Apple Rant

[AOI_Tifa_Lockhart]

Saw this in the news today, I love anti Apple rants. Used them for 5 years in College and Uni, so i know what they're about. Sure you get a nice selection of professional editing software but I leave it at that, there are no other benefits other than that unless you feel it necessary to spend x2 or more amounts on yesterday's technology in some stupid "stylish" packaging. The article contains some facts, soem generalisations etc. Anyways here's the article.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2007/feb/05/comment.media

My fav quotes being:

"Macs are glorified Fisher-Price activity centres for adults; computers for scaredy cats too nervous to learn how proper computers work; computers for people who earnestly believe in feng shui."

"The only way to have fun with a Mac is to poke its insufferable owner in the eye"

"Ultimately the campaign's biggest flaw is that it perpetuates the notion that consumers somehow "define themselves" with the technology they choose. If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your personality, don't bother. You don't have a personality. A mental illness, maybe - but not a personality."


He is scoulding Apple this is true, but my favourite irony was within the comments, by a pro-Apple user. Try and follow his logic...there is none :)

"Apple has many buttons on its supermouse. The one button mouse is a myth invented by Apple detractors. It never existed, and when it did exist, it was better for you"


He needs a definition of existence I believe. Or a joke book.. Supermouse? Is this as pretentious as the Apple in store techniciains? oh i'm sorry they're not called technicians, they're called "Genius" ¬¬

Then followed up by a hypocritical switching of sides haha, for all you Pro-Apple fans who'll probably get a hard on reading his change of heart xD

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/feb/28/charlie-brooker-pfroblem-with-macs


Tifa

[Randomness]

Ugh, one-button mice. I remember those. Absolutely stupid. Though, to be fair, my current mouse has four buttons. I rarely even use the third.

[Palle]

I thought they were fairly entertaining reads. Disagreed with a few points about human weaknesses, but I tend to be a harsh critic.

I'm one of those traitorous sorts who use both OSX and Windows machines for differing applications. I have multiple MBPs but will never own an iPhone or iPad (I don't understand the allure of tablet computing at all). I'm happy with the performance of each at their respective tasks.

Now this goddamn BlackBerry on the other hand... /rageface

[KodiaX987]

<robT> Name ONE thing that your windows comp can do that my MAC cant
<bawss> Right click.

[Retehi]

http://apocalypse-tribe.com/rdfox/bedifferent.jpg

[Kent]

http://www.mulaz.org/spam/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/1251136745346.jpg

[Mike]

http://www.mulaz.org/spam/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/1251136745346.jpg

So would this be iGuitar or iHero?

[Kion]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ih8DsXAZgNM&feature=player_embedded#at=11

I'm glad to see this rant here. I hate Macs with a passion. It's even worse in Japan. Everyone here is computer illiterate and everyone has a mac. While macs are a huge rip off for the price that they do have incredible build quality (except for the palm rest. The sharp aluminum hurts). What I hate is the user interface. I ate it with a passion.

The day my iPhone broke was the happiest day of my life. I was so glad to be rid of that shit. I hate connecting to iTunes. I hated looking like a fucking hipster holding it. And I hated the fucking cat and mouse game of having to jailbreak it every month just to get the basic functions like folders and the ability to change my back ground. When they finally did implement those functions they sucked. Fuck apple. I'm an adroid person. For the people who like Apple they can keep blowing their money on shit for all i care.

[Zarode]

I remember when I first got my iPod Mini. Damn, that thing lasted forever. It was like it was made of Nintendium. Fast forward to the iPhone, and I just ain't that happy with it. I see my friend with his Android phone able to do the same things I can and MORE, and here I am with my jailbroken piece of shit.

Apple has seriously fallen under. They became what they set out to not be. I love irony.


edit: vvv Ahahaha~ vvv

[Kion]

YouTube - Apple Introduces Revolutionary New Laptop With No Keyboard

[Tyreek]

I have an ipod classic. And that's the only product I will own from Apple. Ever.

[Powder Keg]

I have an ipod classic. And that's the only product I will own from Apple. Ever.

Same. iPod is the only thing I like/use.

Aside from that, I can't stand Apple products, their prices, smug marketing & commercials, and worst of all....the Apple fanboys.

Oh, and:
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[Tetsaru]

I don't even have an iPod. I have a Zune. :razz:

And I hated how everyone in the art and music departments at my college insisted upon us using Macs to get our work done. I don't own a Mac, nor do I want to own a Mac. They overprice the hell out of their shit anyway...

Also, this. (http://mvpc.ytmnd.com/)

[washuguy]

Same. iPod is the only thing I like/use.

Aside from that, I can't stand Apple products, their prices, smug marketing & commercials, and worst of all....the Apple fanboys.

Oh, and:
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AGREED... Ipod touch, that's it... It's all about PC. I'll take my chances on the viruses and what not. No right click? PLEASE...

[Seth Astra]

And, somehow, major developers seem to ignore Android as a platform, and opt for the iPhone/iPod touch, but don't realease the stuff on Android.

*Raging*

[Wayu]

The Apple mouse actually does have a right click. You have to press down the right side of the mouse.

The touch pad also has a right click, activated by either pressing down with two fingers and/or clicking the bottom-right corner.

-Wayu

[CupOfCoffee]

Also, this. (http://mvpc.ytmnd.com/)

Oh my god, cannot stop laughing. I have a Mac as my main computer, and I generally prefer OSX to Windows--but that YTMND is priceless and so, so true.

[Kent]

And, somehow, major developers seem to ignore Android as a platform, and opt for the iPhone/iPod touch, but don't realease the stuff on Android.

*Raging*
It's interesting, because despite that Android has really picked up in smartphone market share, there are huge power discrepancies between various models (of which, there are quite a few), thereby making user experience have quite a bit of potential variance, just based on which version of the hardware they use.

Though, if you're interested in having a smartphone as a gaming platform while not buying Apple products at all (which is a healthy thing to do - not buying Apple products at all, that is), you may want to look into Windows Phones. Despite that the platform is but a few months old at the moment, all of the performance-determining hardware is identical between models, and Microsoft seems pretty serious about pitching it as a gaming platform, what with Xbox Live and all of their encouragement among the Creator's Club for making phone games.

[Kion]

"Gaming" on a smartphone is a pretty relative term. There are only a few games that really take advantage of the controls on phones to make a decent game. Most of what I see are people trying to emulate console style games on a touch screen which really doesn't work.

As far a s platform goes, as a developer I can see why apple would be more popular. They have much more consistent hardware, firmware and if people have enough cash to blow on an over glorified vanity devise then they have enough dispensable cash to waste buying shit in the app store. Personally I' waiting to see how the Xperia play changes things.

[Outrider]

Oh my god, cannot stop laughing. I have a Mac as my main computer, and I generally prefer OSX to Windows--but that YTMND is priceless and so, so true.

Well, I'd say it's a little less accurate nowadays, what with the abundance of core games available on Mac from Steam and the App store.

[washuguy]

The Apple mouse actually does have a right click. You have to press down the right side of the mouse.

The touch pad also has a right click, activated by either pressing down with two fingers and/or clicking the bottom-right corner.

-Wayu

To much work ... LOL

[CupOfCoffee]

Well, I'd say it's a little less accurate nowadays, what with the abundance of core games available on Mac from Steam and the App store.

A lot of good games are available for Mac now, yeah, but there's still a pretty noticeable performance hit compared to Windows. I play my games in Boot Camp because in OSX they run like they just woke up with a digital hangover.

Apple is good at advertising, no doubt, but I always thought it was a righteous burn that the PC character was so much more likable than Justin Long in those commercials.

[Kent]

"Gaming" on a smartphone is a pretty relative term. There are only a few games that really take advantage of the controls on phones to make a decent game. Most of what I see are people trying to emulate console style games on a touch screen which really doesn't work.
I can't speak for the majority of the iPhone App Store, but I know that it's only a rather small minority of Windows Phone games actually use virtual gamepads as their controls - it's actually pretty nice, seeing an overwhelming majority of games using more natural (and appropriate) touchscreeen controls, instead of trying to cram console-style games onto the things.

Granted, there are some people who do this, but only in rare circumstances does it actually work well at all, and when it does, I can't help but wonder why they didn't just make a console game instead (though in some cases (http://marketplace.xbox.com/en-US/Product/WP7_ilomilo/66acd000-77fe-1000-9115-D8024D530923), they actually did (http://marketplace.xbox.com/en-US/Product/ilomilo/66acd000-77fe-1000-9115-d80258410a1b)).

[Raikomaru]

Here's a response (assumedly a troll) I read after someone pointed out why PC is better (for reference, the numbered lines are the reasons why PC is better and the pro-Mac response is directly underneath):

>1. More Software
Macs have better software.

>2. More Free Software
Free isn't always good.

>3. More Professional / Paid Software
Macs have all of the essential software.

>4. Gaming/Games
Get a console for games. Computer ain't for gaming. Plus, iPad and iPhone have awesome games.

>5. Better suited towards business and educational use
Not anymore. Mac OS X has enterprise features on par with Windows. Plus, it's easier to use and more intuitive, so it's better for education.

>6. Runs on a wider range of hardware
More choice isn't always better. Macs have awesome hardware. Macbook Pros are better than PC Laptops at same price.

>7. Better drivers
Drivers are soooo 1998. You don't need drivers for Mac.

>8. Costs less
You pay more for good hardware and OS X.

>9. More support available
Plenty people use Macs. You can also get help from the Genius Bar at any Apple Store.

>10. Easier to repair
Apple Care covers you up to years for any damages to your machine.

[Kion]

Wow, that troll is a huge douche. I hate Apple with a passion, but I realize that is a personal opinion. As far as this guy's arguments go; how ignorant can you possibly be?

For the software gaming on both machines. I think it's pretty balanced. Both have a similar library but in terms of things like photoshop and how macs feel the need to open things in dozens of tiny windows drives me up the wall. But mostly the same with an advantage towards windows as there are more users.

Better suited towards business use. I don't have anything to say here. I think it depends on the business. I don't know if there's a mac server edition, but the ability to change the environment language on the fly makes macs nice for international companies. As for viruses; windows definitely has a lot of holes, but macs have been hacked time and time again.

As for hardware Macs are definitely for people who don't know about computers. The systems have above average specs which are then shoved in a shiny aluminum case with an obnoxious glowing apple on the back of it. In terms of specs you can get a i7 laptop with a good graphics card for less than ($1200) what a mac book pro costs. Mac books are definitely well made, but it depends on the application and how much power is needed and how much you can get for your budget. Macs force a one size fits all on consumers.

As for drivers macs do need drivers. Macs just don't spread themselves across a wide arrange of systems and thus the drivers can easily be built right into each build. For the community trying to hack OSX to install on any computer this is actually a problem because there's only a small pool of drivers to pick and choose from.

And lastly easier to repair? For a pc notebook you're really up to the mercy of the manufacturer. A self built; you can easily replace parts. And if apple's warantee is so great why won't they fix my damn iphone?

And I realize writing this here does nothing. Who ever that guy is hit a nerve.

[Blitzkommando]

I don't know if there's a mac server edition
There is, yes. In fact you can get a Mac Mini with it now. OSX 10.7 will come with the server features built in without a separate license like it is right now. That's going to make using a Mac Mini as a small media server even more attractive as that's something I had already considered prior. They're also getting rid of the awful Samba Windows filesharing implementation which should help running OSX and Windows on the same network immensely.

the ability to change the environment language on the fly makes macs nice for international companies
Windows 7 Ultimate (for single users) and Enterprise for large deployments allows such as well.

One thing about Mac laptops though is that they have excellent battery life, albeit at the cost of being rather difficult to replace the battery as the end user. I get around 5-7 hours with my 13" MBP and that's frankly fantastic for a non-netbook. Even the higher end models get rather good battery life and that's certainly a major factor in a mobile computer.

But, yes, both sides are trolling to some extent there. I just enjoy computers as a whole and want to keep up with the technology. That's why I use Windows, Linux, and OSX regularly. There's things I like, and hate, about all three. No denying though that I spend the majority of my time in Windows 7 though.

And, yeah, Apple's Apple Care is rather good but their stock warranties are a bit lackluster on their consumer products. Once you're out of warranty you are SOL, just like any other company.

[Kion]

I'll admit; the mac mini is one of the coolest mini-pc's out there. And the server edition sounds pretty cool.

I ended up buying windows ultimate to be able to change the interface from Japanese to English and back again for school but I didn't mention it because I'm pretty pissed that microsoft holds out on it to try and extract more money from people. With all of the countries windows is used in; that should be a standard feature.


But, yes, both sides are trolling to some extent there. I just enjoy computers as a whole and want to keep up with the technology. That's why I use Windows, Linux, and OSX regularly. There's things I like, and hate, about all three. No denying though that I spend the majority of my time in Windows 7 though.

I agree. While I don't like apple products, I won't discredit that they have a huge impact on consumer electronics. Smart phones and tablets are definitely form factors revolutionized by apple.

As far as platforms, what I'm really interested in is google chrome OS. More over the implications of it. Right now I'm studying media. And being able to use html5 for animation, video, applications and games and then be able to access them from any platform is really amazing. I'll be happy to see when everything has gone cloud and smart phones, notebooks, tv's and game consoles are just thin clients to connect to the internet.

[Kaziel]

Hipsters will be hipsters.

People buy Apple products for 3 reasons:
1 - The brand name
2 - Because they want simple, not robust (this is actually the only valid point)
3 - :-?

Other than that, Apple is pretty laughable. Their main "office" tools come from Microsoft. So much for everything being written & built by Apple. Not to mention MS Office works very well on a Mac (esp. compared to iTunes on Windows LOL)

I will agree that "Micro$oft" is a little grabby with money when it comes to software, but chances are if you work with a Mac, you won't run into these problems "wat iz audit??/"

There's a bigger list, but who cares. Apple arguments are cute.

[Akaimizu]

It really depends on what you want them for. Macs are more of a one time expense, and less of a big expense than people make it out to be. It mainly comes down to whether you are willing to sell your previous apple product. Even old ones sell for relatively high amounts, where a PC product quickly loses all value to the point you pretty much dump the machine.

For me, there's a number of specific software and behaviors that I like on the Mac. The supporting hardware to put it all together is also relatively cheap. I'll admit, I also love Logic Studio, the speedy email application, and how it seems that all those nasty web invasion programs and viruses just seem not to be written against OSX. On the other side of things, I can run all the PC stuff too, so it's like a two computers in one with excellent battery life.

My main office tools, for myself, actually are written by Apple, actually. It's just that I can save off the formats usable by other Office selections.

Not that I have anything against PCs. I have had them, went through their growing pains as well. I do like Windows 7 a lot, and I have it installed in another partition. Logic Studio still is the first professional music studio kit, that I ever had, which never had any abundance of crash issues or driver problems. I push entire orchestras through that thing.

In my experience, of years of using both (many more years on the PC), is that Windows boxes are more akin to running a nice sports car, where the OSX is more like running on a High speed Tank. One is more atuned to some faster stuff (as dictated by Direct X's performance that still trumps the Open GL performance), while the other still maintains that high stability factor. Obviously, in this forum, there's more importance in gaming. In my side, I want the creativity factor. Something which, funny enough, is actually cheaper to get on a Mac. For a lot of folks, it's practically packed in. Hundreds of dollars of stuff you'd have to buy individually on the PC.

[Retehi]

>6. Runs on a wider range of hardware
More choice isn't always better. Macs have awesome hardware. Macbook Pros are better than PC Laptops at same price.

Remember, only what your overlord supplies you is needed. CHOICE IS BAD.

I swear the Apple commercial from 1984 is the picture-esque image of what they are now.

YouTube - 1984 Apple's Macintosh Commercial

[Akaimizu]

Oddly enough, the commercial wasn't really their actual company ways. It was just a thing to talk about try something different. That everybody doesn't have to learn so many underpinings of the computer in order to use a computer.

Oddly enough, the rant about how Apple products for those who want Apple products fall into the less computer-literate thing, by people who don't care for the products, is exactly what the company stood for in the first place. People use it as rants against them, but it does prove that they are following that philosophy and not from the mouths of those people call Apple faithful.

They wanted to create stuff where the person doesn't have to learn how to be a computer to use the computer. The whole idea is to have computers where the user needs not to learn the underpinnings of stuff in order to do major tasks on them. Why the user never needs to even know what a disk cleanup or defragmentation program is. Why they never need to even know what a Task Manager is. Why they never even need to know what a registry is, or DLLs, etc.

Yes, you can do all of that management stuff on a Mac, but it is generally tucked away in such a way that the non-literate user would not generally open up or even feel the need to use them. And unless you're a tweak it all out master, an experienced user would generally leave them alone, as well. Windows have organized a bit more, nowadays, to approach that idea; but that stuff is way more necessary and half tucked away so that the user has to learn where they are.

It is still the first and foremost philosophy. Everything else comes secondary. Of course, for those already thinking like computers, it matters less to them; because all of that maintenance stuff is just programmed into their everyday use. It's of no importance to them. I do have to admit, it is a bit liberating to totally forget about using that stuff, for a while.

Of course, people will argue that this philosophy is stupid and that it will never take off. Apple, of course, believes the market for such a philosophy is huge. Not that the industry has proved it wrong. Why did consoles pretty much take over the gaming market? Same reasons. Sure, they lose configurability, and choices for the technical savvy; but they only need to learn some simple human functions to use them for whatever software they run. Same argument is for iOS products versus Android. People have honest and understandable concerns, either way, but it is still a technical computer knowledge thing versus almost nothing but simple human aspects or *one stop everything* aspects. Less for people to remember and manage.