every character in this game its ups and its downs, distinct advantages and disadvantages. For alot of people FOmar just isn't the thing to go with, it just isn't their style. Whether or not they like FOmars is their problem. I used to hate them myself because I had played with so many people that didn't know what the hell they were doing, FOmars that tried to be FOnewms. They are very versatile characters, but they don't really excel in anything.. but in the hands of a master (as with any class) they can kick ass in large doses. I've played with FOmars that knew exactly what they were doing.. i.e. SeanX930 or Melface.. made me think twice about calling FOmars "crossdressing pansies". Bah, back on topic.. Don't diss a class until you've tried it, and used it RIGHT

[KirinDave]

It's kind of sad that although the FOmar is so popular, no one seems to realize how to play him. Even with all the info here, I still see FOmars online that just have no idea what they're doing, using a force weapon and in general not sdjz-ing and looking foolish.

What's so much fun about playing a FOmar is that you're always welcome in a party. A FOmar can adapt to serve just about any role with the correct gear to assist. If the party is short on melee power, they can do that. If they need a FOmarl like support character, grab a resta merge and you got one. Need a Fonwem? They can do a decent impression with some units and a mind mag.

On top of all this, FOmars can actually solo pretty easily. The only real drawback I've hit so far is that as FOmars grow, sometimes techs become more powerful and sometimes melee will be stronger. It's realizing when and switching to appropriate mode that is the trick to them. At higher levels you don't need to make that choice anymore though, (basically it's a matter of getting a metric ton of mind materials) and then you have a really neat character.

Most people want a more straightforward character to play, and that's fine. But they probably shouldn't make fun of other classes (*cough*wizkid*cough*). Few classes in the game are really worthless, although for some people it may seem that way.

[Robomonke]

KirinDave your my new hero! Anyone who thinks that Wizkid is a moron is a friend in my book. Your also right about alot of the good things about FOmars. The only problem is that they cant do anything better than any class. Example: they can do decent damage for a FO but will never beat a hunter. They are also the worst magic users of all the FOs. So unlike the HUcast or FOnewm or FOmarl they have nothing to distinguish themselves as quality characters from the other classes.

To sum it up FOmar is a jack of all trades but a master of none http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

[KirinDave]

Well, there is no problem with being a little worse at everything if you can actually do it all. That's what a comprimise class is, after all. I mean, most people really like HUnewearls, but they're a perfect example of a HU trying to comprimise with FO-like abilities. The result is someone who isn't hitting as hard as a HUcast but they have techs and all around decent stats.

It's that kind of character that really has a depth and a breadth that something like a FOnewm doesn't have. Doing only one thing over the lifespan of the character seems to diminish the appeal of the character. I guess this makes me predisposed to FOmars and HUnewearls.

Now if I could only convince my bricky friend his destiny is to play a HUcast. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[Kurosawa]

I had a level 158 FOnewm on the DC, and while I know the GC FOnewm is different, I had been there and done that. For that reason, I chose a FOmar. At level 159 now, I can play the character in any manner I want to. Soloing Seabed or Ruins is never a problem, in fact Seabed goes really quickly. As several other posters have noted, for online play, resta merge is the key. The real pleasure in playing a force (to me) is the s/d j/z job it entails. I just like team play. Then, after taking care of my duties, I either use Vulcans or a Summit Moon to melee. The character is really great fun. I'd say FOmarl is a little better for support, but either one is a good choice. My only problem with FOnewearls is the lack of s/d range, and you can only fix one of those with a merge. FOnewm now seem to be a particularly obnoxious class. They can be almost Spread Needle DC HUmar annoying at times with their Rafoie.

[Blood_Dragoon]

On 2003-03-12 13:06, Robomonke wrote:
That sounds about right but...where in your post did u post something legitimatly rectifying the good qualities of the FOmar? (Searches...) Looks like hmmm....Nowhere.


BTW all the reasons you just listed have been previously shot down. As i said in my last post please don't post things that have already been said. Especially ones that have been disproven already.


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That's funny because the reasons and facts that I listed weren't shot down. You just failed to acknowledge them since you couldn't form a proper counterpoint. Anyway this topic has become pointless as most of it is you and a few others spamming "Teh FOmar is teh sux0rs". No class in this game is truely better than another. It only seems that way to some people because certain ones do not fit their play style. And as someone else stated it doesn't help when large numbers of players use the class incorrectly because they don't know what they are doing in the first place.

[Hunter4life]

To sum it up FOmar is a jack of all trades but a master of none

Well, i hate to admit it (as I am a FOmar user and i really like using him) but Robomonke is right.

[G-Unit]

well there you go son, you got 7 page that talk about your question. Most of them say FOmar are good. So its cool now.

[Robomonke]

On 2003-03-13 04:21, Hunter4life wrote:
Well, i hate to admit it (as I am a FOmar user and i really like using him) but Robomonke is right.




see told ya told ya Blood_Dragon! http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[wizkid357]

I give up,FOmars are good and bad there are some good things and some bad things Robomonke,but your right and wrong at the same time!There I said it!They are good AND bad.

[MadCowChuck_]

But wait? More say FOmars are good...but out of nowhere...


Looks like we got the veto powers on our side http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif



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[wizkid357]

On 2003-03-13 13:19, MadCowChuck_ wrote:
But wait? More say FOmars are good...but out of nowhere...



Looks like we got the veto powers on our side http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif



Give it a rest we get the picture there good and bad!



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[Blood_Dragoon]

On 2003-03-13 13:06, Robomonke wrote:

On 2003-03-13 04:21, Hunter4life wrote:
Well, i hate to admit it (as I am a FOmar user and i really like using him) but Robomonke is right.




see told ya told ya Blood_Dragon! http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif



Jack of all trades doesn't make the FOmar the worst of it's class. It just requires people to rethink how they play it.

And you spelled my name wrong. . . http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[MadCowChuck_]

100th reply and this thread is cheatin' death!

[Orange_Coconut]

Yeah, people have gotten heated up on this topic, I wish it would just go down... Arguing gets no information except for the fact that you gain the knowledge that there are people out there who feel strongly about these sort of things... =/ There are more important things in life

[FO-RA-HUnightv]

back to topic
Fomars get to use 250 mates not including the hp mats
Fomars get 1.3 granits boost and FOnewm dont
Fomars get 1.5 boost to all normal techs
Fomars get faster casting rait. that means all normal techs cast at two time speed witch are the slowest but most rounded techs in damage vs area.

[MadCowChuck_]

On 2003-03-13 22:04, FO-RA-HUnightv wrote:
back to topic
Fomars get to use 250 mates not including the hp mats
Fomars get 1.3 granits boost and FOnewm dont
Fomars get 1.5 boost to all normal techs
Fomars get faster casting rait. that means all normal techs cast at two time speed witch are the slowest but most rounded techs in damage vs area.





This makes less sense than a GWB speech http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

250 mates? I can use all the mates I want on any character. Mats on the other hand...100 doesn't make a huge difference. 200 more MST? ATP? DFP? When all those max at low numbers, it doesn't really matter that much.

1.3 to grantis? Grants...pretty heavy TP spell. FOmars won't be using grants too often.

Normal attacks...slow as dirt. Only benefit here is maybe Gifoie.

Faster casting rate...wow! The FOnewm has the SAME rate (not rait)! IMAGINE THAT!

[wizkid357]

I like them because I never use mates and just cast resta so I have 10 of every mate wich I feed to my mag for a power boost!

[wizkid357]

On 2003-03-14 04:44, MadCowChuck_ wrote:
[quote]
On 2003-03-13 22:04, FO-RA-HUnightv wrote:
back to topic
Fomars get to use 250 mates not including the hp mats
Fomars get 1.3 granits boost and FOnewm dont
Fomars get 1.5 boost to all normal techs
Fomars get faster casting rait. that means all normal techs cast at two time speed witch are the slowest but most rounded techs in damage vs area.






1.3 to grantis? Grants...pretty heavy TP spell. FOmars won't be using grants too often.
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Grance is very useful in bosses like GalGriffon I was desperate to get him but I was hopeless so I used 50,000 mesta on fluids and cast Grance 70 times so you see Grants IS useful!



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[LollipopLolita]

I am very annoyed at this thread. Everyone who are guilty of Rule 19 you're all getting warnings. It's time that you expand your vocabulary and find other words rather than use gay.

I deleted many posts, a lot of you were also warned for spamming and/or flaming. Namely: MadCowChuck, do not do this again, I will not hesistate to ban anyone in this mood.