pop music... you piss me off to no end.

[Kyrith_Ranger_Pso]

It used to be that in order to get noticed in the music industry you had to have talent, not anymore. Now you make it big by pure luck and whoriness. put the word love nto your song a few times and everyone thinks you're soooooo deep. Sing about sex and people love it, sing about your alcohol and crack addictions and everyone thinks you're such a badass. In reality those songs were written by the smart people, the ones behind all that music. They choose someone to be the next big star, get them a recording contract and then 3 years later they're lucky to have a single person listening to them while the writers go on to find their next corporate whore to "sing" about their whoriness or shallow infatuation or whatever other bullshit they can "sing" about to get attention and then get autotuned to take out any sort of chance for a talent to be shown. While musicians with real talent are over-shadowed because their music isn't a shallow piece of bull. So Kesha, Kate Perry, and Justin Bieber, enjoy your shallow fame now because it won't last! "Your" music sucks and your lyrics are generic as can be, so get out and let the good music get attention.

[Nitro Vordex]

Pop musicgood:wacko:

Also Creed, lol.

[Sayara]

good music is all reletive though, right? right? (http://www.pso-world.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2618597&postcount=238)

[Kyrith_Ranger_Pso]

^ no, good sounding music is relative,
@Nitro Vordex, their music is neither auto-tuned, shallow, or written by someone else

[Nitro Vordex]

@Nitro Vordex, their music is neither auto-tuned, shallow, or written by someone else
You forgot to add "good" to that list.

[BIG OLAF]

good music is all reletive though, right? right? (http://www.pso-world.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2618597&postcount=238)

Oh, lord, that song was bad.

Which brings me to my main point, here. Every single person on the planet has a very unique taste in music. Some may have similar likes and dislikes, but no two people all like and dislike the exact same bands/artists. What shapes a human's musical interests throughout life, we'll never fully understand. But, it's best not to argue about music taste. It never ends well.

[Kyrith_Ranger_Pso]

^unique taste is still different than actually good music, i don't really like the sound of stuff stuff that people like Bach or Beethoven wrote because i primarily listen to metal music (yes, I'm aware Creed isn't metal), but it's obviously still good music.

[BIG OLAF]

^unique taste is still different than actually good music, i don't really like the sound of stuff stuff that people like Bach or Beethoven wrote because i primarily listen to metal music (yes, I'm aware Creed isn't metal), but it's obviously still good music.

You're missing the major point. To some people, nails scraping down a chalkboard would be considered "good" music. Your opinion on Katy Perry, Justin Bieber, etc. is completely your own. While, yes, I do agree that their music is uninspired, auto-tuned crap, there are a hell of a lot of other people that think the complete and utter opposite (that they're the best musicians of our time). It's just how humans work.

[Nitro Vordex]

^unique taste is still different than actually good music, i don't really like the sound of stuff stuff that people like Bach or Beethoven wrote because i primarily listen to metal music (yes, I'm aware Creed isn't metal), but it's obviously still good music.
But Creed isn't good music.

[Kyrith_Ranger_Pso]

prove it, why not? because you don't like the sound? well, that's not what defines it. also, you can't be a musician if you don't write or play music

[Nitro Vordex]

prove it, why not? because you don't like the sound? well, that's not what defines it. also, you can't be a musician if you don't write or play music
You just helped your argument of the others being bad. You think they're bad, but once someone thinks your bands are bad, they're wrong?

And singing is being a musician. Singers don't HAVE to play instruments to be musicians.

[Retehi]

Playing penis measuring contests with your music tastes is so 2002.

[Kyrith_Ranger_Pso]

You just helped your argument of the others being bad. You think they're bad, but once someone thinks your bands are bad, they're wrong?

And singing is being a musician. Singers don't HAVE to play instruments to be musicians.

give me a reason you think Creed is bad, and there are lots of bands i don't like that are still good anyway.

[joefro]

Just because someone makes pop music doesn't mean that they can't sing. Many pop singers can sing much better than shitty mainstream rock bands. I don't particularly like pop music but I would rather listen to it than some of these bands: Nickelback, Shinedown, Creed, Seether, etc.

[Nitro Vordex]

give me a reason you think Creed is bad, and there are lots of bands i don't like that are still good anyway.
Every song sounds the same, there's nothing different about them at all. They're not special in any way, they're just another band.

And besides, we, as music lovers as a whole, need pop music so that beautiful abominations can be made, like this:
YouTube - Justin Bieber vs. Slipknot - Psychosocial Baby

Or this:
YouTube - Heavy Weapons Guy - Babyman (pokerface)

And even this:
YouTube - Heavy Weapons Guy - I'm Fire

[Kyrith_Ranger_Pso]

so, you want to tell me that this YouTube - Creed - Ode

sounds like this? YouTube - Creed Freedom Fighter

[Nitro Vordex]

"Suck" is pretty universal, yeah.

[Kyrith_Ranger_Pso]

What you find to sound bad does not define whether or not it is... whether or not you like Creed doesn't matter to me. I don't even listen to them very much, they were a band i listened to primarily as a kid and still like a good deal, thoguh now it doesnt even make my top 5 bands

[Nitro Vordex]

What you find to sound bad does not define whether or not it is...
THEN WHAT'S THE POINT OF THIS TOPIC.

[Kyrith_Ranger_Pso]

I was making a mostly objective argument as to why i hate the current pop singers and the system pop music goes through

[Sinue_v2]

It used to be that in order to get noticed in the music industry you had to have talent.

That's not true, and never has been. Talent is a plus, but was never necessary, since the highly centralized production, advertising, and distribution paradigm of the old recording industry favored luck, looks, and marketability. Talent only got your foot in the door, but after you get signed, you played what the record company wanted you to play... safe bet radio sludge and tailored to target demographics that they could make money on. Only a very few artists had their own sound that could sell on it's own merit.

It's not really any different now, except that it seems that many people genuinely enjoy crap music - since the talent scouts and writers/producers have taken a diminished role to "what's hot on the internet". The same thing happened with the news too... rather than having reporters out there gathering news, they just sit back and wait for what's lighting up the blogosphere - then filter and spin that for mass market distribution.

You can blame the internet for Beiber if you want, but the fact that New Kids on the Block have been "hangin tough" since the pre-internet days pretty much blows your accusation out the water.

YouTube - New Kids On The Block - Hangin Tough Video - High Quality

vs.

YouTube - Skid Row - The Threat

Guess which one still gets more views on YouTube.
(I don't usually like Metal Music these days, but I still have a soft-spot for Skid Row. I know they're not really all that talented - but after their self-titled debut album, they started to move away from the Bon Jovi radio rock and struck out in their own direction. I liked where they were going, personally, and Slave to the Grind/Subhuman Race are still some of my favorite albums. Haven't heard much out of them since then, and really, I just posted the video because fuck you - I think they need to be heard more.)

[Nitro Vordex]

Well let's find the holes in your logic.
It used to be that in order to get noticed in the music industry you had to have talent,
Talent is an opinion formed by the music industry based on what is trending at the time. Currently, it happens to be pop music. Everyone has a different opinion on talent, therefore not being objective. not anymore. Now you make it big by pure luck and whoriness. put the word love nto your song a few times and everyone thinks you're soooooo deep. Sing about sex and people love it, sing about your alcohol and crack addictions and everyone thinks you're such a badass. Um, do you really think that pop music is the only genre that does this? All of you precious metal songs touch on this, some even supporting it. Not to mention a lot of the metals bands have these problems themselves. But it's not even new for metal, or any genre. That kind of subject matter in songs has been around for years. If I remember reading an article correctly, your precious Creed even had to cancel a show because the lead singer was too fucking smashed to even perform, and passed out on stage. So yeah, people are gonna talk about drugs and alcohol in their songs. In reality those songs were written by the smart people, the ones behind all that music. They choose someone to be the next big star, get them a recording contract and then 3 years later they're lucky to have a single person listening to them while the writers go on to find their next corporate whore to "sing" about their whoriness or shallow infatuation or whatever other bullshit they can "sing" about to get attention and then get autotuned to take out any sort of chance for a talent to be shown. Pretty much, year. Trends make money. That's how it goes. While musicians with real talent are over-shadowed because their music isn't a shallow piece of bull. So Kesha, Kate Perry, and Justin Bieber, enjoy your shallow fame now because it won't last! "Your" music sucks and your lyrics are generic as can be, so get out and let the good music get attention.Lyrics stopped being original long ago.

Also you can't tell me you wouldn't absolutely wreck Katy Perry.

[Kyrith_Ranger_Pso]

first of all, talent is not based on a popular trend, it is a level aptitude for something. second of all, Creed is not precious to me like you seem so keen on, i was excited about the new album because i listened to the music as a littler kid and so it was a nostalgia wave, third, sure there is a certain amount of luck to getting a record deal or that kind of thing, but with pop music there is absolutely no real credentials needed for it besides being ok with your music videos being filmed while your half-naked, and 4th i didn't say the lyrics had to be original, i just said they had to be about something that mattered or something the writer was passionate about.

[Sinue_v2]

first of all, talent is not based on a popular trend, it is a level aptitude for something.

If that's the case, then talent should be quantifiable. Measurable. That's well and fine, but if you want to go that route, you need to have some static outside frame of reference by which to measure against. You don't have that in music, art, fashion, etc. Those are dynamic values influenced by variables such as trends and tastes, even outside events like tragedies and social awareness issues. (Patriotism during war time, Racial Discrimination, Christian Revivalism, etc) Even the value of quantifiable criteria, such as technical complexity, mean little if the valuation of how complex a piece is is not highly regarded by individual taste.

What everyone here is trying to tell you, is that talent is relative when it comes to taste and popularity.

Talent is like facism as a general term in that it defies definition - and everyone has their own definition that suits their particular needs and interests. Only a very few gain widespread consensus on being considered talented in a "you'll know it when you see it" scenario. But by those criteria, almost nobody can be considered talented aside from a fleeting few we collectively call legends, who's art transcends taste, time, culture, and genre.

[Kyrith_Ranger_Pso]

you're talking beethoven and the Beetles and stuff right? i guess that kind of makes sense.

[The Last Baron]

Also, I think it's worth nothing that my favorite music is pop music. Here are some songs by some of my favorite bands.

Muse
Muse - Creep

Pearl Jam
Pearl Jam - With Arms Wide Open

Lady Gaga
Madonna - Born This Way

And that's just to get you started!

[Kyrith_Ranger_Pso]

Muse is not pop, it's popular, there's not technically a difference, but in reality there is. and pearl jam? that's grunge

[The Last Baron]

Why you hatin' on my favorite bands? Stop being such a buzzkill? Genres are for total squares btw.

[Kyrith_Ranger_Pso]

I like Muse and pearl Jam though...

[The Last Baron]

Then just sit back and enjoy the music rather than try to classify it. There's no point in bashing one classification, or pitting it against another. When it comes right down to it, you're gonna love what you love. If you can learn to love the experience of listening fully, then you won't feel a need to bash on another type of music for being simply something you don't listen to.

Chill.

[Kyrith_Ranger_Pso]

i was bashing on "pop" because it's a lot easier to say pop than name ever artist i was ranting about each time i said it.

[The Last Baron]

Whoosh

[Kyrith_Ranger_Pso]

and the other reason genres are good i for comparison, such as when you are describing a band to a friend, it's much easier to just say they are "alt. Rock" instead of, they are like *insert obscure band that no one besides the speaker has heard of*

[The Last Baron]

whoosh!!!

[MetaZedlen]

whoosh!!!

Back in my day, trolls were actually GOOD

[Delete]

Katy perry can't sing? I strongly disagree there. Her ET video is one of my favorite songs I've heard recently.Call it auto-tuning or whatever people like to call it, but that songs kicks butt. As well as a handful of songs by her. I don't really care too much for Kesha though and don't even get me started on Justin.

[AOI_Tifa_Lockhart]

I agree whole heartidly, pop music annoys me no end. No actually that's being kind; it infuriates me and makes me want to hit things. The main question being why is it popular? Millions of people genuinely thinking this is good. I've subjected myself multiple times to the most listened to songs on Spotify to see what I was missing out on...well after several hours of musical diarehha I felt extraordinarily angry that this music even exists.

I tend to like songs without lyrics as they shy away from sickening cliches about love, relationships and all the toxic slurry inbetween. I know my wording is melodramatic, but i'd say 60% of the day i'm listening to music, and this'll be anything and everything except the modern attempt at R&B and modern pop music, but apart from that anything goes. So I can't tell why this modern pop music pushes everyone of my angry buttons at once multiple times with a hammer, and seeing their music videos is even more horrific, their self glorification and plastic fantastic sluttyness, I literally despise it all.

Pop several decades ago in the 80's and 90's had some proper classics which could be considered anthems even in this day and age. But nowadays the music industry is a giant co-porate gang bang which is all about the profit. But people nowadays expect more...don't they? Bigger tv's than your previous one, the newest phone, the latest cars. We expect it all to evolve...yet pop music has regressed and people are fine with that? Infact they love and idolize these pop icons....WHHY???

Nowadays with internet and media coverage invading everyones lives anyone can be a musician or artist and with enough effort people can have their little bit of claim to fame. you'd think with so many millions of "artists" there'd be a general evolution and progression? But on the whole it seems to be a quagmire of beige, and if you're beige and unimaginative, strike up a new genre so you're "original".

Just look at that recent youtube sensation, the girl with that supposedly terrible song that she sung and she got millions of views, doesn't this say something? The masses will listen to something countless times, give these people money for their songs...as a joke? Why not just throw your money into a big burning pit for a hilarious gag?

I've heard some of the most dire songs on the radio that will still get played multiple times for weeks on end. "Because I got high" I lost the will to live hearing that song once nevermind the 30+ times after in the SAME WEEK. Or Eminem, has he actually evolved past whinning about his daughter and ex wife yet? Yes relationships tend to suck and people rush pro-creating before they even know who their other half really is, so let's make multiple albums about it because people are stupid enough to read into and relate with him...

However most of these pop acts never last very long (thankfully).

Tifa

[Sayara]

Muse is not pop, it's popular, there's not technically a difference, but in reality there is. and pearl jam? that's grunge

Wait, i always called "pop music" stuff that WAS popular. While the actual genre to a song of like say... Brittany Spears would be dance. or some shtuff

[Outrider]

Is it really that hard to accept that there are always going to be pop artists that see mainstream success that you might not like?

Do people really not understand that the reason people think music is so much better in the past is because either A) they were a kid and didn't know any better, or B) they only know the best music from a given decade because they've listened to greatest hits stations?

It is really that hard to understand that an entire industry - the definition of an industry being that it makes money off of a specific good or service - would be in business to make money for those involved?

Today - just like in the 70s, 80s, or 90s - there are plenty of talented musicians who are in the industry to create great music and sell records. Also - just like in previous decades - there are going to be cheap cash-in musical acts that rely more on spectacle & marketing to succeed instead of musicianship.

Not to mention that there will always be talented musicians that you don't like. In fact, there will be untalented musicians that you enjoy!

Just try and be a little more self-aware, people. Jeez.

[Nitro Vordex]

i was bashing on "pop" because it's a lot easier to say pop than name ever artist i was ranting about each time i said it.

and the other reason genres are good i for comparison, such as when you are describing a band to a friend, it's much easier to just say they are "alt. Rock" instead of, they are like *insert obscure band that no one besides the speaker has heard of*
http://i392.photobucket.com/albums/pp4/Mpix1/missingthepoint.png

[Adriano]

Katy perry can't sing? I strongly disagree there. Her ET video is one of my favorite songs I've heard recently.Call it auto-tuning or whatever people like to call it, but that songs kicks butt. As well as a handful of songs by her. I don't really care too much for Kesha though and don't even get me started on Justin.

Ke$ha has a song called "Harold Song", which until I heard it, I wrote her off as complete rubbish.
I actually actively listen to that song.

Katy has some good ones too. Thinking of you was one of my favorite songs of 2009.


prove it, why not? because you don't like the sound? well, that's not what defines it. also, you can't be a musician if you don't write or play music
Hate to break it to you, but the burden of proof falls on the positive.

[Kyrith_Ranger_Pso]

I agree whole heartidly, pop music annoys me no end. No actually that's being kind; it infuriates me and makes me want to hit things. The main question being why is it popular? Millions of people genuinely thinking this is good. I've subjected myself multiple times to the most listened to songs on Spotify to see what I was missing out on...well after several hours of musical diarehha I felt extraordinarily angry that this music even exists.

I tend to like songs without lyrics as they shy away from sickening cliches about love, relationships and all the toxic slurry inbetween. I know my wording is melodramatic, but i'd say 60% of the day i'm listening to music, and this'll be anything and everything except the modern attempt at R&B and modern pop music, but apart from that anything goes. So I can't tell why this modern pop music pushes everyone of my angry buttons at once multiple times with a hammer, and seeing their music videos is even more horrific, their self glorification and plastic fantastic sluttyness, I literally despise it all.

Pop several decades ago in the 80's and 90's had some proper classics which could be considered anthems even in this day and age. But nowadays the music industry is a giant co-porate gang bang which is all about the profit. But people nowadays expect more...don't they? Bigger tv's than your previous one, the newest phone, the latest cars. We expect it all to evolve...yet pop music has regressed and people are fine with that? Infact they love and idolize these pop icons....WHHY???

Nowadays with internet and media coverage invading everyones lives anyone can be a musician or artist and with enough effort people can have their little bit of claim to fame. you'd think with so many millions of "artists" there'd be a general evolution and progression? But on the whole it seems to be a quagmire of beige, and if you're beige and unimaginative, strike up a new genre so you're "original".

Just look at that recent youtube sensation, the girl with that supposedly terrible song that she sung and she got millions of views, doesn't this say something? The masses will listen to something countless times, give these people money for their songs...as a joke? Why not just throw your money into a big burning pit for a hilarious gag?

I've heard some of the most dire songs on the radio that will still get played multiple times for weeks on end. "Because I got high" I lost the will to live hearing that song once nevermind the 30+ times after in the SAME WEEK. Or Eminem, has he actually evolved past whinning about his daughter and ex wife yet? Yes relationships tend to suck and people rush pro-creating before they even know who their other half really is, so let's make multiple albums about it because people are stupid enough to read into and relate with him...

However most of these pop acts never last very long (thankfully).

Tifa

finally, someone i can agree with. Tolerating this music is pretty much saying it's ok to be a whore and party for the sole purpose of getting frunk or high and then having indiscriminate sex you forget about the next day.

[Adriano]

things
Everything you've said is untrue.
YouTube - Nyan Cat [original]
BAYUM
I dare you to discredit this for it's sheer musical genius.

[Nitro Vordex]

finally, someone i can agree with. Tolerating this music is pretty much saying it's ok to be a whore and party for the sole purpose of getting frunk or high and then having indiscriminate sex you forget about the next day.
I still find it hilarious that you think only pop music does this.

[HAYABUSA-FMW-]

finally, someone i can agree with. Tolerating this music is pretty much saying it's ok to be a whore and party for the sole purpose of getting frunk or high and then having indiscriminate sex you forget about the next day.
Frunk Master Flex.

I think I've heard of him. BUT YOU HAVEN'T

:cool:


-

Those metal guys like parties too. C'mon now.

YouTube - aqua teen hunger force- party party party

[Delete]

finally, someone i can agree with. Tolerating this music is pretty much saying it's ok to be a whore and party for the sole purpose of getting frunk or high and then having indiscriminate sex you forget about the next day.

Im pretty sure Michael Jackson music was considerd pop. Are you saying his music was bad too? Because he was pretty much one of the best singers who ever sung. That was real music unlike half the junk we have today. If theres a genre of music you should bash, it should be rap which I do happen to listen to as well, but a portion of it does annoy me. Really, it seems most rap songs try to get as much swearing as they can into a song these days.

[amtalx]

Umm, what happened to listening to what you like and just STFU about everything else?

[Akaimizu]

Actually, he was dubbed King of Pop for that very reason. Because he wasn't just some produced face on top of the music. He broke out and actually did it all. Great choreography, music, video design, etc. He had a nice voice initially driven by a record company, but then he kind of became that company.

The funniest thing I've seen in modern pop-music is certain pop artists who were ready to discredit Michael Jackson's input and then turn around and sing a song that practically mimicks things right from his style. And on top of that, without the great choreography or inventiveness of a (non-cut and paste) video. Right before doing another song, that kind of sounds like something Prince would so in the 80s.

But pop music is just that. Popular music. For the most part, it generally is produced stuff utilizing a formula that often tries to sound like some other successful song at the time. Companies see patterns that they can bank a good turn-around on, and really push the song by using dollars to get it lots of radioplay. The lots of radio-play make it seem (to people) that it is popular in the hopes they win them over with a little bandwagon formula, in the mix. That's business. That's the harsh reality of it, take it or leave it. You either like what they produce or you don't. If you don't, at least there are other things to listen to.

Though I have to admit, it kind of makes me wish for a *sound searching* era to come back to pop music, like it did back in the 80s. When Prince sounded unique. Michael Jackson had a unique sound. Nobody sounded like Tears for Fears, Devo, Depeche Mode, Ah ha, Hall and Oates, Lionel Richie, etc. Except themselves. When these "featured" folks went out there, you'd never confuse their music with another one. These companies were making great money, and at the same time, were searching for that *unique* sound. All around. It was a lot tougher to find 2 that sounded alike.

[BIG OLAF]

Umm, what happened to listening to what you like and just STFU about everything else?

Because:

Differing opinions = UNBRIDLED RAGE.

That's like Mankind 101 right there.

[MetaZedlen]

Because:

Differing opinions = UNBRIDLED RAGE.

That's like Mankind 101 right there.

This is why PSOW needs a "Like" function

[Sayara]

That could argueably be the worst idea I've ever heard!

[Nitro Vordex]

This is why PSOW needs a "Like" function
PSOBook, this is not!

[Delete]

Though I have to admit, it kind of makes me wish for a *sound searching* era to come back to pop music, like it did back in the 80s.

I was born in 1990, yet upon listening to a ton of 80's music through a bunch of different means (such as my favorite GTA vice city), I 100% totally agree with ya. God I can't even begin to name all the great songs of that era.

[amtalx]

I was born in 1990, yet upon listening to a ton of 80's music through a bunch of different means (such as my favorite GTA vice city), I 100% totally agree with ya. God I can't even begin to name all the great songs of that era.

Really? I grew up in the 80s and I hated it. :p

[The Last Baron]

That's funny because I grew up in the 90s and I love music that came out of it. I also like music that came out of the 00s. I also like music that came out of the 70s.

Man, I just love music, it's certainly not hard to. It's real easy to get caught up throwing hate towards certain styles and time periods, and that in every way detracts from the pure happiness you can experience from just sitting back and listening to music.

It is what it is. A song you love is timeless--it's not just pop or rock or country or whatever. Threads like this don't serve much of a purpose; it's much more constructive to have a thread like "Post music you love" or something like that. I mean, I get it, this is a rant, and it sure is being beat into the ground, sure has earned its place in the Dead Horse Society. Just my two cents is all.

[Kyrith_Ranger_Pso]

thank you people very much, you're the first people I've ever heard argue for pop music with anything other than "all other music is boring", the lot of you win this argument, but I'm glad I'm losing to you and not one of those other people

[Akaimizu]

I was born in 1990, yet upon listening to a ton of 80's music through a bunch of different means (such as my favorite GTA vice city), I 100% totally agree with ya. God I can't even begin to name all the great songs of that era.

Don't get me wrong. There will be people who are fans of various tunes of that era, and some who absolutely hated a lot of tunes. However, what really counted in that argument, is the wild variety of said pop-tunes. I mean, the variance between one group's sound and another group's sound was amazing. So much experimentation by a lot of record companies looking for that "hot" new sound nobody else had.

Yes, there were a number of companies doing similar *glam* stuff; but what was great was that the cookie cutter stuff didn't take over a major capital of the whole industry. They didn't even get much feature in film (other than some forgettable BGM for some scene or two where an amateur band is playing in the background).

However, without that progression of experimental styling in pop-music, there's nothing to grow it. As anything, there are growing pains. Without the 80s, there would be a lot less of what people like now. Nothing to really help the pop-music industry to incoporate a new sound. To get people into something wild and different. A fresh take.

[Orange_Coconut]

Well, unless someone's well-versed in music and can tell what is difficult to do and what is basic, I'm not sure there's much that person can say about the difficulty of the music being played and equate it to being "good".

The fact of the matter is, people will enjoy music for a multitude of reasons. Whether the music is technically well put together or not, people have their own opinions about music. Claiming to dislike an entire genre of music is perfectly fine, don't get me wrong, but trying to defend one's position with claims that have generalized explanations rather than in-depth comprehensive ones won't really go anywhere. Even if someone gets into the technical details of why a particular song, band, singer, or genre is bad it still won't really affect those who enjoy listening to said music.

That being said, everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion. Claiming that any kind of music sucks or is bad is great in terms of being able to express oneself. Unfortunately, many other people express their love for music through the songs or singers that you may despise. The fact of the matter is, even if people understood that the music they enjoy is technically bad music, how would that affect things in the long run? One person would be all flustered because that person despises a genre, a band, an artist, or whatever. On the other hand the person, who now knows why the music he/she listens to is bad, may still continue to like that music because that person wasn't necessarily looking at it in such a mechanical way.

Songs tend to evoke emotions from certain people; whether it be from an artist's voice, the way the instruments interact with one another, the lyrics in any given song, or maybe just the overall composition of the song itself. People could even like a song because they associate past events and memories with such a song. Claiming that one dislikes music because that person looks at music in a particular way is still flawed because not everyone looks at music in the same way.

While I also am not fond of particular bands, singers, styles of music, etc I don't really go beyond "Well, I just don't find X amusing because Y," and I let them know that I have nothing against the fact that others may feel differently. I'm sure plenty of the music I listen to is looked down upon by someone out there claiming that whatever it is that I like is bad for one reason or another. That's great--he/she can keep negatively judging me due to the music I listen to while I continue to not care and enjoy the music anyway.

[HAYABUSA-FMW-]

Really? I grew up in the 80s and I hated it. :p
Gotta admit though, those computer sounds from that era are better than T-Pain and that sorta thing prevalent now.

[Airalean]

Muse is not pop, it's popular, there's not technically a difference, but in reality there is.
http://i.imgur.com/n9Sww.png is not green, it's forest green, theres not technically a difference, but in reality there is.

thank you people very much, you're the first people I've ever heard argue for pop music with anything other than "all other music is boring", the lot of you win this argument, but I'm glad I'm losing to you and not one of those other people
http://i392.photobucket.com/albums/pp4/Mpix1/missingthepoint.png
Mind if I borrow that for a moment?
Thanks you're a doll.


Also you can't tell me you wouldn't absolutely wreck Katy Perry.
I honestly wouldn't.

[Leviathan]

You wouldn't? I implore you to reconsider.

http://www.extravaganzi.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Katy-Perry-Perfume-Purr-ad.jpg

[Nitro Vordex]

Oh dear.

That's a big ball of yarn.

[Airalean]

You wouldn't? I implore you to reconsider.

http://www.extravaganzi.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Katy-Perry-Perfume-Purr-ad.jpg

Thats pretty persuasive, but I'm still not going to hit that. You on the other hand Levi ;3

Where can I get me a ball of yarn like that?

[washuguy]

Katy perry can't sing? I strongly disagree there. Her ET video is one of my favorite songs I've heard recently.Call it auto-tuning or whatever people like to call it, but that songs kicks butt. As well as a handful of songs by her. I don't really care too much for Kesha though and don't even get me started on Justin.

That song is one of the best I've heard in awhile... I don't really listen to that "music" anymore though for several reasons, one being is that it all SUCKS and theres no quality or heart. Music these days is all based on how well you market yourself and how catchy the tune is. It doesn't take much talent anymore. Also, if you look good and can push a message people agree with? Great marketing. Thats all it is, it's not about music, and I don't think it ever was, but the quality of music has definitely declined. You want music? you'll have to dig and wade through the trash...

[BIG OLAF]

That song is one of the best I've heard in awhile... I don't really listen to that "music" anymore though for several reasons, one being is that it all SUCKS and theres no quality or heart. Music these days is all based on how well you market yourself and how catchy the tune is. It doesn't take much talent anymore. Also, if you look good and can push a message people agree with? Great marketing. Thats all it is, it's not about music, and I don't think it ever was, but the quality of music has definitely declined. You want music? you'll have to dig and wade through the trash...

That's why I mostly listen to techno and trance type stuff nowadays. Because there is no theme, no marketing, no "popularity contests". Just music.

[Delete]

You wouldn't? I implore you to reconsider.

http://www.extravaganzi.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Katy-Perry-Perfume-Purr-ad.jpg

Thread just got 100x more interesting. Now where's that "Post your Desktop" thread at lol :P

[washuguy]

That's why I mostly listen to techno and trance type stuff nowadays. Because there is no theme, no marketing, no "popularity contests". Just music.

True that man... I haven't listened to a lot of trance lately, just a few couple songs. Usually I listen to guys like Nujabes and Nomak, real chill relaxing music. Those Japanese producers know music, I tell you... And I like to listen to guys with a message and that are informative like NAK, Jin, Cradle Orchestra, Lupe Fiasco, Bizzle, Bumps INF, ETC. Plus their music is always free so that helps LOL

[redroses]

I currently just hate a lot of the music that you hear one the radio or see on tv.
It all sounds the same with this trend that everything suddenly has to have some electronical sounds because apparently we are in the future and that is why music needs to sound like that now.

And my god, what is with music videos going more and more over the top? Seriously, Lady Gaga, Katy Perry and 30 seconds to mars...wtf to you is all I have to say.

[Outrider]

And my god, what is with music videos going more and more over the top? Seriously, Lady Gaga, Katy Perry and 30 seconds to mars...wtf to you is all I have to say.

I'm sure people said the same thing about Whitesnake back in the day.

[Cisce]

I miss the point where videos were never too over the top.
Why can't videos just be like this? Not too over the top, still hilarious but simple at the same time.

Seriously, I'm not happy with how music is these days, can we please go back another 10 years? Practically everything other than hard rock and Power Metal has been raped.

Please don't let me get started on emo music.

[Kyrith_Ranger_Pso]

oh god how i love Edguy, there one of my top 5, Tobias Sammet is one of my favorite song writers

[Cisce]

oh god how i love Edguy, there one of my top 5, Tobias Sammet is one of my favorite song writers
Nice to know there's another Edguy fan around here, I thought I was the only one. =P

You looking forward to "Ages of the Joker"? I'm hoping from the name it sounds more like the Theater of Salvation and Mandrake era, but I don't really mind what it sounds like :P

[Kyrith_Ranger_Pso]

ive been waiting for the new edguy album for a while, its going to be incredible, you listen to avantasia too? that's toby's other band

[Cisce]

Yep, I love Avantasia :D

Their best song by them for me has to be either Avantasia, Twisted Mind or Dying for an Angel (which has an awesome music video):
YouTube - ‪AVANTASIA - Dying For An Angel (feat. Scorpions' Klaus Meine)‬‏

And as a bonus, forever is a long time: :D
YouTube - ‪Avantasia - Forever Is A Long Time‬‏

[Kyrith_Ranger_Pso]

I'm going to have to say i liked either the Seven Angels or Promised Land

[super_luu]

Nothing is wrong with pop music. Its silly to make yourself hate something because its popular.

Some pop acts are really talented too.

[Ilikelamp7]

Some pop acts are really talented too.

Yes, but they waste all that talent making crappy music. Lady Gaga for example I guess? :-?

[Kyrith_Ranger_Pso]

Nothing is wrong with pop music. Its silly to make yourself hate something because its popular.

Some pop acts are really talented too.

i dont hate it because it's popular, i meant the genre that is related to "pop", I really like Green Day, MCR, The Offspring, and Sixx am, and those are all very popular, i like them because they stand for something, write their own music (yes i know Lady Gaga does this, i just think she's a whore), and have meaning.