Loli Hater

[Titan]

I feel like I'm the only one here who hates loli characters. I don't see anything cute about them either. Do they resemble Midgets, annoying tweens, or is it some kind of anonymous pedophilia? I know my reasons are a bit extreme but I think small is only cute when its a puppy. I don't mind short female characters but max shortness looks weird.

I like my hero/heroen to be able to lift more than 5 pounds.

[TenebriS]

I totally agree with you, as long the character has no RP reason(like beeing a kid of someone) it is just dumb :/

[The Master eye]

i only keep my characters short cause they looks like there walk faster than big chars (i know there do not) and bigger chars look like camels or something like this when they walk xD
although i only i have 1 loli.^^ (i would say my newman is no loli char :P)

[Crysteon]

Lol...believe me, you will get used to the japanese lolicon...also with their pantsu complex.

[SolomonGrundy]

I like them if the player is competent. if they are not, loli's do annoy me more than characters.

[ashley50]

are we just talking about Loli chars in-game? or in general?

[Crysteon]

are we just talking about Loli chars in-game? or in general?

I guess it applies in both contexts, but more focused in-game characters.

[Ce'Nedra]

I always had most of my female chars in pso and psu shortest possible, mainly cause a few years ago i was writing a sort of psu/pso fanfic and almost all my chars were teens arround 16-18 years.

To each their own, i dont like huge characters my self, but do you really need to make a hate topic about how certain people make their characters look like? Let people just make a char how they like and leave them be.

[HeartBreak301]

I've never liked them. And I just got out of a game with three of them. (albeit on PSO) They just don't look right.

[Redpaige13]

When I first got PSO, I made a FOnewearl and made her short as hell. I did the same with my Beast character in PSU, and I had NO idea what a "Loli" was until someone called me that. I was all like "wtf is that?"

I make my characters short (Not all of them, usually just my main) because, and I know it sounds silly, I make them to represent my inner-child.

[BIG OLAF]

A loli character in itself doesn't bug me so much. It's just the fact that 90% of the PSU population (on 360 servers) feels the need to make little, kindergarten-sized girl characters. I don't see the appeal. In fact, I find it somewhat disturbing. Why would a 9-year-old be running around with big weapons fighting horrible monsters?

I agree with Heartbreak301: It just doesn't look right. I, personally, make all my characters a realistic age (and therefor, height) for the context of the game.

[Ryno]

Why I have a small/loli character is because back in phantasy star online xbox in 2003 I started with a FOmarl and made her short with my name Ryno. And it looks like my avatar. That is why I have not changed my avatar ever since I joined pso-world. And I made a FOmarl because they can equip ricos glasses and earings. I was going to make a FO Newman for my main but they could equip those items. And then made the same character on psobb and ep3 but hardly played it. Better than no play. But yea that is why I have a small character because I originally have a small character on psox psobb and ep3. :)

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a215/xl2YClNx/user40507_pic7367_1273029236-1.jpg

[Lolitron]

Lolicon = / = pedophile.

One is attracted to loli's which are cartoons. The other is attracted to under-aged girls in real life. It is more than possible the be the former and not the latter. Most people, unlike yourself, are able to differentiate phantasy from reality. Every loli maker, lolicon or not, will condone child pornography.

Most of us are not sexually attracted to our characters. You simply assume this because you are sexually attracted to your characters. It's fine if you don't like loli's, hell I don't like all the weaboos making "cool z0mg sephiroth and cloud" characters in PSU. However it's not fine if you accuse someone of being a pedophile simply because he has a loli as a character. You are baselessly accusing him of a very serious federal offense that is of no joking matter.

[Ryno]

before the loli hater thread was posted , this is what i took before Maint. started yesterday. i was about to post it in screen shot thread or PSU Phasion thread until i saw this thread. :D

lol. i tried to be taller than everyone by jumping. :P
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a215/xl2YClNx/psu20100908_215846_011.jpg

[Delete]

All my characters were medium to kinda tall size.....and one short one that I only made as a joke. But I never did get why people would be like "OMG, I'm short....let's make a clan of us short people because we da bestest."

[TheAstarion]

Short characters avoid Diga.

Personally I'm more sick of male CASTs with the dragonwolf head, human males with the emover hair, and beast males in general made by kids who don't know how to choose the not-horrible face.

In fact, of all my male characters, only one of them doesn't have the final "Japanese" face, and he's a lampoon of how bland human males are. He's basically Bruce with hair and a long coat.

People putting things in their name that aren't part of any possible name ever (xSTx and such)... People naming themselves after their gamertag because they can't think of a character name (a decently designed human female with the name DaveSniper208 or something)... PeOpLe WiTh NaMeS lIkE tHiS, xX And thiS Xx , perhaps I'm just picky but I think all these are a lot more annoying than a short girl, with or without massive boobs.

And what's wrong with there being a bunch of Iggy Rimits huh? She's fun to play! Everyone who plays Iggy agrees. A min-height CAST Protranser alt is a breath of fresh air for some people.

[HeartBreak301]

I'd still like to know what the huge appeal of a big weapon on a little girl is.

[Titan]

Lolicon = / = pedophile.

The reason why I used the term Pedophile is because JP have a site dedicated to nothing but 100% PSU panty shots. I didn't believe it at first but it exist and a lot of those pics were of loli's. So I'm very aware there are plenty out there that are attracted to their avatar.

I'm not bashing anyone, except Ryno because of in game reasons. ^^ I'm mostly just curious what people see in them. So far the most productive reason I've read was because of an "inner child". I never expected that answer.

[DragonForce]

LOL, I think Chris Hansen needs to take a trip to japan! xD

[HeartBreak301]

Wow Japan, way to lower my expectations of you even further.

[Para]

I think your hatred is plain irrational and should not be something that should bother you.

[Ce'Nedra]

I'd still like to know what the huge appeal of a big weapon on a little girl is.

It looks cool to me lol, i always enjoyed seeign big swords or guns on small girls in PSO, and i still love it in PSU. No real reason aside that.

@HeartBreak301: Why are you even suprised? Japanense are crazy lol, nothing suprises me what they do. There is even a fighting game where you win if you manage to take a picture of your oponents panties and get more rewards that way then a normal victory etc. Saw it on youtube sometime.

Strange people...these Japanese, but without them we wouldnt be playing much games or watch anime etc.

[SolomonGrundy]

The reason why I used the term Pedophile is because JP have a site dedicated to nothing but 100% PSU panty shots. I didn't believe it at first but it exist and a lot of those pics were of loli's. So I'm very aware there are plenty out there that are attracted to their avatar.

I'm not bashing anyone, except Ryno because of in game reasons. ^^ I'm mostly just curious what people see in them. So far the most productive reason I've read was because of an "inner child". I never expected that answer.

this is true. even casts.

but I guess no more freakish than furries, who are alive and well here in the good old usa

perversity knows know geographical limits

[Ishia]

I love to hate lolis.

[unicorn]

My female characters are tall, fashionable, glamazons.

I think its quite disturbing if a loli character has a large bust and revealing clothes. I dont mind them if they are dressed in an adorable outfit though.

Of course, this is coming from the guy with a shota character.

[BIG OLAF]

People putting things in their name that aren't part of any possible name ever (xSTx and such)... People naming themselves after their gamertag because they can't think of a character name (a decently designed human female with the name DaveSniper208 or something)... PeOpLe WiTh NaMeS lIkE tHiS, xX And thiS Xx


Amen to that. Even though I find the deluge of short, loli-like characters on PSU somewhat irksome, there is nothing that pisses me off more than stupid character names.

People with "clan tags" in their character's names are idiots, especially now that everyone has access to the custom online status feature. Man, I bet the people who deleted a character to put a clan tag in their name before the GAC are pissed now that the online status came out. Oh, well. Serves those sods right by joining a clan on PSU to begin with. Anyway...

I find it hilarious when people name their PSU characters after their Gamertags, but only if their Gamertags don't makes sense in the context of the game, or have an absurd amount of numbers in them. Sometimes using a Gamertag as a PSU name fits. One of my friends is a good example.

And that brings me to the "stylized" names. You know, like Astarion said in the above quote. Names like:

"mR. aWeSoMe NaMe DuDe LoL",
"XxXxX EVILDEMONSPAWN XxXxX", or
"~~+* SuperKawaiiButterflyPrincess ^_- *+~~".

I mean, holy crap. Do people really have that little originality? I guess so. Whew, I need to cool off.

[Mike]

Some of the PSU clothing/parts doesn't look "right," or perhaps I should say good, on small characters. Then again, there are clothes that don't look right on medium/tall characters either. But it is just a game. I don't really care if a player wants to make small character or tall character. As long as they aren't dying at every corner, I'm ok with them.

[redroses]

You know I hate me those lolis.

[BIG OLAF]

Some of the PSU clothing/parts doesn't look "right," or perhaps I should say good, on small characters. Then again, there are clothes that don't look right on medium/tall characters either.

That's true, too. I, personally, think the GUARDIANS Formal looks silly on short characters, but, on the other hand, the Amorosso Set looks just as silly on taller characters (much to my dismay, as I was looking forward to wearing the blue Amorosso on Nassandra; it looked very out of place and awkward on her).

[Crysteon]

... the Amorosso Set looks just as silly on taller characters (much to my dismay, as I was looking forward to wearing the blue Amorosso on Nassandra; it looked very out of place and awkward on her).

Lol...thank god I'm not the only one who thinks that outfit looks weird on tall girls xD.

[Tetsaru]

Loli's (as well as shota's) are just part of Japan's perverted culture. I could've sword Japan's age of consent was 13 (as opposed to 18 in the US), though I may be wrong on that. I just hate when anime or video games constantly cutesify them and make them annoying and unintelligent as fuck.... desu. @_@

Also, supposedly the whole lolicon pop-culture movement stemmed from this novel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolita). =x

[Seere LaBeyken]

someone must not watch anime, nothing better than a deadly little girl
ex. Hit-girl

[FOkyasuta]

Theres To Many These Days...

[Akumamaru]

i have a child character of my main ionno if this counts in this whole loli/shota convo

[Shou]

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a215/xl2YClNx/user40507_pic7367_1273029236-1.jpg

Card Revoloooooooooooooshun!!!

[Mimo]

My main character on PSU was a small Caseal, the reason being is that it was my first online game my older sis and bro introduced to me and I was extremely excited then. It seemed to fit since we are family and I was very childish then... Makes good for fanfic too!

@Titan: All your chars seem to be average height and size. You need some variety! You should try making a tiny person one day.. or something. : D

Um, I guess I dislike loli's too. Loli, being some small person in revealing outfit and acts too perverted. looooool

[Midori Oku]

I think the Mikunas set looks good on loli characters as well. :)
All of my characters are short but only one of them is as short as possible. I kinda wish I made her a little bit taller but it is too late now. =/

[NoiseHERO]

Short characters avoid Diga.

Personally I'm more sick of male CASTs with the dragonwolf head, human males with the emover hair, and beast males in general made by kids who don't know how to choose the not-horrible face.

In fact, of all my male characters, only one of them doesn't have the final "Japanese" face, and he's a lampoon of how bland human males are. He's basically Bruce with hair and a long coat.

People putting things in their name that aren't part of any possible name ever (xSTx and such)... People naming themselves after their gamertag because they can't think of a character name (a decently designed human female with the name DaveSniper208 or something)... PeOpLe WiTh NaMeS lIkE tHiS, xX And thiS Xx , perhaps I'm just picky but I think all these are a lot more annoying than a short girl, with or without massive boobs.

And what's wrong with there being a bunch of Iggy Rimits huh? She's fun to play! Everyone who plays Iggy agrees. A min-height CAST Protranser alt is a breath of fresh air for some people.

This but, characters "from some other series/somewhere else" is fail if the series is popular enough for "average people" to know where it's from.

and why does it feel like evveryone in this game looks different, yet they all look the same D<

also Shounen > Shoujo

WHY AM I POSTING HERE?!

[HeartBreak301]

I wish more games would let you edit character proportions post creation. Being able to do so in PSO is very nice, even if you have to use a tool to do it.

[TenebriS]

for PSU you need a body style ticket to do (atm aviable at PSU JP, XBOX probalbly gets with the Stamps or whatever else comes instead of GC

[Kion]

LOL, I think Chris Hansen needs to take a trip to japan! xD

LOL! I'm pretty sure he does. I've kind of developed a loli-complex since living in Japan. Japanese school girls are the iconic sex symbols of Japan. They're like catholic school girls, who just want to be bad and they're freaking everywhere. To make matter worse, while women in the west tend to mature and grow as they get older, that trend doesn't seem to follow as much here. So pretty much the height of existence for people who live his is a chance panty-shot of a high school girl as the train goes by.

My sanity is quickly draining away the longer i live here...

[HeartBreak301]

To make matter worse, while women in the west tend to mature and grow as they get older, that trend doesn't seem to follow as much here.

You know, I hadn't thought of that. You make a very good point.

[SolomonGrundy]

LOL! I'm pretty sure he does. I've kind of developed a loli-complex since living in Japan. Japanese school girls are the iconic sex symbols of Japan. They're like catholic school girls, who just want to be bad and they're freaking everywhere. To make matter worse, while women in the west tend to mature and grow as they get older, that trend doesn't seem to follow as much here. So pretty much the height of existence for people who live his is a chance panty-shot of a high school girl as the train goes by.

My sanity is quickly draining away the longer i live here...

Don't worry, he longer they watch our corrupting western pr0n, the better the chance they catch milf fever

[Ryno]

I think the Mikunas set looks good on loli characters as well. :)
All of my characters are short but only one of them is as short as possible. I kinda wish I made her a little bit taller but it is too late now. =/



I wish more games would let you edit character proportions post creation. Being able to do so in PSO is very nice, even if you have to use a tool to do it.


what Tenebris said "XBOX probalbly gets with the Stamps or whatever else comes instead of GC".
i have a body style ticket that i haven't even used on JP servers yet. which i accidentally got because i didn't even know what it was... lol. and it was 1000GC. haha!
i can still use it to make my self taller or larger. aha. which i dont want to. if i did this is how i would look like.


[SPOILER-BOX]

the 1st one is the body style ticket.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a215/xl2YClNx/psu20100910_134244_002.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a215/xl2YClNx/psu20100910_134506_003.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a215/xl2YClNx/psu20100910_134511_004.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a215/xl2YClNx/psu20100910_134519_005.jpg

eehh...and it does not even look right on me... so i'll just keep my self loli/short the whole time. just like from the beginning when I 1st started playing Phantasy Star Online in 2003. :)



[/SPOILER-BOX]

[HeartBreak301]

Haha, you need to pay for that? But then again why am I surprised, it is SEGA.

[Titan]

@Titan: All your chars seem to be average height and size. You need some variety! You should try making a tiny person one day.. or something. : D

o.0 Wat? You must know nothing about my PSU characters. My character Michi is almost max height and she's thick. Katy is really tall with pointy cast hair like Vivienne and Keroro Gunsou is a shota man beast at max shortness.

http://imgur.com/jIsSI.jpg
http://imgur.com/OluUo.jpg

[Vickie]

I play as a Little Girl Character only because i saw "Cast" then this > http://www.amazon.com/gp/mpd/permalink/mON92PC35OPF8 popped into my head when i was thinking of creating a character. I never Make Small Girl or male characters in anything, later on in PSU i wanted to delete it because of the Huge Little People Population but i said Fuck it, Vickie Owns!. Besides, that was back in like 2006 or 7 and now i am way too Deep into this game to change it now and Everyone Knows who she is. btw Being short makes it easier to dodge Vandas Diga lmao. I dont Roleplay as a little Girl neither, Those who know me, know that i have a Serious Potty mouth. But know this: i dont think theres anything wrong with Little People on this game It doesn't Bother me one bit, If anything MAX Height and MAX B looks Retarted. "Jk MAX B"
btw " I know i cap alot of First letters it's a habit"

[Mimo]

o.0 Wat? You must know nothing about my PSU characters. My character Michi is almost max height and she's thick. Katy is really tall with pointy cast hair like Vivienne and Keroro Gunsou is a shota man beast at max shortness.

http://imgur.com/jIsSI.jpg
http://imgur.com/OluUo.jpg

Ohhh, never seen you on those chars. Only Titan SB and oh Katy, but she didnt seem that tall when I was around. Well probably because my Caseal on JP was pretty tall. :) Those aren't your main chars anyways.

[Ryno]

Haha, you need to pay for that? But then again why am I surprised, it is SEGA.

yes indeed. but on accident...lol. i could have used it for GC missions or the GC gacha... lol

[FOkyasuta]

Should Have Put It There In The First Place....

[Sinue_v2]

I feel like I'm the only one here who hates loli characters.

No, you're not. They don't really bother me, but with all my characters being 5,8" at least - wading through the waist-high hordes, I can't help but be constantly aware that I am firmly outside of some strange cultural "loop" that I have resigned from ever being able to understand.



also with their pantsu complex.

Is that where they put their index fingers together and jam them into your buttcrack when you're least suspecting?


I find it somewhat disturbing. Why would a 9-year-old be running around with big weapons fighting horrible monsters?

Apparently, if you haven't saved the world on at least two different occasions by the time you're 12 years old, you haven't made it Japan. I think 24 is retirement age, after which you're too old and feeble to be of any use to the military, magic girl brigades, or special police forces. Collect your pension, try to avoid being stepped on during the giant robot alien thing battles.


Short characters avoid Diga.

Good point, and practical. Sadly, they are not quite so adept at avoiding crotches in crowded lobbies.


I'd still like to know what the huge appeal of a big weapon on a little girl is.

Innuendo turned cliche would be my guess. Think: Sigmund Freud.


because JP have a site dedicated to nothing but 100% PSU panty shots.

This was a surprise to you? Remember, this is also a culture which has been known to produce public vending machines where you can buy the soiled panties of school girls. It's a damned industry. Somebody actually has a job driving a truck full of used panties around town and restocking the machines. I almost don't even know if calling it border-line-pedo would even be applicable. It's such an interwoven quirk of their culture that you just have to accept it or do your best to ignore. It'd be like comparing the Spartans of ancient Greece to the "creepy neckbeard who spend way too much time hanging around the parking lots of Chuck E. Cheese".


My sanity is quickly draining away the longer i live here...

Assimilate into the culture, or learn to adapt to it to it's quirks - but dare not even try to rationalize it. Better men than you have tried... and perished.

[BIG OLAF]

Apparently, if you haven't saved the world on at least two different occasions by the time you're 12 years old, you haven't made it Japan. I think 24 is retirement age, after which you're too old and feeble to be of any use to the military, magic girl brigades, or special police forces. Collect your pension, try to avoid being stepped on during the giant robot alien thing battles.

Frightening, but so very true. Also, I'm with you on being "outside the strange, cultural loop" that is loli characters. I'll never understand the fascination.

[DragonForce]

If I ever lived in japan, I would never assimilate myself with that pedo shit. I have things called standards.

[Karazykid]

Personally I think a lot of the weapons look better on the shorter characters. My Soda Promoto is meant to be a big ass sword, and on my short cast it looks big. You give it to a tall person and it doesn't look nearly as cool. This is especially true for knuckles. On my short cast, then practically take up the whole arm and I think that looks cooler than just being little things on the ends of big peoples wrists.

A lot of the parts look better when you're short too. On tall people the evors arms are crazy huge and just look dumb, but on the short cast they fit better.

[BIG OLAF]

Personally I think a lot of the weapons look better on the shorter characters. My Soda Promoto is meant to be a big ass sword, and on my short cast it looks big. You give it to a tall person and it doesn't look nearly as cool. This is especially true for knuckles. On my short cast, then practically take up the whole arm and I think that looks cooler than just being little things on the ends of big peoples wrists.

A lot of the parts look better when you're short too. On tall people the Evors arms are crazy huge and just look dumb, but on the short cast they fit better.

Right, but that's all opinion. I think exactly the opposite as you: big, bulky weapons look ridiculous and goofy on short characters (sometimes they even stick halfway into the ground), but look completely natural on regular-sized to tall characters.

On a side note, I think the Evors arms look utterly badass on taller CASTs, it just depends on the rest of the outfit, and character girth/height. If my CAST, DarkDrive, puts on the Evors arms, they look pretty sweet (I think, at least). I don't wear them that often, however. I like other arm options better.

[FOkyasuta]

Yup. Hows A Small CAST Supposed To Intimidate A Freaking Taller One? Come On Now.

[TheNoll]

I agree with the annoyance of midget characters.

I like medium to short size character, but short as "a bit below average", not midgets like the vast majority of female characters in this game.

[Khorian]

I can't say much. I made my original HUnewearl at minimum height. I make the majority of my female characters in any game that allows it the shortest possible with the smallest boobs and most revealing clothing possible. Am I a pedophile? Maybe, I don't know. I haven't bothered to expand on the possibility. I probably have lolicon in my hentai folder, but that still has nothing to do with why I make my toons the shortest possible.

I make my females short because the majority are hunters, and recently, protransers. I think nothing is cuter than seeing a 4'5" pointy ear'd girl fire a grenade launcher into a group of vandas, then whip out an Ank Dedda and stand toe to toe with a Bil de Vear.

[Dragwind]

I've never understood the fascination of loli characters, but the only loli character I ever had was on the PC/PS2 PSU servers.

At the time, I made my newearl a loli for the following reasons:
1. smaller hitbox (always funny to see Diga fly over your head and miss)
2. female newman have higher tp (she was primarily a fT/MF)
3. ?

[ashley50]

its nice to look at? :)

[bloodflowers]

Oh look, it's one of these threads again.

You know what I hate? Characters just a tiny bit above average height. it's like - "I want to stand out, but I'm too gutless to really look unusual".

See - the above is just as stupid as the OP, except he meant it.

[FOkyasuta]

Oh look, it's one of these threads again.

You know what I hate? Characters just a tiny bit above average height. it's like - "I want to stand out, but I'm too gutless to really look unusual".

See - the above is just as stupid as the OP, except he meant it.

Oh LOL.

[Khorian]

Ah, but playing the loli toon offers another benefit:

As a straight, and albeit rugged man, I can succumb to my amazing sense of fashion.
They don't make the guy clothes that good. I can't find myself to deviate from "Braves Coat" "Braves Pants" on male characters, but on my loli toon I can double my Partner Machine!
*Ahem*
So, yeah, anyway. Why all the loli hate?

[BIG OLAF]

As a straight, and albeit rugged man, I can succumb to my amazing sense of fashion.
They don't make the guy clothes that good.

All right, but what does clothing have to do with it? Not all female characters are, or need to be, lolis. I have three girls, and all of them are average to slightly-above-average height.

[Khorian]

All right, but what does clothing have to do with it? Not all female characters are, or need to be, lolis. I have three girls, and all of them are average to slightly-above-average height.

I guess I was mimicking the toonish stereotypical loli archetype as a whole. They're usually the best dressed in any situation. It's also like being the super-powerful, boss-nuking fairy thing. I can kill things effectively, move quickly, and look absolutely fabulous while doing it.

That being said, it's not the ONLY type of character I play, I have others at varying heights, genders and races.






Loli's usually my main though.

[FOkyasuta]

I Say The Other Guys Watch To Much Anime.

[ashley50]

I Say The Other Guys Watch To Much Anime.
To Much?

[FOkyasuta]

The One With Lolli Girls In It.

[Titan]

Oh look, it's one of these threads again.

You know what I hate? Characters just a tiny bit above average height. it's like - "I want to stand out, but I'm too gutless to really look unusual".

See - the above is just as stupid as the OP, except he meant it.

Oh? So no thread in the history of forums are allowed to ever pop again, we never adapt, times don't change. Everyone in this thread is the same exact group that posted last time this thread was made?

If I'm stupid for voicing my own opionion then I guess you'd be in the same boat as me since you just voiced yours. I don't really mean anything I say, I take almost nothing seriously and I joke around ALL THE TIME. :ducky:

[Serephim]

I dont mind them. I just dont understand why the fuck japan is so obsessed with underaged females. The sad part is, they'll even go through the trouble of explaining how the 13 year old girl is really 22 but just doesn't look that way. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ReallySevenHundredYearsOld) What the hell.

If that wasn't the case, then i'd loli my characters up all day and night. Unfortunally it isn't a luxury anymore, since the main characters these days are 15-16 year old little girls about 4'9" tall. PSU nor PSP/2 avoids this, they both do it and it's getting quite annoying. I'll never take the series seriously ever.

I guess japan recently forgot what puberty is. Guess they also forgot that it starts like 2 years earlier for females than it does for males. Sick wierdos.



Edit: If you think the "Sick Wierdo" line is harsh, go look at those posters that are borderline (if not 100%) illegal over here that were taken out of the US/EU release of PSPo2. Yeah.

[FOkyasuta]

Friggn Weird.

[Alex305!]

Lol I don't hate lolis or really care for them in fact I just wanna kill stuff. Slay boomas that don't love it. What of it? I just rock a yukata becuase they take 1 inventory slot but I don't think this is a fashion thread. I usually make my females super thick so the kids don't bother me. They don't know about that yet.... :D

[Khorian]

I dont mind them. I just dont understand why the fuck japan is so obsessed with underaged females. The sad part is, they'll even go through the trouble of explaining how the 13 year old girl is really 22 but just doesn't look that way. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ReallySevenHundredYearsOld) What the hell.

If that wasn't the case, then i'd loli my characters up all day and night. Unfortunally it isn't a luxury anymore, since the main characters these days are 15-16 year old little girls about 4'9" tall. PSU nor PSP/2 avoids this, they both do it and it's getting quite annoying. I'll never take the series seriously ever.

I guess japan recently forgot what puberty is. Guess they also forgot that it starts like 2 years earlier for females than it does for males. Sick wierdos.



Edit: If you think the "Sick Wierdo" line is harsh, go look at those posters that are borderline (if not 100%) illegal over here that were taken out of the US/EU release of PSPo2. Yeah.


I think someone mentioned before, but Puberty isn't a natural thing in japan. Apparently it's only good for extreme changes in time and spiky- haired players of certain children's card games. If you're not a war veteran by 20, you're an assistant to a super-scientist, or a Spirit Detective, or Representative Shinmigami.
Either way, you've seen a lot and are more mature than your average 15 year old.
Back when life expectancy didn't go past 40, getting knocked up at 13 by your 15 year old war veteran bf/husband and starting a family was commonplace. It's really our own draconian look at sex and maturity that makes it seem utterly disgusting to be remotely attracted to anyone under the age of 18. It's part culture, part marketing, part archetype, that adds up to the Loli-Warrior. I only hope the next generation can pull a Wesley Crusher and be off exploring the galaxy at an impossibly young age... Without being quite as annoying as the actual Wesley Crusher.

Long live the loli-warrior!

[milranduil]

Despite the fact that the Japanese culture might be very different than what some of you are used to, the racism in this thread is detestable and way over the edge. If you can't accept simply how a culture is, then don't be a part of it, but don't go around bashing it wildly with the biggest hammer you can find. THAT is much worse than a few lolis, IRL or not.

[Typestatic]

What is this I don't even...

[Shinko]

I'm going to get straight to the point. I have a female Loli character. Why? Simple because I want one that's why. I like the idea of my small little female character going around destroying stuff.

It's just that simple. People can take it and turn it into this big he or she is a pedophile thing if they want.

And to OP I can understand you wanting to know why people make Loli characters but hating... Why be a hater? Nothing good comes from hating and makes you look bad. Why hate on others because they think differently from you.

As I always say being a hater is the first step toward a terrible life

[darkante]

I feel like I'm the only one here who hates loli characters. I don't see anything cute about them either. Do they resemble Midgets, annoying tweens, or is it some kind of anonymous pedophilia? I know my reasons are a bit extreme but I think small is only cute when its a puppy. I don't mind short female characters but max shortness looks weird.

I like my hero/heroen to be able to lift more than 5 pounds.

Personally, i dislike them too as it´s not something i would ever want to try out as a figurene..
But i´m ok with it, as it´s not affecting me in any way.

[Overlord Zenon]

i always had the impression different...err races? no were all human but beside the point, each region in the world seems to be matured in a different and diverse way, i dont hate loli nor do i enjoy it really, i just find things interesting from different perspectives

[bupjo]

people paying to play this game should be able to make their character look how ever the hell they want them to look....no matter who it pisses off or who hates them. not up to me to judge another persons reason for making these lolis. but then i never put much thought into the loli thing. i really only notice them when they talk (in games, anime) and they usually have very annoying high pitch voices. other than that, don't really give a damn.

[SolomonGrundy]

Despite the fact that the Japanese culture might be very different than what some of you are used to, the racism in this thread is detestable and way over the edge. If you can't accept simply how a culture is, then don't be a part of it, but don't go around bashing it wildly with the biggest hammer you can find. THAT is much worse than a few lolis, IRL or not.

But culture bashing is the US's largest commidity. Followed closely by cultural adoption.

[Mimo]

I feel like I'm the only one here who hates loli characters. I don't see anything cute about them either. Do they resemble Midgets, annoying tweens, or is it some kind of anonymous pedophilia? I know my reasons are a bit extreme but I think small is only cute when its a puppy. I don't mind short female characters but max shortness looks weird.

I like my hero/heroen to be able to lift more than 5 pounds.

You said in group that you didn't hate Loli, only prefer to not play as one. Why change your mind? ;0

[Titan]

You said in group that you didn't hate Loli, only prefer to not play as one. Why change your mind? ;0

I don't hate people for creating loli's nor do I care if I party with nothing but loli's. I hate the way they look, NOT the people who create them or why they create them.

[Resanoca]

You hate the little peeps? What's wrong with you? jk

[Crysteon]

You hate the little peeps? What's wrong with you? jk

Tedopedo luvs lolis....lynch him!!!

[unicorn]

Actually.

Japs love loli so much cuz Asians have tiny @#$%! and it'll feel better in a tiny #$%&@ than a larger one.

DUH.

[FOkyasuta]

Dude This Is'nt FKL.

[Mimo]

Okay Titan, you hate a lolies appearance, but I never assumed/say you hate ppl who create them...! :s

[Resanoca]

Tedopedo luvs lolis....lynch him!!!I do. ;D But I mean... Who doesn't? D: You'd have to be a loli hater if you didn't. And we all know loli haters are a myth.

[Crysteon]

I do. ;D But I mean... Who doesn't? D: You'd have to be a loli hater if you didn't. And we all know loli haters are a myth.

If I were, I would have BL'd momo, dessa and bobby altogether some time ago, rofl.

[RemiusTA]

I think someone mentioned before, but Puberty isn't a natural thing in japan. Apparently it's only good for extreme changes in time and spiky- haired players of certain children's card games. If you're not a war veteran by 20, you're an assistant to a super-scientist, or a Spirit Detective, or Representative Shinmigami.
Either way, you've seen a lot and are more mature than your average 15 year old.
Back when life expectancy didn't go past 40, getting knocked up at 13 by your 15 year old war veteran bf/husband and starting a family was commonplace. It's really our own draconian look at sex and maturity that makes it seem utterly disgusting to be remotely attracted to anyone under the age of 18. It's part culture, part marketing, part archetype, that adds up to the Loli-Warrior. I only hope the next generation can pull a Wesley Crusher and be off exploring the galaxy at an impossibly young age... Without being quite as annoying as the actual Wesley Crusher.

Long live the loli-warrior!


Utterly disgusting? Oh that's hardly the case. Most of the time i could almost sware it was the other way around -- around the time I got in college you notice to start second-guessing the ages of the females. Mostly because you can be going for one who looks about 18 who's actually 15 or 16.

This is actually quite common, as females usually have a full-grown pair of breasts by 15 years old, and in the grand ol' state of Georgia, these females can have a full-blown body at 15 or even lower. (I couldn't tell freshmen in my High School from the seniors very well physically.) Perhaps it may be a bit different in other countries where they dont spam steroided meats, but not by very much. In AMERICA at least, females mature pretty fucking fast. I've seen MULTIPLE 15-16 year old females i've mistaken for 18-19, or even 20. I RARELY see females over 16 i've mistaken for younger.



To be fair, the models on those posters actually LOOKED no younger than 19 or 20. Lowest i'd settle for was 16. It wouldn't bother me so much if Underaged looking females wern't such a successful marketing sexuality scheme. Alot of odd shit happened in the older ages of lower life expectancy, but i highly doubt they were fucking 13 year-olds. 15 is about the lowest i remember hearing, and that was actually in europe.

I...just dont understand it. 12 year olds are just not sexually attractive. I can understand the schoolgirl fetish (love me some thighs), but the kindergartner/middleschool obsession is kind of fucking wierd.

[Masterflower]

Lol...believe me, you will get used to the japanese lolicon...also with their pantsu complex.

I couldnt agree more with you... I mean jeez, There is like not one show I seen them make that doesnt have a loli and a pantsu shot lol. Personally I dont mind the short characters, as long as we get stuff done, thats all i care about... It would be very rare for me to make a loli character unless I had a reason behind it. Generally I like the late teen look because its not too young and not too old for me. Ill admit, there are a few loli characters from anime shows that I like because of their determination in helping someone or jsut being a very good friend. Lolis can be cute O_o ill give them that

[FOkyasuta]

Only Certain Ones Really.

[Overlord Zenon]

well at least this is proving to be interesting, Personally I dont care if we have loli's or not, their entiteled to play or role play like any other, as long as they keep things diverse and interesting, I dont have problems with them, and I will agree, some are cute

[FOkyasuta]

I will agree, some are cute.

Same Here. =3

[Quatre52]

I have a few short characters, 1 for reasons based on who she was designed after, and for what, at the time, was story/rp reasons.
2nd was a character i made just to help a friend get started(i created a Yuki Nagato, as i was watching haruhi at the time...) she was meant to be deleted after getting my friend some levels, but while doing so, i fell back in love with being a ranger, and kept leveling...

3rd....well, short as can be, but cranberry would kill me if i didnt remade pikachu on PSU..


i really dont see why anyone should care tho, let people design them how they want.
(I do have another character, who is about mid height..maybe slightly under...but i've made him that hight for 10 years...)

[Raven5_1]

wait... just what is people's definition of loli?

in my mind having a tiny character does not instantly mean loli. having a tiny sexually provocative pre pubescent looking female character is

[Shakuri]

Hilarious topic.

Is a 5 ft tall character considered loli? <_>

[Overlord Zenon]

Lolicon (ロリコン?), also romanized as rorikon, is a Japanese portmanteau of the phrase "Lolita complex". In Japan, the term describes an attraction to underage girls, or an individual with such an attraction.

Outside Japan, the term is less common and most often refers to a genre of manga and anime wherein childlike female characters are depicted in an erotic manner.

Source: Wikipedia

[xmoonprismpowerx]

pedophilia :D That's the reason.

[Sinue_v2]

Ironically, while all of my characters are over 5ft 8", fully developed, and rather utilitarian in dress (they are more the antithesis of loli) - three out of four of my characters are intended to be only five years old or younger. Numans in the classic games matured and died in much shorter time periods due to their role as disposable biosoldiers. CASTs aren't tied to physical bodies, so manufacturing date and mental development can't be gauged by their appearance.

My fourth character is a neudaiz weeaboo (from parum) in his early 20's, and a closet maiden fanatic. He would probably be the kind of person to be obsessed with lolis, and would have all kinds of anime, toy statues, pillows, and other shit for all his favorite loli idols. Maybe that was my way of trying to "get in the head of the loli lovers" and understand or connect what the hell the attraction is, I dunno. Didn't work it seems, but at least he's a decent Protranser.


The only "Loli" character I ever had close to having was a FOnewearl in PSO that lasted for all of about five minutes before I killed her off and made my full sized & busty Melee FOnewearl. Loli FOnewearls just didn't look right anyhow... like what you'd expect if the "Grey Aliens" gave up on the alien/human hybrid and started to genetically breed themselves with goats. More creepy than cute.

[Overlord Zenon]

when you put it that way, i think of Nei, she was i think 4 at the start of PSII, but sure as hell didnt look it

[SolomonGrundy]

Ironically, while all of my characters are over 5ft 8", fully developed, and rather utilitarian in dress (they are more the antithesis of loli) - three out of four of my characters are intended to be only five years old or younger. Numans in the classic games matured and died in much shorter time periods due to their role as disposable biosoldiers. CASTs aren't tied to physical bodies, so manufacturing date and mental development can't be gauged by their appearance.

My fourth character is a neudaiz weeaboo (from parum) in his early 20's, and a closet maiden fanatic. He would probably be the kind of person to be obsessed with lolis, and would have all kinds of anime, toy statues, pillows, and other shit for all his favorite loli idols. Maybe that was my way of trying to "get in the head of the loli lovers" and understand or connect what the hell the attraction is, I dunno. Didn't work it seems, but at least he's a decent Protranser.


The only "Loli" character I ever had close to having was a FOnewearl in PSO that lasted for all of about five minutes before I killed her off and made my full sized & busty Melee FOnewearl. Loli FOnewearls just didn't look right anyhow... like what you'd expect if the "Grey Aliens" gave up on the alien/human hybrid and started to genetically breed themselves with goats. More creepy than cute.

Sinue_v2: Though (in-game) historically sound, one could argue this post is a bit...creepy. You always seemed like a prety level headed guy though, so maybe I'm just reading it wrong.

[Sinue_v2]

Sinue_v2: Though (in-game) historically sound, one could argue this post is a bit...creepy. You always seemed like a prety level headed guy though, so maybe I'm just reading it wrong.

Yeah, I know, but I'm the one arguing it though because it was a bit of a surprise to me. I had just never really given much thought to the idea of character ages vs. their physical development in such a contrast before this thread. Never crossed my mind until just then when I realized that my characters actually represent the direct inverse of the scenario to that of the loli-lovers position, and the juxtaposition between the two when I was poking a bit of fun at the knee-high society is (I thought) some clever irony.

Perhaps I just didn't explain fully. I wasn't advocating or defending anything special about those age ranges. Nor do I think of my characters as "5 year olds" in any real measure which translates in any way to real-world 5 year olds. I've always regard my characters to be fully mature in every meaningful sense. Mentally, Physically, Emotionally, Intellectually, etc. Aside from story purposes, their ages are - for all intents and purposes - completely arbitrary to their characters. That's not quite the same scenario with lolis, who's youth and prepubescence is a defining characteristic. Such as Liina Sakuya from PSU. While she is often justified as being older than both Ethan and Laia, she regardless possesses the body of a young child. This draws substantial real-world parallels. Ones in which their validity doesn't depend upon arbitrary values defining a detail, but an integral part of her character design. While it may "Small Beasts" and "Lolis" be reasonable in PSU's unique cosmology; in ours it typically comes across really sounding more like tissue paper justification for peodphilia.

[Raven5_1]

the trick is there is a difference between physical maturity and chronological maturity. chronological maturity is fluid. a clone of a person could look like a 30 year old think like a 30 year old but is only a month old. because of his/her origins and physical maturity chronological age is overlooked. if the Physical maturity of a character is that of a pubescent child red flags all round. it doesn't really matter how old the person is, if looks like a child; do not sexualise

it's why i don't think of Washu in a sexual manner in her child form but in her adult form sure.

[AOI_Tifa_Lockhart]

I do find it a bit worryiing just how many tiny female chars there are on JP PSU, it also fuels the ridiculous pricing of clothing from the GC gacha's it would seem. I'm not a fan of them, they look really silly with most weapons, usually they're so small the weapons are usualy obscured under the floor and carrying larger weapons such as axes, laser cannons or greande launchers just looks really out of place. Still as many have said each to their own, it's true though that overly tall chars look odd too.

Tifa

[xeku]

My take is probably a little different:

My main, Atropos, is really just the continuation of a character I created in 2000 (PSO) - "she" has always been as short as possible. At the time, it was simply a snarky reaction (in good humor) to all of the giant Hucasts that were running about. Nobody was playing RAcaseals, let alone pint-sized versions. Players always got a kick out of her, especially when I whipped out the shotgun. Atropos was my most successful character (levels gained, and rares found), so I've stuck with her over the years. It's been nearly a decade now...crazy.

She is cute I suppose – in the same way I look at a super-deformed model of the Xeku-Eins from the Gundam series (the source of the screen name I’ve used for years), any number of my favorite cars Choro-Q style (think Penny Racers, children of the 80’s) , or my cat….lol!

What really disturbs me is the fact that so many players immediately associate a small female avatar with sexuality, in any form, and then feel the need to comment about it. I mean, really – it says a lot more about the accuser than the accused.

Several (female) friends have commented on this behavior over the years – something along the lines of a male co-worker eye-balling your chest while lamenting about the preponderance of sexual harassment in the workplace. Or say, anti-gay politicians getting caught with young male interns. Oh, really? Now, do tell us how you really feel!

Not suggesting I share this opinion, but it does make you wonder, sometimes…

[Titan]

Every year JP shows the entire server stats and this one in particular is spot on with this topic. This is from February 25th 2010 through July 1st 2010.

Far left chart is height from shortest to tallest and right chart is weight from thinnest to fattest.
It seems rather even across for male weight.
http://imgur.com/XyoLc.jpg

This is no surprise. Far left chart is height from shortest to tallest and right chart is weight from thinnest to fattest.
Loli's beat out every other height by almost twice as much. I wonder if Edward ever saw the US statistics.
http://imgur.com/IpZNx.jpg

source: http://phantasystaruniverse.jp/event/4th_anniversary/report/report001/