Kefka vs Mother Trinity

[A. Zerran]

Hello, users. I am going to talk about the God of Destruction from the FF series going up against the so called "Goddess" of Arca. I want you to imagine what the fight will be like.

Kefka's pros-
1. He's the God of Destruction and has the power to destroy a world.
2. He knows every Black Mage spell, and has his own spells, to boot.
3. He has a great sense of humor.
4. He's insane and conjures up things as he goes.
5. He has an awesome theme (Dancing Mad).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uTDwipqshA&feature=related
Note that this is only tier two and three of the song, as well as a fully fledged remix by Oren Productions. I love this part, the most, though.

Kefka's cons-
1.Dresses like a clown.

Thats about it for Kefka. But for Trinity?

MT's pros-
1. Less than a flex of a pinky= LASERS FROM THE SKY!
2.She can conjure up nasty plans.
3. She has an army of heartless beings (such as Zaphobos's and Derro's).
4. She has a scary voice and a heartless personality.
5. She has an epic boss theme.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_dbpjwQ7Oc&feature=related
This is the original, by the way.

MT's cons-
1. She looks a little ridiculous.
2. She's self centered, making her somewhat emotionally weak.
3. She's only a bionic computer. She only got close to godhood. Close, but not quite.

Thats pretty much it. And for you Sephiroth fanboys and girls out there, don't say that Seph is better. Both Kefka and Seph are good, ok?

Lastly, I know this is a Phantasy Star fan site, but other game references every now and then are accepted, right? Anyways, who would win?

[NeonaPulsar]

That depends. Is mother Trinity influenced by Dark Falz?

And for my money, I don't quite argree with Kefkas theme. Can you find the other one with a beat to it? Thats the one i remember.

[Nitro Vordex]

Neither. Olga Flow 4 Lyfe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3AdN80WKXw (http://youtu.be/K3AdN80WKXw)

[Dongra]

Gonna have to agree with Nitro, especially since I don't know much about either of the two.

[RenzokukenZ]

Neither. Olga Flow 4 Lyfe.


Funny how all Flow ever did was fall down a rather deep elevator.

I vote Kefka. At least he actually destroyed to world and reigned over its remains for a year.

[GCoffee]

I vote Kefka. At least he actually destroyed to world and reigned over its remains for a year.

But Mother Trinity released bionic mass destruction weapons onto Earth/Coral to kill off allmost all Humans and to destroy most of the planet's environment, and she made the whole CAST race lose conciousness for a few decades. Then she created biomonsters to get rid of the survivors or to at least keep them from rebuilding their society. And she recreated the Newman race for them to be her always trusting slaves. Not a bad record, either. :wacko:

[Nitro Vordex]

Funny how all Flow ever did was fall down a rather deep elevator.

And then he gained two legs and became like 100 stories tall, and proceeded to stomp shit. A sword the size of a semi-truck attached to his fucking arm is pretty awesome, not to mention he never said anything. He didn't need to. You saw him falling with style down that elevator and you knew you were gonna get your shit wrecked. All those other two bosses did was be pretty. Olga Flow was a badass.

Pros
-Giant sword that was hard to dodge if only because it was enormous.
-Flat laser that was about the same size.
-Could fall upside down and still have great coordination, even for something as tainted and large as him.
-Had small minions that would constantly change attributes so as not to be vulnerable to something for too long of a time.
-Could swing his sword and bring about thousands of light rays to cut people down.
-Could summon thousands of light rays from the sky, known as Heaven's Punisher.
-Could flat out step on his opponents.

Cons
-Somewhat slow due to his mass. Or at least, that's implied.
-Apparently has weak ankles.

I always find that things that destroy an entire planet or race just to rule over it redundant. You would destroy entire continents to only rule maybe 10% of the original population? Kind of lame in my opinion. It's probably not that hard to rule over a planet that just got its shit ruined. Flow poisons and taints because that's pretty much all it knows. Dark Force was like that I believe as well, and Dark Falz too. It was darkness. That's it.

[GCoffee]

not to mention he never said anything.

...You killed red goddess! 8-)

[RenzokukenZ]

But Mother Trinity released bionic mass destruction weapons onto Earth/Coral to kill off allmost all Humans and to destroy most of the planet's environment, and she made the whole CAST race lose conciousness for a few decades. Then she created biomonsters to get rid of the survivors or to at least keep them from rebuilding their society. And she recreated the Newman race for them to be her always trusting slaves. Not a bad record, either. :wacko:

It took her decades to do what Kefka did in moments? lol

And there's one thing you forgot about Flow, Nitro; Epic Boss Track.

EDIT: I thought it was 'you killed my goddess' not 'red' :?

[GCoffee]

It took her decades to do what Kefka did in moments? lol


B-But.... it feels more like an accomplishment then.... Or something like that.....


I think we will never know for sure about what his blathering meant for real Renzokuken. n.n;

[RenzokukenZ]

lol, true.

And I'll give MT credit on one thing. Her actions had some kind of purpose to them, whereas Kefka simply did all that for the lulz. And the whole Godhood thing, but mostly lulz.

[GCoffee]

Plus, Mother Trinity is corrupted by the coolest Falz incarnation yet. :)

[Nitro Vordex]

Oh please, that was garbled as hell and no one cared.

Ninja'd. Oh well.

And yes, his music was awesome.

[Weeaboolits]

Mother Trinity was just a chump malfunctioning robot being manipulated by Dark Falz, also the Phantasy Star Zero version of Dark Falz was far from the coolest, if anything it was the lamest.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ML5cIO9eX8g


Though, I think it'd be more fun to pit him against something closer to his era.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOipoww-H3U

The Profound Darkness was pretty cool guy, threw an entire solar system into chaos over the course of several millennia, including leading one of the system's three inhabitable planets to annihilation.

[Randomness]

Kefka can 2-shot anything though...

[TalHex]

I'd wager that Nyx from Persona 3 could probably stand up to either Mother Trinity or Kefka

[Outrider]

Clearly Kefka.

Because Kefka fought Shadow.

And Shadow is awesome.
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20060215043158/finalfantasy/images/0/0f/Shadow_(Final_Fantasy_VI)_menu.png

[Nitro Vordex]

YouTube - Phantasy Star 4- Ooze (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOipoww-H3U)

The Profound Darkness was pretty cool guy, threw an entire solar system into chaos over the course of several millennia, including leading one of the system's three inhabitable planets to annihilation.
Winner.


Kefka can 2-shot anything though...
And The Profound Darkness could one shot your entire party if it was feeling particularly dickish. Every. Round.

[A. Zerran]

Ok, I'm sorry for not mentioning some things. For the people who don't know, Kefka is from FFVl (Final Fantasy 6).

Neona, I'm sorry for not including the actual Dancing Mad. Here it is. This is the final part of it, by the way. It is otherwise known as "Kefka".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONdHEDeWifs&feature=related
This is the oldest version of part 4.

And finally, yes. I meant to say the Mother Trinity that is possessed by Dark Falz is the one I'm talking about. And I also failed to mention that Kefka is insane, and he has his own army. That includes (in theory) Chocobo experiments.

Now what about what you said Nitro? Tell me more, if you can.

[HAYABUSA-FMW-]

Nitro made a mega factoid post as shown, of course he can say more, but what does he have to expand upon?
His CYOA"RolePlay" probably, gettershitduun round vote endo

[A. Zerran]

Who is Olga Flow? A bad guy/girl, I assume. Or an it. I suppose it's more powerful than MT. But what about Kefka? He has like 4 forms. Look them up on a game play video of FFVl on YouTube, if you can. And Kefka (theoretically) has a bell of destruction. That's right, the Destruction Bell. With 6 rings, the world is doomed. (All theoretical.) While this Olga fellow is huge, can it really match up against Kefka? I'm not saying it will die instantly, but I'd like a response, thats all.

[HAYABUSA-FMW-]

Olga Flow is on youtube too.

Yo, I played that $70 MSRP on the SNES FFVI back when you kids wasn't born yet Final bossin

PSO WORLD

not PSZ PSU PSP2: (∞) Don't copy that symbol HUcast, do your own work world.

Respect the roots.

[HAYABUSA-FMW-]

if you can.

if you can.
Couldn't say for sure if it was "Mean Girls" the first time, then you're rollin' it again so soon!

Pretty threatening in my face! :o

[A. Zerran]

OMG!!! Olga Flow is incredibly huge and powerful! Wow, Nitro. Thats some heavy stuff. Yeah, Olga could kick MT's ass any day. As for Kefka, Olga has a good chance against him. But then after dealing with Kefka, he has to deal with Kefka's tower, then his second form, then his third form, and finally his god form. Thats a lot to deal with, right? I mean Olga is powerful, but Kefka's god form? I don't know...

[Nitro Vordex]

Who is Olga Flow? A bad guy/girl, I assume.Yes and no.
Or an it. There ya go.
But what about Kefka? He has like 4 forms. Look them up on a game play video of FFVl on YouTube, if you can. Multiple forms are overrated, DBZ had shitloads of forms. Olga Flow has two forms, a four legged spider lower half and humanoid upperhalf. His second is mostly humanoid.
And Kefka (theoretically) has a bell of destruction. That's right, the Destruction Bell. With 6 rings, the world is doomed. (All theoretical.) What, only the world? He wouldn't need to destroy anything, he could just infect every living thing and consume it, or even better, mutate it and control it. Probably turn your cowbell into a destroyer of star systems, maybe even galaxies.
While this Olga fellow is huge, can it really match up against Kefka? I'm not saying it will die instantly, but I'd like a response, thats all. I think it was generally agreed that the D-Cells and Falz/Flow were weak to light. However that could be a moot point, as resistances are stupid in PSO sometimes.

You need to keep in mind that Olga Flow is only a certain form that The Dark Force has taken on. The one that Ronin posted was it's third form in Phantasy Star IV. Falz is the form it took in Episode 1 after taking over and mutating Red Ring Rico, who was (allegedly) one of the strongest hunters on Pioneer 1, who was trained and given weapons by Flowen. Flowen ended up getting possessed and then experimented on by Dr. Osto, who wanted to see if he could control them more efficiently in a human, rather than Beta 776(I think that's the number) who is better known as De Rol Le. Flowen mutated and was presumed to have killed or absorbed Dr. Osto and his crew. Flowen became Olga Flow. Here's an excellent picture of his first form.
[spoiler-box]http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/Dark-Kaos/PSO/101_0475.jpg[/spoiler-box]
And his second form.
[spoiler-box]http://i902.photobucket.com/albums/ac221/MasterSpark89/olga4.jpg[/spoiler-box]
To give you an idea of how massive he was, those pillars on the ground are about 2-3 feet taller than your character at max height. He wasn't slow either, since he was mutated from one of the best generals on Pioneer 1.

I would still place my bets on Olga Flow/Dark Force.

Lolninja'd.

[HAYABUSA-FMW-]

http://tetrisuniverse.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/figure-1.png

"O-block"

or 2 x 2 wins.

because in vs vs vs who threads, nobody wins L block stands for LOSE.

[A. Zerran]

I see...and that isn't a cowbell, Nitro. It's a very satanic looking demon colored bell. W/e. Kefka destroys stuff for the hell of it. And he has six wings, if you've noticed from the picture with the first video I posted. Whats more, he can control light, and hence he has his own move called "Light of Judgement". Some kind of "cleansing" light attack. I don't know what to say to that. But the main point of this topic is Kefka vs MT, not vs Olga Flow. I'd like an answer as to how the battle would happen and who would win, not on how Olga Flow is better or anything. Seriously, this topic will go dead if we debate any longer.

[Nitro Vordex]

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/9779/pso1148658008kondpd2b2yu.jpg


You may now ragequit and exit stage left.

[GreenThunder]

I knew there were no votes for MT, so I voted MT.

Go me.

[Tyreek]

I thought Profound Darkness was a female. I guess they were going with the androygenous concept I saw some final bosses attain in old games.

[Randomness]

Winner.


And The Profound Darkness could one shot your entire party if it was feeling particularly dickish. Every. Round.

Well, the contest was Mother Trinity vs. Kefka. (And I've never played the original PS games)

Fortunately, the nature of FFVI is such that it's highly improbable Kefka gets anything after reducing you to 1 HP... before someone pops Curaga.

[A. Zerran]

Very observant of you, Randomness. I remember that trick. But don't forget that Photon Noise (which doesn't effect you at all in-game) Mother Trinity uses while you're fighting her which leads to a subsequent launch of Photon Eraser lasers...which lead to you having like close to 1 HP (all in PS0 of course). And then comes the scary part of dying...until someone pops Alresta. At least thats how I remember my fights with her. Similar cases, similar fights, different fighting styles. But even so, Mother Trinity, to me, is a character that receives my stamp of approval for a 'Proper Villain'.

[Palle]

Respect the roots.

[SPOILER-BOX]Recognize.

http://www.the-nextlevel.com/features/interviews/reiko/reiko13.jpg[/SPOILER-BOX]

[HAYABUSA-FMW-]

[SPOILER-BOX]Recognize.

features/interviews/reiko/reiko13.jpg (http://www.the-nextlevel.com/features/interviews/reiko/reiko13.jpg)[/SPOILER-BOX]

GotNext: You were credited as "Phenix Rie" in a lot of your early works. The other staff, too, often went under pseudonyms. Why was that? How were these names chosen?

Kodama: Back in the day, Sega said we couldn't show our real names, thus everyone went under nicknames in the game credits.
Some kinda, crazy RP!

http://www.the-nextlevel.com/feature/interview-rieko-kodama/

Good read, yo.

Need to read something with Sonic and F1 cars in it, Sonic anime, Puyo ni san shi, buncha PSO, can read this too:

http://www.the-nextlevel.com/features/interviews/yuji-naka/

[A. Zerran]

Some kinda, crazy RP!

http://www.the-nextlevel.com/feature/interview-rieko-kodama/

Good read, yo.

Need to read something with Sonic and F1 cars in it, Sonic anime, Puyo ni san shi, buncha PSO, can read this too:

http://www.the-nextlevel.com/features/interviews/yuji-naka/

...Ok?

[A. Zerran]

All those other two bosses did was be pretty. Olga Flow was a badass.

Ah yes, Nitro. You're totally right about Olga Flow being a badass. But you're wrong about Kefka. He's not really pretty. He didn't "did not do nothing but be pretty". If you look him up on Dissida, his magic will make you turn from "Haha, you're just a clown" to "OH SHIT! HE'S FOR REAL!" But in FFVl, he preformed even more insane attacks then he does in Dissidia. Kefka is seriously a badass in his own respect. And I'm not a fan boy of his at all. I like Kefka, but I also like Olga Flow. Both are badass in their own way. And here's the videos that will show you what I'm talking about. (Oh btw, Terra is actually more powerful than Kefka in a sense. You'll see what I mean.)
Spoiler alert. Do not watch these unless you either are not interested in the game, or have already beaten the game. (Don't say I didn't warned you.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cLFd5ueQPM&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLYe_dgMCX4&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yI7i4UNsDds&feature=related

Now what? Olga Flow can do so many badass things, including wielding a big cool sword, but Kefka can do insane magic. Tell me what you think.

[HAYABUSA-FMW-]

...Ok?
You should click those links.

Certainly have plenty of time to talk about this lopsided vote which probably isn't getting like 8 more votes. Better learn some PSO stuff, figures stolen, Episode 3 C.A.R.D. game Revolution, and more in there.

RPG Sky pirates.

Really, I don't want to hear anymore about Kefka and Mother PSZ.

[HAYABUSA-FMW-]

Also, Kefka has nothing to do with PS series. I mean really. :clown: C'mon now!

[Nitro Vordex]

Since I don't currently have time to watch things flash and beep at the moment, I could do with just descriptions of this magic.

[A. Zerran]

Ok, I'm sorry about including Kefka into this site, but Kefka kicks ass, and MT is second rate compared to him. And Nitro? I'll describe his key magic. He can cast:
Ultima- A huge non-elemental "spacial" implosion that afterwards turns into an explosion. In PSZ terms, this would automatically kill you, or leave you with 1 HP, regardless of armor.

Flare- A series of giant fireballs that combine the elements of fire and light that explode all over the place. In PSZ terms this would put you at 2/4's of your HP unless you got some awesome armor, in which case it shouldn't be that bad if you're lvl 80 or higher.

Stop- Literally stops the flow of time on one person. Stopaga on a group of people. This never misses, even for lvl 100's in PSZ. Fortunately, it would probably wear off and be turned into the Slow status effect within 5 seconds. Or it's just another Slow type attack. You manage that.

Forsaken Null- Static TV balls (XD) that cause serious damage, and it also takes time to heal from it. Can kill unless properly equipped. But in PSZ, heal from it anytime. Lol, this attack is kind of a fail.

Light of Judgement- WILL kill unless on a super high lvl. A ray of cleansing light that comes from the heavens. In PSZ, regardless of armor, if you're on lvl 60 or lower, it will kill you. On lvl 100, you will survive with at least 50 HP or so.

This is my theory and estimations on PSZ terms. Again, sorry for seeming like a total fan boy, but I'm not. And by the way...now that I think about it, Olga Flow kicks Kefka's ass any day, nasty-plan wise. But power wise, they are equal. Unless you're going to tell me that Olga Flow has some sort of secret weapon that can kill Kefka's final god form, which is the size of Olga Flow. I mean seriously, his god form is as big as Olga Flow. W/e. I won't ramble on. This thread will be dead anyway. So yeah. Kefka>Mother Trinity. The majority votes win the ballot of Kefka. Kefka for president. Wee. -_-

[yoshiblue]

i Vote Kefka but i think the Cloud of Darkness would do a better job. Even though she/it/they just want to return everything to the "void". No warriors of darkness there to save you from a partical beam this time around.

[A. Zerran]

Right...Cloud of Darkness... interesting villainess. But a tad...erm...over sexy? I mean...really. Cloud of Darkness would do a better job than Kefka? I wouldn't put it like that...
W/e. Good night.

[yoshiblue]

I was thinking of the lines of destroying things. Ruleing is a different story however. Which is why i vote Kefka.

[Dongra]

As awesome as Olga Flow is, very visually appealing boss, his strength is incredibly disappointing later in the game. He is a massive pushover once your character has good gear, then again all the bosses are. Still he is probably one of the easier bosses to kill, I mean his second form can be killed before he even attacks. The things the player needs to be aware of with Olga Flow are that he can change his weakness, body swap with the player, and avoid his Heaven's Punishment. Despite being a complete pushover in normal mode, I think he was the greatest challenge mode boss in the game. Well, either him or Gal Gryphon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wZujOzkYWM"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wZujOzkYWM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzFYmtCa1Lo

[A. Zerran]

As awesome as Olga Flow is, very visually appealing boss, his strength is incredibly disappointing later in the game. He is a massive pushover once your character has good gear, then again all the bosses are. Still he is probably one of the easier bosses to kill, I mean his second form can be killed before he even attacks. The things the player needs to be aware of with Olga Flow are that he can change his weakness, body swap with the player, and avoid his Heaven's Punishment. Despite being a complete pushover in normal mode, I think he was the greatest challenge mode boss in the game. Well, either him or Gal Gryphon.

...Excuse me? I just stated earlier that this topic is about Kefka vs Mother Trinity. The debate about Olga Flow is over. Any more about Olga Flow or another so called "badass" boss from PSO or PSU or any other game other than PSZ and I'll have to ask for this topic to be closed indefinitely. Enough about Olga Flow! Seriously. You can only choose Kefka or MT. No more talk about Olga Flow! Got it?

[Weeaboolits]

I propose:

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w8/Ronin_Cooper/180px-Zio.jpg Vs. http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w8/Ronin_Cooper/golbez.gif

[A. Zerran]

...Fair trade...? I vote Golbez. I don't even know who that guy on the left is anyway...Phantasy Star 4, I assume.

[Broken_L_button]

...Fair trade...? I vote Golbez. I don't even know who that guy on the left is anyway...Phantasy Star 4, I assume.

If my memory serves, that tall, dark priest in the black garb is Zio. Theodore doesn't stand a chance now.

[Nitro Vordex]

Zio is awesome.

And an asshole.

[A. Zerran]

If my memory serves, that tall, dark priest in the black garb is Zio. Theodore doesn't stand a chance now.

And Zio is from...what? An old Phantasy Star game?

[Broken_L_button]

And Zio is from...what? An old Phantasy Star game?

Precisely. Though, sadly, I can't recall which one of them it was :disapprove:

[Weeaboolits]

Phantasy Star 4

[Palle]

I propose:

http://i464.photobucket.com/albums/rr5/Melohim_Var/chatot.png VS http://www.pokemon-index.com/normal/starly-m.png

[A. Zerran]

I propose:

http://i464.photobucket.com/albums/rr5/Melohim_Var/chatot.png VS http://www.pokemon-index.com/normal/starly-m.png

Ok, this is getting ridiculous. I only accepted Golbez vs Zio because G was FF and Z was PS. I didn't say Pokemon were allowed. Come on...seriously...this topic should probably be closed by now.

[Nitro Vordex]

How about:

http://www.gamerdna.com/uimage/full/megaman_x_x_-jpg.jpg vs. http://www.pureanimegallery.com/d/7403-1/casshern.jpg

[TalHex]

http://www.pso-world.com/forums/images/avatars/sonic-team/puyopuyo-arle_nadja-4.png vs. http://www.pso-world.com/forums/images/avatars/pso-humar/humar-57.jpg

[Randomness]

http://www.pso-world.com/forums/images/avatars/sonic-team/puyopuyo-arle_nadja-4.png vs. http://www.pso-world.com/forums/images/avatars/pso-humar/humar-57.jpg

Ronin wins.

[Broken_L_button]

Ronin wins.

I'm not too sure about that one. Nitro got the glasses and the afro, so that's a pretty huge plus on his side. But then, Ronin is able to take down communist regimes, so yeah...In the end though, http://www.pso-world.com/forums/customavatars/avatar15032_5.gif wins.

[Nitro Vordex]

Ronin wins.
THIS TIME.

[HAYABUSA-FMW-]

How about:

http://www.gamerdna.com/uimage/full/megaman_x_x_-jpg.jpg vs. http://www.pureanimegallery.com/d/7403-1/casshern.jpg

Cash in man vs Cash man?!

Oh you already know what happens. PS3 has no games. But "no games" has a PS3...

[A. Zerran]

-_- is my only response to this. I ask that this topic now be closed. (Now and forever and all that crap you typically hear in fantasy movies and games.)

[Nitro Vordex]

You seem upset about something. What troubles you?

[HAYABUSA-FMW-]

Child psychologist vs all those Kefka votes that we have no idea who voted for that :clown: ?

Nobody wins.

[yoshiblue]

Look at this way A. Zerran, You achieved both who most people thinks is better/would win and a new line of who is better discussions that bring our community closer together.

I apologize on everyones behalf for going off topic.

[Palle]

Kids, those wandering barrelmakers... don't trust 'em. They start trends that can only lead to consternation and heartbreak. Who knows how their fertile minds conceive? You would go mad contemplating it.

[Broken_L_button]

I apologize on everyones behalf for going off topic.

Uhhh...It IS FKL after all. The thread is bound to go off-topic unless it's a quality thread (http://www.pso-world.com/forums/showthread.php?t=186344&highlight=quality).

[HAYABUSA-FMW-]

--and look at that, it was locked for having too much quality!

[Broken_L_button]

Well, like good whine, it had to be locked up in the cellar to mature and acquire the subtle, yet refined taste of quality. Even now, one can still smell its gentle aroma permeating the Landfill.

[Nitro Vordex]

Well, like good whine
We've had plenty of whine in this topic. :wacko: