How to waste your money

[AOI_Tifa_Lockhart]

The new Apple mac's are here :P here's what £1649 can get you.

3.1GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i5
2560 x 1440 resolution
4GB (two 2GB) memory
1TB hard drive1
AMD Radeon HD 6970M with 1GB

So an i5, yet it's not Sandybridge (the new release) it's the old hardware, which on apples flashy website state all new processors....hmm. 1333 Mhz memory, the slowest DDR3 available. The icing on this turd sandwich being a mobile, yes mobile as in cut down version of a 1 GB graphics card.

OR

The same amount of money could get you:

Hanns.G HZ281HPB 27.5" Widescreen LCD Monitor - Black
Intel Core i7-2600K 3.40GHz (Sandybridge)
Asrock Fatal1ty Intel P67 (Socket 1155) DDR3 Motherboard
Corsair Vengeance 24GB (6x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Triple Channel Kit (CMZ12GX3M3A1600C9)
Asus GeForce GTX 580 DirectCU II 1536MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card
Blu-Ray Drive
600 W Power Supply


New intel series, faster RAM, blu Ray Drive and enough change to get an SSD or HDD of your choice. That's £150 in change and a PC that'd eat that mac for breakfast.

:-?:-?

Tifa

[Canard de Bain]

*Cheers*

[Powder Keg]

And non-upgradeable. Apple doubles the price for like what, 4 more inches of screen size? Anyone who wastes money on that junk is falling for a huge scam.

[Canard de Bain]

And non-upgradeable. Apple doubles the price for like what, 4 more inches of screen size? Anyone who wastes money on that junk is falling for a huge scam.

*Claps*

Look up "Hackintosh."

[MetaZedlen]

And non-upgradeable. Apple doubles the price for like what, 4 more inches of screen size? Anyone who wastes money on that junk is falling for a huge scam.

That's why it's considered hipster garbage.

[Akaimizu]

Though the people most likely to buy it are generally non-computer people. There aren't enough *hipsters* around to fund them that much.

The one thing I will never understand is why does everything PC and Mac have to be a war with people? Let folk be what they are. It's not like them getting what they like impedes on what you like.

Now would I buy the top of the line iMac as shown here? Heck no! But then again, in my opinion, the precise reason for buying said equipment in that line would be for either gaming or rendering projects. Might as well get something more in line with it for cheaper. It's no surprise why it's the portable stuff that's making them the most money nowadays, because less people want to overpay for the high end. On the other hand, some will still buy it because it only really cost them a partial fraction of that cost because people still pay major dollars for used Apple equipment. Good PCs, on the other hand, you can barely sell for $200 after a year or two.

[BIG OLAF]

Any and all Apple products are huge scams. This is not a new revelation.

[Airalean]

And non-upgradeable. Apple doubles the price for like what, 4 more inches of screen size? Anyone who wastes money on that junk is falling for a huge scam.

What? You don't want to pay an extra 500 bucks for a pretty logo on your electronics? Why not?

[MetaZedlen]

What? You don't want to pay an extra 500 bucks for a pretty logo on your electronics? Why not?

I guess it's because some people just aren't as smart as they should be...

[Siyamak]

The one thing I will never understand is why does everything PC and Mac have to be a war with people? Let folk be what they are. It's not like them getting what they like impedes on what you like.

In my case, it would be because I have had to deal with Mac users who think their OS is holier than thou. So it may not impede me with anything important, but it is annoying. The worst part is, it is usually because they aren't used to the GUI of windows that I hear a lot of frustration (I recognize windows users do the same thing going to Macs, but there is a difference I'll bring up in a bit.) Especially from the older generation. Ever heard somebody rant about having two buttons on a touchpads instead of "keeping it easy" with one? About all I can do is stare at them dumbfounded, because ctrl+click basically performs the same function as a right click, that's not "simpler," it's just an alternate method, except it can take two hands instead of one. A better freaking argument for Macs would be that installing is much simpler, because it usually is. But that's not the type of decent rebuttal I normally get.

A great deal of the hardcore Mac brand loyalists I have met don't have any actual knowledge as per how a computer actually works and what goes into it. So it can be very annoying and sometimes infuriating when they prattle on, because there's no shutting them up because they choose to stay ignorant and not look under the hood. It's like talking to a brick wall because if you try to tell them how a computer works, they don't understand because they've never bothered giving themselves any context. So while I can respect an educated decision to pick a Mac, or even something like "I just prefer their interface," I have become rather embittered toward Macs thanks to the hardcore crowd surrounding it.

So I usually secretly cheer inside when typical PCs trump Mac. You don't need to be educated about computer to be a hardcore Mac enthusiast, it's just straight brand loyalty. To really be a hardcore PC user, you do, because you'll be building your own stuff and looking at competing brands for various pieces of hardware and what have you. At the very least, those people are more knowledgeable, damn it. I will admit the casual users on both ends can be pretty dumb. There are just some people who will stick to the latest Dell or HP or whatever, but I haven't had to deal with hearing one or the other stupidly lauded by the masses (usually it's the reverse, telling everyone those brands suck and they need to just build their own.)

[Mantiskilla]

Easier ways to waste money

1. Gamble (guilty as charged here...at least cover the spread OKC geez!)
2. Drugs (if you do you're an idiot)

[Powder Keg]

What? You don't want to pay an extra 500 bucks for a pretty logo on your electronics? Why not?

I guess it's because some people just aren't as smart as they should be...

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Oh, and incredibly large image here, so only linking it.

http://files.sharenator.com/whynottobuyamac_Why_not_to_buy_a_mac-s1440x3297-99916.png

[Firocket1690]

It's bloody 2011, I stopped caring about mac/pc in the 90s.

You're literally opening a thread to start shit for the sole purpose of being difficult.
Seriously? If you don't like it, then don't buy it.

[Blitzkommando]

HannsG monitor as a serious suggestion? Really? There are a multitude of monitors out there that are great. HannsG has never been one of them, just like Acer and Westinghouse. It's a budget-tier monitor running an absolutely horrid panel. If you're going to slight Apple at least cocede that you'd need to buy a monitor similarly capable to the iMacs which both use IPS panels. But, most importantly, the 27" iMac (and Apple Cinema Display) both use 2560x1440 IPS panels, not the utter trash 1920x1080 TN or 1920x1200 TN panels that appear in the vast majority of 27" monitors. I would personally suggest either the Dell Ultrasharp U2711 or NEC PA271w-bk as being comparable and competing products to the 27" iMac or 27" Apple Cinema Display. And, you will note that all of those retail for at least $1000. The monitor is by and far the selling point of the iMac and choosing to compare it to what is an utter subpar product won't win anyone to your argument and it certainly won't show a good argument either.

Finally, the Sandybridge processors do not have triple-channel memory, yet that is the kit you are suggesting. So, I am to buy it and, what, just dump the "extra" 8GB of RAM to the side? The most you can, affordably, get for Sandybridge is 16GB which is hardly shabby but still shy of that monstrous 24GB which is relegated to Socket 1366.

[AOI_Tifa_Lockhart]

hmm I had that hannsG monitor for over a year without any issues whatsoever, sure it didn't have as high a resolution, but I coudln't fault the monitor. i have since bought a 37" TV for my PC and the amount of ghosting and issues i've had are nothing compared to my old monitor. I am considering downsizing back to another HannG monitor as value for money was second to none and I couldn't justify spending an extra £800 for a Dell monitor for a better reoslution.

As for processors, my whole article is value for money hence why Apple is so overpriced for what you get. Sure Sandybridge uses DDR2 but Ivybridge will be using DDR3 and have the benefit of the smooth overclocking Sandybridge currently has, but it's not out yet, thus I suggested Sandybridge as the go between for now.

Tifa

[Blitzkommando]

But it doesn't. Sandybridge uses DDR3 as well. It's not triple-channel, it's dual-channel.

Physical size has little effect on how good a monitor is if you don't factor in the resolution. You can get a 100" monitor but if it's still using 1920x1080 it's going to look utterly horrid. A 27" monitor running 1920x1080 looks utterly terrible, and that's completely negating that it's a TN panel as well which gives horrible color accuracy and banding on top of it being a blocky mess. As I said, the party piece of the iMac is its monitor as that alone is $1000 of the price. To beat that down and say that a budget brand bottom-tier quality monitor is comparable is disingenous at best. Not to mention that the current iMac is in fact running the same Sandybridge you are so lauding. In fact, it's the Core i5 2400 in the top tier model with the others being the 2400S and 2500S though you can also choose the i7 2600. You are basically buying a Sandybridge system mounted to the back of a $1000 monitor for $1700.

You seem to know little of the technology, on either side, and just like yelling to see who will yell back. It's unfortunate when people base their decisions on the loudest mouth and not the one which is best informed. Attack Apple if you wish, but at least choose something worth attacking them over. Their usage of Foxconn and the conditions of the factories in China? Cliche, but definitely valid. Their complete lack of end user modifications, with the latest iMacs using custom SATA interfaces? Definitely, it's very annoying. The MacBook Pro line and how it tends to use the last generation bits like you've been saying (which again isn't true) of the iMac line? Definitely worth mentioning. But at the same time don't moan when someone then points out that Apple, because of the non-replacable batteries in the laptops, has actually gotten 15" and 17" laptops that measure their battery life of 8-12 hours rather than the deporable battery life found in most of the, far cheaper, laptops. Again, there are plenty of things to attack Apple over, as with any company, but use facts and don't just dogpile together other hardware simply because it is cheap as you'll end up paring unmatched bits all together that simply won't work. And don't try building a gaming computer with a crap monitor and then laud how mighty it is in comparison either. The iMac is a consumer computer that happens to have one of the best monitors on the market. It's ideal for photo editing and multimedia. It's not so great at gaming because that's not the target audience. What you're doing is like comparing a tuned sports car to a luxury saloon car both at the same price point and then laughing when the saloon won't beat the sports car on the track. They're different products for different users.

[Powder Keg]

Attack Apple if you wish, but at least choose something worth attacking them over.

No, I really don't think that's something you want to ask for.

[Volcompat321]

I've had my Macbook for over a year now, and love it.
I did NOT pay the original price for it, actually, it was close to free. Definitely worth the price. :P


I will however, say that I love it so much, if it weren't so expensive, I'd buy another in a couple years..

Instead, I let my friend buy the new ones, and I buy his old ones.. This has become the trend... and I'm okay with it.

He just bought a new Macbook Pro, which in a few years, will probably be mine, for a 90% price drop. :wacko:

I love PC, so I just put Windows partitions on my Mac..

[Nitro Vordex]

He just bought a new Macbook Pro, which in a few years, will probably be mine, for a 90% price drop. :wacko:

You mean in two months?

Then he'll buy ANOTHER Macbook, wasting even MORE money.

[SpikeOtacon]

You mean in two months?

Then he'll buy ANOTHER Macbook, wasting even MORE money.

Now you're trying too hard.

[Volcompat321]

You mean in two months?

Then he'll buy ANOTHER Macbook, wasting even MORE money.

Well this kid had his Macbook 3 and a half years before selling it to me...

He's not rich, or that well off to throw away $1200 every couple months..

Now you're trying too hard.

Agreed.

[Nitro Vordex]

Trying too hard to not spend money.

Mac's good if you don't need to upgrade like ever though. Don't know how reliable they are, haven't heard much in terms of them breaking or anything.

[Volcompat321]

Trying too hard to not spend money.

Mac's good if you don't need to upgrade like ever though. Don't know how reliable they are, haven't heard much in terms of them breaking or anything.

The case of mine is breaking, due to y bitch ass sister dropping it... but when talking about software.... it's held up great.

I need a new shell... I should take a pic and show ya.

[Nitro Vordex]

My uncle had a Macbook Air. He told to look at it and hold it for a sec.

Felt like I was gonna break it just by looking at it funny.

[Gunslinger-08]

The only reason I've broken even on my Macbook is that in four years, I've gone through a DVD drive, one head-crashed hard drive and a few cleanup jobs all without having to drop an extra dollar. (Read: Amazing customer service and free repairs and part replacements.)

I like my Macbook well enough, but I don't necessarily think I'd buy it again if I went back in time to when I was choosing a computer for college. I don't love it, but I don't hate it either.

I'm not in some bizarre minority, am I?

[xBladeM6x]

This is more of advice for the future, but is this a good deal? I need it for gaming, and video editing HD clips as fast as possible.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Dell+-+Studio+XPS+Desktop+/+Intel%26%23174%3B+Core%26%23153%3B+i7+Processor+/+8GB+Memory+/+1.5TB+Hard+Drive/2247075.p?id=1218315551929&skuId=2247075&st=i7&cp=1&lp=5

[Firocket1690]

Well, if this has turned into a mildly conversational Apple topic, I feel inclined to post this (http://www.jitouch.com/index.php?page=jitouch)

Oh, dear god, how dare they release such a beautiful piece of tracking hardware and something like this has to be a third party port!? Gestures, letters, and .. honestly, Apple's smart enough to have someone come up with these things; but they hate customization, so I'll leave it at that. Posting from a first gen unibody mbp, and this thing shows no signs of wearing down anytime soon.

[Nitro Vordex]

This is more of advice for the future, but is this a good deal? I need it for gaming, and video editing HD clips as fast as possible.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Dell+-+Studio+XPS+Desktop+/+Intel%26%23174%3B+Core%26%23153%3B+i7+Processor+/+8GB+Memory+/+1.5TB+Hard+Drive/2247075.p?id=1218315551929&skuId=2247075&st=i7&cp=1&lp=5
Nice job on joining this thread with something somewhat unrelated.

I'm already worried because it says Dell on it. I'd say it'd be fine though.